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    Women and mentally retarded aren't worth as much as white Republican men

    The "mentally retarded" (at least he didn't call then RETARDS) are worth only $2 per hour in wages: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/2...t-youre-worth/

    Peter Schiff...The CEO of Euro Pacific Capital...claimed that paying workers twice as much would double the cost of some goods – such as fast-food hamburgers...“In a free market, there’s plenty of food for everybody – especially the poor.”...Daily Show correspondent Samantha Bee asked him to identify someone whose work might be worth just $2 an hour.

    “You know someone that might be? Maybe someone who is – what’s the politically correct word, you know, for mentally retarded,” Schiff said. “I believe in the principles this country was founded on.” “I’m not going to say that we’re all created equal,” he said. “You’re worth what you’re worth.”
    ...and women are definitely not as valuable as men.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/2...-theyre-worth/

    Fox News host Martha MacCallum asserted on Wednesday that women did not want special laws ensuring equal for equal work because they already were compensated “exactly what they’re worth.”
    JESUS CHRIST. THESE PEOPLE ARE ENTIRELY FUCKING UN-AMERICAN!!! No, maybe not - "...dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal..." - yes, MEN - why in the hell is a woman advocating unequal wages? Committing the "mentally retarded" (I'll change it to retards, because that's clearly what he WANTED to say) to slave wages is cool and wonderful.

    If I ever vote for a Republican again, for any kind of office, I order somebody to come and kill me...or maybe even torture would be justified.

    OK, neither of these are politicians, and we don't even KNOW the affiliation of the CEO, but Fox Spews is the commercial organ of the Republican Party, and I would probably be fully willing to bet my entire life savings that the CEO votes Republican, if he votes at all.
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    Like this guy said, he doesn't eat at McDonald's. He has no idea of who actually works there. He genuinely believes it's just a bunch of teenagers happy to have some disposable income for maybe an iPhone or something. It's naive and out of touch, but I understand why he opposes raising the minimum wage, and it doesn't make him a total asshole worthy of my seething hatred.

    The Tea Party on the other hand, the middle class who do, at least every now and then, eat out at fast food restaurants, they oppose this? You call the single mother behind the counter a "freeloader" for being on food stamps, but you don't support forcing her company to pay her enough salary for food? STFU. This whole matter has sealed my hatred for the Tea Party in stone.

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    Re: Women and mentally retarded aren't worth as much as white Republican men

    Burgers don't cost anywhere near double in Canada. In fact many cheap food items and coffee were cheaper there, despite the higher minimum wage, and EVEN when counting for the fact that American money was weaker when I visited.

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    Why is everything about money with republicans? They're nothing but a pack of greedy white males who are focused on grabbing power and money and trying their best to ensure no one else gets any.

    I swore off republicans back in the days when Reagan was ruining the country so don't blame me for the inequality we now have from their corrupt policies.

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    GOP, the gift that just keeps on giving.

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    Re: Women and mentally retarded aren't worth as much as white Republican men

    equal pay is such a red herring, though... the gap basically disappears once you account for profession differences, time spent in the workforce, etc.

    otherwise, why would corporations ever hire men in the first place if they could save a buck by hiring a woman to do the same job for less?

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    Why don't we regard the "developmentally disabled" as 3/5 of a person? Whoa! Been there, done that. Never mind.

    ANECDOTE ALERT:
    At the grocery store where I do most of my shopping, there are Downs kids who work there. They're hard workers, courteous and as far as I'm concerned, perform all the tasks that are asked of them. I hope the Republicons who shop at my store aren't too offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Like this guy said, he doesn't eat at McDonald's. He has no idea of who actually works there. He genuinely believes it's just a bunch of teenagers happy to have some disposable income for maybe an iPhone or something. It's naive and out of touch, but I understand why he opposes raising the minimum wage, and it doesn't make him a total asshole worthy of my seething hatred.

