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    US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    I like this idea. Too bad it is not a boycott, but this will be better.I heard on MSNBC that Michelle Obama was told not to come. But the Pres isn't sending her anyway. In fact no high level officials. Billie Jean King is probably a good example of gays but I'm sure there are others. King hasn't been in the news that I've seen in a long time.

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    US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News

    In an apparent snub to President Vladimir Putin over recent anti-gay legislation passed in Russia, the White House delegation to the upcoming Winter Olympics in Sochi includes Billie Jean King and another openly gay athlete and no high-level American officials.

    It is a sharp departure from recent Olympics. Michelle Obama led the U.S. delegation to the London Games last year, and Vice President Joe Biden went to the Winter Olympics in Vancouver in 2010.
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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Well played, Mr. President!

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    if you're gay it matters who the President and Pope is

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    Bravo, Mr President! Yet another success story from the Obama administration.

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    I would send Dan Savage.
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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    He may not be the greatest president we ever had he may be just nothing, but picture George Bush doing this to Russia!

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Well played Mr Obama

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    I don't know why I missed it on the first go around, but thanks.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    This issue will heat up in January as Western leaders are staking out their positions on attendance.

    Putin, et al., already have an idea of the international pressure surrounding Sochi, which is why a bill to take kids away from gay parents was stalled in the Duma.

    I fear this is a only a repeat of Munich 1936, except Russia is going to wait until after the fact to pass Nuremberg-like laws, e.g. who can be a parent, banning gays from working with children, defining who is gay, etc.
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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Canada's PM will also not be attending. Well done guyz.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    I'm not satisfied.

    Virtually every national leader to date who has announced he or she would not be attending Sochi has insisted it is because of scheduling conflicts, not human rights abuses by Russia.

    Pressed by reporters on whether the president was sending a message, Carney said: “That’s not a message we would wait to send through this manner."
    You don't protest injustice by denying that your protest is a protest. The president (and other world leaders) need to be much, much more emphatic about the unacceptability of Russia's current behavior. The world needs to condemn Russia and Putin. Not refuse to talk about it.

    Also, I note the frequent references to "Billie Jean King and another openly gay athlete." Apparently, Billie jean is the only notable gay athlete they could find.

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    It IS disingenuous... everyone knows why they're not going, saying "scheduling conflicts" when the message is to snub Putin(rightfully) as a protest move. Might as well be in attendance, then if they don't have enough spine to stand up for standing up Putin. I have far more respect to those athletes going to Sochi in open protest. It is pretty insulting the Billie Jean King "and another gay athlete" stuff... how condescending of them they can only think of one openly gay athlete by name. Another SUCCESS by the Obama Administration? WELL played, Mr. President??! Please, his successes are few(tangible ones, NOT just getting things passed). He REALLY went to the mat to support marriage equality and the repeal of DADT, didn't he? Let others do the heavy lifting, then when victory was assured grabbing the baton and leading the parade!!! Fucking poser!!
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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Brian Boitano is one of the delegates, and he has just came out of the damned Closet too! Who wudda thunk it? When I was still in the Closet, my gaydar was all over the place with Boitano.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/o...-says-hes-gay/

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Why don't the countries who are gay friendly use rainbow flags when marching around the stadium.
    That would be good as a protest.


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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Why don't the countries who are gay friendly use rainbow flags when marching around the stadium.
    That would be good as a protest.
    Why don't the delegates of gay friendly countries just stick guns in their mouths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Why don't the delegates of gay friendly countries just stick guns in their mouths?
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    Why don't the delegates of gay friendly countries just stick guns in their mouths?
    I didn't think hate speech against gays was allowed on JUB.

    Please explain yourself.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    It was an attempt at sarcasm. I felt it justified by Telstra naive question on why gay-friendly nations don't wave the rainbow flag in Russia--they don't for the same reason they don't want to stick guns in their mouths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    It was an attempt at sarcasm. I felt it justified by Telstra naive question on why gay-friendly nations don't wave the rainbow flag in Russia--they don't for the same reason they don't want to stick guns in their mouths.
    Ah. Maybe it needed an emoticon.

