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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    See, that's just the thing. Phil Robertson isn't the ignoramus he pretends to be. He actually has a masters degree. As a matter of fact he's something of a college football legend since Terry Bradshaw played second to him. He turned down an offer to play for the Washington Redskins because according to him he wanted to hunt instead of play football.
    Ignorant and stupid aren't always the same thing. An educated person can still be ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    What's laughable, is the ignorance exhibited in this post. People with audience who spew hatred openly are catalysts for bigotry that leads to very real emotional and physical abuse. There is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of teen suicides are gay, there is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of homeless kids are gay. If you think that public figures inciting hatred has nothing to do with it, then I envy you your ivory tower.
    But he's not a 'public figure'. He is one man, who's life we videotape for entertainment. In 10 years, no one will remember who he is, what he did, or what he said. His opinions are inconsequential, because we don't put him on tv for his opinion. We put him on because his backwoods redneck ways are entertaining. It'd be more accurate to think of him as a fictional character.

    Now, those who ARE famous/in the media based on their opinions, and what they say (politicians, activists, etc.)... those are public figures. Those are the people who should be held accountable for their opinions, because that's what we want from them.

    All anyone wants from Phil Robertson is for his redneck antics to entertain viewers. That should be all he has to give us.

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    If he is kept off the show, I'd say there's better than an even chance that Wayne LaPierre will invite him to speak at the next NRA national convention.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musik2400 View Post
    But he's not a 'public figure'. He is one man, who's life we videotape for entertainment.
    That's right, he takes money for being in front of a camera for view by millions.

    That makes him a public figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    And that's exactly what A&E did.

    So what are we here discussing, exactly?

    The guy can have any backwards, racist viewpoint he wants. Whether or not he's entitled to a camera and spotlight being provided by a company that presumably makes a living off ad space and marketshare is not a contingency of his right to hold racist views.
    Well, the analogy breaks down somewhere. After all, this guy didn't espouse his views on homosexuality on the TV program - he did so in the magazine. If the analogy held, it'd be like a teacher kicking a student out for what he said in some other class, or at home. But I don't think that really applies.

    Here's the thing, though. I'm not arguing A&E's right to kick the guy off the show. I'm not convinced it's the best move, but they're entirely within their rights to do so. But why do we even know this guy's backwards views? Why do we all know what he said? Because this interviewer asked him, and his magazine published his response. (There's apparently other video evidence from outside the confines of the show, but it was the printed interview that brought it to everybody's attention.) But if what was said is tantamount to hate speech, certainly the magazine should be considered culpable for printing it. But I haven't seen any righteous indignation tossed their way. If anything, people sem happy that the magazine "revealed the guy's true colors".

    So, a sincere question: Would it have been better if the magazine had NOT printed that part? It would've meant millions of people would not have heard his backward views, but it would also have meant the guy kept his job, and none the wiser.

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    Yeah, it would have been better. This isn't about some cosmic justice, this is about the atmosphere created in the media. Bigots have always held, hold and will hold good jobs, and the point is not really to take those away from them. It's to create an environment where openly hating on any group of people is simply not ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Well, the analogy breaks down somewhere. After all, this guy didn't espouse his views on homosexuality on the TV program - he did so in the magazine. If the analogy held, it'd be like a teacher kicking a student out for what he said in some other class, or at home. But I don't think that really applies.

    Here's the thing, though. I'm not arguing A&E's right to kick the guy off the show. I'm not convinced it's the best move, but they're entirely within their rights to do so. But why do we even know this guy's backwards views? Why do we all know what he said? Because this interviewer asked him, and his magazine published his response. (There's apparently other video evidence from outside the confines of the show, but it was the printed interview that brought it to everybody's attention.) But if what was said is tantamount to hate speech, certainly the magazine should be considered culpable for printing it. But I haven't seen any righteous indignation tossed their way. If anything, people sem happy that the magazine "revealed the guy's true colors".

    So, a sincere question: Would it have been better if the magazine had NOT printed that part? It would've meant millions of people would not have heard his backward views, but it would also have meant the guy kept his job, and none the wiser.

    Lex
    Your question implies that I feel such views should be squashed and censored and never allowed to be mentioned, printed or reported. My position is that the only constructive or meaningful response to people holding these views openly is to do exactly as A&E has done. You're not going to calmly debate these people out of their viewpoint, and you're not going to make people more educated about race by trying to fight with them, and you aren't going to take away whatever credence people may feel these viewpoints have by airing them publicly and then trying to debate every uneducated redneck who cheers them on. The most effective response is to show that there is no room in civil society for these viewpoints whether that's by chucking the rabid racist out of the workplace or his congressional seat or his A&E contract or whatever else.