    The Tea Party on the other hand, the middle class who do, at least every now and then, eat out at fast food restaurants, they oppose this? You call the single mother behind the counter a "freeloader" for being on food stamps, but you don't support forcing her company to pay her enough salary for food? STFU. This whole matter has sealed my hatred for the Tea Party in stone.
    I asked a buddy who works there, and he said the average age of the workers a McDonalds here is 26. 26! I was shocked. And it used to be higher; a former manager liked having one senior citizen on each shift to provide "ballast" to the atmosphere -- I haven't seen anyone over forty working there for over a year, though.

    But even so, they're hardly all happy and enjoying themselves. They know that on the minimum wage of the time, their parents bought their first cars and more, buying power the minimum wage just doesn't provide now. But they're very good at putting on the happy face while at work -- it's do that or lose the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    .
    Why don't we regard the "developmentally disabled" as 3/5 of a person? Whoa! Been there, done that. Never mind.

    ANECDOTE ALERT:
    At the grocery store where I do most of my shopping, there are Downs kids who work there. They're hard workers, courteous and as far as I'm concerned, perform all the tasks that are asked of them. I hope the Republicons who shop at my store aren't too offended.
    I once got a look inside the Marie Mills Center here, which provides jobs for the developmentally disabled, and it didn't take long to decide that I'd rather have most any of them as a worker with my handyman business than most of the fully-abled teens around.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Liberal live in the greatest economy in the history of the world, and God, how they hate it. They have zero understanding of the way the ecinomy works. Liberals are as selfish as anyone else but they think that businesses exist to give away money until they go broke. Employees should be given what thy need. So if a retarded employee needs $50,000 a year, then of course,, that is what they should be paid.

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    Re: Women and mentally retarded aren't worth as much as white Republican men

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Liberal live in the greatest economy in the history of the world
    They also know that less wealthy countries offer more equal income and sensible healthcare that the U.S. has little excuse for not surpassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Liberal live in the greatest economy in the history of the world, and God, how they hate it. They have zero understanding of the way the ecinomy works. Liberals are as selfish as anyone else but they think that businesses exist to give away money until they go broke. Employees should be given what thy need. So if a retarded employee needs $50,000 a year, then of course,, that is what they should be paid.
    By my math, a salary of $10.10/hr, assuming a forty hour work week, comes to $21,008 a year. Who said anything about a $50,000 annual income?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    By my math, a salary of $10.10/hr, assuming a forty hour work week, comes to $21,008 a year. Who said anything about a $50,000 annual income?
    In before "well if you're earning less than 50k you are a worthless layabout who put yourself there."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    By my math, a salary of $10.10/hr, assuming a forty hour work week, comes to $21,008 a year. Who said anything about a $50,000 annual income?
    You miss the point. Salaries cannot be based primarily on what the employee needs. The 50,000 was just an example. I could have supposed that he needs 100,000 or 250,000. salaries cannot be based primarily on need. And, no, the mentally retarded, or whatever politically correct term is current, are not worth as someone not mentally retarded. Would you leave such a person in a position of management? Would you train him to be the manager?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You miss the point. Salaries cannot be based primarily on what the employee needs. The 50,000 was just an example. I could have supposed that he needs 100,000 or 250,000. salaries cannot be based primarily on need.
    If someone can't survive at all without external support on what you can make in this country working a full time job then don't complain about social services or taxation of high income earners and the wealthy.

    Simple as that.

    No one is compelled to keel over and die or starve to death or freeze to death outdoors because you feel that corporate profit padding or arbitrary reasonless price-point-fixing is to be in no way reflective of paying a fair and reasonable wage.
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    Mental disability comes in many shapes and sizes. You cannot blindly generalize and say anyone with a mental disability is no fit for management. There may be those that are less capable, much like I'm less physically capable of lifting lots of the heavy equipment that my company sometimes needs hauled around, but each of us has qualities and strengths to bring to the table.

    I also believe anyone should be given the chance to shoot for their dreams and achieve them. Man, woman, white, black, gay, straight, mentally- or physically-handicapped or not, doesn't matter. We're all human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AstareGod View Post
    Mental disability comes in many shapes and sizes. You cannot blindly generalize and say anyone with a mental disability is no fit for management. There may be those that are less capable, much like I'm less physically capable of lifting lots of the heavy equipment that my company sometimes needs hauled around, but each of us has qualities and strengths to bring to the table.

