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    The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread - 2014 edition

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    Madonna wishes you all a happy Holiday!


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    Fuck you, Madonna. Get your Ray of Light era shit together. Young Street in Toronto, for some asinine reason, was closed next to your gym and I had to navigate my way through an empty skyscraper where your new Hard Candy Fitness gym is and it was confusing as fuck.
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    ^^^

    Madonna says she's Sorry for your first world problems. Oh yeah, and fuck you too.


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    From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    Recently, Madonna posted a picture of her boxing son, Rocco with the caption:
    No one messes with Dirty Soap! Mama said knock you out! #disni**a.

    Unsurprisingly especially to the knowing Madonna, a flurry of support and protest comments soon followed.

    Oprah mentioned that to her the use of the n-word has so much degrading meaning that it should never be used regardless; to Jay Z, the repetition of the word makes it less powerful.

    On one end, Jay Z's point is nothing more but desensitization. You repeat something well enough in context out of a painful history, it loses its pain. But then again, that also opens up a new danger - a systematized insensitivity. With Oprah's comment, as the HP books said, only you can give power to a name or a term; so by severely clamping it to that painful part of history and forbidding it never be used again, arent you clamping yourself down?

    Why do black people have a go at scot-free? If the n-word is symbolic of oppression and slavery, dont we all experience some form of it in our own individual ways? Can't we all subscribe to it as solidarity claim to a similar experience. Paula Deen got crucified for it yet Eminem who lyrically bashes gays, lesbians etc and uses the n-word repeatedly gets a free out of jail card.

    While it is unwise at times to doubt Madonna, as she is capable of far-reaching foresight than most with her antics or it could be lucky coincidence or a skillful retooling of what she did and does to appear as if they had/have an agenda, Madonna clearly got part of what she always was good at: attention.
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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    Quote Originally Posted by sammyyummy View Post
    Madonna clearly got part of what she always was good at: attention.
    I didn't know about this until now, so thanks for doing your part.

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    "No one messes with dirty soap" ???

    wtf does that even mean ???
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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    She wants to remain in the spotlight and she has to say or do something that will create controversy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    I didn't know about this until now, so thanks for doing your part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    She wants to remain in the spotlight and she has to say or do something that will create controversy.
    Basically.

    It's quite sad.

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    I liked her "apology" where she tweeted out "Get off my dick" lol. Classy mole.

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    She is RACIST!!!!!!

    OMG...I just unfriended her on FB!!!!

    Massive faux pas.

    Stupid old woman!

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    Good to hear she's still alive.

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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    Hopefully she gets swallowed up by a sinkhole soon! Bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    Good to hear she's still alive.
    Where is the acid-throwing-ballet-boy emoticon???

    As to Sammy's OP, clearly M has jumped the S as she desperately tries to out M the Lady G.

    The Oprah interdict is not a wise one, and it makes a boogeyman of the word instead of treats it as just a word. The huge fail of it all is that the Black population, and SOME of its cultural derivatives (like Rap) prove that, not only is it not painful to hear the word, it is bandied about with the same elan and jubilation as bitch, ho, chile, sistuh, gurl, babymama and other such terms that vary from being ghetto-isms or mock slave vocabulary.

    Slavery was real and horrible. The Holocaust was real and horrible. The treatment of Chinese immigrants to build the railroads was real and horrible. The Palestinian camps are real and horrible. And the list goes on. In no other case of oppression is there a vague notion that some word is so painful that uttering invokes horror. That drama is not even imputed to the modern horrors of the Holocaust.

    Speaking a word doesn't make it some eternally powerful and painful reminder. There is no need for the reminder, as a non-word becomes and even bigger specter. This whole N-word hysteria is akin to some perpetually self-wounded person forbidding family and friends to ever mention his/her ex-lover, ex-spouse, deceased child, former rival, whatever. It just suggests that there is a certain fragility (which there obviously isn't) and asks everyone else to play along in a sort of King's New Clothes charade.

    Black people have a legitimate cultural wound left from slavery and then Jim Crow. Using the N-word in conversation, academic writing, or cultural commentary is not relevant to that suffering, no matter how many times misguided leaders and pundits tell them that.

    I grew up labelled poor white trash and had no control over it having the meaning it had when applied to me. When I came of an age I could begin my escape from that condition, I moved on it. I don't today identify myself or others by that label. But, hearing it doesn't make me believe people are still painting me with that brush nor does it invoke pain.

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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    As Whoopi Goldberg once said, "It's never the word, it's the intent of the word."

    I do not believe she was being racist. Anyone with half a brain could see that. The fact that she's white should have nothing to do with it. I've had a straight female friend call herself a "fag-hag" in front of me. I wasn't offended, because I knew that her use of the word wasn't homophobic. The same applies to this situation.

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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    It would be hypocritical for me to jump all over her when I have used the SAME terminology in the SAME manner. She didn't call anyone a "nigger". She got a little too "cute" and forgot that she is indeed a white woman. Not her brightest moment, but if she's a closet racist...she's done an awesome job of pretending not to be all this time. I'm as offended by her using the word as I am when I hear Eminem use it.