    Rainbow flags would probably be a bit much. But if they all wore rainbow-colored gloves, it would be more subtle -- but would certainly catch the cameras.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    It IS disingenuous... everyone knows why they're not going, saying "scheduling conflicts" when the message is to snub Putin(rightfully) as a protest move. Might as well be in attendance, then if they don't have enough spine to stand up for standing up Putin. I have far more respect to those athletes going to Sochi in open protest. It is pretty insulting the Billie Jean King "and another gay athlete" stuff... how condescending of them they can only think of one openly gay athlete by name. Another SUCCESS by the Obama Administration? WELL played, Mr. President??! Please, his successes are few(tangible ones, NOT just getting things passed). He REALLY went to the mat to support marriage equality and the repeal of DADT, didn't he? Let others do the heavy lifting, then when victory was assured grabbing the baton and leading the parade!!! Fucking poser!!
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    Obama has been filibustered more times than all the postwar presidents combined. It's in the Congressional Record, if you care to look. Then we can discuss who is being disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ah. Maybe it needed an emoticon
    That is a feature woefully lacking in the mobile version of this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post

    Rainbow flags would probably be a bit much. But if they all wore rainbow-colored gloves, it would be more subtle -- but would certainly catch the cameras.
    As for as I have read the delegates view Russian law as so broad that any sort of pro-gay stance could be seen as "propaganda". It doesn't seem possible for them to speak out against the law and get away with it.

    I would be both inspired and terrified if one or more delegates came out protesting this law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Boitano would be the perfect one: Russians love figure skating, so arresting him or even throwing him out of the country would cause one big ruckus.

    But if all the athletes of several nations wore rainbow gloves, Putin would be stuck between looking like an ass and showing just how big a one he is.
    I wouldn't be one to underestimate Putin's willingness to show us his ass. He sure does like to show us those revolting pictures of him shirtless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    As for as I have read the delegates view Russian law as so broad that any sort of pro-gay stance could be seen as "propaganda". It doesn't seem possible for them to speak out against the law and get away with it.

    I would be both inspired and terrified if one or more delegates came out protesting this law.
    Boitano would be the perfect one: Russians love figure skating, so arresting him or even throwing him out of the country would cause one big ruckus.

    But if all the athletes of several nations wore rainbow gloves, Putin would be stuck between looking like an ass and showing just how big a one he is.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I wouldn't be one to underestimate Putin's willingness to show us his ass. He sure does like to show us those revolting pictures of him shirtless.
    Um...is it Opposite Day on the forums or something? How did my reply to. Kuli, wind up before his post?

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    I wouldn't be one to underestimate Putin's willingness to show us his ass. He sure does like to show us those revolting pictures of him shirtless.
    Um...I didn't say "show us his ass", I said showing he IS an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Um...is it Opposite Day on the forums or something? How did my reply to. Kuli, wind up before his post?
    This has been going on quite a while. It's one of several bugs the mods and even admins have reported to staff, but apparently isn't considered important.

    Send a report -- it might get attention, if it happens eighty or a hundred times.
    Or not.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I like this idea. Too bad it is not a boycott, but this will be better
    Boycott was a bad idea. Because it will bring tensions against gays and the victim of it will be me, not you.

    The idea to send to Sochi some gay athletes is a good one.

    I fear this is a only a repeat of Munich 1936, except Russia is going to wait until after the fact to pass
    Why everyone remember the Third Reich, but no one remember that in Great Britain a gay couple was arrested for having bondage sex in their apartment in late 80s?

    I agree with you on the fact that homophobia in my country increases, but don't speak about it as about some other planet, it's just not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    the fact to pass Nuremberg-like laws, e.g. who can be a parent, banning gays from working with children, defining who is gay, etc.
    They just copy typical European and Amercian laws from 30 years ago.

