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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Really. What was that all about? Patrick was a total mess and he should have just sucked it up and been there for him no matter what an ass Patrick was being. This is what you do when you love someone, if he indeed loves him. Haven't heard those words from either one yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    Really. What was that all about? Patrick was a total mess and he should have just sucked it up and been there for him no matter what an ass Patrick was being. This is what you do when you love someone, if he indeed loves him. Haven't heard those words from either one yet.
    What are you talking about? They are in the beginning of their relationship, who said anything about love? My partner is, like many here, a fan of Richie and he look at me funny when I said that Richie seems like the guy who runs away in a second when the first thing he doesn´t like happens.

    Good or bad move, the episode was entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaggii View Post
    What are you talking about? They are in the beginning of their relationship, who said anything about love? My partner is, like many here, a fan of Richie and he look at me funny when I said that Richie seems like the guy who runs away in a second when the first thing he doesn´t like happens.

    Good or bad move, the episode was entertaining.
    I said "if" he loves him. Of course I am coming from a different perspective as I fell in love with my husband of 34 yrs. the second I layed eyes on him and I was only 17. I knew that night I was going to spend the rest of my life with him but he checked out early. I am a fan of Ritchie also just stating how he just left Patrick hanging there on the road with all the shit he was already dealing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I said "if" he loves him. Of course I am coming from a different perspective as I fell in love with my husband of 34 yrs. the second I layed eyes on him and I was only 17. I knew that night I was going to spend the rest of my life with him but he checked out early. I am a fan of Ritchie also just stating how he just left Patrick hanging there on the road with all the shit he was already dealing with.
    Yeah I guess we put personal stories over what we see on tv. Personally, I don´t believe in love at first sight (lust, maybe, love comes later) so maybe that´s why I see it this way. None of them said more than just ¨being boyfriends¨. There are some feelings there, sure, but I see it more as ¨lets see where it´s going¨.
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    I love Richie, but I actually don't want him with Patrick. Something about the two doesn't quite work for me. At least, not as well as Patrick and Kevin work for me. The chemistry was a little more there for me since their first scenes together. In a way, I hope that Richie becomes his own character, separate from Patrick. I would like to see more about him.

    On a different note, does anyone else not care for Augustin? My opinion of him has gone downhill throughout the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    I love Richie, but I actually don't want him with Patrick. Something about the two doesn't quite work for me. At least, not as well as Patrick and Kevin work for me. The chemistry was a little more there for me since their first scenes together. In a way, I hope that Richie becomes his own character, separate from Patrick. I would like to see more about him.

    On a different note, does anyone else not care for Augustin? My opinion of him has gone downhill throughout the season.
    I don't

    I don't. He exhibits traits I detest in a man. He shits on his friends and appears unable to be supportive and happy for them. He lies to his boyfriend and has him have sex with a hooker for his own personal gain. I'm glad he is on the show because, lets face it, guys like him exsist in the real world.

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    On a different note, does anyone else not care for Augustin? My opinion of him has gone downhill throughout the season.
    Augustin has a horrible attitude. I never had a high opinion of him and I was over him when he made that "slumming" comment... and he can't even split rent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    [/B]I don't

    I don't. He exhibits traits I detest in a man. He shits on his friends and appears unable to be supportive and happy for them. He lies to his boyfriend and has him have sex with a hooker for his own personal gain. I'm glad he is on the show because, lets face it, guys like him exsist in the real world.
    Oh yeah...they sure do exist. I am cool with guys like Augustin socially as long as I see who they are and keep them at arms length. My problem is when they complain about what "happened to them" and I have to decide whether to say what I really think or keep my mouth shut.

    My favorite guys are Dom and Frank and the guy I like the least is Kevin. I like Richie too but I don't see the chemistry with Patrick. I thought it was good that he left because he sensed the vibe...I hope he found a ride home

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    ^

    I like Dom and Frank also. I'm just curious, what don't you like about Kevin? He has not been the center of many scenes so I haven't really formed an opinion on him yet. He becomes a regular next season. Just in reference to their characters, I like all of them with the exception of Augustin. He's a dick, and not in the good way.

