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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The French are sensible


    Do you know where that sign was posted?

    The aqua textured wall in the background makes me think that it is at a swimming pool where the filtration system has to be kept clean and unclogged.

    It's just the (international?) 'no cotton'/'no cutoffs'/'no excessive material' rule.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    But we in Australia are very conscious of how migrants come to live here but still uphold the values of the society they left decades ago. For instance, Greek women here still wear the 1960s clothes that were fashionable in Greece fifty years ago.

    We like to joke that the USA still upholds the Puritan values which they brought with them on The Mayflower in 1620.
    Maybe the "banned in Boston" WASP descendants do, but we've had several different waves of immigrants over time - who brought their customs, etc. And some of us mutts have even progressed a bit since then.

    We can't all be so forward thinking as you Aussies, who hold anyone who's ancestor WASN'T a criminal in the original penal colonies is a newbie forever.

    As to the Greek women and 1960's dress - they're probably the women who came over in the '60's - not their granddaughters.


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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Do you know where that sign was posted?

    The aqua textured wall in the background makes me think that it is at a swimming pool where the filtration system has to be kept clean and unclogged.

    It's just the (international?) 'no cotton'/'no cutoffs'/'no excessive material' rule.
    The reasoning behind banning swimming trunks in France is hygiene. They don't want people wearing their street clothes in the pool for fear that they'll make the water dirty, so they ban anything that could potentially be worn as street clothes. (Most French men wouldn't wear a Speedo in the street, contrary to stereotypes.)
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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Cut-offs also pose a problem for filters.


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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Are you offended? JUB is primarily for men.

    So...that STILL doesn't give you or I permission to be misogynistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayman23 View Post
    So...that STILL doesn't give you or I permission to be misogynistic.
    I can't defend Pat for that particular statement but the rest of us are not women bashing. I think it's more like straight men bashing.

    This is a man's world, a straight man's world and they make the rules. They like seeing women naked not men and so they make those rules and so we have this thread here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayman23 View Post
    So...that STILL doesn't give you or I permission to be misogynistic.
    Yes. Misogyny must be the second-most offensive sin of all time. But if you are so offended by this so-called Misogyny why don't you mention it at the time instead of being petulant about afterwards?




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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    ….We can't all be so forward thinking as you Aussies, who hold anyone who's ancestor WASN'T a criminal in the original penal colonies is a newbie forever….
    No it's only the Irish component of the Australian population who think that; they're the ones who consider up this murdering thief as a "folk-hero of the working class".


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    Speedo

    Speedos let you move freely—



    These make you look like a tool wearing your mother's table-cloth—



    You'd drown if you tried swimming in this table-cloth.
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    The Europeans aren't as uptight as the prudish Americans—





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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    In the U.S. plenty of stores and businesses have signs on the door that say "no shoes, no shirt, no service." I have never yet in my life seen someone ejected for either reason--- then again, I can't recall a shirtless or shoeless guy coming into a store with those signs on the door, either. I'm sure one has at one time or another. In any event, while we could argue how silly or needless or prudish these laws are, so far as I know they do exist and there is the right to enforce them. You just fairly rarely see it done outside of exclusive restaurants or clubs.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    We like to joke that the USA still upholds the Puritan values which they brought with them on The Mayflower in 1620.
    It's not such a joke -- puritanism towards others thrives in both major parties.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    In the U.S. plenty of stores and businesses have signs on the door that say "no shoes, no shirt, no service." ..….
    We used to have heavy laws about hygiene.

    The cafeterias at university occasionally wouldn't allow barefoot students to enter. Bus drivers wouldn't allow shirtless guys. There used to be shallow troughs you had to walk through as you left the change room to enter the swimming pool.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by LilBit View Post
    The reasoning behind banning swimming trunks in France is hygiene. They don't want people wearing their street clothes in the pool for fear that they'll make the water dirty, so they ban anything that could potentially be worn as street clothes. (Most French men wouldn't wear a Speedo in the street, contrary to stereotypes.)
    Having managed a swimming pool and worked at others, I have to say that's a good idea. At the outdoor apartment complex pool I was in charge of, there was no way to stop people from just jumping in wearing the same shorts they'd just been playing football in, and the filters showed the strain -- I had to purge them as often as the pool manager at an indoor aquatics center where there were five times the people and twenty times the water volume.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    Cut-offs also pose a problem for filters.
    Not so much these days; the pre-filter screens even fifteen years ago handled the gross fiber, and the macrofilters caught the lint-type stuff. Actually the biggest headache (from anything cotton) is that when there's a lot of lint in the macrofilters, lots the body oils and dead skin cells and crap that flow through the system get caught there, meaning they have to be changed more often -- though the flip side is that then the primary filters stay clean longer.

