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    Quote Originally Posted by roadtripboy View Post
    btw.....The Better Business Bureau gives Duck Commander an F rating.
    With good cause. They know how to make duck calls, but they don't know how to run a business dealing with people.

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    The gist of the conversation wasn't them defending what he said, it was how horrible the gays were for ruining his career -....

    Just in case anyone is interested in the resolution of this sordid and petty little spat - I didn't go home - I'm not leaving and if we have to have that same atmosphere of pins and needles and no one looking at the elephant in the corner - that I survived it when I was coming out - so be it; I'm not running now.
    Ruin his career? He could retire right now and never have to work another day in his life.

    Good for not running. Family is too valuable to lose unless they walk out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And I also don't think I've ever seen or heard of a gay person trying to censor religion... To make comparisons between our outrage at pulpit-spewed hatred and the canning of that lowlife is simply absurd.
    You must have very selective vision or memory to be able to say that on JUB.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

    People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.


    And we'll get rid of hidden racism about the time you can't walk down a street in America and see fewer than three skin colors -- in the cities, five or more.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

    I've been saying this for years on the topic of this idiocy known as "Duck Dynasty", the US is will continue to have a catharsis of its willfully ignorant bigotry. However, this ought to include the domestic LGBTs with covert racial aversion towards their social interactions towards their fellow peers of color (i.e. non-whites).

    It seems every since Barack Obama has been a major force on the political scene (circa late 2007), outright racial animus (particularly anti-black American) has been the "in" thing to do in the many colorful and creative ways one can do think of without be tagged a "racist". On homophobia/biphobia/transphobia, this has been continuously "in" since being LGBT still isn't considered "natural" to a number of obtuse morons that refuse to partake in self-awareness of themselves so that is a hopeless faction of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

    People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.
    Quoted for truth! I am totally disgusted by the position of "oh, we are just alienating them that way, we should roll with it and just discuss." Bullshit. NO social change has EVER happened by the minority staying quiet so as not to anger the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musik2400 View Post
    And by gays he hurts, you mean offend right? Because the thought that the personal opinion of some reality tv icon who's wholly unaware of our existences on this planet, could cause actual pain is a bit laughable. To me it reads: work on your self worth. Aside from that, his need to feel superior affects us in no way, so why should it bother us so much.
    What's laughable, is the ignorance exhibited in this post. People with audience who spew hatred openly are catalysts for bigotry that leads to very real emotional and physical abuse. There is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of teen suicides are gay, there is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of homeless kids are gay. If you think that public figures inciting hatred has nothing to do with it, then I envy you your ivory tower.
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    Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Since when did A & E represent anything other than crass commercial exploitation?
    Since before Dog the Bounty Hunter. There was a time when it was 'artsy' and 'entertaining'. They actually broadcast quality programming. Dog brought an end to that, and when A&E dropped Columbo, Law & Order, Murder She Wrote, and other such programmes to make room for 'reality TV', I stopped watching it. Ditto for TLC.

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    Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Since before Dog the Bounty Hunter. There was a time when it was 'artsy' and 'entertaining'. They actually broadcast quality programming. Dog brought an end to that, and when A&E dropped Columbo, Law & Order, Murder She Wrote, and other such programmes to make room for 'reality TV', I stopped watching it. Ditto for TLC.
    I remember when A&E was a pretty dependable place to switch to when other channels seemed to have nothing on. Now I'd almost rather watch infomercials.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions....
    And this good woman got rid of alcoholism. Right minded people shut down the bars and destroyed the freedom to have open alcoholism.





    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Nation

    Did she succeed in her quest?

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    Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    What utter nonsense.

    There are all kinds of "reality" shows on television, featuring the gamut of morons from the Kardashians to Jersey Shore to Survivor. None of them inform us how to live or think. They are the modern day equal of P.T. Barnum's freak shows. Look, a bearded woman. Look, a fat man. Look a dumbass backwards WOP/Coonass/Wal-Mart person.

    Shows like Duck Dynasty just pander to the low in people, and the viewers are both low-born and high, and some identify with the characters and some love to look down on them.