    When you give these people a pulpit or a public presence and there's no repercussion for these types of views regardless of "where" they were spouted you're legitimizing them as something perfectly fine, and they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Yeah, it would have been better. This isn't about some cosmic justice, this is about the atmosphere created in the media. Bigots have always held, hold and will hold good jobs, and the point is not really to take those away from them. It's to create an environment where openly hating on any group of people is simply not ok.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    You quoted me but didn't say anything..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You quoted me but didn't say anything..
    I said this:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Surely you are intelligent enough to connect the dots between hate speech and consequences.

    Or maybe not...



    And you are exactly the type of gay in the 97% who has never donated time or money to a gay cause in his life, and instead you sit there in your computer chair preaching to the world how progress is really made when you haven't ever actually done it yourself. It shows because you don't have a clue.
    That's not debate. It's attack and insult. For shame.

    Is the topic not sufficient to argue? You must create a straw man to enable you to have the upper hand merely by imputation and smear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    And, Buzzer, comparing a school kid calling his neighbor "nigger" isn't even closely related to the adult world. Kids can't drive, drink, smoke, vote, or many other things that are adult prerogatives. Of course a teacher isn't going to teach it, but Duck Dynasty isn't a teaching scenario and it doesn't have the obligation to espouse morality. And, the Robertson guy didn't call names -- he just voiced a couple of backward opinions.
    To many people, anyone in the spotlight is an authority figure, so it is a teaching situation -- just not a formal one.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    This fool can say what he wants (and NO ONE has said otherwise,) then so can I and so can everyone else and there IS NOT ONE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES of being a racist, misogynistic, homophobic ASSWIPE!!!!!!

    He tossed hate, he gets no pass.

    So long as no one is bashing him - fuck him and the horse he rode on on.

    Period, end of story, that's all she wrote.


    To those of you who commented about it - history has proven there is a correlation between hate speech and hate CRIME!

    I wonder how happy you'd be crucified to a fence by homophobes who think that's perfectly fine - because some preacher told them you were non human trash who deserved to die.

    Constitutional right to say what you like and all that - except not, you have NO right to speech that incites.
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    That speech sounded like an inciteful speech to me.

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    …incite...

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    Funny no one at my work has mentioned them. Friends I hang with weekly loves the show and one of my closest coworker is a HUGE fan of their show but no one has mentioned it, at least to me. Granted I'm not as upset about it as most, mainly because I could give a damn about him or the show, and I haven't brought it up. They win either way it plays out, they are making him out like a victim and therefore they are buying up their shit in droves and watching the show each time it plays. Now I read he is now back on the show after A&E and the family talked to special interest groups, etc etc. Again, I just with I could turn on the tv daily and see someone go on about straight people living together unmarried are going to hell and having babies out of wedlock and are spitting in "god's" face as much they carry on about gay people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    Again, I just with I could turn on the tv daily and see someone go on about straight people living together unmarried are going to hell and having babies out of wedlock and are spitting in "god's" face as much they carry on about gay people.
    Don't forget eating shellfish and wearing clothes made of two different fabrics.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    ^


    That speech sounded like an inciteful speech to me.
    That's the best you can come up with?

    Pretty much underscores you have no leg to stand on.

    C'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Is the topic not sufficient to argue? You must create a straw man to enable you to have the upper hand merely by imputation and smear?
    Because if you and Lex weren't so insufferably ignorant and uncaring you'd know about people like this kid.

    Phil Robertson made me feel unsafe in my own home': Gay Louisiana student writes powerful anonymous letter to Duck Dynasty star in wake of homophobic comments

    But you don't, and it's obvious, because the only time you people do care to weigh in on a gay issue is to defend these assholes.

    That's not debate. It's attack and insult. For shame.
    Thanks, but in light of what HAS been said in defense of people whom reinforce cultural hatred and push gay youth to suicide, both of your sorry asses deserve to be spoken to this way, so take it and shut the fuck up.
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    Now A&E, on the advice of people in this very thread even, has decided to reinforce the cultural attitude that LGBT prejudice is perfectly tolerable and should be on television.