    Back when there were only sand filters, everyone swam naked, because ANY fiber was a pain.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    In the U.S. plenty of stores and businesses have signs on the door that say "no shoes, no shirt, no service." I have never yet in my life seen someone ejected for either reason--- then again, I can't recall a shirtless or shoeless guy coming into a store with those signs on the door, either. I'm sure one has at one time or another. In any event, while we could argue how silly or needless or prudish these laws are, so far as I know they do exist and there is the right to enforce them. You just fairly rarely see it done outside of exclusive restaurants or clubs.
    Hygeine is a legitimate reason for clothing rules; prudery is not. Oh, BTW -- there is no "right" to enforce laws, only authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    We used to have heavy laws about hygiene.

    The cafeterias at university occasionally wouldn't allow barefoot students to enter. Bus drivers wouldn't allow shirtless guys. There used to be shallow troughs you had to walk through as you left the change room to enter the swimming pool.
    Hygeine is a legitimate reason for clothing rules; prudery is not. Oh, BTW -- there is no "right" to enforce laws, only authority.

    Those foot baths before entering a public swimming pool are a very good idea -- feet, even when they've been inside shoes, are filthy. The pools where I've worked that had those had almost no complaints of athlete's foot; the others did. Without the foot baths, for health's sake you have to keep a higher chlorine count in the pool plus sanitize the pool deck frequently.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Hygeine is a legitimate reason for clothing rules; prudery is not.
    This sounds like opinion; it also strikes me as opinion to decide what is prudery and what isn't. Even if a guy brought a sanitizer along with him to clean a bench after he sat there naked throughout the game, I'd be uncomfortable with him doing so, and don't mind that laws disallow him from doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...Even if a guy brought a sanitizer along with him to clean a bench after he sat there naked throughout the game, I'd be uncomfortable with him doing so,...
    Me too. But I've noticed that most guys who hold nudie parties ask us to bring a towel with us.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Mancheeks!! Boof,boof, aaarrf!!!!

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Yes. Misogyny must be the second-most offensive sin of all time. But if you are so offended by this so-called Misogyny why don't you mention it at the time instead of being petulant about afterwards?




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    Maybe because I have a life and choose to not frequent this site as much as I used to...

    If you contributed as much logic and coherent thoughts as the usual bullshit you post then maybe someone would take your opinion seriously...

    As of now, you are the resident obtuse moron trolling with B.S.
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    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/ne...beating/nLw8F/

    If these really are the guys, then I would love to take the bearded one, tie him to my bed, hatefuck the living shit out of him and then kick the living shit out of him for beating up that guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayman23 View Post
    ...you are the resident obtuse moron trolling with B.S.
    So does that make me one of the pack you mention in your avatar picture?

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This sounds like opinion; it also strikes me as opinion to decide what is prudery and what isn't. Even if a guy brought a sanitizer along with him to clean a bench after he sat there naked throughout the game, I'd be uncomfortable with him doing so, and don't mind that laws disallow him from doing it.
    It is not the function of law to help you avoid discomfort.

    Prudery is a way of blaming other people's behavior for one's own prejudices.

    As for someone being naked at a game, the stadium has a legitimate interest in keeping people's attention on their attraction and not having significantly competing distractions. That's a reasonable basis for forbidding nudity in the stands.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    So does that make me one of the pack you mention in your avatar picture?
    This would all be so much more poignant if you were displaying your original avi.

    Wave that flag, Honey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    As for someone being naked at a game, the stadium has a legitimate interest in keeping people's attention on their attraction and not having significantly competing distractions. That's a reasonable basis for forbidding nudity in the stands.
    Are you for real?

