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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm very sorry that you're decided to give up your salvation that Jesus offered you. I sincerely feel sorry for you and understand the pain your family is going through.
    Wow, did you just imply that his family is ashamed of him for not being a raving Christianist like some here?

    I am very sorry that you can't seem to make your own choices without the Mother Party or the Church telling you what they have to be. Jesus would be ashamed of most of those choices btw.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Oh that's right.

    I thought us Jews had to be perfected, right?




    My God, I didn't want to believe it, but you people really believe that shit.
    I always wonder, why can't any of those crazy demented right-wing women pronounce the word "America" properly?
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I have always taken the side of the Indians. I am a born pagan...meaning...no one ever told me to be a pagan and it is how I always felt. It is what I believe naturally with no outside influence. I didn't even know other people believed what I did until I read about the Indians and then later in life I figured out I was a pagan...didn't even know there was a name for it... and there were lots more of "me".
    I have always felt I was in the wrong section of the choir. I was raised Baptist and therein lies my problems with Christians. I've just recently found websites to Indian knowledge and am finding my place in this. I found in 1988 that my Dad was 1/2 Blackfoot and always knew my Mom was some kind of Indian just didn't know what tribe. She found family dating back 150 years in the south of San Antonio area. That would be basically Lipan Apache but then I found a cousin a couple of weeks has found a GGGrandmother who was Cherokee. So I'm still searching. There is areas west of San Antonio that shows some Comanche. So I just may be all over the Nations. Don't forget Mayan and Aztec goes south in that area also.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    I can't believe I am saying this, but Coulter actually didn't mean the "Jews have to be perfected" line in a racial, but purely religious way. She was opposing religions, not races. I mean, she is still a bigoted bitch, but this wasn't racial.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I can't believe I am saying this, but Coulter actually didn't mean the "Jews have to be perfected" line in a racial, but purely religious way. She was opposing religions, not races. I mean, she is still a bigoted bitch, but this wasn't racial.
    In reference to Jack's post that he was disappointed in White Eagle for rejecting Christianity, that is what the clip was for.

    And I would argue that being Jewish is much more than a religion. I am ethnically Jewish. The Bible does not mention matzo ball soup, wearing yarmulkes, or stomping on a bottle at your wedding.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    And I would argue that being Jewish is much more than a religion. I am ethnically Jewish. The Bible does not mention matzo ball soup, wearing yarmulkes, or stomping on a bottle at your wedding.
    That's my point. She wasn't being anti-semitic, just religiously intolerant. Which is why she got confused when he got offended, cause she didn't mean Jews as a race or culture, but just the religion they follow. I mean, it's still outrageous, just... slightly less so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That's my point. She wasn't being anti-semitic, just religiously intolerant. Which is why she got confused when he got offended, cause she didn't mean Jews as a race or culture, but just the religion they follow. I mean, it's still outrageous, just... slightly less so.
    No she really meant "Jews" the people. She would have said Jewish religion otherwise. Coulter is not stupid, but she is a bitch.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Well, yes, but Jews as in "followers of the Jewish religion", same as "Christians". Not "Jews" like "African Americans" for example.

    Ugh, why am I defending her at all? The vile cunt...
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Well, yes, but Jews as in "followers of the Jewish religion", same as "Christians". Not "Jews" like "African Americans" for example.

    Ugh, why am I defending her at all? The vile cunt...
    The two really are inseparable. I use this quote a lot but, "a tax on yarmulkes is a tax on Jews."

    And race and religion are both components of ethnicity.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The two really are inseparable. I use this quote a lot but, "a tax on yarmulkes is a tax on Jews."

