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    Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    Obama must like red lines. Obama blamed his Syrian red line on the USA people and the world -- he said it wasn't his idea. He has another red line this Saturday, November 30 for his web site to be functional .. he's been blaming the republicans for his healthcare.gov web site problems, and now Obama and several other countries have set a red line in 6 months for Iran.

    I'm not sure what the red line here means -- except they want a permanent solution -- what the solution is we don't know -- limited nuclear power or full nuclear power or no nuclear power at all. The current agreement is only good for 6 months. Iran must be really happy -- $8 Billion for 6 months of showing UN Inspectors only the facilities that they want to show them. Can I get a deal like that? If only I could get my tax refund the same day as I sent my 1040 to the IRS.

    No one other than Kerry, Obama, and Iran seem to like the deal. Democrats don't. Republicans don't. The Arab world doesn't. Israel doesn't. There is even talk today about Saudi Arabia starting work on their own nuclear bomb.

    The strangest part of the whole deal seems to be the timing. Why this week? Why at 3am in the morning? Don't french speaking SOS sleep at 3am? What was so important that it had to be signed at 3am in the morning? Oh yeah, reporters did get a laugh out of Obama looking like he was talking to a crowd on Saturday night (the room was basically empty).

    I guess only time will tell if the agreement is a good deal or not. Right now it seems only this guy is smiling . . .



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    Further evidence we should have left Iraq alone and taken out Iran. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/op...f=contributors

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    I thought the original amount Iran was supposed to have access to was a bit over 4 billion? NOW it's 8 billion? We had them on the ropes and now they're rope a doping like Muhammad Ali. Thank you Barack Obama, incompetent boob.
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    I do agree though that George W Bush dropped the ball and in taking out Iraq set the wheels in motion for the current predicament with Iran. Obama just has made it inevitable that Iraq gets the bomb even though this accord is supposed to be the beginning of Nirvana. Great judgment, common sense..... very hard to get leaders who have the temperament and talents to excel in these categories but what we have received in both Bush and Obama , despite supposed intellectual heft in Obama... is the making of a recipe for a disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    I do agree though that George W Bush dropped the ball and in taking out Iraq set the wheels in motion for the current predicament with Iran. Obama just has made it inevitable that Iraq gets the bomb even though this accord is supposed to be the beginning of Nirvana. Great judgment, common sense..... very hard to get leaders who have the temperament and talents to excel in these categories but what we have received in both Bush and Obama , despite supposed intellectual heft in Obama... is the making of a recipe for a disaster.
    P5+1 plus EU demands seem to have been modest. We have established a poor benchmark.

    Are we subcontracting any action to Israel? That's my expectation. Beginning to look a lot like Israel and the Suez nationalization of the 50's again. There's dirty work afoot - or should be.


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    Israel undoubtedly will bomb Iran if it senses an existential threat, with or without the American blessing, and the Arab nations will help the Israelis do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    He has another red line this Saturday, November 30 for his web site to be functional .. he's been blaming the republicans for his healthcare.gov web site problems, and now Obama and several other countries have set a red line in 6 months for Iran.
    Please provide some evidence of the president blaming Republicans for healthcare.gov.

    The president has been fairly straightforward in accepting responsibility for this fiasco.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Iran must be really happy -- $8 Billion for 6 months of showing UN Inspectors only the facilities that they want to show them.
    Actually, inspectors now have unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.

    http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/...T2WUjd2JA.cspx

    Without the deal, we would still be in the dark about what Iran is doing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    No one other than Kerry, Obama, and Iran seem to like the deal.
    Actually, almost everyone likes it.

    World Leaders Tweet Support for Iran Nuclear Deal - Except One.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The strangest part of the whole deal seems to be the timing. Why this week? Why at 3am in the morning? Don't french speaking SOS sleep at 3am? What was so important that it had to be signed at 3am in the morning?
    So, your point is that war is better than peace negotiated into the wee hours of the morning.

    When the negotiating gets tough, you would prefer our diplomats pack up and go to bed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I guess only time will tell if the agreement is a good deal or not.
    You seem already to have decided you don't like peace in the Middle East.

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    Sand (silica) + nuclear explosion = glass


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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    The GOP and NeoCons would rather have another a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Please provide some evidence of the president blaming Republicans for healthcare.gov.

    The president has been fairly straightforward in accepting responsibility for this fiasco.
    Actually, inspectors now have unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.
    http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/...T2WUjd2JA.cspx
    Without the deal, we would still be in the dark about what Iran is doing.
    Actually, almost everyone likes it.
    World Leaders Tweet Support for Iran Nuclear Deal - Except One.
    So, your point is that war is better than peace negotiated into the wee hours of the morning.
    When the negotiating gets tough, you would prefer our diplomats pack up and go to bed.
    You seem already to have decided you don't like peace in the Middle East.

    Real world leaders don't tweet.

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    Real Scots eat haggis.

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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    Christ Almighty.

