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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by RRUGER View Post
    but did we see any black guys at all.

    lets not completely shut him down, we can talk about it.

    i like the show better simply because of the latino guy and tovey. they started doing better since they went the intimate route. i really dont like the main character, but we will see.

    i really didnt see any dark black man on the show, its interesting but i have not made my conclusion yet till i watch the whole series again to see what taralen is talking about
    What does it matter what he is talking about? By his own admission he has only watched one episode. His observstions are useless based on seeing a single episode out of 8. Why does there have to be a "dark black man" on the show? Are they less black than a light-skinned black man? I just don't get it. If there is a difference I apologize for my ignorance. I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?
    Apparently you have to stop watching the show but come back here bitching about it.

    Also, hello there older homo guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    What does it matter what he is talking about? By his own admission he has only watched one episode. His observstions are useless based on seeing a single episode out of 8. Why does there have to be a "dark black man" on the show? Are they less black than a light-skinned black man? I just don't get it. If there is a difference I apologize for my ignorance. I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?
    the point is man, there is always the representation in the gay culture of the preference of a lighter skin black guy than a dark skin one. I feel that there should be a black guy on the show not necessarily be the main character but at least the existence of one. This why some blacks claim racism within the gay community.
    I don't blame you, its just your lack of not wearing the same pair of shoes.
    the guy is probably pissed off and just judged the series on the little he has seen, which i dont blame him either. what made me stick with the show was the connection between the guy and his boss and eddie. it was intersting and quite realistic

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    There is also a representation in the gay culture for the preference of young hot guys instead of older guys like myself. No, I haven't worn those shoes only my own. I realize I am at the top of the pole of this screwed up society. White older successful male. As an older gay male I see a lot of age discrimination in our community. Look at your avatar. In fact, look at almost all the avatars on JUB. Hot sexy bodies of 20 something guys. I'm not saying being older is the same as being black, not even close, but there are similarities to all kinds of misrepresentations and we just have to live with it. After all, it's just a TV show.

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    my avatar is mines and no we don't have to live with it.

    I disagree with that, so we should have to live with hate crimes, intolerance and inequality, slavery. change is always going to be good.

    it doesnt mean because things are just darn bad we should get used to it.

    when you watch tv, thats a projection , a vision and opportunity to enlighten others not just randomly portray half truths.

    i enjoy this show for what it is and i am not asking it to be a role model but it would be fairly respensible to at least have a black gay man in it just not perpuate blacks dont exist.

    its fucked up

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    You are putting words in my words. I didn't say we should just live with all these things you have listed. I only meant the way we are sometimes portrayed in the media. Black, old, trans; whatever. All the things you listed are social wrongs that do need changed and no we shouldn't just live with those. It is fucked up.

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyPaine View Post

    The Richie/Patrick thing seems sort of doomed-- too much to overcome in the class differences there and I'm hoping they don't take it in the direction of "working class Richie is really in touch with his emotions in a way that uptight yuppie Patrick isn't and teaches Patrick how to feel"-- that whole nobility of the common man is a bit played.

    Similarly, I'm hoping they don't try and create a Brian/Justin (QAF) thing out of it where they are constantly breaking up and getting back together and even if they don't know they're right for each other, the audience surely does, etc.
    I don't know about that theme being "played", but I don't think it has that much to do with class difference directly. I think it is more a difference of emotional maturity and being secure in oneself, which is a product of class, but if you think of the "machismo" culture that Richie most likely had to overcome, I'm sure it was just as much pressure as Patrick's yuppie roots. That is a challenge that all Gay men have to go through and I think the show seeks to highlight that in different ways. With Patrick this manifests itself in never having had a relationship, and not being mature enough to see what's in front of him or knowing how to respect someone who is really close to you. With Richie, it manifests itself in giving over fully to his emotions so much as to make irrational decisions (jumping out of car on freeway).

    Quote Originally Posted by prudyprudestein View Post
    Great ending or starting point for next season.
    I think Richie is my favorite, hairy latin with a tender soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpeggi View Post
    I think Patrick will be stronger after the events of the finale. I think he knows what he wants now, and it isn't Kevin. His insecurity drives much of what I find interesting in the show. I'd love to see him with Richie, but Richie was spot on about Patrick not being ready.
    Totally agree, you can tell he has a little more maturity/experience when it comes to reading people in relationships.

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by RRUGER View Post
    when you watch tv, thats a projection , a vision and opportunity to enlighten others not just randomly portray half truths.

    i enjoy this show for what it is and i am not asking it to be a role model but it would be fairly respensible to at least have a black gay man in it just not perpuate blacks dont exist.

    its fucked up
    RRUGER I understand the frustration with there not being many black characters on the show, but you cannot say that because of that it is displaying a "half truth". Please refer to my post #151. Summary: There are not that many black people in San Francisco. Let alone Gay Black Men who are Out. The only half truth according to the data is that there are not enough men of Asian descent on the show.