    There is nothing for the "combined forces" to defeat in such a lame show. "Legitimized" can mean several things -- it could mean tolerated or not banned, or it could mean given a stamp of approval by an authority. Since when did A & E represent anything other than crass commercial exploitation?

    For the record, the bigoted views ARE legitimate views within society as they represent a sector. That doesn't make them right. Those in the gay world who talk about hooking up in public restrooms are legitimate in that they represent a certain sector. They can still be very wrong.

    "Our interests" are in the truth being out there, and out there in a variety of ways. Gay men are depicted much more accurately today, are seeing a much more accepting attitude from an ever-growing percentage of the population. Having a redneck be the mouthpiece for the the homophobes couldn't be a better windfall for gays and blacks. It is the equal of Ted Nugent on gun control.
    Feel free to live in denial if you want, but don't come crying to me in 2016 if Ted Cruz winds up as President.

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    Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

    Please inform us Pat, what is the benefit to society of tolerated, open racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Please inform us Pat, what is the benefit to society of tolerated, open racism.
    What is the benefit of one section of a society FORCING other members of a society to think as they do.


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    Anyone is free to retreat back into their little shack in the mountains and heap as much personal hate on other races as they like, Pat. Their ability to come down into a classroom or office building and do the same thing in mixed company is not as tolerated because then it is they trying to force their way of thinking onto people it will negatively impact.

    One wonders if your sympathy for the oppressed racist extends to sympathy for extreme-branch Muslims unable to impose their views onto a larger society as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    ... The Fundamentalists are fond of arguing slippery slope theories of this leads to that. ...
    Yes they use the Reductio ad absurdum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    How convenient. Wave a spectre of your imaginary future rather than reality. The Fundamentalists are fond of arguing slippery slope theories of this leads to that. Good company you keep there. Bad syllogism. Bad argument.
    If you say so. You're the one who wants the brave new world where every opinion is tolerated and given equal treatment. Who knows where your crazy world will end up.

    It's predictable that we've grown so accustomed to a Democrat in the White House that the most popular TV show in America right now can be a bunch of Bible-thumping rednecks and we think that will have no affect on politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Hatred and not accepting another lifestyle are two different things. Plenty of people do not understand or accept gays, but they aren't actively teaching hate nor do they treat gays with hatred.
    Plenty of these people have kids and are teaching these beliefs to them by just being their Parents. And those kids could past those beliefs to other children around them or their own kids later in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    And this good woman got rid of alcoholism. Right minded people shut down the bars and destroyed the freedom to have open alcoholism.

    Did she succeed in her quest?
    Alcoholics and civil rights activists.

    Yeah

    Classy comparison Pat, but then look who I am talking to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    ...Classy comparison...
    The principle is the same. The elite telling the proletariat what to do and think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The principle is the same. The elite telling the proletariat what to do and think.
    Is that how Australians got away with poisoning Aborigine wells and abducting their children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    Plenty of these people have kids and are teaching these beliefs to them by just being their Parents. ….
    I agree with you. Criminals, second-generation welfare recipients and those parents with more than 5 offspring should be silently disinseminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Is that how Australians got away with poisoning Aborigine wells ..
    You have been listening to propaganda from the Irish-Australian lobby. Statistics show that any conflict occurred without government supervision and over 170 years ago.

    Besides that conflict was 1% compared to the extent of the conflict in North America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The principle is the same. The elite telling the proletariat what to do and think.
    This.

    I'm totally fine with racists and homophobes and everybody else spouting their views, even from the loudest pulpits, to the largest audiences possible. Because stamping out those voices doesn't give the impression that these views are wrong. It gives the impression that these views are DANGEROUS. Which leads to people becoming interested in them. The forbidden fruit factor and all that.

    The proper response to voices espousing racism and homophobia and all else isn't to ban them out right - it's to counter them. To explain why those vantage points are wrong. I mean, you CAN do that, can't you? Because if you can't, maybe you need to take another look at your stances.

    From the start, I've said the right move here isn't to kick the guy off the show. It's to send a busload of gays up to visit them, and film a two-hour "special" episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I agree with you. Criminals, second-generation welfare recipients and those parents with more than 5 offspring should be silently disinseminated.
    Nothing like a little Christmastime genocidally racist viewpoint exchanging.

