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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

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    You brought up race -- Bob merely stated where Jindal is from.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

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    ‘Duck Dynasty’ and Quackery

    by Charles Blow, NYT 12/21/2013

    Source Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/op...-quackery.html

    Then, in 1890, the State Legislature passed the Separate Car Act, which stipulated that all railway companies in the state “shall provide equal but separate accommodations for the white, and colored races” in their coaches. The landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case was a Louisiana case challenging that law. The United States Supreme Court upheld the law, a ruling that provided the underpinning for state-sponsored racial segregation, and Jim Crow laws spread.
    It may be worth noting that Plessy v. Ferguson was repealed by Brown v Board of Education (1954) making "separate by equal" unconstitutional.*

    Robertson’s comments conjure the insidious mythology of historical Southern fiction, that of contented slave and benevolent master, of the oppressed and the oppressors gleefully abiding the oppression, happily accepting their wildly variant social stations. This mythology posits that there were two waves of ruination for Southern culture, the Civil War and the civil rights movement*, that made blacks get upset and things go downhill.
    Forcibly removing Blacks from their homeland did not make them upset? Also, public lynchings didn't make them upset either? Certainly he jests.

    *Please see "equal protection under law" as stated in the U.S. Constitution.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Very good sociological profile of Phil Robertson's defenders.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/44887...&ir=Gay+Voices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Very good sociological profile of Phil Robertson's defenders.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/44887...&ir=Gay+Voices
    Very similar to how people look at the Target credit card hacking --- a thread here shows sorry and support for Target -- however if the same thing happened at Walmart there would be condemnations of Walmart galore.

    We live in a very divided society.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Very similar to how people look at the Target credit card hacking --- a thread here shows sorry and support for Target -- however if the same thing happened at Walmart there would be condemnations of Walmart galore.

    We live in a very divided society.
    You really will do literally ANYTHING in an attempt to shift the narrative, won't you?

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Making a comparison.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
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    I know...by the content of his character.

    Anthropologically speaking, dwellers of the Indian Subcontinent are regarded as Caucasian.
    So what's your point? George Hamilton, internationally known actor has a complexion darker than Payush's. Does that make Hamilton a member of a minority (other than has-been shit actors)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    VIDEO: Duck Dynasty Star Says Gay People are Evil* Murderers
    Is Mr. Robertson including gay human sacrifice?

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    The GOVERNMENT did nothing to curtail his right of free speech. THAT is what the First Amendment is all about - making governmental control of free speech unConstitutional. Corporations are allowed to control speech in the workplace, or speech that may effect the work or the company in any way. If you work for a large defense contractor, try to openly organize a large protest about how that company's drones are killing civilians all over Asia and Africa. See how long you stay employed at that company.

    The entire U. S. (and those States involved as well) government is absolutely silent on this controversy, as the First Amendment says. The farthest the government can go toward curtailing free speech would be for President Obama, John Boehner, Harry Reed, Gov. Pat Brown, Ted Cruz, or some other very high profile politician (or aspirant) to make a statement criticizing or condemning Robertson's statements. Such statement has no legal standing whatsoever, unless it were to cross over into slander or libel. Of course, as we know, there are some people on my short list would not have that view, but that's not the point.

    It can safely be said that among all those condemning A&E's decision (as violation of "free speech" despite no government involvement), the percentage of Republicans (fully, or leaning toward) is guaranteed to be higher than Democrats. I THOUGHT THAT REPUBLICANS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE *AGAINST* TELLING COMPANIES HOW TO DO BUSINESS.

    There may be laws in employment such as ENDA and OSHA guidelines, but there are no laws absolutely guaranteeing free speech without the employer being allowed to exercise the consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Dwight David Eisenhower - racist statement
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy - racist statement
    Lyndon Baines Johnson - racist statement
    Richard Milhaus Nixon - racist statement
    Gerald Rudolph Ford - racist statement
    James Earl Carter - racist statement
    Ronald Wilson Reagan - racist statement
    William Jefferson Clinton - racist statement
    George Walker Bush - racist statement

    We should show more respect to our former presidents.
    Uh...you forgot one. Four years between Reagan and Clinton...
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Is Mr. Robertson including gay human sacrifice?
    Pat Robertson maybe.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    The GOVERNMENT did nothing to curtail his right of free speech. THAT is what the First Amendment is all about - making governmental control of free speech unConstitutional. Corporations are allowed to control speech in the workplace, or speech that may effect the work or the company in any way. If you work for a large defense contractor, try to openly organize a large protest about how that company's drones are killing civilians all over Asia and Africa. See how long you stay employed at that company.