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    i dont like patrick he is annoying he doent dederve richie or anyone else, he augustine deserve each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    ^

    I like Dom and Frank also. I'm just curious, what don't you like about Kevin? He has not been the center of many scenes so I haven't really formed an opinion on him yet. He becomes a regular next season. Just in reference to their characters, I like all of them with the exception of Augustin. He's a dick, and not in the good way.
    Too many years behind the bar in a gay club is why I dislike Kevin. I had more than a few "Kevins" interested in me and we don't click at all and they are pushy and arrogant...kinda like when he kissed Richie in the bathroom while he was there with his BF. Those types of guys don't think other people's rules apply to them. When he was talking to Patrick it looked like he wanted to eat him and that was when he was with Richie. I really dislike that type of men...but who knows...they could write him different I suppose in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Too many years behind the bar in a gay club is why I dislike Kevin. I had more than a few "Kevins" interested in me and we don't click at all and they are pushy and arrogant...kinda like when he kissed Richie in the bathroom while he was there with his BF. Those types of guys don't think other people's rules apply to them. When he was talking to Patrick it looked like he wanted to eat him and that was when he was with Richie. I really dislike that type of men...but who knows...they could write him different I suppose in the future.
    The problem is that most of these characters are petulant which is why it is easy to dislike them. It's the: "if I can't have my way, I'm gonna throw a hissy fit and then make everyone sympathize with me after I lay waste to everything around me." It may work a couple times but after that, you just let them have their tantrum and ignore them like the elephant in the room they are.

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    Damn... This show just started getting good and next week is the finale, WTF?
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    They should have made 'Looking' an anthology and had three or four seasons (max) in different cities with different characters. Chicago, DC, and New Orleans/Miami/Dallas would have been good options.

    I can't see following these characters for longer than 10 episodes or so - maybe Dom and his funny girl roommate can move to a different city and make new friends leading to season 2.

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    I have enjoyed watching this show. Does anyone know if it is coming back for season 2 and if so when?

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    ^Yes Looking has been renewed for a second season. My guess is it will return at the beginning of next year.

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    Great finale!

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    I don't know what you guys see in this show. They don't even have a black acting white guy. Queer of folk had that for fucks sake.
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    I am glad that there is finally a show that has gay characters I am familiar with. Maybe it is San Francisco...I was familiar with the Tales of the City characters as well. I rarely can relate entirely to any fictional character so it is kinda eerie for me to watch them....

    I like the show exactly how it is....look forward to watching season two now. Going forward..I dislike Kevin even more tonight that I did last week. I think Patrick is a mess because he knows the truth but likes to pretend it isn't the truth...too bad it will be at a lot of other people's expense. I don't think he is the type to overcome his upbringing.

    I still like Dom and Franck the best.

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    By the finale last night, the show is starting to gel for me. (I binge watched episodes 2-8 yesterday)
    It took them way too long to flesh out who everyone was, but at least now you get a sense of who they are and what drives them.

    I had suspected Augustin had rich parents and/or a trust fund, and that seemed to have been confirmed in the finale-- he was getting the money to pay CJ from somewhere.

    The Richie/Patrick thing seems sort of doomed-- too much to overcome in the class differences there and I'm hoping they don't take it in the direction of "working class Richie is really in touch with his emotions in a way that uptight yuppie Patrick isn't and teaches Patrick how to feel"-- that whole nobility of the common man is a bit played.

    Similarly, I'm hoping they don't try and create a Brian/Justin (QAF) thing out of it where they are constantly breaking up and getting back together and even if they don't know they're right for each other, the audience surely does, etc.