    Oh but nevermind that another gay kid has hanged himself in his closet. Congratulations, you must feel *so* proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Now A&E, on the advice of people in this very thread even, has decided to reinforce the cultural attitude that LGBT prejudice is perfectly tolerable and should be on television.

    Oh but nevermind that another gay kid has hanged himself in his closet. Congratulations, you must feel *so* proud.
    There are really only two kinds of people who think this kind of viewpoint going out en masse in society or over the airwaves should be protected: people who secretly share those views, and people with the misguided notion that speech has utterly no power. Someone has the right to express any opinion they want under the Constitution, but someone having views like these, expressing them publicly/on-air, and having them tacitly supported via a church or network paying them money to be on the air voicing them, and having no repercussion for doing so sends out a message about the legitimacy of these viewpoints. Every bigoted redneck who watches Duck Dynasty now feels more vindicated in their views as something mainstream and acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post

    The proper response to voices espousing racism and homophobia and all else isn't to ban them out right - it's to counter them. To explain why those vantage points are wrong. I mean, you CAN do that, can't you? Because if you can't, maybe you need to take another look at your stances.

    Lex
    That is all well and good if these were the type of folks who would actually sit down and listen to a counter point and consider the opinions. But they're not, they rather stomp their feet and sticking their fingers in their ears. People are set in their views a lot of the time, when it comes to people like him (boo-hoo I am stereotyping) they are not going to change. So the next thing to do for me, is to cut them off.

    These people are wrong and these are not opinions or points of views they have, it is hatred. But people are OK with it because they try to disguise it under religion. I will be less inclined to take any kind of power they have away from them once we're equal and their hateful kind is treated as the minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    There are really only two kinds of people who think this kind of viewpoint going out en masse in society or over the airwaves should be protected: people who secretly share those views, and people with the misguided notion that speech has utterly no power. Someone has the right to express any opinion they want under the Constitution, but someone having views like these, expressing them publicly/on-air, and having them tacitly supported via a church or network paying them money to be on the air voicing them, and having no repercussion for doing so sends out a message about the legitimacy of these viewpoints. Every bigoted redneck who watches Duck Dynasty now feels more vindicated in their views as something mainstream and acceptable.
    Bingo. Such comments aren't going to change anyone's mind, but they sure do urge the "troops" on.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    O.K. I don't expect any of you at this late hour to care much, but I'm about to say some extremely extreme things to people in the morning because I have been subjected to an entire evening of why that bigot on the stupid show was supposedly ruined.

    What offends me most and has kept me up is that they can defend this asshole an turn to me and tell themselves that since they love me so It's Baffling why I'm so unreasonable.

    I nearly told one of my sisters to go fuck herself -but I restrained myself.

    which is another issue. Why must I restrain MYSELF!

    OK yes I know, and so do you, and y'all understand. It's three in the morning and I can't sleep I'm so offended.

    I'm seriously considering getting in my car and going home. I would rather spend the rest of Christmas alone than deal with what I'm going to have to say to people I really trusted before this.

    It is a shock that my own family - after all these years - would side with the bigot. Am I missing something? Is there some mitigating circumstance?

    I've been sitting up unable to sleep feeling betrayed. Isa that wrong?


    If a silly little white trash reality show affects you this much (or in any way for that matter) - life is gonna knock you down. Toughen up and ignore what needs to be ignored...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    That is all well and good if these were the type of folks who would actually sit down and listen to a counter point and consider the opinions. But they're not, they rather stomp their feet and sticking their fingers in their ears. People are set in their views a lot of the time, when it comes to people like him (boo-hoo I am stereotyping) they are not going to change. So the next thing to do for me, is to cut them off.
    You're right - they won't go out looking for a counterpoint. And that's why I keep harping on my desire to make an episode where gay people show up to visit. Because it would put a counterpoint in front of them, in a forum they're already tuned in to. Removing him from the show simply makes the ignorant feel that they're under attack. (Which they are - just not for the reasons they believe.) I can't imagine anybody who thought as he did had their mind changed by having him suspended. "I used to think gays were bad people, but now that the network suspended this guy for saying so, I guess they're not so bad"? No, I don't think that happened anywhere.