    FOR ME it comes down to how the word is being used, who it is directed towards, intent, and if the person using it has a "history" of being a racist douchebag. That goes for blacks, whites...everyone.

    As for the white people who whine about "why can't we use the N-word?"....it's probably because most of the bitches who whine about not being able to use it are the ones who still view blacks as inferior or wish we were still living in Jim Crow era.
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    Eminem has used it?

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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    The *N* word and the *F* word. They carry a lot of negative baggage for a lot of people.
    The mere fact that they can bring up so many bad thoughts to so many, and potentially condone hatred, is more than enough reason for me to not use them.
    If you don't think these words have much power it's just wishful thinking and a bit of denial. Just remember that they are the exact words people reach for when they are most angry and violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    Eminem has used it?
    That would have been my question as well. I seem to remember him years ago when he was actually popular saying the n word was one of his limits that the industry just wouldn't tolerate.

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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    She's just trying to create some controversy, people don't even care about her anymore.
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    Re: From M to N: The Case of Madonna and the N-word

    Penn Jillette once said:
    The person on the other side of my date stands up and says, “Well if there’s no God, what’s to stop me from raping and killing everyone around me?” And my date raised her hand and said, “May I change my seat?”

    That really is the point. The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping ram[pages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine.
    Historically, the word was both an everyday noun, and sort of an insult. Then over time it became exclusively an insult, and the only reason to say the word was to belittle someone, or try to.

    I actually think that was a mark of progress. I think the unpleasant side of human nature is to insult only the people you fear could be mistaken for your equals. In the early history of the word, people using it to describe others had enough arrogance to believe no one would ever confuse blacks and whites as equals. When it became exclusively an insult, it was in many ways an admission of defeat. All bigots had left was to try to throw the past back in the faces of people who were starting to win.

    Then it morphed again so another reason to use it was as a badge of honour and a political act to indicate indifference to, and contempt of, bigotry. And claiming of a political identity.

    And then of course the word comes up in intellectual discussions of the word. Linguistics. Politics. Sociology.

    So, this brings me back to Penn Jillette. There is nothing to stop me or anyone from saying it. And I say it as often as I want to...

    The older meaning of the word, the everyday noun used to describe someone with African ancestry, is long since dead and gone, so I don't use it. I don't use it as a belittling insult either, because I don't believe anyone's ancestry or genetics has anything to do with why we might be having a disagreement. And because I want to at least try to be taken seriously in life as a civilised person. I don't use it as a reclaimed word because it's more politically powerful and relevant when a person uses the word to describe themselves in defiance of anti-black bigotry, and it doesn't apply to me because I'm white. It's directly the same kind of reclaiming as when gay people use the word "faggot." I don't go out of my way to describe myself that way, but I understand the idea behind reclaiming words, and whether I do it or not, it is a legitimate option in politicised language. And between friends I also think it is appropriate, and I would use it, when it is clear that we're on the same page. So anybody who knows me well enough to say "Hey faggot, where have you been?" I could also reply to with "Hey nigger, long time no see!" and it would not be inappropriate. Though...to be honest I don't talk that way and neither do my friends. Like I said I don't really use reclaimed words, even though I don't cringe when I hear it and I get what it's about.

    And that brings us to the last occasion to use the word: in discussions about the word itself. I will use it in that context mostly because I think any of the mock-censored versions are just silly for an intellectual discussion. n-word. nistarstarer. Pff. It is unacademic. Would be like a gynaecologist talking about the "baby coming out the woo woo." If we're going to have a serious discussion about the word, we're going to say the word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    It would be hypocritical for me to jump all over her when I have used the SAME terminology in the SAME manner.
    Okay what does it mean? I don't have the first clue what she is even trying to convey, other than guessing she is probably bragging about her son.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    That would have been my question as well. I seem to remember him years ago when he was actually popular saying the n word was one of his limits that the industry just wouldn't tolerate.
    I'm not the biggest fan of him, but he's on a track "realest N****" with 50 Cent and Biggie, and he managed to rhyme around that word without using it rather flawlessly.

    I remember him being in a race scandal when voice recordings of his teens surfaced with him saying negative things about Black women, but I don't think I've EVER heard him use the N word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    Good to hear she's still alive.
    Pretty much this.

    Madonna? Ain't nobody got time for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    Eminem has used it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    That would have been my question as well. I seem to remember him years ago when he was actually popular saying the n word was one of his limits that the industry just wouldn't tolerate.
    I'm sure I've heard him use nigga in some of his songs. Google it, guys.



    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Okay what does it mean? I don't have the first clue what she is even trying to convey, other than guessing she is probably bragging about her son.
    "dis[this] nigga" is a phrase some of my friends and I have used when someone is doing something and thinking they're about to pull one over on you...but you catch on to it and shut it down. It's similar to when I see someone say something on here, and I say child, please. I'm sure people use it differently though.
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    Madonna? Really? Who cares what she says anyway. She's over and she knows it. Just desperate now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Madonna? Really? Who cares what she says anyway. She's over and she knows it. Just desperate now.
    If I had her money, I wouldn't mind being over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Madonna? Really? Who cares what she says anyway. She's over and she knows it. Just desperate now.
    Wut.