    There would be no pleasing the far right in the US over Iran unless it gets turned into a sheet of glass so that finally they could feel they really got even for the humiliating hostage taking that in itself was a get-back for the toppling of Iran;s democratically elected government in the 1950's in order to install a fake puppet prince as a bulwark against those evil Russkies.

    Deal with it. Having Iran on the outlaw side of nation states isn't working.

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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    Oh come on Springer: it's pretty amusing how a trade-off for 'ceasing uranium production for lesser economic sanctions' turned into "Iran can build nukes now" on Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Israel undoubtedly will bomb Iran if it senses an existential threat, with or without the American blessing, and the Arab nations will help the Israelis do it.
    Probably this, particularly Saudi Arabia. o.O

    I don't agree with Israeli policies/politics, but they haven't really been wrong on anything yet. I'd trust Israeli intelligence over Persian.
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    Iran was our close friend for 40 years after we killed their elected leader and put the Shah in power. The religious turn it took was in response to many years of bad government by the Shah--where the rich got richer and the poor poorer--similar to republican economics---thus the turn to religion for many years which many didn't really want but that's what happens when you put a greedy family in power after you've taken out the elected leader---my sister was married to an Iranian--he was a wonderful guy with a wonderful family---the young people in Iran want to be our friend again---more so than many places in that region---eventually this will happen--it is inevitable---(like health care for all) in spite of the morons on the right. It's easy to be a gop pres and cut taxes for the rich and send men into war--no political danger there---it's much harder to try to make peace with our enemies and give poor people access to health care---these are brave moves by real leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Christ Almighty.

    There would be no pleasing the far right in the US over Iran unless it gets turned into a sheet of glass so that finally they could feel they really got even for the humiliating hostage taking that in itself was a get-back for the toppling of Iran;s democratically elected government in the 1950's in order to install a fake puppet prince as a bulwark against those evil Russkies.

    Deal with it. Having Iran on the outlaw side of nation states isn't working.
    The far left is not happy with this at all.

    Can you tell me what this agreement does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    Oh come on Springer: it's pretty amusing how a trade-off for 'ceasing uranium production for lesser economic sanctions' turned into "Iran can build nukes now" on Fox News.



    Probably this, particularly Saudi Arabia. o.O

    I don't agree with Israeli policies/politics, but they haven't really been wrong on anything yet. I'd trust Israeli intelligence over Persian.
    Iran is not ceasing uranium production -- they have only agreed not to make the high quality stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Iran was our close friend for 40 years after we killed their elected leader and put the Shah in power. The religious turn it took was in response to many years of bad government by the Shah--where the rich got richer and the poor poorer--similar to republican economics---thus the turn to religion for many years which many didn't really want but that's what happens when you put a greedy family in power after you've taken out the elected leader---my sister was married to an Iranian--he was a wonderful guy with a wonderful family---the young people in Iran want to be our friend again---more so than many places in that region---eventually this will happen--it is inevitable---(like health care for all) in spite of the morons on the right. It's easy to be a gop pres and cut taxes for the rich and send men into war--no political danger there---it's much harder to try to make peace with our enemies and give poor people access to health care---these are brave moves by real leaders.
    This isn't what the real world looks like . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Israel undoubtedly will bomb Iran if it senses an existential threat, with or without the American blessing, and the Arab nations will help the Israelis do it.
    Yes! Yes they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama .... has another red line this Saturday, November 30 for his web site to be functional .. he's been blaming the republicans for his healthcare.gov web site problems
    What source do you get your lies from? I've listened to Obama twice now speak about the issue, and he hasn't blamed any Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The far left is not happy with this at all.

    Can you tell me what this agreement does?
    A link has been posted. There's this thing people here do called "reading". Try it.

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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    SO wait... we go to war and the left cries tears of agony enough that the right eventually joins them......

    Then we begin a negotiation process instead of war and then the right cries like stuck piggies until some lefties join in to bitch......

    So basically we would be better off doing nothing ever and just hearing the same amount of bitching?

    No wonder Europe gave up on being world powers... it sucks being the pivot man.

    The original intent in Iraq was to knock it down and establish a pincher with Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west of Iran. The plan was weak to have a follow on government and it didnt materialize.

    What is most amazing is the same people whining that Obama is talking to Iran would be the exact people crying hysterics if we bombed the nuc facilities into the stone age.

    Utterly Amusing.

    So since everyone is a world class diplomat, please identify the things you would have done in the place of our bumbling idiotic administration. Crushing the life out of a country economically is not a plan and further destabilizing the fractured middles east with a Israeli strike is not even remotely logical either.... so go for it wizzards. Take us to the next step after we have not talked diplomatically in 34 years .... jeesh
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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    ^All good points, though Israel would strike, even if it is not a logical move to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The original intent in Iraq was to knock it down and establish a pincher with Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west of Iran. The plan was weak to have a follow on government and it didnt materialize.
    The problem was that the Bush administration did not calculate the demographic make up of Iraq, likely because Republicans are not terribly cultured or aware of the outside world. Two thirds subscribe to Shiite Islam. What was a replacement government supposed to look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    I don't agree with Israeli policies/politics, but they haven't really been wrong on anything yet. I'd trust Israeli intelligence over Persian.
    And that's the magic of being Israeli. The liberal Western world hates you no matter what you do, even though you are the only westernized and developed country in that part of the world. So you have free reign to do whatever you want, without political consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^All good points, though Israel would strike, even if it is not a logical move to some.
    As long as the US doesn't strike I would support them completely. They have the right to defend themselves for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    What source do you get your lies from? I've listened to Obama twice now speak about the issue, and he hasn't blamed any Republicans.
    Here's one example ...

