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    Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    The other day I got involved with hijacking a thread that T-Rexx made and again please accept my apology.
    Today I was going through my Facebook pages and ran across this article by a Native Indian. This explains why the American Indians do not celebrate Thanksgiving and last year was my last Thanksgiving. I was right in that other thread when I quoted that the Pilgrims slaughtered weak men and women and children and enslaved the stronger men.
    This is an account by Squanto a member of the tribe who was sold off to slavery in Spain. You need to read all the article to see the mass murdering of Native Indians.
    So, here is a linked account of the first Thanksgiving.

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    Dennis W. Zotigh
    Writer and Cultural Specialist, Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian

    Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    In thinking about my earliest memories of elementary school, I remember being asked to bring a brown paper sack to class so that it could be decorated and worn as part of the Indian costume used to celebrate Thanksgiving. I was also instructed to make a less-than-authentic headband with Indian designs and feathers to complete this outfit. Looking back, I now know this was wrong.

    --skip--

    Squanto died in 1622, but Massasoit outlived the era of relative peace in colonial New England. On May 26, 1637, near the present-day Mystic River in Connecticut, while their warriors were away, an estimated 400 to 700 Pequot women, children and old men were massacred and burned by combined forces of the Plymouth, Massachusetts Bay and Saybrook (Connecticut) colonies and Narragansett and Mohegan allies. Colonial authorities found justification to kill most of the Pequot men and enslave the captured women and their children. Pequot slaves were sent to Bermuda and the West Indies. In 1975 the official number of Pequot people living in Connecticut was 21. Similar declines in Native population took place throughout New England as an estimated three hundred thousand Indians died by violence, and even more were displaced, in New England over the next few decades.
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    Thanks for the eye-opening post White Eagle. I don't think I'd celebrate either.

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    I have been saying it for most of my life. I don't celebrate Thanksgiving but now I am just polite and when I am wished a Happy Thanksgiving I return the sentiment...I just don't feel it. Every once in awhile though I say what I think still...used to say it all the time but I grew tired of making everyone uncomfortable.

    Last year a week after Thanksgiving the lady at the Subway I go to asked me about my Thanksgiving and I didn't feel like lying to her so I told her I didn't celebrate and followed it up with "Gee...the people who came here uninvited and sat down with the Native Americans and accepted their food and then they killed them and raped their women and stole their land and I am supposed to be thankful for that????" ...No thanks....

    She was THRILLED that I said that. I never get that reaction. I was taken aback.

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    I've never really celebrated any public holiday for the reasons that may have been intended by earlier generations. To me, thanksgiving is a reminder to eat turkey and spend time with family, both of which I enjoy.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    of course!


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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    The other day I got involved with hijacking a thread that T-Rexx made and again please accept my apology.
    Today I was going through my Facebook pages and ran across this article by a Native Indian. This explains why the American Indians do not celebrate Thanksgiving and last year was my last Thanksgiving. I was right in that other thread when I quoted that the Pilgrims slaughtered weak men and women and children and enslaved the stronger men.
    This is an account by Squanto a member of the tribe who was sold off to slavery in Spain. You need to read all the article to see the mass murdering of Native Indians.
    So, here is a linked account of the first Thanksgiving.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis...b_2160786.html
    You have to get over it sometime. Why hold a grudge in a situation that you weren't even involved in.

    No turkey, dressing, potatoes, gravy, cranberries, pumpkin pie or Wild Turkey for you.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    My family celebrates Thanksgiving but not as a celebration of what the Pilgrim colony and the Wampanoags may or may not have done to and by each other long before anyone I know ever lived. We celebrate it as a time for the family to get together, look back over the last year and give thanks for still being a family, for surviving the struggles that came our way and such benefits that came our way.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    I agree the reasoning for a Thanksgiving is misbegotten. I would point out that many holidays are based on things that are long forgotten and the important thing is to enjoy a national holiday with family or loved ones. Many of us don't have the luxury of time off whenever we please and so enjoying all family on one day requires a national holiday. That is so many of my family can enjoy the 'everything is closed' environment. That is changing in the retail industry and it is repulsive to me.