    But the stars of the show are upfront about how the show works. "The network comes up with ideas on what we can do, and then we just do them." Perfect. Have a busload of gay guys go visit. Force interaction. Have them see the humanity behind the vilified name. And no, not everyone watching will rush out to join PFLAG. But I'm guessing it'll do a lot more than simply booting him off the show would accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    You're right - they won't go out looking for a counterpoint. And that's why I keep harping on my desire to make an episode where gay people show up to visit. Because it would put a counterpoint in front of them, in a forum they're already tuned in to. Removing him from the show simply makes the ignorant feel that they're under attack. (Which they are - just not for the reasons they believe.) I can't imagine anybody who thought as he did had their mind changed by having him suspended. "I used to think gays were bad people, but now that the network suspended this guy for saying so, I guess they're not so bad"? No, I don't think that happened anywhere.

    But the stars of the show are upfront about how the show works. "The network comes up with ideas on what we can do, and then we just do them." Perfect. Have a busload of gay guys go visit. Force interaction. Have them see the humanity behind the vilified name. And no, not everyone watching will rush out to join PFLAG. But I'm guessing it'll do a lot more than simply booting him off the show would accomplish.

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    You guys are laying on your backs and allowing yourself to be victims with this type of reactions. "Duck Dynasty, Finding Bigfoot, Small Town Sherriff, "any word here" Wars, "any word here" Struggle....WTF!? Why do these shows affect you in any way at all. It is white trash's 15 minutes... that is all.

    Why does this nonsense affect you at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    It is white trash's 15 minutes... that is all.

    Why does this nonsense affect you at all?
    Because people are paying attention to it and being told that it's okay to say such things.

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    Don't you guys find it obvious though if any reality show star had to get involved in this sort of 'scandal' with whatever motive behind it, it had to be Duck Dynasty? These men look like Neanderthals with Barbie like wives and backward views that cater to a specific type of people. The type of people that do not understand, don't want to and simply hate us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Because people are paying attention to it and being told that it's okay to say such things.
    Wrong. People could care less. What was the most controversial reality TV show of 2010?

    YOU give it power by elevating it. Do not blame others for your own ignorance....

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    Wrong. People could care less. What was the most controversial reality TV show of 2010?
    I have no idea what the most controversial reality show was in 2010. I don't watch any of them. I didn't even know what Duck Dynasty was about until this controversy. I was simply answering a question about why this nonsense would affect me. If anything, I'm blaming those people who believe Phil for their and his ignorance... not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I have no idea what the most controversial reality show was in 2010. I don't watch any of them. I didn't even know what Duck Dynasty was about until this controversy. I was simply answering a question about why this nonsense would affect me. If anything, I'm blaming those people who believe Phil for their and his ignorance... not mine.
    You just answered yourself. You do not know what is upsetting you.

    Stop wasting your life like this. Do not let silly things like reality TV affect your life...

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    There are really only two kinds of people who think this kind of viewpoint going out en masse in society or over the airwaves should be protected: people who secretly share those views, and people with the misguided notion that speech has utterly no power. Someone has the right to express any opinion they want under the Constitution, but someone having views like these, expressing them publicly/on-air, and having them tacitly supported via a church or network paying them money to be on the air voicing them, and having no repercussion for doing so sends out a message about the legitimacy of these viewpoints. Every bigoted redneck who watches Duck Dynasty now feels more vindicated in their views as something mainstream and acceptable.
    I have to disagree about the "two camps"...it is far more complex that that.

    Free speech is a principle and I think people forget that restricting free speech opens a Pandora's Box because what people define as "obscene" or "a threat" can change drastically in a few generations and as gay men we should know better...look at what has happened recently in Russia...and now India....gay men have been considered a threat to society across the world and existing in silence has been necessary historically and in many places in the world it still is.......

    I think allowing people to express whatever opinion they have is essential. ...and that includes the response to the opinions...free speech goes both ways.

    I have long defended the Westboro Church even though I hate them and I firmly believe that they have helped public opinion shift more in favor of Gay marriage than anyone else. Hatred like theirs is a much needed mirror for a lot of people who need to see who they are...or what they have become.

    When you bring something out in the open and put it on the table it opens up much needed dialogue...like this one...

    ....many things do not grow in the dark...and that would include public opinion. These people serve as catalysts for everyone....let them. If we seek to restrict their right to free speech we create a sympathetic figure and that is exactly what the right wing wants us to do...let's not help them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    You just answered yourself. You do not know what is upsetting you.

    Stop wasting your life like this. Do not let silly things like reality TV affect your life...
    What exactly gives you the idea that I'm upset? I'm more upset being accused by you of being upset when I'm not. I do wish people would stop telling me what I'm thinking and feeling.

