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    Walmart taking advantage of the ACA

    For about the past three years, I've been getting my 'scripts at Walmart. They have a list of generics for $4/ month or $10/ 3 months. Well I just went to renew today, and instead of paying my usual $10 for my tri-month supply, I was presented with a $66 bill. I said that cannot be correct, but they said "As of Jan 1 we have a new list of qualified drugs". Well geeze....what happened on 1/1? That's when the ACA went into effect, of course. Walmart took advantage of that as an excuse to bump up their prices. I told her to pound sand (not life-critical meds, so no big deal). I went on line and discovered a local pharmacy with a price of $30 for 3 months (was $10 previously at W-mart). So not as fabulous as what Walmart once was, but better than paying their new rapacious prices.

    Our Republican 'friends' are gleefully predicting that cost will go up with "ObamaCare" and blame what they ignorantly call socialism, or some such fantasy. It's more accurate to say that the health industry is cashing in, looking for profitable loopholes, and upping costs to the American people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bendted View Post
    For about the past three years, I've been getting my 'scripts at Walmart. They have a list of generics for $4/ month or $10/ 3 months. Well I just went to renew today, and instead of paying my usual $10 for my tri-month supply, I was presented with a $66 bill. I said that cannot be correct, but they said "As of Jan 1 we have a new list of qualified drugs". Well geeze....what happened on 1/1? That's when the ACA went into effect, of course. Walmart took advantage of that as an excuse to bump up their prices. I told her to pound sand (not life-critical meds, so no big deal). I went on line and discovered a local pharmacy with a price of $30 for 3 months (was $10 previously at W-mart). So not as fabulous as what Walmart once was, but better than paying their new rapacious prices.
    You should be able to match the old $4 price at Walgreen's or Kroger or a number of other pharmacies. Many other chains matched the Walmart $4 prices with their own $4 offerings. Shop around.

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    You should be able to match the old $4 price at Walgreen's or Kroger or a number of other pharmacies. Many other chains matched the Walmart $4 prices with their own $4 offerings. Shop around.
    This. Both of those chains will be delighted to pick up all that business.

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    It is astonishing when WalMart decides what meds we should 'have' and which ones we should not. I dont know that they took advantage of the ACA. Correlation does not equal causation. However, they did, as a corporation, decide who should get drugs and who should pay more. So republicans think the ACA is the death panel? You have proof that corporations make those who gets and who doesnt decisions.
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    I do not see any evidence of such decisions about who should get what. Wal-Mart has made a decision about what it should charge for what it sells. I don't think we know yet what effect Obamacare has had on wholesale drug prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    It is astonishing when WalMart decides what meds we should 'have' and which ones we should not. I dont know that they took advantage of the ACA. Correlation does not equal causation. However, they did, as a corporation, decide who should get drugs and who should pay more. So republicans think the ACA is the death panel? You have proof that corporations make those who gets and who doesnt decisions.
    That's a totally asinine assertion. It's entirely possible that the $4 copay program was a loss-leader to get people into their stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That's a totally asinine assertion. It's entirely possible that the $4 copay program was a loss-leader to get people into their stores.

    I wouldn't call him asinine, but yes, Walmart innovated the $4 / 30 day supply and $10 / 90 day supply program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    It is astonishing when WalMart decides what meds we should 'have' and which ones we should not. I dont know that they took advantage of the ACA. Correlation does not equal causation. However, they did, as a corporation, decide who should get drugs and who should pay more. So republicans think the ACA is the death panel? You have proof that corporations make those who gets and who doesnt decisions.
    The $4 prescriptions were generic drugs. The only reason a drug would have its price raised from that would be if it ceased to be generic by becoming proprietary again. That wouldn't happen without a court battle, which would have been in the news. Thus the simplest conclusion is that Walmart is being (once again) nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That's a totally asinine assertion. It's entirely possible that the $4 copay program was a loss-leader to get people into their stores.
    But it's demonstrated by the fact that their competitors picked up the same system that it was a very effective loss leader. The only reason they'd stop is if they consider their customers such slaves to habit that they'll just keep shopping at Walmart with the prices high again, or that they're taking advantage of the situation to soak those customers -- or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That's a totally asinine assertion. It's entirely possible that the $4 copay program was a loss-leader to get people into their stores.
    Now that's a totally asinine assertion.

    If you think Wal*Mart doesn't do everything it can to maximize profits then you don't know that company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Now that's a totally asinine assertion.