    You truly are a libertarian. Props, my bro.
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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    As for someone being naked at a game, the stadium has a legitimate interest in keeping people's attention on their attraction and not having significantly competing distractions. That's a reasonable basis for forbidding nudity in the stands.

    "Our game is more boring than a naked stranger."


    Well, true.



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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    "Our game is more boring than a naked stranger."


    Well, true.


    LOL

    It's basically the same thing the courts said when school dress codes were finally tossed out: anything goes so long as it doesn't detract or distract from the purpose of the institution.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    One sees much more inappropriate stuff in Walmart

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    It seems the Americans of 1934 weren't as prudish as those of 2013.

    Viz 0.45.


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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    So does that make me one of the pack you mention in your avatar picture?
    No, it just makes you an obnoxious and patronizing heel whose opinion until proven otherwise is about as useless and rhetorical as knowing water is wet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It seems the Americans of 1934 weren't as prudish as those of 2013.

    Viz 0.45.

    I don't know about the natives, but the accent of that flat-chested hunk sounds pretty rotten to me... argh.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    One of the idiosyncrasies of the cinema industry is that it has evolved to retain the Southern accent as a trope for backwater, but excise most inclusion of working class Northeast accents that would similarly cast New Yorkers and others in an unflattering light.

    It is not a universal rule, but it is a common enough bias that you can easily see the pattern when canvassing a broad range of movies. Archie Bunkers are not to be heard in most modern movies.


    Are those two the people who had the seats replicated at a centuplicated cost for some TV museum?

    Vudoo, that's how all societies, anytime, work... a different thing is that you may be discovering that through TV shows and cinema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    My point is merely that there is a built-in bias to portray New York as a cultural Mecca, avoiding the working class population that is every bit as stigmatized as any Deliverance stereotype. Noses on the East Coast grow longer than in many parts of the U.S.
    If you are talking about New York as a state, how would that be otherwise when even NYC, which is taken to represent "New York" as a concept including srtate, city or whatever else, is reduced to Manhattan Island?

    As I said, it's not just that it happens also with BCN being represented as a gaudicised version of Southern Spain, or Europe as Paris, France and Venice, Italy, it's the way people think and communicate by dumbing down reality to made-up essentials and good and bad bipartisanship, the bad being always "the other", "bad" ranging from wasting public money to speaking in an unrelated sort of accent.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Crabbe is gorgeous, btw, if the character a bit too smarmy.
    I was tempted to think so as I saw his eyes and the upper part of his face in general, but the mouth, those gross folds around his mouth while all that goodie smarminess was pouring out, and then that unshapely torso, with those pecs and shoulders with more mere volume than developed shape... I found far more gorgeous the young, athletic, tight mancheeks bouncing around than his whole persona.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    It's more a case of cultural elitism. Societies, be they American, European, Russian, whatever, are often co-opted by the elite, which is invariably a group centered in the most affluent urban centers.

    Like the Romans, they have vested interest in seeing and depicting the rest of the populace as heathens and ba-ba-rians, but not so much their next-door neighbors in Metropolis.
    That's the point, and the problem with Spain is that we had no elite... and by that I do not mean so much that we should have a group of people shaping reality in a given way, as that that would be preferable to people passing for elite defending definite values by merely wielding power and retaining money, and allowing themselves to defend one think and the exact opposite without even caring to take the trouble of influencing the rest of societies: you Americans, like the British or the French have a certain definite general tone given to the whole nation, a tone which goes beyond the topicalities that gave rise to this exchange of messages, but which allows for an equally definite change in one direction or the other from that given one.

    In the case of Catalonia, our saving grace was what we call the Cap i Casal, Head and Manor of Catalonia, that is, Barcelona, which saves us away from inland provincialisms, while also, and rather uncommonly with respect to America, France or Britain, also saved us from elitist influence, since the good speech and general national Catalan ideal has NOTHING to do with both the rotten local dialect and the cosmopolitan ways of the city, because the business upper classes kept themselves apart from the bulk of society just as Castillian or Andalusian aristocracy did in the rest of Spain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    No, I'm not offended. Puritanism takes the brunt of attack from those who espouse socially liberal ideas of nudism, prostitution, etc. I'm OK with that. I think at some point, liberal social ideas reach the limit of common sense and ask society to believe something that is not true. An example would be the argument that prudery is the problem of the beholder. That's really bollocks, to quote the Brits. It has become fashionable to claim that sexually explicit clothing is nothing of the sort. That's imply disingenuous.