    And race and religion are both components of ethnicity.
    I think that in the Western World, Jews are actually unique in this aspect. As in, probably the only group where race, culture and ethnicity are so tightly tied together. So yeah, in this case I agree, but I still think Coulter's comment was just her being ridiculously tone-deaf historically and culturally, and not actually intending to be offensive (which is usually her goal).
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I think that in the Western World, Jews are actually unique in this aspect. As in, probably the only group where race, culture and ethnicity are so tightly tied together. So yeah, in this case I agree, but I still think Coulter's comment was just her being ridiculously tone-deaf historically and culturally, and not actually intending to be offensive (which is usually her goal).
    I think she intentionally says things that she knows will incite a reaction...it is how she makes her money. Shock Jock. When she stops being controversial she stops making money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    You still do not know how to read. I did not say I gave up my salvation that Jesus offered. I said I'm through with Christians like those here in the US and GOP. I said once before that American Indians still have the same God and believe in Jesus. It's just the racism and hiprocracy that are in this country. How about this for your Christians?

    And you have the balls to be telling me about my salvation. Who the fuck do you think you are.
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    Thank you. There is so much truth in what you say. I have found the American Indians more Christian than Christians. They, we, worship the same God, Creator, the Earth is the Mother. Jesus is worshiped and there is no racism among the Indians. All peoples are brothers and sisters no matter their color. I have decided to give up my Christianity for the American Indians religion. My family is strong Baptists and are not gonna like what I have to say. I had to unfriend one of my favorite cousins because of all the hatred she spouses. My Nephew the same. All because of Obama. I didn't realize they were that bigoted. I shouldn't be surprised because my brothers and I went through the same teachings of bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I think she intentionally says things that she knows will incite a reaction...it is how she makes her money. Shock Jock. When she stops being controversial she stops making money.
    And that's really all that needs to be said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Wow, did you just imply that his family is ashamed of him for not being a raving Christianist like some here?

    I am very sorry that you can't seem to make your own choices without the Mother Party or the Church telling you what they have to be. Jesus would be ashamed of most of those choices btw.
    From what White Eagle said about his family -- I think he family will be saddened here on earth if he gives up his salvation.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I think she intentionally says things that she knows will incite a reaction...it is how she makes her money. Shock Jock. When she stops being controversial she stops making money.
    No argument there. But her intent was to shock with "Christianity uber alles", and instead, it came across as anti-semitism, which I don't think she intended, which is why she seems so confused when he called her on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    From what White Eagle said about his family -- I think he family will be saddened here on earth if he gives up his salvation.
    I am sure that is very relevant for those of us giving none of the fucks for your cult's idea of "salvation".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    In reference to Jack's post that he was disappointed in White Eagle for rejecting Christianity, that is what the clip was for.

    And I would argue that being Jewish is much more than a religion. I am ethnically Jewish. The Bible does not mention matzo ball soup, wearing yarmulkes, or stomping on a bottle at your wedding.
    I think Coulter mean that all need to be 'perfected' because we are all sinful and need to be saved. I'm not going to watch the vid again -- but I think it was Deutsch who first mentioned Jew and that's the direction that he wanted the conversation to go -- he wanted Coulter to look bad and he'd take the conversation anyway to make her look bad. It's what he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No argument there. But her intent was to shock with "Christianity uber alles", and instead, it came across as anti-semitism, which I don't think she intended, which is why she seems so confused when he called her on it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I am sure that is very relevant for those of us giving none of the fucks for your cult's idea of "salvation".
    I can't see becoming Christian and maintaining my Jewish heritage and identity. They are inseparable, and I'm not even religious. In fact, I'm atheist.

    And look at the way she says it, so glibly, without body language. She meant what she said because it would raise her profile and sell more books.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I think Coulter mean that all need to be 'perfected' because we are all sinful and need to be saved. I'm not going to watch the vid again -- but I think it was Deutsch who first mentioned Jew and that's the direction that he wanted the conversation to go -- he wanted Coulter to look bad and he'd take the conversation anyway to make her look bad. It's what he does.
    Oh, she needs no help to look bad. Remember her comment about Obama being a "retard"? I remember you being outraged about it and posting a thread here...

    ...no, wait. I don't.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I think Coulter mean that all need to be 'perfected' because we are all sinful and need to be saved. I'm not going to watch the vid again -- but I think it was Deutsch who first mentioned Jew and that's the direction that he wanted the conversation to go -- he wanted Coulter to look bad and he'd take the conversation anyway to make her look bad. It's what he does.
    Always the victim is blamed with you people.