    So in short, I agree the traditional concept of Thanksgiving is an embarrassment but the connection with family, for me, is irreplaceable.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    ^
    It's not misbegotten, it's just based on only part of the tale. Those first settlers did have cause for celebration, and it's worth looking at that example. But as in a nice tidy morality tale, they also, later, provided the lesson.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    I agree with JayHawk and Kuli agree with you too but add the first one was a celebration, it took several years for the slaughter. And, Jack, why am I not surprised to see you say "get over it" because I was part of it. The spirit follows generations.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You have to get over it sometime. Why hold a grudge in a situation that you weren't even involved in.

    No turkey, dressing, potatoes, gravy, cranberries, pumpkin pie or Wild Turkey for you.
    Oh Springer. Everything that anyone would need to know about you is captured in this post. How terribly sad.

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I agree with JayHawk and Kuli agree with you too but add the first one was a celebration, it took several years for the slaughter. And, Jack, why am I not surprised to see you say "get over it" because I was part of it. The spirit follows generations.
    If I were to agree with your logic about 'you being part of it' then I would not celebrate Independence Day because my ancestors were not in the USA at the time.

    Indian tribes killed and murdered other Indian tribes -- who's side are you going to take there -- who's 'spirit' are you going to side with?

    Grudges and hate only destroy. Learn something from Topeka, KS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    ... because I was part of it. The spirit follows generations.
    I can't say I agree with this at all. None of us are victims or perpetrators of things that happened between our dead ancestors.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I can't say I agree with this at all. None of us are victims or perpetrators of things that happened between our dead ancestors.
    I've been schooling myself in Indian history. It's like the Sioux have a dance to commemorate the Wounded Knee massacre. "Ghost Dance" as the soldiers called it began. All the white people were afraid of the dance. At the end another slaughter of American Indians. It was remembering what happened and again after the "Thanksgiving". It has to be remembered and the American Indians I have been in contact with are remembering. The spirits of the past remains in you.


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    The Wounded Knee Massacre

    Congressional Medals of Honor were awarded to many of the cavalrymen who fought at Wounded Knee. Despite the current view that the battle was a massacre of innocents, the Medals still stand. Some native American and other groups and individuals continue to lobby Congress to rescind these "Medals of dis-Honor."

    The armed resistance was over. The remaining Sioux were forced into reservation life at gunpoint. Many Sioux sought spiritual guidance. Thus began a religious awakening among the tribes of North America.
    Arrival of the "Ghost Dance"

    --snip--

    The Seventh Cavalry — the reconstructed regiment lost by George Armstrong Custer — opened fire on the Sioux. The local chief, Big Foot, was shot in cold blood as he recuperated from pneumonia in his tent. Others were cut down as they tried to run away. When the smoke cleared almost all of the 300 men, women, and children were dead. Some died instantly, others froze to death in the snow.
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    The historical record here in Greece teaches the Greek student of history that some two, to three thousand years ago the city states of Greek civilisation spent much of their time at war with each other with, the Thebans, the Spartans, The Athenians, and the ultimately victorious Macedonians under their King Philip uniting Greece under one monarch, who would soon be murdered by his enemies leading to the rise of Philip's son, Megas Alexandros whose plans successfully created a Greek empire stretching east into India....all part of the human story recording war, peace, enslavement, horrors, massacres, and The Holocaust.....

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I would point out that many holidays are based on things that are long forgotten
    Which is why we camp out in parking lots on Thanksgiving.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    None of us are victims or perpetrators of things that happened between our dead ancestors.
    Today's Germans did not perpetrate the Holocaust.

    Today's American Indians take advantage of modern technology.

    We no longer die excruciating deaths from easily fixable problems that were not treatable in the Neolithic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Today's Germans did not perpetrate the Holocaust.

