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    Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    If you really though they needed it? Someone I know is at their breaking point with stress and isn't the same person when they get infuriated, and it's scary to watch the moods shift. I sort of fear for my own safety and theirs. Things got really bad yesterday and the anger rubbed off on me as well and I got upset and broke things as well. I am usually content but this person just set me off when I was having a decent day. This person doesn't really know how to manage their emotions all that well as much as I and I am usually on the receiving end of their anger. What should I do? What can I do?

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    Yes, i had my mum sectioned when she was going manic with Bi-Polar.
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    Yes, of course, if it was medically necessary

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Firstly, i am afraid you cannot "commit" this person, as you have no legal right to do so. What you can do is perhaps seek out a properly
    qualified professional and explain your fears.
    Your concern for your friend is admirable, it sounds like you too may be reaching "Breaking-point", if you are responding in kind.

    So for your own sake, as well as his, this may be the path to follow.
    I hope that you are able to find a solution to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Firstly, i am afraid you cannot "commit" this person, as you have no legal right to do so. What you can do is perhaps seek out a properly
    qualified professional and explain your fears.
    Your concern for your friend is admirable, it sounds like you too may be reaching "Breaking-point", if you are responding in kind.

    So for your own sake, as well as his, this may be the path to follow.
    I hope that you are able to find a solution to this.
    Well, this person is a female, lives with me and above all, is flesh and blood. I am at my breaking point, yes, not really with her but with everything else. It doesn't help that she starts in when both of us are having a bad day and she gets really mean and personal about things. She is bipolar and needs help.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Never a loved one, but early this year a friend from university lost it due to drug abuse and underlying mental health issues. This all lead to weeks of death threats from him via the internet, and increasing insane writing about aliens coming to get him. Getting someone sectioned is pretty damn hard and we had to fight his parents to get him the help he needed as he had become a danger to himself and those around him - he believed me and all my friends from university were aliens and he wanted to peel our skin off, and that all the water in his house had been tampered with and was running acid out of the taps.
    I am not sure where you are based, but one of the first things to do is to contact a local mental health charity for information - typically they will really help you through all the steps in finding help.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    I am gay and married as many are aware of in this forum, a number of years ago my wife went in to deep depression, I was worried that she might try to end her life. I took her to the emergency room and they after talking to her felt the same. She was evaluated by
    a psychiatrist and then admitted to the hospitals unit for mental patients.
    She was there for two weeks and released on medications with a referral for follow up mental therapy, she saw a psychiatrist for about two years.
    So you can get your mother help if she is willing to go with you.

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    If this is your mother, what are your plans for finding a place to live if she remains unable to work?
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    To be honest, you have locked yourself into a negative co-dependent living situation that cannot end well for either of you. It sounds like you really are the one who would most benefit at the moment from spending time with a counsellor to work out some of the issues you are experiencing right now. I'd start there.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    Never a loved one, but early this year a friend from university lost it due to drug abuse and underlying mental health issues. This all lead to weeks of death threats from him via the internet, and increasing insane writing about aliens coming to get him. Getting someone sectioned is pretty damn hard and we had to fight his parents to get him the help he needed as he had become a danger to himself and those around him - he believed me and all my friends from university were aliens and he wanted to peel our skin off, and that all the water in his house had been tampered with and was running acid out of the taps.
    I am not sure where you are based, but one of the first things to do is to contact a local mental health charity for information - typically they will really help you through all the steps in finding help.
    You may be thinking about the Netherlands. The US is a wasteland for mental health services in most communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Well, this person is a female, lives with me and above all, is flesh and blood. I am at my breaking point, yes, not really with her but with everything else. It doesn't help that she starts in when both of us are having a bad day and she gets really mean and personal about things. She is bipolar and needs help.
    Thank you for the information, if she is your "flesh and blood", then yes you do have more "say" in the eyes of the law. Also if she has
    a medical diagnosis of being Bi-Polar, then you should contact her Primary Care Provider, and explain the situation, this should enable you to get the help that you need. Good luck.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Is your mother's bipolar diagnosis formal from a mental health care professional, or is it your own conclusion? You've mentioned that she works six days a week which suggests she is highly functional.