    I also believe anyone should be given the chance to shoot for their dreams and achieve them. Man, woman, white, black, gay, straight, mentally- or physically-handicapped or not, doesn't matter. We're all human.
    Again, you are totally focused on what is good for the employee with no regard for the employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, you are totally focused on what is good for the employee with no regard for the employer.
    I wouldn't say that. Diverse workforces can be a huge benefit to employers. After all, happy employees lead to productive employees, lead to higher profits, lead to happy employers. Also, a diverse workforce can bring lots of different experiences, opinions, and viewpoints to the workplace, which can also help. The best worker may not necessarily be a white, Anglo-Saxon protestant in his mid-30s with 2.5 kids.
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    In Australia, the National minimum wage for an adult is $16.37 per hour.

    Plus, Australian's get universal health care, and the employer must pay an additional 12% of a full-time employee's wage into a superannuation fund of the employee's choice.

    The price of a Big Mac in Australia is almost identical to the US price. (AU$4.95 vs US$4.20)

    Remember that the economies of scale in the US are vastly better than in Australia, where we have almost the same land mass to freight goods, but less than 10% of the population.

    So what magical properties in the US will force burger prices to double just because workers get paid a bit more? Why does McDonalds keep selling burgers in Australia if higher wages make business so "unprofitable"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    In Australia, the National minimum wage for an adult is $16.37 per hour.

    Plus, Australian's get universal health care, and the employer must pay an additional 12% of a full-time employee's wage into a superannuation fund of the employee's choice.

    The price of a Big Mac in Australia is almost identical to the US price. (AU$4.95 vs US$4.20)

    Remember that the economies of scale in the US are vastly better than in Australia, where we have almost the same land mass to freight goods, but less than 10% of the population.

    So what magical properties in the US will force burger prices to double just because workers get paid a bit more? Why does McDonalds keep selling burgers in Australia if higher wages make business so "unprofitable"?
    Nothing. American corporations which offer their goods and services in countries like Canada and Australia for comparable prices while paying their employees much better are simply accustomed to pocketing that difference, and don't want to give it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So if a retarded employee needs $50,000 a year, then of course,, that is what they should be paid.
    Well, that's all we need to hear from you to know your values on this matter are nothing short of being a disgusting bigot.
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    Well, that's all we need to hear from you to know your values on this matter are nothing short of being a disgusting bigot.
    You hadn't figured that out by now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstareGod View Post
    Mental disability comes in many shapes and sizes.
    Have we checked the U.S. Congress lately?

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    I have to point this out. I'm 40, which is in the "prime career years / prime voting years" part of life. People my age have political values formed over the last 20 years of their adult lives. When I was 20, I had never met or even heard of anyone trying to make a living in fast food. People worked fast food jobs. I did. Without exception, we all knew this was for pocket cash, and to keep the bills under control when we were going to university.

    If you had said to us "Is this a good chance to finally put something on your resume, get a LITTLE bit of cash for drinks on the weekend, and get a good reference for when you finally go for a real job" we would have all said "Yeah, absolutely." If you had said to us "Should you be able to afford your own place and raise a family on that wage if you did it full time?" we would have all laughed. We'd never met anyone setting out to do that.

    I can think of people busting ass as waiters in restaurants full time, which paid more than fast food especially tips, and even then I remember them doing night school for better career prospects.