    Today's American Indians take advantage of modern technology.

    We no longer die excruciating deaths from easily fixable problems that were not treatable in the Neolithic.
    Indeed. That's not to say we cannot be moved by the holocaust or that we have no responsibilities to learn from it. I've seen an oven, next to a gas chamber, into which I might have been thrown on at least two counts, but that does not make me a victim of German fascism, and certainly not a victim of modern Germans.

    Of course, modern Germans do have a responsibility to improve upon that history, but the responsibility is mine as well.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Which is why we camp out in parking lots on Thanksgiving.



    Today's Germans did not perpetrate the Holocaust.

    Today's American Indians take advantage of modern technology.

    We no longer die excruciating deaths from easily fixable problems that were not treatable in the Neolithic.
    At some point everyone has to forgive and forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    At some point everyone has to forgive and forget.
    It is the damn lie that we were all force fed about the whole thing...the "hero" Americans killing the "savage" Indians. We were the savages. The "good" Christians coming to save the "depraved" Indians (who were much more spiritually correct than any Christian BTW) I don't think I will ever forget it. I don't like being force fed a bunch of lies and propaganda so it serves as a good reminder....

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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    It is the damn lie that we were all force fed about the whole thing...the "hero" Americans killing the "savage" Indians. We were the savages. The "good" Christians coming to save the "depraved" Indians (who were much more spiritually correct than any Christian BTW) I don't think I will ever forget it. I don't like being force fed a bunch of lies and propaganda so it serves as a good reminder....
    And much of the US still has the same attitude toward anyone not white. It's part of what propelled us into Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    It is the damn lie that we were all force fed about the whole thing...the "hero" Americans killing the "savage" Indians. We were the savages. The "good" Christians coming to save the "depraved" Indians (who were much more spiritually correct than any Christian BTW) I don't think I will ever forget it. I don't like being force fed a bunch of lies and propaganda so it serves as a good reminder....
    And much of the US still has the same attitude toward anyone not white. It's part of what propelled us into Iraq.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I've never really celebrated any public holiday for the reasons that may have been intended by earlier generations. To me, thanksgiving is a reminder to eat turkey and spend time with family, both of which I enjoy.
    That's cool. Everyone should be able to do what they want. I'll admit I just came back from the grocery where I bought a Stoeffers Turkey dinner for Thursday. I love turkey,
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    It is the damn lie that we were all force fed about the whole thing...the "hero" Americans killing the "savage" Indians. We were the savages. The "good" Christians coming to save the "depraved" Indians (who were much more spiritually correct than any Christian BTW) I don't think I will ever forget it. I don't like being force fed a bunch of lies and propaganda so it serves as a good reminder....
    Thank you. There is so much truth in what you say. I have found the American Indians more Christian than Christians. They, we, worship the same God, Creator, the Earth is the Mother. Jesus is worshiped and there is no racism among the Indians. All peoples are brothers and sisters no matter their color. I have decided to give up my Christianity for the American Indians religion. My family is strong Baptists and are not gonna like what I have to say. I had to unfriend one of my favorite cousins because of all the hatred she spouses. My Nephew the same. All because of Obama. I didn't realize they were that bigoted. I shouldn't be surprised because my brothers and I went through the same teachings of bigotry.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    At some point everyone has to forgive and forget.
    Oh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    It is the damn lie that we were all force fed about the whole thing...the "hero" Americans killing the "savage" Indians. We were the savages. The "good" Christians coming to save the "depraved" Indians (who were much more spiritually correct than any Christian BTW) I don't think I will ever forget it. I don't like being force fed a bunch of lies and propaganda so it serves as a good reminder....
    "We were" I think is behind the traditional idea of Thanksgiving.

    What are we now?