    The entire U. S. (and those States involved as well) government is absolutely silent on this controversy, as the First Amendment says. The farthest the government can go toward curtailing free speech would be for President Obama, John Boehner, Harry Reed, Gov. Pat Brown, Ted Cruz, or some other very high profile politician (or aspirant) to make a statement criticizing or condemning Robertson's statements. Such statement has no legal standing whatsoever, unless it were to cross over into slander or libel. Of course, as we know, there are some people on my short list would not have that view, but that's not the point.

    It can safely be said that among all those condemning A&E's decision (as violation of "free speech" despite no government involvement), the percentage of Republicans (fully, or leaning toward) is guaranteed to be higher than Democrats. I THOUGHT THAT REPUBLICANS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE *AGAINST* TELLING COMPANIES HOW TO DO BUSINESS.

    There may be laws in employment such as ENDA and OSHA guidelines, but there are no laws absolutely guaranteeing free speech without the employer being allowed to exercise the consequences.


    Uh...you forgot one. Four years between Reagan and Clinton...
    1. I forgot.
    2. I have no idea.
    3. I wasn't in the loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    1. I forgot.
    2. I have no idea.
    3. I wasn't in the loop.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...e_view_desktop

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    SNL's Seth Green got a laugh when he said, looking at Phil Robertson,
    "Sometimes you can tell a book by it's cover"
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I don't know of any benevolent murderers
    Well, lots of people have been killed "for the greater good" (I'm thinking of witch burnings and the like), so I suppose in their own minds they were benevolent murderers.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonny10305 View Post
    SNL's Seth Green got a laugh when he said, looking at Phil Robertson,
    "Sometimes you can tell a book by it's cover"
    I think you mean Seth Meyers, not Seth Green.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Well, I started the Family feud this Christmas. A cousin posted a pix of one of the others saying something about loving Jesus. I commented. "False Christian". We'll see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Well, I started the Family feud this Christmas. A cousin posted a pix of one of the others saying something about loving Jesus. I commented. "False Christian". We'll see what happens.
    You'd better have solid ground for comments that incendiary!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    So am I the only one SICK AND TIRED of people saying basically that 'who you are and/or what you do is wrong'...but hey, it's all ok because "I love you", and "i just love all people", and "that doesn't mean I hate you, I don't" .... ??????

    I can't be the only one sick and tired of this WILLFULLY IGNORANT bullshit?

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    CNN:
    A&E issues a statement saying it "has decided to resume filming 'Duck Dynasty' later this spring with the entire Robertson family."



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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    All too often all too true.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I've noticed that many out there (in the public) are essentially saying that it's ok to say what he said simply because it was in the name of his religious faith and holy book. That some how, because he justified it with using his faith/bible, that means actually being held accountable for what he said 'makes him a victim of censorship' (the whole "free speech" issue). This kind of thinking by the religious right (and actually far too many others) is so incredibly frustrating. He is not a victim of anything. He has the right to say/do/believe whatever he likes (he did, and he still does)...and others have the right to tell him there are consequences for it since what he said was illogical, bigoted , and willfully ignorant... and just because he used his faith/bible, it does not give him a pass. The only thing he's a "victim" of are his own prejudices and ignorance. The whole issue just shows how deeply rooted forms of homophobia are alive and well in this society, and while the race comments are clearly wrong (as they are), the homosexual comments get to somehow be 'up for debate'..."oh, they're just personal opinion"...homophobia still getting a pass...
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    ^^Ditto to that!
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    CNN:
    A&E issues a statement saying it "has decided to resume filming 'Duck Dynasty' later this spring with the entire Robertson family."
    Then, what we need to do is get someone with no gag reflex to watch the shows and write down who the sponsors are and then we can boycott them like we did for Lush Rimabaugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    You're missing a few specifics in your view. Bashir's comments were done as a host of a news channel with intentions -- there were graphics and the producer and he knew exactly what he was going to say before he said it - he also wished Palin physical harm. Robinson's remarks were made in an interview, even though he agreed to the interview, he did not purposely try to make statements -- he answered questions by the interviewer. He also did not wish anyone harm.