    I like Dom and Doris - that whole relationship seems real, Dom and Lynn, too. But I'm still struggling with how he's good friends with Patrick and Augustin-- the fact that he and Patrick had a one night stand doesn't seem to be enough to base a friendship on-- they would seem to have very little in common.

    Guess I will just have to wait for season 2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    I don't know what you guys see in this show. They don't even have a black acting white guy. Queer of folk had that for fucks sake.
    The actor who plays Frank is half black and the character is portrayed as a black character. Including Richie and Augustin as Latino characters, the show is actually pretty diverse for its small cast.

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    Kevin showed his true colors in this episode. After doing Patrick and Patrick asks him where do we go from here, he says I don't know and splits. I believe he is a user out for his own gratification and nothing else. Augustin was again in his usual form. The way his face lights up when he tells him maybe it's over with Ritche. He appears to get enjoyment from other peoples troubles, nasty. I don't think I'm ever going to like him.

    Dom has always been and remains my favorite. He's kind, sensitive and appears to really care how his friends are doing and feeling. My kind of guy. Looking forward to season two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    They don't even have a black acting white guy. Queer of folk had that for fucks sake.
    Been scratching my brain on this one - who was the "black acting white guy" on QAF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    Dom has always been and remains my favorite. He's kind, sensitive and appears to really care how his friends are doing and feeling. My kind of guy. Looking forward to season two.
    Mine too, but it's still unclear why/how he is friends with Patrick and Agustin. He may have hooked up with Patrick once (that was referenced in one of the last two episodes) but they seem to be unlikely friends

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    Patrick is a true friend to Agustin who is a privileged jerk and selfishly played with Frankie's emotions. Glad Frankie kicked him out, now Agustin might grow up some. Richie has his own issue but does like Patrick a lot. He's willing to work it out with him. He isn't about fucking Patrick and leaving him. In fact Richie offered to bottom for Richie and top him when he was ready.
    Kevin has wanted Patrick since day one and finally had him on bottom and fucked him. That could spell problems for them both in their working relationship and with Kevin's partner.
    Dom is really into Lynn and finally showed his affection strongly by kissing him.
    The show will be back next season. Great ending or starting point for next season.
    I think Richie is my favorite, hairy latin with a tender soul.

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    I really enjoyed this season and I'm sad it was so short. The Richie and Patrick episode was one of the best 30 minutes of television I've seen in a long time.
    I don't like the other characters quite so much. Augustin is a jerk, but I don't care about him much anyway. And Frank barely existed. Dom is okay.

    I think Patrick will be stronger after the events of the finale. I think he knows what he wants now, and it isn't Kevin. His insecurity drives much of what I find interesting in the show. I'd love to see him with Richie, but Richie was spot on about Patrick not being ready.

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    I'm glad I went back and gave the show another chance. It wasn't until the latter episodes that I finally started to care about the characters and "feel" something from this show. I think it just got off to a relatively slow start, but it has actually grown on me. I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with this next season. They've set things up for some good storylines and character development.

    It's funny that I didn't think I would like Dom at all, but he's pretty much my favorite now. Patrick is just...I don't know. Sometimes I like him, but I've lost count at how many times I've rolled my eyes at something he would say or do. Agustin is most surprising for me...because I go back and forth between liking him and despising him. He's the type that would be a good friend, but you would have to constantly "check" him, if you know what I mean. I do relate to his "trying to find himself" ordeal...minus the selfishness.

    I would like to see Patrick and Richie really work out at some point, but I can tell there may be a lot of drama before they have their happily ever after. Patrick needs to grow up a bit first.
    Very excited to see how things work out for Dom as time goes on though.


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    I loved the finale except the last 5 minutes, but I blame my expectations on this since one doesn't have to expect anything from a TV show.