    What's in your stocking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    This.

    I'm totally fine with racists and homophobes and everybody else spouting their views, even from the loudest pulpits, to the largest audiences possible. Because stamping out those voices doesn't give the impression that these views are wrong. It gives the impression that these views are DANGEROUS. Which leads to people becoming interested in them. The forbidden fruit factor and all that.
    So when one kid calls a black kid a ni**** in class, the teacher should do nothing because you are giving it the appeal of the forbidden. Nor should the class expect or react or pressure the kid out of calling him that. That would make a civil society, wouldn't it?

    Maybe you don't realize that what you're saying people "should do" shifts all of the constant burden onto a few groups of people who apparently have the obligation now to sit and have a long debate every single time they experience open and freely tolerated hate or racist rhetoric directed at their group, and perhaps you also overestimate the degree to which anyone calmly trying to talk someone out of that has any effect.

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    People actually caring about this incident…I don't know. Does anyone actually watch their show? I don't want to come off as a pompous ass, but I have zero time for that shit, or any reality television these days. Yet from the little that I've read the guy *apparently* claims to be educated with a degree, which stuns me. Is there really such disparity in education down there? Yikes.

    But if your relatives are pissing you off enough, watch some George Carlin comedy specials online. He makes everything better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    This.

    I'm totally fine with racists and homophobes and everybody else spouting their views, even from the loudest pulpits, to the largest audiences possible. Because stamping out those voices doesn't give the impression that these views are wrong. It gives the impression that these views are DANGEROUS. Which leads to people becoming interested in them. The forbidden fruit factor and all that.

    The proper response to voices espousing racism and homophobia and all else isn't to ban them out right - it's to counter them. To explain why those vantage points are wrong. I mean, you CAN do that, can't you? Because if you can't, maybe you need to take another look at your stances.

    From the start, I've said the right move here isn't to kick the guy off the show. It's to send a busload of gays up to visit them, and film a two-hour "special" episode.

    Lex
    And the culturally reinforced stereotypes responsible for homeless LGBT youth, 40% of homeless youth in fact.

    You are fine with that as well I suppose?

    God you people are so fucking naive. How old are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So when one kid calls a black kid a ni**** in class, the teacher should do nothing because you are giving it the appeal of the forbidden. Nor should the class expect or react or pressure the kid out of calling him that. That would make a civil society, wouldn't it?

    Maybe you don't realize that what you're saying people "should do" shifts all of the constant burden onto a few groups of people who apparently have the obligation now to sit and have a long debate every single time they experience open and freely tolerated hate or racist rhetoric directed at their group, and perhaps you also overestimate the degree to which anyone calmly trying to talk someone out of that has any effect.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    People actually caring about this incident…I don't know. Does anyone actually watch their show?
    If I remember correctly, it's somewhere around 14 million people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Nothing like a little ..
    I never mentioned the 'r word'

    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    ... People really have selective reading problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...What's in your stocking?
    We're all barefoot or wearing thongs over here

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post

    This.

    I'm totally fine with racists and homophobes and everybody else spouting their views, even from the loudest pulpits, to the largest audiences possible. Because stamping out those voices doesn't give the impression that these views are wrong. It gives the impression that these views are DANGEROUS. Which leads to people becoming interested in them. The forbidden fruit factor and all that.

    The proper response to voices espousing racism and homophobia and all else isn't to ban them out right - it's to counter them. To explain why those vantage points are wrong. I mean, you CAN do that, can't you? Because if you can't, maybe you need to take another look at your stances.

    From the start, I've said the right move here isn't to kick the guy off the show. It's to send a busload of gays up to visit them, and film a two-hour "special" episode.

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    Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

    All the people who say he's just expressing his right to freedom of speech are basically just saying "I agree with him 100%! Rake those fags over the coals!"

    You can use this to tell who's a homophobe and who isn't... just like the pink and red Human Rights Campaign logo... all the people who posted pink and red crosses and straight couple silhouettes were the sort of people you probably shouldn't be coming out to.