    If you think Wal*Mart doesn't do everything it can to maximize profits then you don't know that company.
    Yeah that's not the way Wal*Mart works. More like strongarm their wholesalers into selling to them at a loss, like they did with dairy farmers, and make it come out of their end, not Wal*Mart's.

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    Yeah that's not the way Wal*Mart works. More like strongarm their wholesalers into selling to them at a loss, like they did with dairy farmers, and make it come out of their end, not Wal*Mart's.
    And pay their employees as little as they can so they can rocket as much money to Bentonville as possible.

    And cutting payroll so fewer people do more work.

    And firing managers at a rapid pace of they don't meet profit quotas.

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    And pay their employees as little as they can so they can rocket as much money to Bentonville as possible.

    And cutting payroll so fewer people do more work.

    And firing managers at a rapid pace of they don't meet profit quotas.
    And actually having the audacity after intentionally scheduling and paying many of their employees to the point where they would qualify for government aid programs, to encourage those employees to go get the rest of their compensation from the government, while supporting Republican policies.

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    And actually having the audacity after intentionally scheduling and paying many of their employees to the point where they would qualify for government aid programs, to encourage those employees to go get the rest of their compensation from the government, while supporting Republican policies.
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    9 Alice Walton
    10 R. Robson Walton

    Four of the richest Americans are Sam Walton's offspring. Their billions was handed to them. They have enough and don't need to exploit a million Americans so they can have more. Seven of the people on the list are the worst sociopaths in the world.


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    Walmart plans are better than Obamcare.

    [url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/surprise-walmart-health-plan-is-cheaper-offers-more-coverage-than-obamacare/article/2541670?utm_campaign=Fox[/url] News&utm_source=foxnews.com&utm_medium=feed



    New Obamacare health insurance enrollees may feel a pang of envy when they eye the coverage plans offered by Walmart to its employees.

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    I would have to be darned desperate to shop at Wal*Mart. I hope that day never comes.

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    Walmart plans are better than Obamcare.

    [url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/surprise-walmart-health-plan-is-cheaper-offers-more-coverage-than-obamacare/article/2541670?utm_campaign=Fox[/url] News&utm_source=foxnews.com&utm_medium=feed[/url]


    New Obamacare health insurance enrollees may feel a pang of envy when they eye the coverage plans offered by Walmart to its employees.
    If you look at the deductibles, the only real difference is that Walmart employees only have to spend two months of their income on the deductible before they can actually benefit, while the other takes three months' worth of income.

    In other words, it's a nice, shiny toy, but batteries aren't included....
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    I would have to be darned desperate to shop at Wal*Mart. I hope that day never comes.
    I haven't been in a Wal*Mart for years.

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    Unfortunately, there are people who have to shop at Wal-Mart. Unfortunately, there are people who have to work at Wal-Mart. I wish that corporations would put employees before profits, but that is not the way here in the U.S. That is, that this practice isn"t going to happen until No one can even afford to shop at Wal-Mart anymore, and the Mega-Retailers go out of business. Do you know where your local farmer's Market is? You are going t need it when the Republican Teaparty manages to crash our economy.
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    Because drug companies are inherently evil for trying to profit from people's illness, Obamacare imposes new taxes on many drugs.http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ation-n1657531
    No doubt part of the reason drug prices are going up is the result of this tax. The evil inventors and developers of medical devices to help the sick are also going to pay a special tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm98059 View Post
    Unfortunately, there are people who have to shop at Wal-Mart. Unfortunately, there are people who have to work at Wal-Mart. I wish that corporations would put employees before profits, but that is not the way here in the U.S. That is, that this practice isn"t going to happen until No one can even afford to shop at Wal-Mart anymore, and the Mega-Retailers go out of business. Do you know where your local farmer's Market is? You are going t need it when the Republican Teaparty manages to crash our economy.
    Companies which put people before profits go broke. Why would any one start a company except to make profits? A company started to eschew profits would die aborning. Profits have to be more important than people. Without profits, we would all be back living in one room hovels like our ancestors.

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    Four of the richest Americans are Sam Walton's offspring. Their billions was handed to them. They have enough and don't need to exploit a million Americans so they can have more. Seven of the people on the list are the worst sociopaths in the world.


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    Wealth-envy is such an ugly thing.
    What's ugly is someone defending a group of sociopaths who were handed billions and are exploiting millions of Americans so they can have even more. They're exploiting by not paying their employees a living wage, exploiting by not giving their employees health care so they have to rely on taxpayer funded Medicaid. All so the offspring of Sam Walton can have even more.

