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    Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    I know the current PC Gay cognoscenti says we should do just what ever we want but Obama says—

    that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

    They are more likely to have behavioural problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.


    Do you reckon Obama is out of touch with what you want?


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    Clearly I can not comprehend what you are trying to say because Mr. Mickey Mouse back in 3rd grade never taught me how to correctly think.

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    What The President is saying is that Dads are Important to Kids!

    I'm thinking TWO Dads would be a Plus!

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Essentially the ideal family is a mother and a father, but the research shows that same sex households do just as well with child rearing. The real issue that the President is trying to address is single parent households, the most common of which are the absent father scenario. Children raised in the generally more stable secure environment of a married two parent household tend to be far better off and happier. About the only real concern I would say in child-rearing in a same sex marriage is the parents should give consideration to ensuring their children get the appropriate exposure to good role models of the opposite gender but that is fairly easily done. In fact it would not be a bad idea in opposite sex marriages since being a blood parent doesn't mean you are the best model for your child.
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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    I'm sure that a reasonably diligent search of the internet would turn up statistics which either prove or disprove the basic facts underlying what O'Bama said.
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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I know the current PC Gay cognoscenti says we should do just what ever we want but Obama says—

    that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

    They are more likely to have behavioural problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.


    Do you reckon Obama is out of touch with what you want?

    Pat, what does the "gay cognoscenti" and their saying " just do what ever we want " have to do with Obama stating a statistic about the increased risk of poverty and criminal activity in families without a father?

    The two don't really go together. I'm not 100% what you're trying to do with this thread, unless you're suggesting the gay cognoscenti mean go spread your seed and don't do anything for the children you create.

    If not then your challenge to the gay cognoscenti in the opening post makes no sense beyond being used as a sledge.

    I'll say what I said the other day when Cory Bernardi stole the speech for his book The Conservative Revolution; "statistics have their place and are a cheap way to fill out an article or speech, but the humanity of the subjects cannot be taken into consideration. To generalise a group - be it gay, single parents, children of merged families - and say "this group is statistically more likely to be criminals or drug addicts while my group is better" is an attempt to dehumanise the particular group."

    Given the sheer amount of idiocy and down right embaressment coming from Australian Tea Party sympathiser Tony Abbott and Cory Berndardi I don't really know why you needed to go overseas for this thread. Bernardi said the same thing - almost exactly - last week.
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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I know the current PC Gay cognoscenti says we should do just what ever we want but Obama says—

    that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

    They are more likely to have behavioural problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.


    Do you reckon Obama is out of touch with what you want?

    I think you're out of touch with thinking. You've got two different topics here that aren't related to each other.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    Pat, what does the "gay cognoscenti" and their saying " just do what ever we want " have to do with Obama stating a statistic about the increased risk of poverty and criminal activity in families without a father?

    The two don't really go together. I'm not 100% what you're trying to do with this thread, unless you're suggesting the gay cognoscenti mean go spread your seed and don't do anything for the children you create.

    If not then your challenge to the gay cognoscenti in the opening post makes no sense beyond being used as a sledge.

    I'll say what I said the other day when Cory Bernardi stole the speech for his book The Conservative Revolution; "statistics have their place and are a cheap way to fill out an article or speech, but the humanity of the subjects cannot be taken into consideration. To generalise a group - be it gay, single parents, children of merged families - and say "this group is statistically more likely to be criminals or drug addicts while my group is better" is an attempt to dehumanise the particular group."

    Given the sheer amount of idiocy and down right embaressment coming from Australian Tea Party sympathiser Tony Abbott and Cory Berndardi I don't really know why you needed to go overseas for this thread. Bernardi said the same thing - almost exactly - last week.
    Maybe gays are supposed to volunteer to be dads for these kids?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Couldn't you take this over to the CE&P forum Pat ?

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Hmm, I grew up without a father (for the most part), and I turned out just fine. Single parents can do a perfectly fine job raising kids.

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Maybe gays are supposed to volunteer to be dads for these kids?
    Pat's a great fan of willful misinterpretation of a particular viewpoint and then throwing ideas at it believing that his fictional interpretation translates into the reality of how anyone else thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Maybe gays are supposed to volunteer to be dads for these kids?
    That's a good idea. But only if they're happy to do so.