    Besides, if you read my post, you would have known that I don't watch those types of shows. They don't affect my life at all except by wasting viewing time when other more interesting programmes could be broadcast. That's why I haven't watched A&E for many years now since this silly 'reality TV' fad caught on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    You just answered yourself. You do not know what is upsetting you.

    Stop wasting your life like this. Do not let silly things like reality TV affect your life...
    The comments had nothing to do with the reality tv. And they weren't even made on the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    What exactly gives you the idea that I'm upset? I'm more upset being accused by you of being upset when I'm not. I do wish people would stop telling me what I'm thinking and feeling.

    Besides, if you read my post, you would have known that I don't watch those types of shows. They don't affect my life at all except by wasting viewing time when other more interesting programmes could be broadcast. That's why I haven't watched A&E for many years now since this silly 'reality TV' fad caught on.

    Break free from TV in general gsdx. It is not worth it. Let is not rule your life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    Break free from TV in general gsdx. It is not worth it. Let is not rule your life...
    You apparently don't know my life. Trust me. You wouldn't want.

    If you knew anything about my life, you would know how vital television is to my sanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    You apparently don't know my life. Trust me. You wouldn't want.

    If you knew anything about my life, you would know how vital television is to my sanity.

    That is OK - just do not let it take over your life and perception of happiness.... Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    If a silly little white trash reality show affects you this much (or in any way for that matter) - life is gonna knock you down. Toughen up and ignore what needs to be ignored...
    Huh?

    The rednecks around here don't need any bigoted input from people like Duck-dude. Little pushes like this tend to encourage them to beat up gays or vandalize their property. I think we're past the days when sheriff's deputies can be counted on to affirm that any incident resulting in a gay's death was definitely an accident, but we're certainly not past finding car windows broken or tires slashed, or gays finding themselves "encouraged" to "trip" and fall smashing their faces into the pavement.

    Or are you saying that gays should just ignore that stuff because it doesn't really affect them?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    You're right - they won't go out looking for a counterpoint. And that's why I keep harping on my desire to make an episode where gay people show up to visit. Because it would put a counterpoint in front of them, in a forum they're already tuned in to. Removing him from the show simply makes the ignorant feel that they're under attack. (Which they are - just not for the reasons they believe.) I can't imagine anybody who thought as he did had their mind changed by having him suspended. "I used to think gays were bad people, but now that the network suspended this guy for saying so, I guess they're not so bad"? No, I don't think that happened anywhere.

    But the stars of the show are upfront about how the show works. "The network comes up with ideas on what we can do, and then we just do them." Perfect. Have a busload of gay guys go visit. Force interaction. Have them see the humanity behind the vilified name. And no, not everyone watching will rush out to join PFLAG. But I'm guessing it'll do a lot more than simply booting him off the show would accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Of course he has the right to express his beliefs. And it is their right, and privilege, to tell him to go express them somewhere else.

    Or they should require him to take Chris Cheng, the Season 4 Champion of the History Channel's Top Shot, on the show at least once a month.
    Then I'm sure they could find a Pink Pistols chapter close enough to be willing to join the show.

    There's no way these duck dudes are going to stop believing gays are header for hell. But they can be set up to demonstrate that gays should be treated with respect in spite of that.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I have to disagree about the "two camps"...it is far more complex that that.

    Free speech is a principle and I think people forget that restricting free speech opens a Pandora's Box because what people define as "obscene" or "a threat" can change drastically in a few generations and as gay men we should know better...look at what has happened recently in Russia...and now India....gay men have been considered a threat to society across the world and existing in silence has been necessary historically and in many places in the world it still is.......

    I think allowing people to express whatever opinion they have is essential. ...and that includes the response to the opinions...free speech goes both ways.

    I have long defended the Westboro Church even though I hate them and I firmly believe that they have helped public opinion shift more in favor of Gay marriage than anyone else. Hatred like theirs is a much needed mirror for a lot of people who need to see who they are...or what they have become.

    When you bring something out in the open and put it on the table it opens up much needed dialogue...like this one...

    ....many things do not grow in the dark...and that would include public opinion. These people serve as catalysts for everyone....let them. If we seek to restrict their right to free speech we create a sympathetic figure and that is exactly what the right wing wants us to do...let's not help them.
    I did not propose that laws should force Duck Dynasty off the air as a result of the comments.