    Does she currently have medication for it prescribed? If so, is she taking it?

    Conversely, do you have medications for anxiety or depression prescribed for yourself? If so, are you taking them?

    The questions posed play a direct role in how the events you describe are to be understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Is your mother's bipolar diagnosis formal from a mental health care professional, or is it your own conclusion? You've mentioned that she works six days a week which suggests she is highly functional.

    Does she currently have medication for it prescribed? If so, is she taking it?

    Conversely, do you have medications for anxiety or depression prescribed for yourself? If so, are you taking them?

    The questions posed play a direct role in how the events you describe are to be understood.
    She has been diagnosed with it by her primary doctor. She had medications for it, but not sure if she's taking them. I have seen all the medicines she has and I don't know what they're all for. This is not about me, but since you asked, no, I am not on any medicines for either since my former primary doctor stopped returning my calls and refilling my medication.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Oh. I forgot about your problems with your doc cutting you off.

    To your point, your thread is almost entirely about you. If your mother were living alone, she might not have any relationships at home to have to maintain. Unless you suggest her behaviors are occurring in the work place, at the market, or with random members of the public, the problem you describe is about the relationship between you two. No you, no problem, perhaps.

    But, your response about meds is useful. It's possible that she has a problem with her meds and that she is not taking them, needs a dosage adjusted, or may have interactions. None of that negates the need for counseling in this situation, for both of you, but it may be the primary problem.

    Try contacting her doctor (or the nurse) if you don't think suggesting the problem directly to your mother is a good idea. Another avenue could be a family friend, another (more senior) relative, or a neighbor/clergy/merchant if you need to enlist help in getting her to help.

    Jumping to the conclusion that institutionalization is the only remedy is hasty. There may be a much simpler fix.

    Mentioning your own state is not a diversion, btw, but a relevant factor, since your own frustrations and anger may be fueling the problem. Consider again trying to get that help. You deserve it.
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    If someone you love is out of control and you fear for their safety or the safety of others, you can have them involuntarily Baker Acted and observed for 72 hours. This term is only used in Florida; other states usually refer to it as an involuntary psychiatric hold.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    ^ I don't know about that…we have an involuntary hold in Ontario, but an ordinary citizen cannot have someone committed. It only happens during psychiatric emergencies (suicide, psychosis etc.) and only a doctor or the individual can agree to the psychiatric hold…you can't commit someone without a medical license, even if they're bonkers and there's no probable cause. Sure, the OP's mother could be moody (I am not familiar with his post history), but if she does not pose a danger to herself or to others, there's nothing that can be done. Couple that with an abysmal mental health system, it's a perfect storm of apathy and perpetuates mental health stigma…*sigh*

    To answer the question, I have not been involved in the commitment of someone else, but I've been "committed" before as I had a wicked reaction to Paxil (I was 21, apparently it's a no-no for youth) and I was involuntarily put on hold until the drug was out of my system. If the OP is not privy to whatever medication his mother is taking, I'm afraid nothing can be done.
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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Without knowing about local resources and options, the only answer I can give is to get whatever lower-level intervention is possible before taking such a serious step. I've encountered quite a variety of resources in different places where I lived, from an "escape house" where you could move in for up to ten days just to be away from the world, to a clinic you could check yourself into for six days to allow professionals to evaluate you. Depending on insurance, there are also assistance programs where others come in to do basic chores so a person can have a reduction in stress.

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Thank you for the information, if she is your "flesh and blood", then yes you do have more "say" in the eyes of the law. Also if she has
    a medical diagnosis of being Bi-Polar, then you should contact her Primary Care Provider, and explain the situation, this should enable you to get the help that you need. Good luck.
    Definitely this. One of the hardest things for us bi-polar types to learn is to know when we need to holler for help. When I was at OSU I had a half dozen friends who knew me well enough to know when I should be hollering, and who'd committed to do so for me. You're really in the same position they were, so contact that doc!