    I don't like taxpayers being asked to supply counsellors, police officers to act in place of the parent who deserts the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    That's a good idea. But only if they're happy to do so.

    I don't like taxpayers being asked to supply counsellors, police officers to act in place of the parent who deserts the family.
    What do you prefer, human bondage?

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    What do you prefer...
    I prefer people to take responsibility for themselves. If you can't afford to pay for children for 20 years DON'T make them. And don't expect other people to look after your messes, such as this dingbat—
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I prefer people to take responsibility for themselves. If you can't afford to pay for children for 20 years DON'T make them. And don't expect other people to look after your messes, such as this dingbat—
    http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/12/my-tra...eapon-4260286/
    This is a platitude Pat. This is saying "the world should work this way." It doesn't. There's no way to force it to, either.

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    Re: Do you think Obama is WRONG on this topic?

    I may disagree with a lot that the President says, but in this case, I agree with him. Many children from single parent homes do just fine, however that does not make it ideal. Every legitimate expert on family I have read or heard talk about the importance of the father in the home. As the father goes, so goes the home.

    I agree that people should not have children unless they can afford to support them without taxpayer help, but it doesn't change the fact that babies are born everyday that would not survive without our help. They are the only innocent part of it all. I will always take the side of the children, even when they are brought into the world by careless, unreliable parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    I may disagree with a lot that the President says, but in this case, I agree with him. Many children from single parent homes do just fine, however that does not make it ideal. Every legitimate expert on family I have read or heard talk about the importance of the father in the home. As the father goes, so goes the home.

    I agree that people should not have children unless they can afford to support them without taxpayer help, but it doesn't change the fact that babies are born everyday that would not survive without our help. They are the only innocent part of it all. I will always take the side of the children, even when they are brought into the world by careless, unreliable parents.
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    I had no positive male role model growing up as my dad died when I was very young, and I feel it had a huge negative impact on who I am today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you reckon Obama is out of touch with what you want?
    Yes. So?

    What are you trying to say, Pats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    I had no positive male role model growing up as my dad died when I was very young, and I feel it had a huge negative impact on who I am today.
    Unfortunately there are hardly any men in the school teaching profession any more. The FemeNazis are very good at castrating any young man who's foolish or desperate enough to join the profession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Unfortunately there are hardly any men in the school teaching profession any more. The FemeNazis are very good at castrating any young man who's foolish or desperate enough to join the profession.
    LOL what? And what does this bizarre rant have to do with either what you quoted, or the topic?

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    ^ Lack of male role models in the home and in the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    ^ Lack of male role models in the home and in the school.
    If schoolteaching paid a decent wage you'd see more men competing to get into the field. Teaching still reflects the traditionally large pay disparity between men and women--- and resentful taxpayers like yourself tend to oppose spending more on education.

    Aren't you normally rather infamous for sniping at any topic you don't like by pointing out the "cost" of the solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...Aren't you normally rather infamous for sniping at any topic you don't like by pointing out the "cost" of the solution?
    What's 'infamous' about caring about money and how the manufacturing of yours and my country are being sold off to China?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...Teaching still reflects the traditionally large pay disparity between men and women--..
    Don't you have pay equity yet? We got that years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    What's 'infamous' about caring about money and how the manufacturing of yours and my country are being sold off to China?
    So are you willing to pay more taxes so that teaching is a wage-competitive field?

    Don't you have pay equity yet? We got that years ago.
    Teaching pay in the U.S. is a joke. You really only do it because you want to do it. With the same demanded level of education you could make twice as much doing almost anything else.

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    ...Teaching pay in the U.S. is a joke. You really only do it because you want to do it. With the same demanded level of education you could make twice as much doing almost anything else.
    Unfortunately public education is a joke here. Most parents expect the teachers do do all the parenting. And it's worse when one or both of the parents— as mentioned in Obama's speech at the beginning of this thread— are too lazy or too absent to do the parenting.