    Society allows for near-nudity in some sports and swimming areas. That same level of nudity is not acceptable in most other areas of society, and unwelcome when the social gathering is for other purposes (restaurant, library, court.)

    After all the howling is said and done about prudery, there's not a court in the world that would tolerate similar skimpy attire in its proceedings, as it implies a certain degree of disrespect. The Speedo would be both unwelcome in a lawyer, litigant/defendant, audience member, or reporter.

    If a parent doesn't want a trip to the library with a child to become a distracted episode about the near-naked man, that parent has a legitimate argument to make about a dress code in the public library, and it is not because the parent doesn't allow the same toddler to go to a swim meet and see the same male nudity. All nudity is not equal, and the setting is relevant.

    Inconsistent is not a significant argument when analyzing the acceptability of nudism in its varying degrees. And hygiene is not the sufficient standard either, as women can be wearing little of anything underneath when using public transportation. Of course, for a site that touts rimming all the time, it is richly ironic to find any fecal contamination objections presented in this thread.
    Great post. Not sure about your posts that came after this one.

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    Re: Guy In Speedo Gets Kicked Out Of NFL Football Game [MERGED]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    It's more a case of cultural elitism. Societies, be they American, European, Russian, whatever, are often co-opted by the elite, which is invariably a group centered in the most affluent urban centers.

    Like the Romans, they have vested interest in seeing and depicting the rest of the populace as heathens and ba-ba-rians, but not so much their next-door neighbors in Metropolis.
    I already gave a response to that in my previous post: it may help or, at least, lead some to be curious about understanding why what always looks so different, weird or even wrong in Spain and that tract of land around Barcelona came to be so different from what seemed an unavoidable general pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    Great post. Not sure about your posts that came after this one.
    His post dealt with the speed with which you can deal with blind habits and taboos with the bulk of society: public health and safety are the only two reasons (apart from protecting children, which is the desperate joker card to settle this sort of discussion to let a mere "because-I-say-so" prevail as something pretendedly rational) to which we can conceive, in a modern, democratic Western world, why something should be banned, and those are the two reasons to defend bans that have NOTHING to do with it.
    The problem with nudity is that clothing in the Western world, after religious influence went down the sewer, is still used as a fold to wrap and conceal mere hygiene problems and general sloppiness in body care and shaping... that centuries of religious culture, ironically the centuries right after the supposedly dark Middle Ages, are still leaving their mark in social habits of free and supposedly enlightened nations.

    I personally find some very acceptable ways of being dressed up and covered with hair than perfectly clean, well-groomed and shapely nudity or mere skimpiness. Just bear in mind Muslim standards for nudity, decency, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I don't find it fair to judge prior generations (or the present one) by the standards of hyper-evolved bodysculpting. Crabbe was a fit man and handsome. That is enough for me.

    Perfection just isn't perfection.

    He's just fine, not particularly special in any physical way, aside from Byzantine considerations about perfection. That was that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    I'm sure Crabbe was overdoing the facial thing as a mugging that was very common in the 30's and 40's in stars. Cary Grant did it ad nauseum in Arsenic and Old Lace and Gunga Din.
    You are mistaking punctual farcical grimaces during acting for sustained smarminess in what is supposed to be a generally natural and fresh demeanor... damn i find that term so fitting in this case

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Also, I don't think the cheek shots were of Crabbe, as he still was wearing trunks in that scene after the run through.
    That's precisely why I mentioned them as the only element of physical attractiveness in the clip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    The argument for clothing doesn't depend on protecting children.
    Please, put that phrase aside and keep it at hand for a topic of discussion explicitly aiming at female nipples or human genitals in general
    When people keep using certain statements as arguments for or against something to which they are not at all related, they make them related to the topic by force, even if it is only by wacko-force.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    As I explicitly stated in my post about taking children to swim meets, the parent's goal is not to protect children from seeing unclothed bodies, but to see them in context.
    That one too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Public nudity IS a distraction in most cultures, and it is perfectly legitimate to regulate it and to a local standard.