    Have we absolved ourselves of those sins because the United States has saved millions of starving Irish, oppressed Eastern European Jews, and indigent Mexicans?
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    The historic Thanksgiving is not worth celebrating in what transpired in the time afterwards. The idea of a day of thanks, whether with a religious or spiritual bent or not, is a great one. Especially when we celebrate with family, friends , food and merriment. The thankfulness and community with friends and family I celebrate... I cannot celebrate how terribly those original Americans were treated and I certainly understand how they would not look upon the first Thanksgiving with warm, happy hearts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    The historic Thanksgiving is not worth celebrating in what transpired in the time afterwards. The idea of a day of thanks, whether with a religious or spiritual bent or not, is a great one. Especially when we celebrate with family, friends , food and merriment. The thankfulness and community with friends and family I celebrate... I cannot celebrate how terribly those original Americans were treated and I certainly understand how they would not look upon the first Thanksgiving with warm, happy hearts.
    The religious part is especially obnoxious, given that it was the Wampanoag and not God who helped the Pilgrims, only the Indians were snuffed out of existence instead of conservative Christianity.

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    Before the Puritans came the Indians did have a celebration in the fall. It was a celebration of the harvest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Before the Puritans came the Indians did have a celebration in the fall. It was a celebration of the harvest.
    It comes as no surprise that harvest festivals are universal.

    In societies where primary sector of the economy is the occupation of a majority of people, the harvest is marked by a cessation of months of backbreaking labor, overabundance of fresh food and drink, and that naturally sets up a reason to let loose and celebrate

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    Here's another example of a family protesting the incorrect teachings of Thanksgiving. It's not clear what the school admin is saying, they are telling the family one thing and publicly saying another.
    This is gonna continue until the white citizens recognize the American Indians for who they are.

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    Family Stands Against School’s Racist Thanksgiving Curriculum
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    The Oxendine family have long valued how Montessori schools educated their four children, especially with Montessori’s stated principles of inclusiveness and compassion.

    They were, thus, thrilled when their youngest children Jada, 7, and Jase, 5, received scholarships in 2012 to the Maria Montessori School in San Diego due to their family’s Native American and military backgrounds. But now the Oxendines say an ongoing conflict over the school’s problematic, now cancelled Thanksgiving curriculum has led to the revoking of Jada’s scholarship, something school officials deny.
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    Here's the real story of Thanksgiving: ('til 4:40)



    Hey, everybody... have a Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If I were to agree with your logic about 'you being part of it' then I would not celebrate Independence Day because my ancestors were not in the USA at the time.

    Indian tribes killed and murdered other Indian tribes -- who's side are you going to take there -- who's 'spirit' are you going to side with?

    Grudges and hate only destroy. Learn something from Topeka, KS.
    This is a no brainer. The "side" I will be on is that of the Indian Tribes. You say Grudges and hate only destroy, yet you spew more hate than anyone on this forum. That first para from Noam makes more sense than you can come up with.
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    Why I’m Thankful for 500 Years of Indigenous Resistance & Why You Should be to: by Matt Remle

    “There is resistance: in Canada it’s coming from First Nations. But it’s worth remembering that that’s a world-wide phenomenon. Throughout the world, the indigenous populations are in the lead. They are actually taking the lead in trying to protect the earth….It’s pretty ironic that the so-called ‘least advanced’ people are the ones taking the lead in trying to protect all of us, while the richest and most powerful among us are the ones who are trying to drive the society to destruction.” ~ Noam Chomsky

    Starting in 1452, under the guise of the Papal Bull Romanus Pontifex and later the 1493 Papal Bull Inter Cetera, the Christian Doctrine of Discovery, European Christians began their efforts to expand colonial rule, and the Christian Empire, throughout the world.