    And getting back to the subject of Obama's speech— It the parents did their job of "parenting' their own children, Obama and the administration could balance the debts without have to supply pseudo parents in drug counsellors, truant officers, magistrates , police etc, etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Essentially the ideal family is a mother and a father, but the research shows that same sex households do just as well with child rearing. The real issue that the President is trying to address is single parent households, the most common of which are the absent father scenario. Children raised in the generally more stable secure environment of a married two parent household tend to be far better off and happier. About the only real concern I would say in child-rearing in a same sex marriage is the parents should give consideration to ensuring their children get the appropriate exposure to good role models of the opposite gender but that is fairly easily done. In fact it would not be a bad idea in opposite sex marriages since being a blood parent doesn't mean you are the best model for your child.
    Definitely agree with this... the best anti poverty program is not one run from a bureaucracy but strong family units, communities, commitment to getting an education, gaining some work experience as one is growing up. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, godparents, cousins, even good family friends can be as valuable a role model, and in many cases a better role model, than just a typical mother/ father parental arrangement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I think "natural selection" should be more exclusive.
    Licenses to have children?

    A rational argument can be made that as a species we should move beyond natural selection to rational selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Unfortunately public education is a joke here. Most parents expect the teachers do do all the parenting. And it's worse when one or both of the parents— as mentioned in Obama's speech at the beginning of this thread— are too lazy or too absent to do the parenting.

    And getting back to the subject of Obama's speech— It the parents did their job of "parenting' their own children, Obama and the administration could balance the debts without have to supply pseudo parents in drug counsellors, truant officers, magistrates , police etc, etc, etc.
    So we're back to square one, the impractical... "LIVE YOUR LIVES RIGHT!!!" with no chance for impact on the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Unfortunately there are hardly any men in the school teaching profession any more. The FemeNazis are very good at castrating any young man who's foolish or desperate enough to join the profession.
    "FemeNazis"...?!

    Someone listens to Rush Limbaugh. That explains a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Definitely agree with this... the best anti poverty program is not one run from a bureaucracy but strong family units, communities, commitment to getting an education, gaining some work experience as one is growing up. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, godparents, cousins, even good family friends can be as valuable a role model, and in many cases a better role model, than just a typical mother/ father parental arrangement.
    But what incentives do extended families have for staying so close together these days?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    "FemeNazis"...?!

    Someone listens to Rush Limbaugh. That explains a lot.
    He does use an awful lot of U.S. right-wing talking points for someone who supposedly lives in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    "FemeNazis"...?!

    Someone listens to Rush Limbaugh. That explains a lot.
    Oh, they exist -- and BTW, the term didn't originate with Rush, he just loves it too much, and they're not nearly as pervasive as he would like to believe.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So we're back to square one, the impractical... "LIVE YOUR LIVES RIGHT!!!" …
    So is that saying that you do agree with the President is saying here?


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    So is that saying that you do agree with the President is saying here?
    I am not addressing Obama's speech. I'm addressing your repeated insinuations that there should be no programs for children of broken or impoverished families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I am not addressing Obama's speech. I'm addressing your repeated insinuations that there should be no programs for children of broken or impoverished families.
    I am insinuating nothing of the kind. I am saying that Mr Obama and myself are agreeing that parents should do their own parenting. Not me nor you or all the other JUBbers paying taxes to raise unknown babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I am insinuating nothing of the kind. I am saying that Mr Obama and myself are agreeing that parents should do their own parenting. Not me nor you or all the other JUBbers paying taxes to raise unknown babies.
    There's a difference between supporting conditions that are best for children and families in an ideal case and then

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I don't like taxpayers being asked to supply counsellors, police officers to act in place of the parent who deserts the family.
    Obama supporting/advocating for healthy families and healthy child upbringing is not supporting what you are claiming it is supporting.

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    Just addressing your real point.

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    Mr Obama and myself agree on this real point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Mr Obama and myself agree on this real point.
    Nobody is going to disagree that positive male role models and positive parental figures in the home are better for the child.

    What you've done with this thread is try to turn it into trying to equate anyone agreeing with that to agreeing we should oppose social services. That's why you've titled the thread the way you have. It's a roundabout attempt to claim Obama agrees with your Mr. Scrooge mindset on taxation when that's utterly not what he's saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ... that's utterly not what he's saying.
    He's a politician just like the rest. They say one thing and they mean another.


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