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    Re: The theft of an economy

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    In retrospect, what do you consider to be heavy industry’s most-major mistake(s)?
    Unions alway demand too mush People pursue their own self interest, and want more. So they continually demand more from the employer. If unions do not demand more and get more members drop out to avoid the huge dues. Then bosses lose their big salaries. At the end of WWII the US had a near monopoly in many heavy industries. Autos, shipbuilding, radios, farm equipment. Unions get big wages and their companies could not compete..

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    Re: The theft of an economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Unions [always] demand too [much] …

    Unions get big wages and their companies could not compete..
    You can argue that unions also have problems, but my question was in relation to what heavy industry itself did wrong (if anything).



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    Re: The theft of an economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Unions alway demand too mush People pursue their own self interest, and want more. So they continually demand more from the employer. If unions do not demand more and get more members drop out to avoid the huge dues. Then bosses lose their big salaries. At the end of WWII the US had a near monopoly in many heavy industries. Autos, shipbuilding, radios, farm equipment. Unions get big wages and their companies could not compete..
    Actually what we're seeing right now and what's more relevant to the modern picture is private corporations doing what you're saying unions do--- and your solution to it is "ban immigrants."

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    Re: The theft of an economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Unions alway demand too mush People pursue their own self interest, and want more. So they continually demand more from the employer. If unions do not demand more and get more members drop out to avoid the huge dues. Then bosses lose their big salaries. At the end of WWII the US had a near monopoly in many heavy industries. Autos, shipbuilding, radios, farm equipment. Unions get big wages and their companies could not compete..
    Unions had virtually nothing to do with that. Both the engineers I know and all the industrial engineering students I knew at OSU learned the truth of it: US industries had long known how to better run things, but didn't feel they needed to. The methods they ought to have been using were written up in journals and published in books, but industry leaders were arrogant and ignored the "theorists", despite the fact that the theory was based on observations of their own factories. But after WW II, the Japanese and many others realized that it was US industry that had beaten them. Without stopping to look at the inefficient methods that industry had used, they grabbed all the books and journal articles and set up their businesses accordingly. Within a short period of time, using what Americans knew but capitalists were too arrogant and so ignored it, they caught up ad overtook US industry.

    My sister the quality control industrial engineer was still telling stories of how American industry was still just beginning to implement some of the methods the Japanese and others adopted after the war -- right up to the end of the millennium.

    If anything, the unions were arrogant because the capitalist business owners and executives were insanely arrogant. The truth is that had US executives followed the expertise of those who had been studying US industry, manufacturing workers could have been paid half again what capitalists consider destructive wages and still doubled their profits.
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