    Your illustration is flawed.

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    I find it kinda... weird that the focus is on his gay remarks and not his racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naglfarii View Post
    I find it kinda... weird that the focus is on his gay remarks and not his racism.
    The most recent remarks were the basis of his dismissal, and the ensuing controversy.

    Then the research began, and found, much more offensive and racially insensitive things said in the past. Robertson's supporters whom falsely believe that he only gave an interpretation of the Bible, and protecting themselves mentally from having to defend those more offensive remarks, are now ignoring them outright.

    A&E, of course, and its parent corporation do what all businesses do, to wit, there is no such thing as right and wrong, only profit and loss. But don't mistake yourself, we will dog Robertson, A&E, and their sponsors until the end of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    ...we will dog Robertson, A&E, and their sponsors until the end of time.
    Fair enough. Inspector Javert dogged Jean Valjean for 52 years and went insane doing so.

    Captain Ahab dogged Moby Dick for a decade and went insane doing so.

    The Third Reich dogged their perceived oppressors for 13 years and went insane doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Fair enough. Inspector Javert dogged Jean Valjean for 52 years and went insane doing so.

    Captain Ahab dogged Moby Dick for a decade and went insane doing so.

    The Third Reich dogged their perceived oppressors for 13 years and went insane doing so.
    Aren't you the guy who got visibly angry when the topic was gay people boycotting a bakery that refused to sell to gay people?

    I'm not sure what you would agree with other than discriminated-against minorities agreeing with and supporting their own discrimination. You have most certainly never pointed out what you believe racial minorities or gay people should be doing to work towards a more egalitarian society amidst your constant hovering around the topic of the disapproval you harbor for what they actually are doing. Hence the occasional musings people have as to whether or not you're even a gay male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...should be doing ...
    You have to be strategic in choosing which battles to fight and which to ignore.

    I reckon the most effective ones are done behind the scenes or alongside the decision-makers or at the actual scene of the conflict.

    We're seeing too many over-publicized, self-aggrandising and remote ineffective melodramatic media-circuses here— viz Kony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naglfarii View Post
    I find it kinda... weird that the focus is on his gay remarks and not his racism.
    As I just said!

    This thread's focus on the 'community' issue fails to see how the race issue is far more germane to everyone's rights!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    You have to be strategic in choosing which battles to fight and which to ignore.

    I reckon the most effective ones are done behind the scenes or alongside the decision-makers or at the actual scene of the conflict.

    We're seeing too many over-publicized, self-aggrandising and remote ineffective melodramatic media-circuses here— viz Kony.
    I think whether or not we want someone on a popular television program putting gay people in the same category as terrorists reaches near the top of the non-legislative list of what battles need to be fought.

    But, as I previously stated, I'm really unaware of any conditions whatsoever which would bring you to agree that a minority group out to speak up or do something. Again, your response voiced only your disapproval and not a single example of what might be a more important thing to work on. As far as what views you've chosen to ever express on this site I'm unaware of you ever being any kind of friend or supporter of any gay rights effort on the planet, no matter what or where that effort was.

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    That old adage "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it!" applies hear.

    Robertson exercised his First Amendment right in GQ. A&E exercised its First Amendment right in deciding that Robertson's opinions were contrary to the corporate image they wished to project. The First Amendment wins all-around.

    While clothed in progressive, righteous rhetoric, I'm sure A&E's decision was strictly business. The younger portion of their market is supportive of Gay Rights. The Robertsons of this country are quickly becoming anachronisms, even in rural Louisiana.

    Personally I thought his most offensive comment was about Blacks being happy under Jim Crow.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    As I just said!