    My thoughts... Richie is a troubled man and he should take his own advice and grow the fuck up. patrick is young at mind and does mistakes that will come after him, but then again didn't we all do crap in our lifetimes? He didn't do wrong to anyone though, so that's why Richie is not a good option for him since he needs someone with a mature way of thinking. Augustine thinks about himself to be an artist because mummy and daddy didn't get him the right car for his sweet sixteen and Dom finally grows up emotionally.

    Interesting season, slow start but nice plot twists.

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by sdrival View Post
    I wasn't into Patrick and Kevin having sex when Kevin has a boyfriend and Patrick was still sort of in a relationship with Richie. Also the way Kevin lured Patrick back to work claiming to need help with something when he really didn't was kind of creepy. You can't start a relationship that way. But, since they did have sex at the office, how could they not use those chair swings!?!
    It feeds into the nonsense that most gays purport of an "open relationship". In the real world, it just doesn't work in the long-run and it's obvious to see why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    The actor who plays Frank is half black and the character is portrayed as a black character. Including Richie and Augustin as Latino characters, the show is actually pretty diverse for its small cast.
    Yeah half black in real life, his character is very fair skinned, and he isn't even American. And I don't watch the show, but is he being featured that much?

    Latino isn't a race and some even identify themselves as white. Asian guy was killed off right.

    Only seen the premiere episode so forgive me. I'd rather see two dogs stuck together after mating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdrival View Post
    Patrick was still sort of in a relationship with Richie.
    He probably thought the relationship was dead anyway, though his reaction at the end of the episode shows he might have had some hope left in him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    Yeah half black in real life, his character is very fair skinned, and he isn't even American. And I don't watch the show, but is he being featured that much?
    You say you want diversity but you sure as hell have the perfect image in your head and you will not be satisfied until you see it on a show that (wow) you don´t even watch. Is it diversity or own image that you look for?

    And what is it with people always reminding others about what they don´t watch?
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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    I am perplexed by this also. Why would you post on a show you have no interest in and only watched one episode. What can possibly be your reference point if you don't know what has happened in the subsequent 7 episodes and why would you give a damn?

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

    And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.
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    It's self-parody at this point Taralen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

    And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.
    Yeah yeah everything is racist, white people are all devils. Let me guess, you have a tumblr account?

    And no, one episode doesn´t sum up the entire series ¨quite well¨. You can´t make that statement unless you saw the whole show. Do you say you read a whole book after the first chapter?
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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

    And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.


    How is that possible? How could one episode of an 8 episode series sum up an entire season? You haven't seen the whole season and can only assume what might have taken place. Even reading all other comments you can only see what others opinions are. And no, I don't think you are justified to talk about it, YOU HAVEN"T SEEN IT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    [/B]

    How is that possible? How could one episode of an 8 episode series sum up an entire season? You haven't seen the whole season and can only assume what might have taken place. Even reading all other comments you can only see what others opinions are. And no, I don't think you are justified to talk about it, YOU HAVEN"T SEEN IT!

    but did we see any black guys at all.

    lets not completely shut him down, we can talk about it.

    i like the show better simply because of the latino guy and tovey. they started doing better since they went the intimate route. i really dont like the main character, but we will see.

    i really didnt see any dark black man on the show, its interesting but i have not made my conclusion yet till i watch the whole series again to see what taralen is talking about

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    Re: HBO's new show "Looking" starring Jonathan Groff

    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    Because it's 2014, the show is set in San Francisco, and it's once again proving this community is racist.

    And seeing the first episode i'm justified to talk about it. I can understand if I never saw the show at all. The first episode summed up the entire series quite well.
    Wait, wait, wait.

    Your first complaint is that it's set in America but has international actors.
    Your next complaint is that the black guy is "too lighted skinned" and "dominating".
    Then you complain that he's not black at all.
    Then you "boycott" because there aren't ENOUGH black characters, while saying this show is more popular than Noah's Arc(it isn't - both, so far, have had or will have two seasons and only one had a movie), yet go on about DIVERSITY(refer to complaint number 1).
    THEN you inform us that you've only watched one episode(which isn't true, as you've stated you've watched at least three).
    Then you complain that the community is racist?!