    --snip--

    From the onset Indigenous communities have actively resisted colonial efforts. On Columbus’s return voyage to Spain to both report his findings and gather men and materials needed for colonization efforts, he had left about 35 men who were subsequently wiped out by Taino warriors. Resistance to colonization had begun.
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    At some point everyone has to forgive and forget.
    There was a quote that I can neither recall who said it or exactly what it is. I'm sure one of you will know what I'm talking about. It goes something like this. "Those who forget their past are sure to repeat it." I and other American Indians are remembering our past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    ;
    Here's the real story of Thanksgiving: ('til 4:40)



    Hey, everybody... have a Happy Thanksgiving!
    You are a mess, but I love ya. I'll make sure I don't mention this story to the Indians I have met over the past couple of months. I feel like somewhere in those stories it is NOT PC.
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    The religious part is especially obnoxious, given that it was the Wampanoag and not God who helped the Pilgrims, only the Indians were snuffed out of existence instead of conservative Christianity.
    I heard a Baptist preacher once say in a sermon that it was so wonderful for God to have placed the Indians there to be able to help His people, and so sad that they didn't turn to Him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    It is the damn lie that we were all force fed about the whole thing...the "hero" Americans killing the "savage" Indians. We were the savages. The "good" Christians coming to save the "depraved" Indians (who were much more spiritually correct than any Christian BTW) I don't think I will ever forget it. I don't like being force fed a bunch of lies and propaganda so it serves as a good reminder....

    I am not disagreeing with your point, however do you think the Spanish and French were all that decent to native peoples they came across as the conquered the western world? I know it the conquistadors were hell bringing Christianity to the new world. The vikings taking the far north were brutal. In America we could have different holiday names based on conquering people yet it would always be at the expense of those that were there first. Not defending the rational just don't seem to see how its any different anywhere on the globe. Humans are selfish animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    I am not disagreeing with your point, however do you think the Spanish and French were all that decent to native peoples they came across as the conquered the western world? I know it the conquistadors were hell bringing Christianity to the new world. The vikings taking the far north were brutal. In America we could have different holiday names based on conquering people yet it would always be at the expense of those that were there first. Not defending the rational just don't seem to see how its any different anywhere on the globe. Humans are selfish animals.
    Yeah...I do get that part...just tell the truth about it. I can have respect for even the most heinous if they own their shit. I don't have to like them or what they did but at least I can respect the truth. If it is shit...call it shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    This is a no brainer. The "side" I will be on is that of the Indian Tribes. You say Grudges and hate only destroy, yet you spew more hate than anyone on this forum. That first para from Noam makes more sense than you can come up with.
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    What hate are you talking about. I have many different opinions than you do -- that equates to hate your mind?

    You now appear to dislike, maybe hate, Christians and people that are not Indian.

    Again .. .what side will you take -- not all Indians are the same. Many murdered other tribes and made the remainders slaves. What you don't see -- it's all the same . . . the stronger try overtake the weaker no matter the color of their skin, race, country, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    I am not disagreeing with your point, however do you think the Spanish and French were all that decent to native peoples they came across as the conquered the western world?
    They were nasty enough that two popes had to reign them in.

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    Thanks kallipolis I love QE's pic.
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    The Tragedy of Wounded Knee (The Ghost Dance)
    This is a report on what happened at Wounded Knee. Very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What hate are you talking about. I have many different opinions than you do -- that equates to hate your mind?

    You now appear to dislike, maybe hate, Christians and people that are not Indian.

    Again .. .what side will you take -- not all Indians are the same. Many murdered other tribes and made the remainders slaves. What you don't see -- it's all the same . . . the stronger try overtake the weaker no matter the color of their skin, race, country, etc.
    Your hatred comes out when you talk about Obama. I want to see a link for the "remainders slaves". The killing of other Tribes were necessary when someone in their Tribe was killed, revenge. The Lipan Apache raided villages for food, and killed Spaniards just because they were there.
    I wouldn't go so far as saying I hate Christians, I am just fed up with the lies, hypocrisy, and the fact that they want all gays killed. The GOP is full of old white Christians, need I say more?
    Yes I will take the side of the Indians.
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    Re: Do American Indians Celebrate Thanksgiving?