    Everybody knew you had a starter job job, then a "real" job. The thing is that actually worked for people's lives. To be specific, because it worked for people's lives, it was fair. That means the political ideas those people have now about the economy are based in an experience they had starting out that they saw as being fair. And it is very hard to judge fairness by someone else's standards, by someone else's experiences. So to make an argument for something different, based on different experiences it is a big job to explain it. But if you want to change votes, that's who you have to explain it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Everybody knew you had a starter job job, then a "real" job. The thing is that actually worked for people's lives. To be specific, because it worked for people's lives, it was fair. That means the political ideas those people have now about the economy are based in an experience they had starting out that they saw as being fair. And it is very hard to judge fairness by someone else's standards, by someone else's experiences. So to make an argument for something different, based on different experiences it is a big job to explain it. But if you want to change votes, that's who you have to explain it to.
    I would think merely the demographics alone of who is working a minimum wage job in the U.S. by itself should put down any discussion from politicians or lawmakers or voters that "it's okay for it to be a sub-living wage, because it's just meant as temporary work for kids and students." The number of them with college degrees bodes rather ill for the state of opportunity in the economy as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Burgers don't cost anywhere near double in Canada. In fact many cheap food items and coffee were cheaper there, despite the higher minimum wage, and EVEN when counting for the fact that American money was weaker when I visited.
    My bad...I meant to make a comment on that part of the quote, and I forgot...
    ...claimed that paying workers twice as much would double the cost of some goods – such as fast-food hamburgers...“
    ...this sounds like a comment from somebody who is ABSOLUTELY 100% CLUELESS ABOUT COST ACCOUNTING. He can get a free pass with his comment, because only a small percentage of people know much about cost accounting. How can a CEO of a money management group know nothing about cost accounting?

    It's not possible. The only other two possibilities is that he is insane...or he is DELIBERATELY LYING.

    A fast food restaurant has franchise fees, costs of food, any combination of rent and/or ownership of the property, maintenance, energy, insurance, and myriad other fixed and flexible costs we're not even aware of. Labor may not be trivial, but it is only a small proportion of all their costs. Only if the fast-food place had the cost of LABOR ONLY, and absolutely no other costs of any kind whatsoever, would doubling the labor costs double the price of the hamburgers and fries.

    Fucking lying asshole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    By my math, a salary of $10.10/hr, assuming a forty hour work week, comes to $21,008 a year. Who said anything about a $50,000 annual income?
    Not to mention that the take-home amount is much lower, because of withholding texes, and the regressive Social Security taxes which is levied on **everything**. (If somebody makes this money, and a CEO makes $173 million, that CEO pays only 5 or 6 times as much Social Security tax, because it stops being levied after the first !110 or $120 thousand or so.)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If someone can't survive at all without external support on what you can make in this country working a full time job then don't complain about social services or taxation of high income earners and the wealthy.
    The solution of these naysayers is simply to starve these people to death, take away food stamps, take away Head Start, take away unemployment insurance, and...wait for it, I expect it to happen...take away the federal law requiring emergency health care for the indigent. Just let these people die. The mooching problem is solved.

    Or throw them into more and more Big Houses throughout the Prison-Industrial Complex which, of course, costs FAR more than just giving somebody a living wage unless your warden is Joe Arpaio...more prisoners = more profit for their CEO's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, you are totally focused on what is good for the employee with no regard for the employer.
    What's good for the employee, is good for America. What's good for the employer, is often good for banks in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, and Singapore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    By my math, a salary of $10.10/hr, assuming a forty hour work week, comes to $21,008 a year. Who said anything about a $50,000 annual income?
    Standard reactionary tactic: when in a corner, make shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    My bad...I meant to make a comment on that part of the quote, and I forgot......this sounds like a comment from somebody who is ABSOLUTELY 100% CLUELESS ABOUT COST ACCOUNTING. He can get a free pass with his comment, because only a small percentage of people know much about cost accounting. How can a CEO of a money management group know nothing about cost accounting?

    It's not possible. The only other two possibilities is that he is insane...or he is DELIBERATELY LYING.
    Absolutely. When you go to Canada-- or Australia--- and see a marginal increase in the cost of the end product, in exchange for a substantially higher minimum wage to the people working to make and serve it to you, there's really only one conclusion: profit margins are higher in the U.S. Costs aren't higher, they're likely lower, labor costs are significantly lower. So where does the difference go? *Crickets chirp* It ain't the employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You miss the point. Salaries cannot be based primarily on what the employee needs. The 50,000 was just an example. I could have supposed that he needs 100,000 or 250,000. salaries cannot be based primarily on need. And, no, the mentally retarded, or whatever politically correct term is current, are not worth as someone not mentally retarded. Would you leave such a person in a position of management? Would you train him to be the manager?
    I've been trying to ignore you, but this is just vile. "The worker is worthy of his hire", the Bible says, and that's true: I've seen "mentally retarded" people at work who were worth far more than many an unimpaired person.