    Hygiene is a ruse. Enlightened is pejorative no matter who is using the term.
    Public nudity is a problem to people who either were wrongly raised to believe that it is a problem per se, or who merely have a personal fetish or taboo that they want to relate to the rest of the world by making it pass for some God-given rule of nature that everyone should observe, under penalty of being considered a filthy wacko.
    Last edited by belamo; December 26th, 2013 at 08:30 AM. Reason: Bad previous nip-tuck editing... and the usual belamian expansion of arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Not that they are significantly dissimilar except when you're looking to find a distinction. As usual, you are talking to yourself in guise of having a conversation with a human being.
    I dare you to compare clips: shall we?

    If you try to find a distinction between a man and a gorilla, I'm positive you can find it too. As usual, in you like in the rest, you are making general statements ignoring facts that you take for granted, or merely choose to royally ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Public nudity IS a distraction in most cultures, and it is perfectly legitimate to regulate it and to a local standard.
    It is perfectly legitimate whenever and wherever it is legitimated... obviously when agreed upon by ALL the concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Hygiene is a ruse.
    So we agree on that. Not that I had doubted... or cared about it

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Enlightened is pejorative no matter who is using the term.
    Ok, let's consider it from the other angle and simply say "unprejudiced" or "open to discussion and change"
    Last edited by belamo; December 26th, 2013 at 08:39 AM. Reason: Error in quoting

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post

    I personally find some very acceptable ways of being dressed up and covered with hair than perfectly clean, well-groomed and shapely nudity or mere skimpiness. Just bear in mind Muslim standards for nudity, decency, etc...
    hat should, obviously, read "I personally find so very accepted ways of being dressed... less acceptable than... nudity or mere skimpiness."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    ... As usual, you are talking to yourself....
    But I am actively listening.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I don't find it fair to judge prior generations (or the present one) by the standards of hyper-evolved bodysculpting. Crabbe was a fit man and handsome. ...….
    Yes and no.

    I don't think Crabbe was handsome at all. He and Weismuller we're chosen because they could show off their body in movies but they both odd voices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I don't find it fair to judge prior generations (or the present one) by the standards of hyper-evolved bodysculpting.
    You mean "hyper-evolved" BODIES BELOW THE NECK like these Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It seems the Americans of 1934 weren't as prudish as those of 2013.

    Viz 0.45.

    So true.

    My dad used to say that "swim suits" were invented by businessmen to increase profits -- or by preachers ashamed of the human body.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Puritanism takes the brunt of attack from those who espouse socially liberal ideas of nudism, prostitution, etc. I'm OK with that. I think at some point, liberal social ideas reach the limit of common sense and ask society to believe something that is not true. An example would be the argument that prudery is the problem of the beholder. That's really bollocks, to quote the Brits. It has become fashionable to claim that sexually explicit clothing is nothing of the sort. That's imply disingenuous.
    Prudery is the problem of the beholder, because prudes don't care about context. That has nothing to do with sexually explicit clothing being sexually explicit.

    The ultimate in prudery WRT the human body is exemplified by one of my mom's friends, who refuses to watch the Olympics and maintains they should all be covered ankles to elbow to neck. As far as she's concerned, if certain skin isn't appropriate to show while dining out, it isn't appropriate anywhere.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Prudery is the problem of the beholder, because prudes don't care about context. That has nothing to do with sexually explicit clothing being sexually explicit.

    The ultimate in prudery WRT the human body is exemplified by one of my mom's friends, who refuses to watch the Olympics and maintains they should all be covered ankles to elbow to neck. As far as she's concerned, if certain skin isn't appropriate to show while dining out, it isn't appropriate anywhere.
    See, THAT'S a coherent skin-challenged freak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    If a parent doesn't want a trip to the library with a child to become a distracted episode about the near-naked man,
    Well in an ideal world, and my youth, the parent would tell the child something simple like "yes he's in a swimsuit; now stop staring and choose your books." And that's what would happen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Well in an ideal world, and my youth, the parent would tell the child something simple like "yes he's in a swimsuit; now stop staring and choose your books." And that's what would happen.



    -d-
    That's right: if the only problem is that people get "distracted", rather than distraught, as simple as in other cases: just teach the kid not to be silly and behave properly by not being rude, righteous and conceited.

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