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Your hatred comes out when you talk about Obama. I want to see a link for the "remainders slaves". The killing of other Tribes were necessary when someone in their Tribe was killed, revenge. The Lipan Apache raided villages for food, and killed Spaniards just because they were there.
    I wouldn't go so far as saying I hate Christians, I am just fed up with the lies, hypocrisy, and the fact that they want all gays killed. The GOP is full of old white Christians, need I say more?
    Yes I will take the side of the Indians.
    Pointing out the errors, mistakes, and ideology of is not hate -- especially if that person holds a very powerful position as POTUS.

    You seem to think that all American Indians were peaceful people -- I think you need to do some more research, they were just as warlike as other cultures around the world.

    Indians did keep slaves -- they even sold slaves to the 'new Americans' and also had black slaves.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery..._United_States

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    White Eagle: they raided villages and killed for vengeance.
    Jack Springer: you seem to think that all American Indians were peaceful people.

    I mean...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm very sorry that you're decided to give up your salvation that Jesus offered you.
    Oh that's right.

    I thought us Jews had to be perfected, right?




    My God, I didn't want to believe it, but you people really believe that shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Pointing out the errors, mistakes, and ideology of is not hate -- especially if that person holds a very powerful position as POTUS.

    You seem to think that all American Indians were peaceful people -- I think you need to do some more research, they were just as warlike as other cultures around the world.

    Indians did keep slaves -- they even sold slaves to the 'new Americans' and also had black slaves.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery..._United_States

    I'm very sorry that you're decided to give up your salvation that Jesus offered you. I sincerely feel sorry for you and understand the pain your family is going through.
    You still do not know how to read. I did not say I gave up my salvation that Jesus offered. I said I'm through with Christians like those here in the US and GOP. I said once before that American Indians still have the same God and believe in Jesus. It's just the racism and hiprocracy that are in this country. How about this for your Christians?

    And you have the balls to be telling me about my salvation. Who the fuck do you think you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Your hatred comes out when you talk about Obama. I want to see a link for the "remainders slaves". The killing of other Tribes were necessary when someone in their Tribe was killed, revenge. The Lipan Apache raided villages for food, and killed Spaniards just because they were there.
    I wouldn't go so far as saying I hate Christians, I am just fed up with the lies, hypocrisy, and the fact that they want all gays killed. The GOP is full of old white Christians, need I say more?
    Yes I will take the side of the Indians.
    I have always taken the side of the Indians. I am a born pagan...meaning...no one ever told me to be a pagan and it is how I always felt. It is what I believe naturally with no outside influence. I didn't even know other people believed what I did until I read about the Indians and then later in life I figured out I was a pagan...didn't even know there was a name for it... and there were lots more of "me".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    White Eagle: they raided villages and killed for vengeance.
    Jack Springer: you seem to think that all American Indians were peaceful people.

    I mean...
    Vengeance? Yeah, also retaliation for dead in wars. They did have wars. I read Jacks wiki page about slaves and found this in one part of it:
    Native American groups often enslaved war captives whom they primarily used for small-scale labor.[2] Some, however, were used in ritual sacrifice.[2] While little is known, there is little evidence that the slaveholders considered the slaves as racially inferior; they came from other Native American tribes and were casualties of war.[2] Native Americans did not buy and sell captives in the pre-colonial era, although they sometimes exchanged enslaved individuals with other tribes in peace gestures or in exchange for redeeming their own members.[2] The word "slave" may not accurately apply to such captive people.[2] Most of these so-called Native American slaves tended to live on the fringes of Native American society and were slowly integrated into the tribe.[2]
    The part in red was mine. The wiki said captives were taken to replace the warrior killed in war, to give them to the widow.
    I agree they were not necessary all that peaceful. I saw where the word Apache meant "enemy". The Apache and Comanches were not friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Oh that's right.

    I thought us Jews had to be perfected, right?




    My God, I didn't want to believe it, but you people really believe that shit.
    I could have gone a century without watching that. She is......... well I don't have to tell you. This is exactly what I mean by the Christians, those I can say I hate. And Springer you are headed in that direction. You need to be perfected.
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