    You can't just pull figures out of the air, which is what you're doing. You're attempting a reductio ad absurdam, but doing so in a way that is itself absurd, and thus turning it into a straw man argument.

    Personally, in most of the jobs I've hired people for, I would consider most of the mentally challenged people I've met as far more qualified than you, because from your record here you could be counted on to insult customers and thus decrease business, while they have been friendly and helpful.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    If someone can't survive at all without external support on what you can make in this country working a full time job then don't complain about social services or taxation of high income earners and the wealthy.

    Simple as that.

    No one is compelled to keel over and die or starve to death or freeze to death outdoors because you feel that corporate profit padding or arbitrary reasonless price-point-fixing is to be in no way reflective of paying a fair and reasonable wage.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, you are totally focused on what is good for the employee with no regard for the employer.
    Looking at the example of Henry Ford, I have to say that your view of the employer-employee relationship is flawed.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Well, that's all we need to hear from you to know your values on this matter are nothing short of being a disgusting bigot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    You hadn't figured that out by now?
    Maybe he's keeping a list of such topics.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I would think merely the demographics alone of who is working a minimum wage job in the U.S. by itself should put down any discussion from politicians or lawmakers or voters that "it's okay for it to be a sub-living wage, because it's just meant as temporary work for kids and students." The number of them with college degrees bodes rather ill for the state of opportunity in the economy as well.
    That, and the situation twenty years before that was different -- people worked minimum wage jobs and got their own places. They weren't great places, but that isn't the point. As for having spending money, when the minimum wage was $3/hr, a guy could bank half of it and have plenty to spend with the rest.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    We watched the interview with him on the Daily Show where he spewed this ignorant bullshit.

    Hopefully he comes in for the avalanche of scorn that he so richly deserves.

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    He is not going to get a shred of scorn from Republicans. NOT AT ALL.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - We need a 28th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution which resembles this...NOW!

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    I've been trying to ignore you, but this is just vile. "The worker is worthy of his hire", the Bible says, and that's true: I've seen "mentally retarded" people at work who were worth far more than many an unimpaired person.

    You can't just pull figures out of the air, which is what you're doing. You're attempting a reductio ad absurdam, but doing so in a way that is itself absurd, and thus turning it into a straw man argument.

    Personally, in most of the jobs I've hired people for, I would consider most of the mentally challenged people I've met as far more qualified than you, because from your record here you could be counted on to insult customers and thus decrease business, while they have been friendly and helpful.
    I can certainly see why you would not think intelligence was an important qualification for employment.

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    I would not recommend any of you liberals for employment. Letting you near the cash register would be in invitation for some wealth redistribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Liberal live in the greatest economy in the history of the world, and God, how they hate it. They have zero understanding of the way the ecinomy works. Liberals are as selfish as anyone else but they think that businesses exist to give away money until they go broke. Employees should be given what thy need. So if a retarded employee needs $50,000 a year, then of course,, that is what they should be paid.
    WTF? Employees should be given what they need? That sounds awfully Marxist to me. ".. to each according to his need". I'll bet in your mind that does not apply to a 1%'er who makes $10,000,000 but only "needs" $150,000.

    So now we know. Benvolio is a closet Marxist of the poor and underprivileged. But the rich? Oh the rich, they should be given whatever they want at everyone else's expense. Now that's capitalism!. The top takes whatever they want while everyone else gets what they "need". I get it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I would not recommend any of you liberals for employment. Letting you near the cash register would be in invitation for some wealth redistribution.
    Letting you near the HR department would invariably end in discrimination lawsuits.

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    Letting you near the HR department would invariably end in discrimination lawsuits.
    He'd be the one to tell the interviewee, "Oh I'm sorry. The only reason I called you back was because your name sounded white."😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    WTF? Employees should be given what they need? That sounds awfully Marxist to me. ".. to each according to his need". I'll bet in your mind that does not apply to a 1%'er who makes $10,000,000 but only "needs" $150,000.