    Quote Originally Posted by Orlandude View Post
    If someone you love is out of control and you fear for their safety or the safety of others, you can have them involuntarily Baker Acted and observed for 72 hours. This term is only used in Florida; other states usually refer to it as an involuntary psychiatric hold.
    Also depending on where you are it may leave a record in the police books that can count against you in the future, so I'd be easy on this one. But some places have a voluntary 72-hour hold, which leaves no negative record.

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    I wouldn't be in love any more if I did that.
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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    If she is off and on, as Bi-polar implies then you will have a hard time getting a commit order in the US unless she does something illegal or draws attention. I have experienced this and it is amazing how much the committed can make the other folks sound crazy if they truly want to.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    I wouldn't be in love any more if I did that.
    With your blood relative?

    Tough family.
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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Probably not "commit" them...I used to volunteer at Agnew State Mental Hospital until Satan St Reagan shut it down and the people who were institutionalized were sent to live on the street.....they trickled down into the gutter...and the grave...Reagan's trickle down bullshit had a lot more casualties than most people know.

    I think too many of the "mental health professionals" entered the field in order to heal themselves and though they may mean well they can project a bit to much...and many are a little too liberal with the prescription pad...

    ...so unless I was comfortable that the person who was helping my loved one was completely competent I would not even suggest a visit....

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    With your blood relative?

    Tough family.

    Never and even more reason to NEVER do that. EVER. Period.
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    ^ So you would be happy to see "Family", self-harm, harm others, be in constant turmoil, oh yeah and terror?

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    ^Given the alternative of torture in an asylum pumped full of primitive pharmaceuticals...yes.
    Have you ever visited a psych ward? It's no picnic how those people live. And die...in agony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Firstly, i am afraid you cannot "commit" this person, as you have no legal right to do so. What you can do is perhaps seek out a properly
    qualified professional and explain your fears.
    I've never understood how that works. Is it a mental health professional who has that power or the police or a judge? Or all three? Well I guess it's different country to country.

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    A barbaric solution...why not just stuff em in a pine box. Simply disgraceful ...truly vile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    To be honest, you have locked yourself into a negative co-dependent living situation that cannot end well for either of you. It sounds like you really are the one who would most benefit at the moment from spending time with a counsellor to work out some of the issues you are experiencing right now. I'd start there.
    A perspective that I hadn't thought about, but it may well be a helpful thing, especially because you're in immediate vicinity of her much of the time.

    I wasn't aware of the UK term "sectioned" before (in other posts). Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    You may be thinking about the Netherlands. The US is a wasteland for mental health services in most communities.
    You got THAT right. It's probably easier to get competent mental treatment in places like Belarus and Peru.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^Given the alternative of torture in an asylum pumped full of primitive pharmaceuticals...yes.
    Have you ever visited a psych ward? It's no picnic how those people live. And die...in agony.
    Funny enough! YES I HAVE, even had to do a "rotation" in one, your perception of an "Asylum", says it all.
    We have not called those facilities by such a name for years.
    As for "Primitive pharmaceuticals", the days of those and daily ECT and Lobotomy treatment, are long gone, at least here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I've never understood how that works. Is it a mental health professional who has that power or the police or a judge? Or all three? Well I guess it's different country to country.
    Morning.
    I really can only comment on that which i know, here in Scotland. A police officer has the power to "section" someone, but only for 24 hrs. A Dr can section someone for 72 hours, after which an assessment has to be carried out by specialists in the mental health field.
    Under Scottish Medical Jurisprudence and Scottish Law, a "Sheriff" which is our equivalent to a magistrate can section someone, if they feel after hearing evidence from One or more family members, a specially trained mental health social worker, or a CPN.
    However, guidelines state that any such "emergency" section, must be sanctioned by a team of mental health professionals within a 72 hour time-frame.

    Though, when it comes to jurisprudence under "criminal" mental health, then the rules change significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    A barbaric solution...why not just stuff em in a pine box. Simply disgraceful ...truly vile.
    Your responses, as usual, are replete with barbs, one-liners, and criticisms, but offer no alternatives.