    And there are some people who admire and defend these parasites because they have wealth. They didn't earn it. That's ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Companies which put people before profits go broke. Why would any one start a company except to make profits? A company started to eschew profits would die aborning. Profits have to be more important than people. Without profits, we would all be back living in one room hovels like our ancestors.
    Monopolistic methods used in order to lower prices is neither capitalism nor ethical. Wal*Mart has done this with dairy producers, for example, where they became the sole purchaser and distributor over very wide areas of individual dairy farmers, and they demanded that they lower their selling price to below cost and seek government subsidy for the difference or else they would leave them in the lurch without a purchaser.

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    Monopolistic methods used in order to lower prices is neither capitalism nor ethical. Wal*Mart has done this with dairy producers, for example, where they became the sole purchaser and distributor over very wide areas of individual dairy farmers, and they demanded that they lower their selling price to below cost and seek government subsidy for the difference or else they would leave them in the lurch without a purchaser.
    Sounds like a good attempt to monopolize suit against WM if were true. Section2 of the Sherman Act. 15 USC sec2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Sounds like a good attempt to monopolize suit against WM if were true. Section2 of the Sherman Act. 15 USC sec2.
    They did form a lawsuit over it. It was years ago though and I didn't keep up on it.

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    . They're exploiting by not paying their employees a living wage, exploiting by not giving their employees health care so they have to rely on taxpayer funded Medicaid. .
    Walmart pays its employees whatever the jobs are worth, and said employees don't have to take those jobs.
    As for healthcare, we've already demonstrated that Walmart offers health insurance that is better than the ACA.

    Your wealth- and class-envy is pathetic. If you envy wealth so much, why don't you go out and get a better paying job.
    Even in the middle of the Obama Recession, there are jobs available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Walmart pays its employees whatever the jobs are worth, and said employees don't have to take those jobs.
    That's a completely hollow statement when Wal*Mart might have displaced every other retail employer within a wide radius after opening. No real competition for better wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Walmart pays its employees whatever the jobs are worth, and said employees don't have to take those jobs.
    As for healthcare, we've already demonstrated that Walmart offers health insurance that is better than the ACA.

    Your wealth- and class-envy is pathetic. If you envy wealth so much, why don't you go out and get a better paying job.
    Even in the middle of the Obama Recession, there are jobs available.
    Oh my Henry. Your comprehension isn't what it should be.

    If "said employees" didn't take jobs at your favorite store, the stores would be filthy, the shelves would be bare and only 4 of the 40 registers would be operating.

    Oh wait, it's that way already.

    I admire self-made millionaires as I've discussed already. Sociopathic children who are handed millions and exploit others for even more I don't admire or envy. I'm repulsed by it. It's sad that you do tho.

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    Walmart plans are better than Obamcare.

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    New Obamacare health insurance enrollees may feel a pang of envy when they eye the coverage plans offered by Walmart to its employees.

    If you look at the deductibles, the only real difference is that Walmart employees only have to spend two months of their income on the deductible before they can actually benefit, while the other takes three months' worth of income.

    Walmart individuals face a $2,750 deductible and families need to pay $5,500 under the HRA plan. Individuals pay $1,750 and families pay $3,500 deductibles under the HRA High plan.

    Todd looked at a 30-year-old woman who could qualify for the government subsidy. “The nonsubsidized premium is $205 a month for this 30-year-old. If they get a subsidy, then the premium is zero. But that person has to come up with $6,300 if something catastrophic happened,” he said.

    The Walmart monthly premium for the same 30-year-old woman would be about $40. Her deductible would be $2,750, minus $250 in cash advance, for a total net deductible of $2,500.
    In other words, it's a nice, shiny toy, but batteries aren't included....
    I re-quoted my own post because it got butchered, with the important part of a brief quote stripped out. I'm not 100% sure I got it right.

    The point is that while Walmart premiums are better, neither plan is one that people at Walmart wages can afford to use anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Companies which put people before profits go broke. Why would any one start a company except to make profits? A company started to eschew profits would die aborning. Profits have to be more important than people. Without profits, we would all be back living in one room hovels like our ancestors.
    Bullshit... again.

    You need to read some history -- I direct you to someone you have probably never heard of, a man named Henry Ford, smart enough to know that his employees' wages were far more important than any huge amounts of money he could rake in.


    As an aside, it's the CEOs of this country who prove that this is not a Christian nation: no Christian would accept compensation more than a dozen times that of his employees.

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    Walmart pays its employees whatever the jobs are worth, and said employees don't have to take those jobs.
    Ethics from hell: based on lies, delighting in cruelty.

    You are one of the best arguments I've ever encountered for becoming a true-blue socialist.