    Also, huhuhuh huhuh, Fuck Dynasty! Huhuh hehehehe huhuh huh huhuh hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaskGuy View Post
    All the people who say he's just expressing his right to freedom of speech are basically just saying "I agree with him 100%! Rake those fags over the coals!"
    Joseph McCarthy would have loved you.

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    ^^ Oh, because it's a sign of self-loathing and homophobia if a gay man thinks it's okay for someone to hate them on principle of their sexuality? Please. You're joking, right? Let's get more liberal hogwash into the fray -- we need more silliness to read. If someone wants to be a hateful fuck toward me, whether I'm hispanic/Hindu/gay, I am 100% okay with it as it's their constitutional right to within reason. Democracy in action folks. Let's all head off into LaLa-Land where everyone loves everyone and we can all sing Kumbayah and unicorns can frolic around us while we endlessly compliment one another. Riiiiight. 'Cause that's a reality worth striving for.

    The man is more than entitled to his opinion. It's a sticky situation for A&E as - despite probably being contractually obligated into one of those absurd "morality clauses" - his family is still selling their brand separate from A&E's. A little hard to punish a group of people already making millions off their own products, who could more than afford to switch networks and make A&E lose millions. I would not be surprised if they hop networks and rebrand themselves alongside their own material (as they're currently doing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Seriously?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    And the culturally reinforced stereotypes responsible for homeless LGBT youth, 40% of homeless youth in fact.

    You are fine with that as well I suppose?

    God you people are so fucking naive. How old are you?
    OK, where are all these places where I say I'm posting things about loving having gay runaways? I said contrary positions need to be countered, not surpressed. Which is why the proper response to Mr Duck Guy's comments wasn't to ban them (although nobody seems to have trouble with the magazine that printed them, which is how his "message" got out). It's to send the bus of gays to visit the clan, and interact with them. Because that puts our vantage point in front of the faces of those who hold these backwards opinions. Rather than saying "you can't say gays are bad", you put a bunch of gays in front of them and let them find out for themselves that we're just like everybody else.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So when one kid calls a black kid a ni**** in class, the teacher should do nothing because you are giving it the appeal of the forbidden. Nor should the class expect or react or pressure the kid out of calling him that. That would make a civil society, wouldn't it?
    Where did I say the teacher should do nothing? I said the simple and complete banning or suppression of viewpoints is wrong. And I further said that the proper response is to offer the counter-argument. I have no trouble with teachers deciding that "the n word" or "the f word" or "the r word" aren't allowed in class, but they'd best explain why rather than simply announce that they're "not welcome".

    Maybe you don't realize that what you're saying people "should do" shifts all of the constant burden onto a few groups of people who apparently have the obligation now to sit and have a long debate every single time they experience open and freely tolerated hate or racist rhetoric directed at their group, and perhaps you also overestimate the degree to which anyone calmly trying to talk someone out of that has any effect.
    So instead of explaining WHY their opinions are wrong, we should just say "Fuck you - you're too stupid to get it"? And just wait until they magically figure it out on their own? People haven't come around to the idea of homosexuals in their midst because some evil clouds lifted, and they suddenly saw the light and went "oh, I get it now". They got it because people challenged their beliefs. And yes, I'd say it's our obligation. You want the rights, you're gonna have to work for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    OK, where are all these places where I say I'm posting things about loving having gay runaways?
    Surely you are intelligent enough to connect the dots between hate speech and consequences.

    Or maybe not...

    I said the simple and complete banning or suppression of viewpoints is wrong.
    And you are exactly the type of gay in the 97% who has never donated time or money to a gay cause in his life, and instead you sit there in your computer chair preaching to the world how progress is really made when you haven't ever actually done it yourself. It shows because you don't have a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Surely you are intelligent enough to connect the dots between hate speech and consequences. Or maybe not...

    And you are exactly the type of gay in the 97% who has never donated time or money to a gay cause in his life, and instead you sit there in your computer chair preaching to the world how progress is really made when you haven't ever actually done it yourself. It shows because you don't have a clue.
    Your sketch of me is pretty fascinating so far. Let's see what else you can get right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post

    Your sketch of me is pretty fascinating so far. Let's see what else you can get right.