    A mentally ill person is showing signs of agitation, potential violence to self or others, and is in a living situation in which no one else has authority or ability to compel the patient to get help.

    What are your suggested alternatives to professional psychiatric care, beginning with an observation period?

    What would you do to ensure the person doesn't wind up having an episode on the streets, in a convenience store, at a day care center, or elsewhere in public that could easily escalate into police action, being shot by police, or the patient harming other. School shootings much? Workplace violence much?

    Move beyond the "barbaric" and "disgraceful" accusations and actually address the topic with a grown-up solution, or be relegated to petulance and irrelevance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Morning.
    I really can only comment on that which i know, here in Scotland. A police officer has the power to "section" someone, but only for 24 hrs. A Dr can section someone for 72 hours, after which an assessment has to be carried out by specialists in the mental health field.
    Under Scottish Medical Jurisprudence and Scottish Law, a "Sheriff" which is our equivalent to a magistrate can section someone, if they feel after hearing evidence from One or more family members, a specially trained mental health social worker, or a CPN.
    However, guidelines state that any such "emergency" section, must be sanctioned by a team of mental health professionals within a 72 hour time-frame.

    Though, when it comes to jurisprudence under "criminal" mental health, then the rules change significantly.
    One way to be forced into a psych unit here in Silicon Valley is if you have had a suicide attempt.

    I had alcohol poisoning from drinking too much once and I had my stomach pumped that night 'til I was dead ass sober and then I was taken to the psych ward for 72 hour observation against my will.

    On the way in the building I kicked the cop in the balls (he had my handcuffs on too tight)....and I made a few other scenes as well 'til they locked me in a little room handcuffed for a couple hours while the charcoal they pumped into my stomach came out of my ass and I had to sit it in....

    When the counselor came in to assess my mental health state she released me as she decided I wasn't trying to commit suicide...and I wasn't...but they should have kept me the 72 hours because I was a danger to myself....I later found out that it was next to impossible to be let go once they admitted you ...so I felt "special"

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    Yes. Here the Police "Terminology" for it is called "A place of safety".....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^Given the alternative of torture in an asylum pumped full of primitive pharmaceuticals...yes.
    Have you ever visited a psych ward? It's no picnic how those people live. And die...in agony.
    This is just so much bullshit that I can't even let it go unattended.

    The world isn't all 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'.

    I have and still do a huge amount of work related to mental heath care in Canada and the US and your perceptions of psychiatric facilities is just absurd and charged with the kind of bias and negativity that makes it such an uphill struggle to help people get the type of care they may need.

    You obviously have no idea of the thrust of institutional care these days...even in the incredibly backward states in the US. The idea is to manage the crisis and then get people back to the most functional level possible so that they can take some place among 'normal' society. What is currently in terribly short supply are the community based supports that help people remain out of 'asylums'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^Given the alternative of torture in an asylum pumped full of primitive pharmaceuticals...yes.
    Have you ever visited a psych ward? It's no picnic how those people live. And die...in agony.
    Huh? We're not necessarily talking about a state hospital. Many mental health institutions these days are like resorts.

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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    put planet earth ins unit?
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    Re: Would you commit someone you love to a psych unit?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This is just so much bullshit that I can't even let it go unattended.

    The world isn't all 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'.

    I have and still do a huge amount of work related to mental heath care in Canada and the US and your perceptions of psychiatric facilities is just absurd and charged with the kind of bias and negativity that makes it such an uphill struggle to help people get the type of care they may need.

    You obviously have no idea of the thrust of institutional care these days...even in the incredibly backward states in the US. The idea is to manage the crisis and then get people back to the most functional level possible so that they can take some place among 'normal' society. What is currently in terribly short supply are the community based supports that help people remain out of 'asylums'.
    Eh, I was in a psych ward in '11 and the Cuckoo comparison was pretty en pointe. Guy spread his shit in the hallway, up the walls and down the floors... and it was 45m before anything was even down about it. Not that I'm defending his asinine comments, as I'd rather be in a psych ward than mentally suffering outside of it.
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