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    Bullshit... again.

    You need to read some history -- I direct you to someone you have probably never heard of, a man named Henry Ford, smart enough to know that his employees' wages were far more important than any huge amounts of money he could rake in.


    As an aside, it's the CEOs of this country who prove that this is not a Christian nation: no Christian would accept compensation more than a dozen times that of his employees.
    Industrialist of yesteryear:

    “There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.” Henry Ford

    Pro-GOP Industrialist of the late 20th to early 21st centuries:

    "Make the most mainstream-purchaseable quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the lowest wages possible, and direct profits into offshore accounts and tax-deferred executive benefits packages."

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    Oh my Henry. Your comprehension isn't what it should be.

    If "said employees" didn't take jobs at your favorite store, the stores would be filthy, the shelves would be bare and only 4 of the 40 registers would be operating.

    Oh wait, it's that way already.

    I admire self-made millionaires as I've discussed already. Sociopathic children who are handed millions and exploit others for even more I don't admire or envy. I'm repulsed by it. It's sad that you do tho.
    Definitely.

    I don't know if the Waltons go to church anywhere, but if they do, if they had a real pastor he would meet them at the doorway each Sunday with a shepherd's crook and physically bar them from entering until they repent their greed, blackmail, theft, etc.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Bullshit... again.

    You need to read some history -- I direct you to someone you have probably never heard of, a man named Henry Ford, smart enough to know that his employees' wages were far more important than any huge amounts of money he could rake in.


    As an aside, it's the CEOs of this country who prove that this is not a Christian nation: no Christian would accept compensation more than a dozen times that of his employees.
    Henry Ford, despite all his other personality flaws, paid his employees the unheard of sum of $5 a day. His colleagues thought he was nuts.... why he was doing that and not paying them pittance so he could maximize profits. Ford said by paying them a living wage and continually lowering the price of his products he created thousands of new customers.

    That's about as alien to today's CEO's and republicans as it can get. They're only out for themselves and how much and how quickly they can personally gain.

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    Ethics from hell: based on lies, delighting in cruelty.

    You are one of the best arguments I've ever encountered for becoming a true-blue socialist.
    QFT

    People like Henry Reardon are the best advertising socialism can get. And he's doing it for free!

    Thanks Henry! Please keep coming in here making statements like that. People need to see what's in the minds of right wingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Industrialist of yesteryear:

    “There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.” Henry Ford

    Pro-GOP Industrialist of the late 20th to early 21st centuries:

    "Make the most mainstream-purchaseable quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the lowest wages possible, and direct profits into offshore accounts and tax-deferred executive benefits packages."
    Henry Ford, a very unfaithful Episcopalian, was nevertheless a better Christian as a businessman than any of the filthy rich today who insist this is supposed to be a Christian nation, who by their very lifestyles take the Lord's name in vain.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Henry Ford, despite all his other personality flaws, paid his employees the unheard of sum of $5 a day. His colleagues thought he was nuts.... why he was doing that and not paying them pittance so he could maximize profits. Ford said by paying them a living wage and continually lowering the price of his products he created thousands of new customers.

    That's about as alien to today's CEO's and republicans as it can get. They're only out for themselves and how much and how quickly they can personally gain.
    We have to remember too that these ideas came from a point in time in which American corporatists were Americans first and foremost. They weren't transnationals with no real interest in their local or national communities, who didn't really care what happened to the U.S. domestically. What reason did B.P. have to care really about the ecological ramifications of cutting corners on oil drills in the Gulf of Mexico?

    50 years ago I don't think it was any less true that you could have outsourced heavy industry to the cheapest, most economically depressed corner of the planet and saved a lot of money on your labor costs. The main difference above others, I think, is that it would have been seen as a horrible vice then and not as a virtue like today's conservative armchair economists do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Henry Ford, despite all his other personality flaws, paid his employees the unheard of sum of $5 a day. His colleagues thought he was nuts.... why he was doing that and not paying them pittance so he could maximize profits. Ford said by paying them a living wage and continually lowering the price of his products he created thousands of new customers.
    Ford understood that a robust economy begins with demand.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    We have to remember too that these ideas came from a point in time in which American corporatists were Americans first and foremost. They weren't transnationals with no real interest in their local or national communities, who didn't really care what happened to the U.S. domestically. What reason did B.P. have to care really about the ecological ramifications of cutting corners on oil drills in the Gulf of Mexico?

    50 years ago I don't think it was any less true that you could have outsourced heavy industry to the cheapest, most economically depressed corner of the planet and saved a lot of money on your labor costs. The main difference above others, I think, is that it would have been seen as a horrible vice then and not as a virtue like today's conservative armchair economists do.
    Exactly.