    I do however condemn A&E for, by default, supporting these views through putting money and a paycheck behind someone obviously watched and related to by millions of Americans voicing these views on their network in their program with no consequence. And I do hold them as being partially responsible for enabling/empowering homophobic viewpoints in so doing, even though their only concern is financial and even though he has the "first amendment right" to any viewpoint he wanted. But him having it on national airwaves on their dime makes them partially responsible for the shaping of attitudes in the greater mainstream, no matter how much they or anyone would try to argue that's not the case.

    Firing someone as an employee or spokesperson because they voiced controversial, discriminatory or racist personal opinions while under your pay or reflecting on you is not a violation of freedom of speech. Nor did I propose any restriction on freedom of speech. There are five million of this guy from Duck Dynasty sharing his views all over the internet, facebook and message board forums and news article comment areas--- 50 million maybe. So I disagree with your supposition that this dialogue can't be had or wouldn't be happening if it weren't for this guy having his job on Duck Dynasty and spewing homophobic and racist remarks. This dialogue never really even goes away, it just occasionally comes to a head when some big news article breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I did not propose that laws should force Duck Dynasty off the air as a result of the comments.

    I do however condemn A&E for, by default, supporting these views through putting money and a paycheck behind someone obviously watched and related to by millions of Americans voicing these views on their network in their program with no consequence. And I do hold them as being partially responsible for enabling/empowering homophobic viewpoints in so doing, even though their only concern is financial and even though he has the "first amendment right" to any viewpoint he wanted. But him having it on national airwaves on their dime makes them partially responsible for the shaping of attitudes in the greater mainstream, no matter how much they or anyone would try to argue that's not the case.

    Firing someone as an employee or spokesperson because they voiced controversial, discriminatory or racist personal opinions while under your pay or reflecting on you is not a violation of freedom of speech. Nor did I propose any restriction on freedom of speech. There are five million of this guy from Duck Dynasty sharing his views all over the internet, facebook and message board forums and news article comment areas--- 50 million maybe. So I disagree with your supposition that this dialogue can't be had or wouldn't be happening if it weren't for this guy having his job on Duck Dynasty and spewing homophobic and racist remarks. This dialogue never really even goes away, it just occasionally comes to a head when some big news article breaks.
    My bottom line of course is defending free speech and I absolutely HATE that people like Palin, Cruz, Jindal, Huckabee...and all the rest of those nutjobs...are defining this as a matter of free speech when the real issue should be attacking the message...and if we allow them to define the battle as one of free speech the message gets lost.

    I resent that the far right has successfully defined so many things in the past 12 years and I prefer not to help them.....

    As far as the dialogue...I prefer to attack the message and let the messenger be who he is. I realize that the people who believe as he do will ALWAYS believe as he does but it is the other people who maybe are open that have a chance to see the vile comments and evolve on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    My bottom line of course is defending free speech and I absolutely HATE that people like Palin, Cruz, Jindal, Huckabee...and all the rest of those nutjobs...are defining this as a matter of free speech when the real issue should be attacking the message...and if we allow them to define the battle as one of free speech the message gets lost.

    I resent that the far right has successfully defined so many things in the past 12 years and I prefer not to help them.....

    As far as the dialogue...I prefer to attack the message and let the messenger be who he is. I realize that the people who believe as he do will ALWAYS believe as he does but it is the other people who maybe are open that have a chance to see the vile comments and evolve on the issue.
    I do understand that point of view. I also can easily imagine the flipside, where some gay guy works in an office where all of his coworkers watch Duck Dynasty in some craphole in Kentucky or something, and the message from this whole fiasco now is "what he said was no big deal, just some liberals got their panties in a twist over it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    My bottom line of course is defending free speech
    There is an enormous difference between defending free speech and defending the people who hide behind it. It's a double whammy when they combine it with religion and hide behind both. Religion is an opinion, but many Christians believe it is the ONLY opinion which matters. They are quick to use their freedoms of speech and religion, but they are just as quick to deny those same rights to those who don't 'meet their standards'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I do understand that point of view. I also can easily imagine the flipside, where some gay guy works in an office where all of his coworkers watch Duck Dynasty in some craphole in Kentucky or something, and the message from this whole fiasco now is "what he said was no big deal, just some liberals got their panties in a twist over it."
    I do understand your point as well and I don't necessarily disagree....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    There is an enormous difference between defending free speech and defending the people who hide behind it. It's a double whammy when they combine it with religion and hide behind both. Religion is an opinion, but many Christians believe it is the ONLY opinion which matters. They are quick to use their freedoms of speech and religion, but they are just as quick to deny those same rights to those who don't 'meet their standards'.
    I am in no way defending what they say...I am defending their right to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    ... reinforce the cultural attitude that LGBT prejudice is perfectly tolerable and should be on television...
    It was never on television. It was a magazine interview.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ... someone having views like these, expressing them publicly/on-air, and having them tacitly supported via a church or network paying them money to be on the air voicing them...
    Once again, it wasn't on air it was in an interview. And brought up by the interviewer. He was not being paid for his opinion on gays.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I do however condemn A&E for, by default, supporting these views through putting money and a paycheck behind someone... voicing these views on their network in their program with no consequence... But him having it on national airwaves on their dime
    Not A&E's network, or their program. These opinions wer eonly voiced in an interview, where Phil was asked about his views on the subject.