    It goes something like this:

    The victim just should have never said anything, kept behind closed doors, and let the white Christian straight male (yes Coulter is against women's rights) rule the Universe, and everything would be fine. Everything WAS fine until all those civil rights activists stirred up society and turned the nation into chaos.

    Am I pretty close? I think so.
    Last edited by Alnitak; November 29th, 2013 at 02:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Always the victim is blamed with you people.

    It goes something like this:

    The victim just should have never said anything, kept behind closed doors, and let the white Christian straight male (yes Coulter is against women's rights) rule the Universe, and everything would be fine. Everything WAS fine until all those civil rights activists stirred up society and turned the nation into chaos.

    Am I pretty close? I think so.
    No ... you're not close at all. Deutsch was in full control of the conversation and got what he wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    No ... you're not close at all. Deutsch was in full control of the conversation and got what he wanted.
    Actually, yes I am.

    Victim blaming is a well established play from the conservative book because has to do with minorities being out of line from their traditional places in society, which drives conservatives batshit crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Always the victim is blamed with you people.

    It goes something like this:

    The victim just should have never said anything, kept behind closed doors, and let the white Christian straight male (yes Coulter is against women's rights) rule the Universe, and everything would be fine. Everything WAS fine until all those civil rights activists stirred up society and turned the nation into chaos.

    Am I pretty close? I think so.
    Close? nah...more than close...you nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Actually, yes I am.

    Victim blaming is a well established play from the conservative book because has to do with minorities being out of line from their traditional places in society, which drives conservatives batshit crazy.
    If you're honest -- it goes both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    If you're honest -- it goes both ways.
    It really doesn't. Because most of the groups white Christians hate actually ARE victims, and have been historically.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you're honest -- it goes both ways.
    One of my favorite Cousins lives right outside of Muskogee, Oklahoma.

    He was standing inline at a Dollar General.

    There was a woman who had already been "rang up," but there was a question about the total amount.

    She spoke to the clerk in a language that sounded "foreign."

    The woman behind her, and in front of my cousin got agitated with this lady and said, "If you want to get along in this country perhaps you should learn to speak the language of this country."

    The woman who was holding up the line turned and said, "I'm speaking Cherokee, to one of my own. If English is your preferred language perhaps you should go back to England."

    "Conservatives" much like other totalitarian groups in world History tend to be the least accepting of any forms of diversity.

    We hear them rant and rave about "Socialism," while neglecting the fact that they already have "health care" and embrace "socialists" constructs within our own American Society; taxpayer funded schools, fire protection, police protection, national infrastructure, national defense...while lying about everyone else, and pointing out distinct differences, which are more lies.

    If "liberals" or Moderates had a lick of sense they'd be calling the so called "conservatives" OUT on their totalitarian, jack booted, thug mentality.

    Native Americans/American Indians celebrate National Holidays like the rest of us do. Many have assimilated, and have for the past 200+ years.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I always wonder, why can't any of those crazy demented right-wing women pronounce the word "America" properly?
    Oh, Crap! Do I HAVE to go back and listen to it just to hear her say America? I think not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
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    Ok, I'm gonna make this post and hope it shuts you up about my salvation. I do not need your prayers for my family or myself. I am very happy and satisfied with my revelation of giving up Christianity as you see it. I still have my beliefs in God and Jesus, just adding The Creator, Mother Earth, The Eagle, the Wolf, the Owl and my totem animal the Otter.
    I think you get the picture. Now I don't want to hear any more of my salvation coming from your bigoted lips, or I should say fingers.
    Here is a website that I have a problem wondering if I should even show it to you. It is a religious Facebook page that is named Jesus is Alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTF View Post
    One of my favorite Cousins lives right outside of Muskogee, Oklahoma.

    He was standing inline at a Dollar General.