    I agree with Sgt. Pepper - you've gone way far into self-parody and are only serving your own ideals of what diversity should be, rather than what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moufofkhaos View Post
    wait, wait, wait.

    Your first complaint is that it's set in america but has international actors.
    Your next complaint is that the black guy is "too lighted skinned" and "dominating".
    Then you complain that he's not black at all.
    Then you "boycott" because there aren't enough black characters, while saying this show is more popular than noah's arc(it isn't - both, so far, have had or will have two seasons and only one had a movie), yet go on about diversity(refer to complaint number 1).
    Then you inform us that you've only watched one episode(which isn't true, as you've stated you've watched at least three).
    Then you complain that the community is racist?!

    I agree with sgt. Pepper - you've gone way far into self-parody and are only serving your own ideals of what diversity should be, rather than what it is.

    but he is right about the black character though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRUGER View Post
    but he is right about the black character though.
    What is he right about? That he's too light-skinned? That he's dominating(the 5 episodes I watched, I've yet to see him as such - Patrick is more domineering!)? That he's not black or not black enough?
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    Damn site editing - hate double posting.

    I just don't get his logic - if he doesn't like the show(and I've been vocal about my displeasure), then that's fine... but if you don't like it because it doesn't feature the right amount of blackness, with the right color skin, then I don't and can't follow. While I too want diversity - and TRUE diversity at that - I'm not looking to see a mirror... I'd have a better chance of seeing that in Sons of Anarchy.

    And I still want to know who this "white acting" gay black man was on QAF that supposedly had a big part, or one big enough to mention - the couple that seemed like the mirror to the knockoff "Days of Our Lives" tv show that both got Emmitt to suck their dicks? The Flight Attendant that Emmitt slept with/sucked off while dating Ted? Because those are the only two "white acting" black guys I really remember.
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    I enjoyed this series. Can't wait for season 2. The last episode kept you wanting more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRUGER View Post
    but did we see any black guys at all.

    lets not completely shut him down, we can talk about it.

    i like the show better simply because of the latino guy and tovey. they started doing better since they went the intimate route. i really dont like the main character, but we will see.

    i really didnt see any dark black man on the show, its interesting but i have not made my conclusion yet till i watch the whole series again to see what taralen is talking about
    What does it matter what he is talking about? By his own admission he has only watched one episode. His observstions are useless based on seeing a single episode out of 8. Why does there have to be a "dark black man" on the show? Are they less black than a light-skinned black man? I just don't get it. If there is a difference I apologize for my ignorance. I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?
    Apparently you have to stop watching the show but come back here bitching about it.

    Also, hello there older homo guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    What does it matter what he is talking about? By his own admission he has only watched one episode. His observstions are useless based on seeing a single episode out of 8. Why does there have to be a "dark black man" on the show? Are they less black than a light-skinned black man? I just don't get it. If there is a difference I apologize for my ignorance. I'm an older homo guy. Should I boycott the show because the only older character, Scott Bakula, isn't old enough and there should be more representing us older guys?
    the point is man, there is always the representation in the gay culture of the preference of a lighter skin black guy than a dark skin one. I feel that there should be a black guy on the show not necessarily be the main character but at least the existence of one. This why some blacks claim racism within the gay community.
    I don't blame you, its just your lack of not wearing the same pair of shoes.
    the guy is probably pissed off and just judged the series on the little he has seen, which i dont blame him either. what made me stick with the show was the connection between the guy and his boss and eddie. it was intersting and quite realistic

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    There is also a representation in the gay culture for the preference of young hot guys instead of older guys like myself. No, I haven't worn those shoes only my own. I realize I am at the top of the pole of this screwed up society. White older successful male. As an older gay male I see a lot of age discrimination in our community. Look at your avatar. In fact, look at almost all the avatars on JUB. Hot sexy bodies of 20 something guys. I'm not saying being older is the same as being black, not even close, but there are similarities to all kinds of misrepresentations and we just have to live with it. After all, it's just a TV show.