    So now we know. Benvolio is a closet Marxist of the poor and underprivileged. But the rich? Oh the rich, they should be given whatever they want at everyone else's expense. Now that's capitalism!. The top takes whatever they want while everyone else gets what they "need". I get it.
    As always you do not understand. I was, of course, mocking the liberal ideology. And, yes the liberal argument here that employees should be paid what they need is indeed Marxist.

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    so the Palins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    that employees should be paid what they need is indeed Marxist.


    Servants, labourers and workmen of different kinds, make up the far greater part of every great political society. But what improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconvenience to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, clothe, and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, cloathed and lodged. Adam Smith (1776)

    We therefore consider it our duty to reaffirm that the remuneration of work is not something that can be left to the laws of the marketplace; nor should it be a decision left to the will of the more powerful. It must be determined in accordance with justice and equity; which means that workers must be paid a wage which allows them to live a truly human life and to fulfill their family obligations in a worthy manner. Pope John XXIII (1961)

    Hence in every case a just wage is the concrete means of verifying the whole socioeconomic system and, in any case, of checking that it is functioning justly. It is not the only means of checking, but it is a particularly important one and in a sense the key means. Pope John Paul II (1981)

    As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems. Pope Francis (2013)


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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I would think merely the demographics alone of who is working a minimum wage job in the U.S. by itself should put down any discussion from politicians or lawmakers or voters that "it's okay for it to be a sub-living wage, because it's just meant as temporary work for kids and students." The number of them with college degrees bodes rather ill for the state of opportunity in the economy as well.
    Okay that's it exactly, except "merely" implies this will be straightforward. It will actually be a lot of work. Constantly reminding people, beginning every speech telling people it's different now. Otherwise it will generate nothing but blank stares and shrugs of "what's the problem" and even "why should they get an easy ride when I had to work my way up like everyone else?"
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    The Popes do more than any other individuals on earth to increase poverty and suffering. By prohibiting contraception by desperately poor people they increase the numbers of poor and the inabilities of poor to climb out. They think a solution is to encourage their poor to invade the US and encourage US Catholics to give sanctuary. Taking jobs from Americand is of no concern to them. Now we see Catholic "republicans" in congress promoting immigration coinciding with the urging of the US bishops. Your citing of the Popes to me is not at all pursuasive. The Catholic Church has no moral compass. They have religious opinions and expediencies for the church, but morality is largely foreign to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Letting you near the HR department would invariably end in discrimination lawsuits.
    Quoted for truth. I work in HR for an accounting firm owned by two Republicans and Benvolio could not even come close to meeting the standards of our hiring guidelines without making for us a serious lawsuit liability.

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    The party of Lincoln has become the party of Limbaugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    WTF? Employees should be given what they need? That sounds awfully Marxist to me. ".. to each according to his need". I'll bet in your mind that does not apply to a 1%'er who makes $10,000,000 but only "needs" $150,000.

    So now we know. Benvolio is a closet Marxist of the poor and underprivileged. But the rich? Oh the rich, they should be given whatever they want at everyone else's expense. Now that's capitalism!. The top takes whatever they want while everyone else gets what they "need". I get it.
    BEST POST OF THE YEAR, ALREADY!!

    Of course I wonder WHO would oversee the paperwork to ascertain what everybody "needs." The overseer would have complete control over being entirely arbitrary, if he (women need not apply) so chose.
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    It's not just the wages being paid these days..these days going to even a community college can cost you thousands of dollars.
    Between trying to survive on the low wages being given for food,shelter etc not much room for college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I would not recommend any of you liberals for employment. Letting you near the cash register would be in invitation for some wealth redistribution.
    Now you're just trolling. Bigoted posts aside, this one in particular has no merit except to denigrate the professionalism of working individuals on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Now you're just trolling. Bigoted posts aside, this one in particular has no merit except to denigrate the professionalism of working individuals on this forum.
    yes id have to agree with that. more useless garbage from a useless garbage ideology.
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