    In the USA before Clinton it was restricted for gays to serve in the Army. But I don't compare the USA before Clinton with Nazi Germany.
    And I said before about a gay couple arrested in Britain for bondage sex in late 80s. So Britain was also like Nazi Germany in 80s?

    I agree with you that it's good that Obama will send gay athletes to Olympics.

    But by comparing Russia and Nazi Germany you say things that are only partly true and that offend all Russian people including me. All comparing with Nazi Germany is offensive to a country which play the main role in fighting against Hitler. Please remember it.

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    But by comparing Russia and Nazi Germany you say things that are only partly true and that offend all Russian people including me. All comparing with Nazi Germany is offensive to a country which play the main role in fighting against Hitler. Please remember it.
    Excuse me? Since when did Russia "play the main role in fighting against Hitler"?

    You're right about not making comparisons to Hitler, but that's true because usually it isn't instructive but rather a dead end.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Ok, Great Britain and Russia played main role. The USA only later, thanks to Roosevelt. France wasn't ably to really fight.

    But it's typical Russian view that the USSR played the main role in fighting against Hitler. You may like it or not. It's just the fact of life, that we learn it in the childhood.

    And it's better to compare Russia with Spain during General Franco. No concentration camps, but Church rules and the state is not democratic.
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    Ok, Great Britain and Russia played main role. The USA only later, thanks to Roosevelt. France wasn't ably to really fight.

    But it's typical Russian view that the USSR played the main role in fighting against Hitler. You may like it or not. It's just the fact of life, that we learn it in the childhood.

    And it's better to compare Russia with Spain during General Franco. No concentration camps, but Church rules and the state is not democratic.
    Neither Britain nor Russia would have been doing much fighting to speak of if it had not been for the USA: the States supplied the military materiel that allowed them to do more than just hunker down and take it.

    Now, in terms of deaths, Russia paid the highest price, but that's what happens when you have a leader who doesn't give a shit about the lives of his people and is willing to consort with people like Hitler in the first place.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    OK, I just said that's the Russians' view.

    And I think that with gay-rights DON'T ASK DON'T TELL politics will work only in the nearest 10 years in Russia. I don't want any anti-gay activity, but I don't want any pro-gay activity as gay-rides in my country. For ten years. And let's see then.

    gays from working with children, defining who is gay, etc.
    It's bad, but an emloeyer can fire a straight employee without any reason. Do you think that any straight Russian will go to court to spend more time and money there without any result?

    Ok, in France people, who have marriage, get some corporative bonuses for marriage and so gay couples want to have these bonuses. But in Russia you don't have such bonuses for straight marriage.

    To marry is only to have more problems in Russia. For straight persons.

    For straight people it's harder to live. They traditionally have children.

    I don't envy straight people here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Neither Britain nor Russia would have been doing much fighting to speak of if it had not been for the USA: the States supplied the military materiel that allowed them to do more than just hunker down and take it.

    Now, in terms of deaths, Russia paid the highest price, but that's what happens when you have a leader who doesn't give a shit about the lives of his people and is willing to consort with people like Hitler in the first place.
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    Yes, but let's return to LGBT. I hope I explained why I don't believe in gay rights in my country now and prefer don't ask don't tell.

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    Why don't the countries who are gay friendly use rainbow flags when marching around the stadium.
    That would be good as a protest.
    Or better, have their uniforms in rainbow colors.
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    have their uniforms in rainbow colors.
    Yes, uniforms will be good. But I will not watch these Games on TV. And I don't know anyone, who will. Don't understand why the world is so crazy about these games. Better spend these money to help Africa.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    Boycott was a bad idea. Because it will bring tensions against gays and the victim of it will be me, not you.

    The idea to send to Sochi some gay athletes is a good one.



    Why everyone remember the Third Reich, but no one remember that in Great Britain a gay couple was arrested for having bondage sex in their apartment in late 80s?