    The whole light-skin/Dark-skin argument is a little shaky as well. You still haven't said why him being darker would change the value of the show...

    Remember, you have to find a good dark skin black actor to portray one of these characters. That requires finding young black actors willing to portray gay men on screen, knowing that it could pin hold them into only playing gay characters from here on, because there are not many black roles in Hollywood to begin with.

    I dont think it is perpetuating the idea that blacks don't exist, nor do I feel like it is a racist show or perpetuating racism, but I strongly feel in this show, you dont see many black people, because realistically there aren't many in San Francisco. Even observing the extras and people in streets, you dont see any black people. That is because we are not highly concentrated in the city of San Francisco (see post #151). HBO usually keeps its drama series' pretty close to reality.

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    checking

    listen, whether the data us real half truth or not.

    The point is inclusion of a dark male is necessary in my opinion

    whether there are not many black people in sanfrancisco or not does not make it right not to inlcude one.

    plus tehre are many talented dark skin actors, thats not an excuse.

    at the end of the day we all have our opinons.

    I hope next season they do include a dark skin black male. i feel this show has a very good potential. they need to open it up some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    You are putting words in my words. I didn't say we should just live with all these things you have listed. I only meant the way we are sometimes portrayed in the media. Black, old, trans; whatever. All the things you listed are social wrongs that do need changed and no we shouldn't just live with those. It is fucked up.
    we shouldnt live with racism or ageism amongst the gay community either.

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    I hope next season they do include a dark skin black male.
    they won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRUGER View Post
    the point is man, there is always the representation in the gay culture of the preference of a lighter skin black guy than a dark skin one.
    OK this is a good point.

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    I fail to see what difference it would make if there was a dark skin versus a light skin black person....

    As I said before...I think this series is perfect for what it is at the moment. I also say that about the series Soul Food...never missed an episode. The cast was all black..they were all great. I loved the show. I don't think it would have been any better if they had racial diversity. It was perfect just the way it was. Period.

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I fail to see what difference it would make if there was a dark skin versus a light skin black person....

    As I said before...I think this series is perfect for what it is at the moment. I also say that about the series Soul Food...never missed an episode. The cast was all black..they were all great. I loved the show. I don't think it would have been any better if they had racial diversity. It was perfect just the way it was. Period.
    This is my point also. I just can't see the difference between having a light-skinned black guy or a dark skinned guy. As I stated before I loved Noahs Arc. There was no white main character and there was no need to have one. It was about a group of black friends and that was the focus, as it should be. I don't understand why everything written, filmed, etc. has to always be diverse. Life certainly isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I don't understand why everything written, filmed, etc. has to always be diverse. Life certainly isn't.
    Actually life IS diverse and that's the point. Only certain pockets of certain communities cull their lives in a way to preclude diversity and that isn't something anyone should be proud of.

    I don't think Taralen picks and chooses his battles carefully, and I still think Looking is diverse for having people of color on it. However, the discussion of skin color is an important one and I'm glad Taralen and RRuger brought it up. Unfortunately though, that's a problem across the board in film and television, not something particular to this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    Actually life IS diverse and that's the point. Only certain pockets of certain communities cull their lives in a way to preclude diversity and that isn't something anyone should be proud of.

    I don't think Taralen picks and chooses his battles carefully, and I still think Looking is diverse for having people of color on it. However, the discussion of skin color is an important one and I'm glad Taralen and RRuger brought it up. Unfortunately though, that's a problem across the board in film and television, not something particular to this show.

    sgt pepper, I couldnt agree more.

    well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    This is my point also. I just can't see the difference between having a light-skinned black guy or a dark skinned guy. As I stated before I loved Noahs Arc. There was no white main character and there was no need to have one. It was about a group of black friends and that was the focus, as it should be. I don't understand why everything written, filmed, etc. has to always be diverse. Life certainly isn't.
    We saw white people in NOAHS arc

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    they won't.
    unfortunate

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Slightly off topic, but does anyone know which episode of The Golden Girls Patrick was watching at the end of the last episode?

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    Now watching through the whole season and now that we know the backstories a little bit, i think Season 2 will be like night and day! I can't wait!

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    Love Richie. The chemistry between him and Patrick is so hot!!!

    Can't stand Agustin!

    Cannot wait for season 2

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    just finished watching- started slow, but got better. They can get rid of the Augustine character- no interest in him- total dick....give us more Dom!

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    Jonathan Groff is so cute.

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    I'm going to be careful with how I say this.

    I enjoyed the show. Think it's great, honestly in my top ten.

    I also think there's something off about gay culture in the United States and race, but I'd warn anyone who is paying much attention to that fact to be careful. The more you notice it and give your voice to complaints about it the more it will show up in your lived experience. That's really "woo," but I've found it to be true.

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