    Lex
    Translation: "you're totally right and I have nothing to respond, so I'll hide behind irony."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Translation: "you're totally right and I have nothing to respond, so I'll hide behind irony."
    Sure, let's add that to the picture, too. Let's see what we have - young, naive, unintelligent, never-done-a-thing-for-gay-rights, and uses humor when he's been shamed into being shown how wrong he is. Anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Where did I say the teacher should do nothing? I said the simple and complete banning or suppression of viewpoints is wrong. And I further said that the proper response is to offer the counter-argument. I have no trouble with teachers deciding that "the n word" or "the f word" or "the r word" aren't allowed in class, but they'd best explain why rather than simply announce that they're "not welcome".
    And that's exactly what A&E did.

    So what are we here discussing, exactly?

    The guy can have any backwards, racist viewpoint he wants. Whether or not he's entitled to a camera and spotlight being provided by a company that presumably makes a living off ad space and marketshare is not a contingency of his right to hold racist views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    And, Buzzer, comparing a school kid calling his neighbor "nigger" isn't even closely related to the adult world. Kids can't drive, drink, smoke, vote, or many other things that are adult prerogatives. Of course a teacher isn't going to teach it, but Duck Dynasty isn't a teaching scenario and it doesn't have the obligation to espouse morality. And, the Robertson guy didn't call names -- he just voiced a couple of backward opinions.
    A civil adult world and a civil classroom would spurn those viewpoints for precisely the same reason; they're provocative and illogical and based off an individual's irrational prejudices and not off anything that could be meaningfully discussed or from which anyone could construct a meaningful dialogue. Of course, Pat might disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    See, that's just the thing. Phil Robertson isn't the ignoramus he pretends to be. He actually has a masters degree. As a matter of fact he's something of a college football legend since Terry Bradshaw played second to him. He turned down an offer to play for the Washington Redskins because according to him he wanted to hunt instead of play football.
    Ignorant and stupid aren't always the same thing. An educated person can still be ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    What's laughable, is the ignorance exhibited in this post. People with audience who spew hatred openly are catalysts for bigotry that leads to very real emotional and physical abuse. There is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of teen suicides are gay, there is a reason for why a disproportionate amount of homeless kids are gay. If you think that public figures inciting hatred has nothing to do with it, then I envy you your ivory tower.
    But he's not a 'public figure'. He is one man, who's life we videotape for entertainment. In 10 years, no one will remember who he is, what he did, or what he said. His opinions are inconsequential, because we don't put him on tv for his opinion. We put him on because his backwoods redneck ways are entertaining. It'd be more accurate to think of him as a fictional character.

    Now, those who ARE famous/in the media based on their opinions, and what they say (politicians, activists, etc.)... those are public figures. Those are the people who should be held accountable for their opinions, because that's what we want from them.

    All anyone wants from Phil Robertson is for his redneck antics to entertain viewers. That should be all he has to give us.

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    If he is kept off the show, I'd say there's better than an even chance that Wayne LaPierre will invite him to speak at the next NRA national convention.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musik2400 View Post
    But he's not a 'public figure'. He is one man, who's life we videotape for entertainment.
    That's right, he takes money for being in front of a camera for view by millions.

    That makes him a public figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    And that's exactly what A&E did.

    So what are we here discussing, exactly?

    The guy can have any backwards, racist viewpoint he wants. Whether or not he's entitled to a camera and spotlight being provided by a company that presumably makes a living off ad space and marketshare is not a contingency of his right to hold racist views.
    Well, the analogy breaks down somewhere. After all, this guy didn't espouse his views on homosexuality on the TV program - he did so in the magazine. If the analogy held, it'd be like a teacher kicking a student out for what he said in some other class, or at home. But I don't think that really applies.