    I agree with you on the fact that homophobia in my country increases, but don't speak about it as about some other planet, it's just not true.
    Forgive me for that. I really didn't mean it. I don't know why I throw those things in where they don't belong. I agree sending gays is the correct way to do it.
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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    Yes, uniforms will be good. But I will not watch these Games on TV. And I don't know anyone, who will. Don't understand why the world is so crazy about these games. Better spend these money to help Africa.
    Again, forgive me. Another post I should have thought out. Rainbow uniforms would be worse than flags. Like they say the no demonstrations rule. I like the idea of gays representing them. Word is gonna get around just fine. I wish things were better for gays there.
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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

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    No, I was not offended by you or Alnitak. I just think that it's more correct to compare LGBT-rights in Russia with standart democratic countries 20-40 years ago.

    And it's good that people will see that there are gays in sport. It will break some stereotypes. I'm just pretty indifferent to these Games in general. For me it's just the caprice and the whim of the leader.
    Last edited by Russian Bottom Slut; December 20th, 2013 at 05:10 AM.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    White EagleI just think that it's more correct to compare LGBT-rights in Russia with standard democratic countries 20-40 120-140 years ago.
    And it's good that people will see that there are gays in sport.
    There have been gays in "sport" since time immemorial. In fact, the athletes in the original Olympics competed naked. To assert that somebody wasn't getting off on this is inconceivable!

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

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    Before early 1980s gays in France were arrested and jailed. Nazi done it, but other presidents before Mitterrand didn't cancel the imprisonement.
    In West Germany gays, who survived in camps, were sent to prison by democratic West German state!

    I don't say that what happens in my country is normal, but just learn history well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Canada's PM will also not be attending. Well done guyz.
    I'm glad to see all this happening.

    Now for the real reason of this post. Does your avatar mean I can kiss you under the mistletoe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Or better, have their uniforms in rainbow colors.
    mmm that would be colorful and playful.


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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Now for the real reason of this post. Does your avatar mean I can kiss you under the mistletoe?
    Looks like other people are supposed to meet and kiss at that treasure trail.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    chrirobin

    Before early 1980s gays in France were arrested and jailed. Nazi done it, but other presidents before Mitterrand didn't cancel the imprisonement.
    In West Germany gays, who survived in camps, were sent to prison by democratic West German state!

    I don't say that what happens in my country is normal, but just learn history well.
    I was looking at the "big picture" - history versus a few anecdotal examples. We've been lurking around for centuries. If the general population cannot accept us, that's their tough luck. I could make a list of composers, artists and interior decorators over the years, but I don't think that would make a difference here.

    P.S. What is normal? What about normal deviants?
    Last edited by chrisrobin; December 20th, 2013 at 10:09 PM.

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    No, my point was not this, but: look at the history of such countries as Great Britain or the USA. that has parliament and democracy for several centuries. And now look at my country in 20th century: several wars, revolutions, radical changes and bloody changes of political system (it was bloody not only after 1917, but bloody after 1991).

    And even in these democratic prosperous countries, homophobia still exists.

    So how do you expect that in a country where the situation with human rights, including basic social rights are bad, gay rights will be in good condition?

    Some people here in my country don't understand gay rights. And I can't blame them. People should have normal life and their own rights to start to think about the rights of minorities.

    We should improve the life of majority, before improving the life of minority.

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    Re: US delegation to Sochi appears to snub Putin over antigay laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Bottom Slut View Post
    Some people here in my country don't understand gay rights. And I can't blame them. People should have normal life and their own rights to start to think about the rights of minorities.

    We should improve the life of majority, before improving the life of minority.
    No, you have to establish from the beginning that everyone has equal rights. If at the beginning it's okay to exclude some, that will be part of your foundation moving forward. If gays were not a visible minority, it would be different, but they are visible, and have to be part of things.

    Though what would help would be to just include gays with a list of all minorities there are, whether Cossacks or the elderly or ex-communists or gypsies or Jews or Muslims or any others.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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