    This thread's focus on the 'community' issue fails to see how the race issue is far more germane to everyone's rights!
    I don't think his racist comments were unimportant. I do however think that what he's saying while actively on a popularly watched television show today is more immediately important to address as it goes out to a national audience currently than something people dug up in a magazine article from however long ago that no one knew about or remembered until the more current controversy.

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    A lot of the blame goes to GQ, for asking loaded questions toward the end of getting sensational answers. Seriously, what did they expect he'd say about gays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    A lot of the blame goes to GQ, for asking loaded questions toward the end of getting sensational answers. Seriously, what did they expect he'd say about gays?
    No one forced him to go beyond scripture - or to even quote(or in his case, misquote) it at all. He could have just as easily stated he preferred not to answer.

    So no, GQ are not to blame for his mouth. Might as well blame the sun for being bright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    No one forced him to go beyond scripture - or to even quote(or in his case, misquote) it at all. He could have just as easily stated he preferred not to answer.
    So no, GQ are not to blame for his mouth. Might as well blame the sun for being bright.
    THIS. Exactly.

    (You'd think the A&E publicists would have given this family a little "media training"...)

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    And for a further rise: marry 15-16 year olds:

    In the video, Robertson says “Look, you wait till they get to be 20 years old - the only picking that’s gonna take place is your pocket. You gotta marry these girls when they’re about 15 or 16.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-ae-wa...hil-robertson/
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    And for a further rise: marry 15-16 year olds:



    Can you spell p-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-i-a?
    You'd have a hard time selling that to Christians. Mary was younger than that when she married Joseph IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    And for a further rise: marry 15-16 year olds:

    Can you spell p-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-i-a?
    So this Duck Dynasty guy is a racist, homophobe and a pedophile?

    Great piece of shit for the right wingers to champion! Why are they always republicans?

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...ty%20pedophile

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAM3dxXLYQ
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    A quick glance through about.com reveals the legal age to marry is either 15 or 16 with parental consent in all 50 states. Just going by language used on about.com it might actually even be legal for one partner to be 15 or 16, and the other 18+. Their language of "if either of you are under 18" definitely hints at that anyway.

    http://marriage.about.com/cs/teenmarriage/a/teenus.htm
    Last edited by Vitamin; December 30th, 2013 at 03:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Mary was younger than that when she married Joseph IIRC.
    Some sources suggest the average life expectancy in that era (excluding infant and childhood mortality) was maybe 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Some sources suggest the average life expectancy in that era (excluding infant and childhood mortality) was maybe 40 years.
    Life expectancy up through the 19th century was about 40 years in much of the world so far as I know. I was just watching a BBC documentary that mentioned that as being the typical life expectancy through the Victorian period in England. But yeah, I'm definitely cognizant that in the ancient and even medieval world, even in much of the premodern world, sexual maturity was old enough for marriage in many cultures, including the west. Certainly I'm not aware of any widespread artificial rule about waiting until 18 until modern times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Life expectancy up through the 19th century was about 40 years in much of the world so far as I know. I was just watching a BBC documentary that mentioned that as being the typical life expectancy through the Victorian period in England. But yeah, I'm definitely cognizant that in the ancient and even medieval world, even in much of the premodern world, sexual maturity was old enough for marriage in many cultures, including the west. Certainly I'm not aware of any widespread artificial rule about waiting until 18 until modern times.
    Misleading statistic that is average age of death. If you survived to adulthood, the average life expectancy shot up to 60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    And for a further rise: marry 15-16 year olds:



    Can you spell p-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-i-a?
    Here's hoping that someone can come up with a list of advertisers.
    And does this mean you have power back?
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    While his Jim Crow comments were vile,I'm SICK and tired of being told it's okay to compare us to pedophiles,terrorists and other things because the Bible says it's okay.
    Sorry,I don't follow your religion and resent being told I have to be respectful of people that tell me I'm going to burn in hell.
    Sorry to say but this whole incident shows us we have a long,long way to go.

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    Glad to see the thread back and clean. Thank you opinterph. Sorry for making it difficult.
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    I guess duck dynasty won

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