    And yet, let's just fly off the handle and look for someone to roast. Phil, A&E, whoever we need to. Someone needs to be blamed. We demand blood.

    I have a hard time seeing the seriousness of an issue in which so many don't even know simple facts...

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    Not A&E's network, or their program. These opinions were only voiced in an interview, where Phil was asked about his views on the subject.

    And yet, let's just fly off the handle and look for someone to roast. Phil, A&E, whoever we need to. Someone needs to be blamed. We demand blood.

    I have a hard time seeing the seriousness of an issue in which so many don't even know simple facts...
    Yes. I will roast someone making money off someone they put into a nationally televised show who is happily spouting off rhetoric lumping gays or blacks with terrorists in every interview or appearance they're making while milking their 15 minutes of fame, especially if that's part of the overall image they're profiting off of. This show is capitalizing off these guys being rednecks.

    The problem with this is what, exactly? Your nitpick changed what about this discussion, exactly? Nothing.

    I guess you haven't paid attention much if you think that only things people say or do while actually being broadcast on a TV show can or should ever impact their professional lives as public figures, whether we're talking about actors or anyone else. Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, Tom Cruise anyone?

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    I think some people here lead sheltered lives.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    You don't get a pass on your ignorance just because you invoke your holy book or religion to back it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paintact View Post
    You don't get a pass on your ignorance just because you invoke your holy book or religion to back it up.
    I think of ignorance as just not knowing any better. Like when straight people don't really understand how gay couples work or ask something like "so ... like, is someone the woman or..?"

    What this guy said was more clearly on the bigot side, rather than the ignorance side imo.

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    Btw, the bearded wonder HAS made disgusting racist, sexist and homophobic comments on TV, just not this latest one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Yes. I will roast someone making money off someone they put into a nationally televised show who is happily spouting off rhetoric lumping gays or blacks with terrorists in every interview or appearance they're making while milking their 15 minutes of fame, especially if that's part of the overall image they're profiting off of. This show is capitalizing off these guys being rednecks.

    The problem with this is what, exactly? Your nitpick changed what about this discussion, exactly? Nothing.

    I guess you haven't paid attention much if you think that only things people say or do while actually being broadcast on a TV show can or should ever impact their professional lives as public figures, whether we're talking about actors or anyone else. Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, Tom Cruise anyone?

    No. What bothers me is that you seem to think that an argument which is based on such a lack of caring for actual information, facts, and rational thought, is one not only worth having, but one worth blowing into some big 'scandal' or 'rights movement'.

    Your post criticized A&E specifically for the fact that they aired these views on their program and their network. When I mention that they're not, you're next post fails to even acknowledge this wrongful blame. You just go on to blow things out of proportion.

    First paragraph: ' Happily spouting off rhetoric' and 'Every appearance' are at best an exaggeration, at worst a bold faced lie. Have you bothered to check out even five minutes of him ON the show? Or maybe look into something ABOUT him aside from his current infamy? Did you know anything about him before he was "a homophobe"?

    Final paragraph: Right sorry. I guess I missed the part where Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise, and Charlie Sheen (read: big time hollywood names) were comparable to someone "milking their 15 minutes of fame".

    I'm sorry that I'd rather look beyond my own biases, and take a look at someone else's point of view before deeming them an immoral and corrupt human. Maybe it does make me sheltered, but I always thought that's what we wanted them to give us... I just thought y'know "do unto others" is the GOLDEN rule afterall *shrug*

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    I am in no way defending what they say...I am defending their right to say it.
    I will always hate this statement.

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