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    my avatar is mines and no we don't have to live with it.

    I disagree with that, so we should have to live with hate crimes, intolerance and inequality, slavery. change is always going to be good.

    it doesnt mean because things are just darn bad we should get used to it.

    when you watch tv, thats a projection , a vision and opportunity to enlighten others not just randomly portray half truths.

    i enjoy this show for what it is and i am not asking it to be a role model but it would be fairly respensible to at least have a black gay man in it just not perpuate blacks dont exist.

    its fucked up

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    You are putting words in my words. I didn't say we should just live with all these things you have listed. I only meant the way we are sometimes portrayed in the media. Black, old, trans; whatever. All the things you listed are social wrongs that do need changed and no we shouldn't just live with those. It is fucked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyPaine View Post

    The Richie/Patrick thing seems sort of doomed-- too much to overcome in the class differences there and I'm hoping they don't take it in the direction of "working class Richie is really in touch with his emotions in a way that uptight yuppie Patrick isn't and teaches Patrick how to feel"-- that whole nobility of the common man is a bit played.

    Similarly, I'm hoping they don't try and create a Brian/Justin (QAF) thing out of it where they are constantly breaking up and getting back together and even if they don't know they're right for each other, the audience surely does, etc.
    I don't know about that theme being "played", but I don't think it has that much to do with class difference directly. I think it is more a difference of emotional maturity and being secure in oneself, which is a product of class, but if you think of the "machismo" culture that Richie most likely had to overcome, I'm sure it was just as much pressure as Patrick's yuppie roots. That is a challenge that all Gay men have to go through and I think the show seeks to highlight that in different ways. With Patrick this manifests itself in never having had a relationship, and not being mature enough to see what's in front of him or knowing how to respect someone who is really close to you. With Richie, it manifests itself in giving over fully to his emotions so much as to make irrational decisions (jumping out of car on freeway).

    Quote Originally Posted by prudyprudestein View Post
    Great ending or starting point for next season.
    I think Richie is my favorite, hairy latin with a tender soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpeggi View Post
    I think Patrick will be stronger after the events of the finale. I think he knows what he wants now, and it isn't Kevin. His insecurity drives much of what I find interesting in the show. I'd love to see him with Richie, but Richie was spot on about Patrick not being ready.
    Totally agree, you can tell he has a little more maturity/experience when it comes to reading people in relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRUGER View Post
    when you watch tv, thats a projection , a vision and opportunity to enlighten others not just randomly portray half truths.

    i enjoy this show for what it is and i am not asking it to be a role model but it would be fairly respensible to at least have a black gay man in it just not perpuate blacks dont exist.

    its fucked up
    RRUGER I understand the frustration with there not being many black characters on the show, but you cannot say that because of that it is displaying a "half truth". Please refer to my post #151. Summary: There are not that many black people in San Francisco. Let alone Gay Black Men who are Out. The only half truth according to the data is that there are not enough men of Asian descent on the show.

    The whole light-skin/Dark-skin argument is a little shaky as well. You still haven't said why him being darker would change the value of the show...

    Remember, you have to find a good dark skin black actor to portray one of these characters. That requires finding young black actors willing to portray gay men on screen, knowing that it could pin hold them into only playing gay characters from here on, because there are not many black roles in Hollywood to begin with.

    I dont think it is perpetuating the idea that blacks don't exist, nor do I feel like it is a racist show or perpetuating racism, but I strongly feel in this show, you dont see many black people, because realistically there aren't many in San Francisco. Even observing the extras and people in streets, you dont see any black people. That is because we are not highly concentrated in the city of San Francisco (see post #151). HBO usually keeps its drama series' pretty close to reality.

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