    Here's the thing, though. I'm not arguing A&E's right to kick the guy off the show. I'm not convinced it's the best move, but they're entirely within their rights to do so. But why do we even know this guy's backwards views? Why do we all know what he said? Because this interviewer asked him, and his magazine published his response. (There's apparently other video evidence from outside the confines of the show, but it was the printed interview that brought it to everybody's attention.) But if what was said is tantamount to hate speech, certainly the magazine should be considered culpable for printing it. But I haven't seen any righteous indignation tossed their way. If anything, people sem happy that the magazine "revealed the guy's true colors".

    So, a sincere question: Would it have been better if the magazine had NOT printed that part? It would've meant millions of people would not have heard his backward views, but it would also have meant the guy kept his job, and none the wiser.

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    Yeah, it would have been better. This isn't about some cosmic justice, this is about the atmosphere created in the media. Bigots have always held, hold and will hold good jobs, and the point is not really to take those away from them. It's to create an environment where openly hating on any group of people is simply not ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Well, the analogy breaks down somewhere. After all, this guy didn't espouse his views on homosexuality on the TV program - he did so in the magazine. If the analogy held, it'd be like a teacher kicking a student out for what he said in some other class, or at home. But I don't think that really applies.

    Here's the thing, though. I'm not arguing A&E's right to kick the guy off the show. I'm not convinced it's the best move, but they're entirely within their rights to do so. But why do we even know this guy's backwards views? Why do we all know what he said? Because this interviewer asked him, and his magazine published his response. (There's apparently other video evidence from outside the confines of the show, but it was the printed interview that brought it to everybody's attention.) But if what was said is tantamount to hate speech, certainly the magazine should be considered culpable for printing it. But I haven't seen any righteous indignation tossed their way. If anything, people sem happy that the magazine "revealed the guy's true colors".

    So, a sincere question: Would it have been better if the magazine had NOT printed that part? It would've meant millions of people would not have heard his backward views, but it would also have meant the guy kept his job, and none the wiser.

    Lex
    Your question implies that I feel such views should be squashed and censored and never allowed to be mentioned, printed or reported. My position is that the only constructive or meaningful response to people holding these views openly is to do exactly as A&E has done. You're not going to calmly debate these people out of their viewpoint, and you're not going to make people more educated about race by trying to fight with them, and you aren't going to take away whatever credence people may feel these viewpoints have by airing them publicly and then trying to debate every uneducated redneck who cheers them on. The most effective response is to show that there is no room in civil society for these viewpoints whether that's by chucking the rabid racist out of the workplace or his congressional seat or his A&E contract or whatever else.

    When you give these people a pulpit or a public presence and there's no repercussion for these types of views regardless of "where" they were spouted you're legitimizing them as something perfectly fine, and they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Yeah, it would have been better. This isn't about some cosmic justice, this is about the atmosphere created in the media. Bigots have always held, hold and will hold good jobs, and the point is not really to take those away from them. It's to create an environment where openly hating on any group of people is simply not ok.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    You quoted me but didn't say anything..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You quoted me but didn't say anything..
    I said this:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    And, Buzzer, comparing a school kid calling his neighbor "nigger" isn't even closely related to the adult world. Kids can't drive, drink, smoke, vote, or many other things that are adult prerogatives. Of course a teacher isn't going to teach it, but Duck Dynasty isn't a teaching scenario and it doesn't have the obligation to espouse morality. And, the Robertson guy didn't call names -- he just voiced a couple of backward opinions.
    To many people, anyone in the spotlight is an authority figure, so it is a teaching situation -- just not a formal one.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    This fool can say what he wants (and NO ONE has said otherwise,) then so can I and so can everyone else and there IS NOT ONE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES of being a racist, misogynistic, homophobic ASSWIPE!!!!!!

    He tossed hate, he gets no pass.

    So long as no one is bashing him - fuck him and the horse he rode on on.

    Period, end of story, that's all she wrote.


    To those of you who commented about it - history has proven there is a correlation between hate speech and hate CRIME!

    I wonder how happy you'd be crucified to a fence by homophobes who think that's perfectly fine - because some preacher told them you were non human trash who deserved to die.

    Constitutional right to say what you like and all that - except not, you have NO right to speech that incites.
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    That speech sounded like an inciteful speech to me.

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    …incite...

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