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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post

    To be blunt. The west doesn't give a shit about the Crimea or the Ukraine. Except that the Russians have their fleet docked in Sebastopol.
    Nah its more than that, if Russia gets Crimea it gets a massive area of untapped gas and oil reserves - both under ground and in the new area of sea Russia now has control of. Before the revolution happened there was a massive amount of interest in the area from Exxon and Shell, now Gazprom will get it all. I have a feeling thing is the major reason behind all of this. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...a-9193464.html

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Just another reminder that Crimea was only 'given' to the Ukraine by Kruschev in 1954.
    Just some background on that:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2...al-flash-point

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Obama declares self-determination to be a threat to national security.
    So funny!

    http://survivingeconomicwarfare.blog...ion-to-be.html

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    In an aggressive, provocative and totally vacuous move certain to bring Russia to its knees, sanctions have been imposed.
    Of course the sanctioned - which do not included Putin - likely are insulated from the effects of the sanctions.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...icials.html?hp

    Russia basically dumped all their US Holdings this past week: a whopping $138b. Without an embargo, any more "sanctions" are useless.

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Russia basically dumped all their US Holdings this past week: a whopping $138b. Without an embargo, any more "sanctions" are useless.
    Have you got a link for that? Everything I can find is just speculation, and it seems to have been going on longer than just the last week -- some say three months.

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Have you got a link for that? Everything I can find is just speculation, and it seems to have been going on longer than just the last week -- some say three months.
    A quick search of Russia and US bonds would turn up a lot of hits but this one is the most researched...

    Did Russia Just Dump a Huge Amount of U.S. Government Bonds?

    The EU is the one that is gonna suffer the most from this bind since they are the ones that deal with Russia the most outside of China and Russia would rather deal in Renminbis than US dollars. The EU needs to wake the fuck up and side with the US on economic affairs or they will head into a depression first.

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    A quick search of Russia and US bonds would turn up a lot of hits but this one is the most researched...

    Did Russia Just Dump a Huge Amount of U.S. Government Bonds?

    The EU is the one that is gonna suffer the most from this bind since they are the ones that deal with Russia the most outside of China and Russia would rather deal in Renminbis than US dollars. The EU needs to wake the fuck up and side with the US on economic affairs or they will head into a depression first.
    I notice that a related article gives the results of polls that indicate that Russia would not have won a referendum, even before they started acting like thugs. I looked around and found another that says that an honest vote right now wouldn't even garner them a third of the vote.

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I notice that a related article gives the results of polls that indicate that Russia would not have won a referendum, even before they started acting like thugs. I looked around and found another that says that an honest vote right now wouldn't even garner them a third of the vote.
    The horse has bolted....with ethnic Russians representing some 58 pct of Crimea's population the captioned article's referendum speculation is rather thread bare.....I wander which department wrote this article...the CIA?

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    ^Yes best spies of CIA.....


    leftover from Iraq....

    the blessings of the UN of course ...what hyppocrites could they be!!!

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    American, and European Union sanctions?

    Follow the high profile meeting between Siemens boss Joe Kaeser, and Tsar Vladimir Putin yesterday with the Siemen's executive pledging that his company will continue to invest in Russia.

    At the meeting with Kaeser and Putin was one of the marked men who has been added to the American, and EU travel ban.

    In an interview with the ZDF programme Heute Journal last night, despite aggressive questioning Kaeser was defiant and unrepentant - he smirked all the way through the interview! He also claimed he had informed Chancellor Merkel of his intention to proceed with this long planned meeting. So much for sanctions...for German companies need to sell their products to Russians.

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    In probably the most visible and effective sanction yet, McDonald's has announced that is discontinuing operations in Crimea.

    Further, seriously, Russia has suspended methadone treatment for heroin addiction, saying too much of it ends up on the black market.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...adone-shutdown

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    In probably the most visible and effective sanction yet, McDonald's has announced that is discontinuing operations in Crimea.
    That's good news for the health of the Crimean people....

    Talk about sanctions...that bite.....

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    Re: Ukraine in Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    In probably the most visible and effective sanction yet, McDonald's has announced that is discontinuing operations in Crimea.
    That would work on Americans, but probably not Crimea.

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