    I'm by no means a Madonna fanboy, but even I have to take exception when people seem to assume she's just an attention whore with no other perogatives. You know how ridiculously intelligent she is, right? She keeps physics books next to her damn bed.

    I don't think she's desperately scheming ways to get attention. I think she's been pretty enormously successful at anything she ever wanted to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    If you don't think these words have much power it's just wishful thinking and a bit of denial. Just remember that they are the exact words people reach for when they are most angry and violent.
    Please be serious. When has bitch been protested here among us at JUB?

    It's treated like gal or sister, and it is hugely sexist and resented by women far and wide.

    We are narrowly selective about our taboos here.

    And queer is all over the place, yet it clearly came from deprecatory origins, yet it is reclaimed.

    I've been thrilled to have lived through the civil rights decades and literally seen a new world emerge in my lifetime. It was much overdue. It has had direct benefit to gay men as we followed in their path. But that doesn't mean, as a person with a degree in language, that I could ever endorse the sort of hypersensitivity that the actual word has taken from the politicos.

    Bankside said it best.

    And I recant. Buzzer is right: Madonna doesn't need to be desperate and has her legacy regardless of whether she never dons the bustier again.
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    Statement released a few hours ago via facebook:

    Quote Originally Posted by Madonna
    I am sorry if I offended anyone with my use of the N word on Instagram. It was not meant as a racial slur.. I am not a racist. There's no way to defend the use of the word. It was all about intention.. It was used as a term of endearment toward my son who is white. I appreciate that it's a provocative word and I apologize if it gave people the wrong impression. Forgive me.
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    let the truth be told


    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Wut.

    I'm by no means a Madonna fanboy, but even I have to take exception when people seem to assume she's just an attention whore with no other perogatives. You know how ridiculously intelligent she is, right? She keeps physics books next to her damn bed.

    I don't think she's desperately scheming ways to get attention. I think she's been pretty enormously successful at anything she ever wanted to do.

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    Googled. Apparently, Em used it early in his career in mixtapes which the Source released and he apologized. Throughout his career, I'd never heard him use it (but I'm not a fan). It generally comes from the folks making guest appearances on his album.

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    I think she's been pretty enormously successful at anything she ever wanted to do.
    ...until about five years ago.

    She's intelligent enough to know the kind of reaction she'd get trying to be down and using the term she did. Lets not fool ourselves. Madonna is successful to the point where she doesn't "have" to use shock value, but that doesn't necessarily place her above it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Madonna doesn't need to be desperate and has her legacy regardless of whether she never dons the bustier again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    ...until about five years ago.

    She's intelligent enough to know the kind of reaction she'd get trying to be down and using the term she did. Lets not fool ourselves. Madonna is successful to the point where she doesn't "have" to use shock value, but that doesn't necessarily place her above it.
    Basically.

    I doubt for a second she's even remotely racist, but she loves her some negative attention. #sadoldlady.

    I still like her music though, I just find her antics sad. She really doesn't need to get attention this way, she's "Madonna" afterall. I forgive her, I'm over it.

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    Yea, I'm not mad at her. And I still listen to "Ray Of Light" like it's new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILLBFIRE View Post
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    lol a mess. I can tells she hangs around a fair number of black people judging from some of the little idioms and phrases she uses.
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    Re: The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread - 2014 edition

    Madonna is reportedly going to sing with Macklemore on Same Love.....OMG
    i thought she was going to sing with Lorde or Perry or Beyonce.
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    I wish she'd quit the desperate act and go back to making good music, without collaborating with crap singers. Another "Ray of Light" or "True Blue" type of sound would be great.

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    Madonna is performing at the Grammy Awards this Sunday on CBS 8pm EST. It's been confirmed.

    I'm so excited!!
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    Re: The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread - 2014 edition

    Madonna, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis to Perform "Same Love" Together at the 2014 Grammys

    Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainm...#ixzz2rWr9wcWT

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    Oh wow Madonna Macklemore Ryan Lewis Mary Lambert - no special effects, no dancing but was so moving.
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    I loved their performance. Definitely my favorite performance of the night.

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    What trooper, even with her foot still not well from a recent accident Madonna, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis and Mary Lambert performing at The Grammy's 2014 'Same Love".


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    ryan lewis is cute
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    Re: The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread - 2014 edition

    Madonna reveals that she's working with Avicii on her upcoming album.

    Not sure how I feel about this, as it gives me the impression she's still in the 'release dance/party/"fun" music' type of mindset. I'm ready for something a bit more "quiet", serious, and deep.

    We shall see though.
    I like to watch...

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    Re: The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread - 2014 edition

    New album =tour! !!!!!!!

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    Re: The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread - 2014 edition

    Quote Originally Posted by ILLBFIRE View Post
    New album =tour! !!!!!!!
    she doesn't need an excuse to tour.

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