    The CEOs didn't ship jobs overseas so they would line their pockets with cash. They didn't squirrel away money in overseas banks.

    Today's republican party is focused on greed and power. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Exactly.

    The CEOs didn't ship jobs overseas so they would line their pockets with cash. They didn't squirrel away money in overseas banks.

    Today's republican party is focused on greed and power. Period.
    And we still have two people here, today, who buy into this idea that the so-called "lowering" (how much are your Nike's btw?) of prices by decimating the cost of production through outsourcing is a superior benefit to the economy, without regard to the fact that you have taken away the ability of people here to have as much disposable income to buy any of it with once you've outsourced their livelihood.

    Of course, all of those people who dropped basically into the urban poverty class once all the manufacturing jobs went away are just there because of their vice and their cultural tendencies-- no other reason.
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    , the stores would be filthy, the shelves would be bare and only 4 of the 40 registers would be operating.

    Oh wait, it's that way already.

    I.
    When was the last time you shopped at Walmart? I did our monthly shopping yesterday. Shelves were full. Floor was spotless. etc.

    Why do I shop there? To save money. The same can of Campbell's soup that costs 1.75 at Publix is 1.58 at Walmart, for example, and similar savings are available on hundreds of products.


    As long as the jobs are being offered, people will take them. Why? Because in the hideous Obama Recession, those are the only jobs available.

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    When was the last time you shopped at Walmart? I did our monthly shopping yesterday. Shelves were full. Floor was spotless. etc.

    Why do I shop there? To save money. The same can of Campbell's soup that costs 1.75 at Publix is 1.58 at Walmart, for example, and similar savings are available on hundreds of products.

    As long as the jobs are being offered, people will take them. Why? Because in the hideous Obama Recession, those are the only jobs available.
    So you go to Wal*Mart to save 17Ę on a can of soup. That's savvy shopping. My local supermarket chain prices their food at or below the local Wal*Mart Supercenters so I shop locally. However Wal*Mart strong armed suppliers so some popular items are only at Wal*Mart. The local merchants can't get them anymore.

    How much of your tax dollars did you spend for your Wal*Mart employee's Medicaid, housing assistance, heating assistance, food stamps and other government assistance they need to be on because they won't pay them a living wage?

    A Wal*Mart doesn't bring prosperity, it beings poverty.

    As I said, I haven't been in a Wal*Mart in years.... probably 2009 and that was only because the motel I was staying in was right next to one and I didn't know where a ShopKo, Target, K-Mart or Super Valu was.

    But you're half-right about the recession.... it started under George W Bush. It's the Bush recession and it's awful.

    Still, I will never shop at a Wal*Mart again. We can't afford the high cost of their low prices.

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    And we still have two people here, today, who buy into this idea that the so-called "lowering" (how much are your Nike's btw?) of prices by decimating the cost of production through outsourcing is a superior benefit to the economy, without regard to the fact that you have taken away the ability of people here to have as much disposable income to buy any of it with once you've outsourced their livelihood.

    Of course, all of those people who dropped basically into the urban poverty class once all the manufacturing jobs went away are just there because of their vice and their cultural tendencies-- no other reason.
    I hope you are not suggesting that I said that.

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    A Wal*Mart doesn't bring prosperity, it beings poverty.
    That's been proven and studies have been linked in this forum: when a Walmart comes to a place, it results in fewer jobs and lower wages.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    But you're half-right about the recession.... it started under George W Bush. It's the Bush recession and it's awful.

    Still, I will never shop at a Wal*Mart again. We can't afford the high cost of their low prices.
    I call it the Bankers' recession; they started it and continue to profit from it -- and they're starting to do the very same things again.

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    I hope you are not suggesting that I said that.
    You have most certainly said all of those things, directly or indirectly.

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    I hope you are not suggesting that I said that.
    It's exactly what you argue for here.

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    That's been proven and studies have been linked in this forum: when a Walmart comes to a place, it results in fewer jobs and lower wages.
    Yes but Henry and Benvolio would say "no one forced them to work there." Despite how we could equally point out how Wal*Mart usually puts out of business more employers employing more people than there are jobs at a Wal*Mart, due to their monopolistic advantages.

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    You have most certainly said all of those things, directly or indirectly.
    No I have not. I have often said that outsourcing is a rational response to the excessive burdens imposed upon businesses in the US and I have said it is better to send low paying jobs out of the country than to import workers here, if Americans do not want the jobs.

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