    There was a woman who had already been "rang up," but there was a question about the total amount.

    She spoke to the clerk in a language that sounded "foreign."

    The woman behind her, and in front of my cousin got agitated with this lady and said, "If you want to get along in this country perhaps you should learn to speak the language of this country."

    The woman who was holding up the line turned and said, "I'm speaking Cherokee, to one of my own. If English is your preferred language perhaps you should go back to England."

    "Conservatives" much like other totalitarian groups in world History tend to be the least accepting of any forms of diversity.

    We hear them rant and rave about "Socialism," while neglecting the fact that they already have "health care" and embrace "socialists" constructs within our own American Society; taxpayer funded schools, fire protection, police protection, national infrastructure, national defense...while lying about everyone else, and pointing out distinct differences, which are more lies.

    If "liberals" or Moderates had a lick of sense they'd be calling the so called "conservatives" OUT on their totalitarian, jack booted, thug mentality.

    Native Americans/American Indians celebrate National Holidays like the rest of us do. Many have assimilated, and have for the past 200+ years.
    Thanks for the Cherokee story, priceless. Oh, and BTW Lee Brice's song I Drive Your Truck won Song of the year at the CMA awards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTF View Post
    If "liberals" or Moderates had a lick of sense they'd be calling the so called "conservatives" OUT on their totalitarian, jack booted, thug mentality.
    Um, they do. Daily. Not sure why you put quotes either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Oh, Crap! Do I HAVE to go back and listen to it just to hear her say America? I think not!
    It's at the very beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It's at the very beginning.
    OK, I did it just for you.Uggggggggggggh
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Ok, I'm gonna make this post and hope it shuts you up about my salvation. I do not need your prayers for my family or myself. I am very happy and satisfied with my revelation of giving up Christianity as you see it. I still have my beliefs in God and Jesus, just adding The Creator, Mother Earth, The Eagle, the Wolf, the Owl and my totem animal the Otter.
    I think you get the picture. Now I don't want to hear any more of my salvation coming from your bigoted lips, or I should say fingers.
    Here is a website that I have a problem wondering if I should even show it to you. It is a religious Facebook page that is named Jesus is Alive.
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jesus...ve/90690431743
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Putting God on the same level as an otter is just plain crazy.
    At least an otter is an actual thing...
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Putting God on the same level as an otter is just plain crazy.
    Yeah...and the immaculate conception...parting the sea...and stoning people to death who plant two different crops in the same field... is sane.

    I daresay any otter on the planet has more in common with "god" than you do.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

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    For us: It's food and an excuse to see Family.... nothing more.
    We don't sit around and give thanks for what happened before, especially since we have Choctaw Indian blood in us.


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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Yeah...and the immaculate conception...parting the sea...and stoning people to death who plant two different crops in the same field... is sane.

    I daresay any otter on the planet has more in common with "god" than you do.
    The miracle of the menorah oil really did happen though.

    One time my friend and I tried to mop up the grease from a pizza at this one restaurant in Florida, and it kept reappearing.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    I was thankful for being with my entire family for the first time in seven years.

    Jeebus, I think we could argue over how good cumming feels.
    Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Um, they do. Daily. Not sure why you put quotes either.
    Really?

    Is it pretty where you live? In that nice little blue state.

    Because I live in a RED STATE, and if you don't use "finger quotation marks" as sign language when speaking, the retards aren't sure if you're being sarcastic are not.

    And being a "Libtard" living in a Red State, I use "quotation marks" (both in the written word, and with my fingers) as a self preservation measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I was thankful for being with my entire family for the first time in seven years.

    Jeebus, I think we could argue over how good cumming feels.
    Nope. No Sir. No Siree Bob! We don't don't that.

    In fact, I'm inclined to believe that many in my blood "family" haven't busted a nut in years.

    Ergo the problem with most 'conservatards.'

    Notice the half-brackets in that post?

    In writing terms that indicates not a full-quote, but second hand this is how I interpreted what I heard quote.

    Now STFU and pass the dressing.
    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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