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: The last point I'll make is that in terms of expectation setting, there's no doubt that in an environment in which we had to fight tooth and nail to get this passed, it ended up being passed on a partisan basis -- not for lack of trying, because I met with an awful lot of Republicans to try to get them to go along -- but because there was just ideological resistance to the idea of dealing with the uninsured and people with preexisting conditions. There was a price to that, and it was that what was already going to be hard was operating within a very difficult political environment. And we should have anticipated that that would create a rockier rollout than if Democrats and Republicans were both invested in success.

    One of the problems we've had is one side of Capitol Hill is invested in failure, and that makes, I think, the kind of iterative process of fixing glitches as they come up and fine-tuning the law more challenging. But I'm optimistic that we can get it fixed. (Wall Street Journal CEO Council, November 19, 2013)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    SO wait... we go to war and the left cries tears of agony enough that the right eventually joins them......

    Then we begin a negotiation process instead of war and then the right cries like stuck piggies until some lefties join in to bitch......

    So basically we would be better off doing nothing ever and just hearing the same amount of bitching?

    No wonder Europe gave up on being world powers... it sucks being the pivot man.

    The original intent in Iraq was to knock it down and establish a pincher with Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west of Iran. The plan was weak to have a follow on government and it didnt materialize.

    What is most amazing is the same people whining that Obama is talking to Iran would be the exact people crying hysterics if we bombed the nuc facilities into the stone age.

    Utterly Amusing.

    So since everyone is a world class diplomat, please identify the things you would have done in the place of our bumbling idiotic administration. Crushing the life out of a country economically is not a plan and further destabilizing the fractured middles east with a Israeli strike is not even remotely logical either.... so go for it wizzards. Take us to the next step after we have not talked diplomatically in 34 years .... jeesh
    The people whining include many top dem Senators who want more sanctions against Iran.

    What triggers my distrust more than anything is the need to sign an agreement at 3am in the morning. What could be that important that it couldn't wait until daylight? Is Iran that close to fully building a nuclear bomb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Sand (silica) + nuclear explosion = glass

    Dammit! I was expecting a blast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    A link has been posted. There's this thing people here do called "reading". Try it.


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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    The FULL TEXT of the accord is here:

    Full Text of nuclear deal between Iran and P5 +1

    http://theiranproject.com/blog/2013/...iran-and-p5-1/

    The White House Press Release,

    Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iranís Nuclear Program,

    is here:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ublic-iran-s-n

    Secret protocols anyone?

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    Re: Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

    As if political junkies actually read the stuff they're talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    As if political junkies actually read the stuff they're talking about
    Just thought the facts should be readily available.

    You can lead a horse to water ... .

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Just thought the facts should be readily available.

    You can lead a horse to water ... .
    Iran has an auto industry

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post

    Good one!
    OK Mr. Smart Man ... tell me . . . what are the main points of the agreement.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    As if political junkies actually read the stuff they're talking about
    'We have to pass it to find out what's in it'

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    The FULL TEXT of the accord is here:

    Full Text of nuclear deal between Iran and P5 +1

    http://theiranproject.com/blog/2013/...iran-and-p5-1/

    The White House Press Release,

    Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran’s Nuclear Program,

    is here:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ublic-iran-s-n

    Secret protocols anyone?
    Thanks Palbert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The far left is not happy with this at all.

    Can you tell me what this agreement does?
    If the far left is also unhappy, I have to think that it is a good thing. The process of negotiating the SALT treaties at one time made a lot of people nervous as well. But you have to start somehwere. The world is too small to have perpetual enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Iran has an auto industry
    Think Hidalgo (2004) moved to Iran.

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    The Israeli Government's hawkish position serves to encourage Iran to negotiate seriously, and deliver on its agreement with the international community...whilst, it is reported that Israel's security services, and military have rejected an air assault on Iran's nuclear industry sites.

    I quote:

    http://972mag.com/anonymous-decision...d-barak/52617/

    Yedioth Aharonoth has an important expose: the paper’s diplomatic correspondents, Nahum Barnea and Shimon Shiffer, report that Defense Minister Ehud Barak has gathered senior army generals twice (the latest meeting took place at Mossad headquarters) in order to obtain their support for a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. He met fierce opposition on both occasions; the army is very reluctant to carry out the attack in the absence of American support, it seems. “Not a single security chief supports the attack,” Barnea and Shiffer write. Yedioth’s headline declares: “Barak and Natanyahu are determined to strike Iran in the autumn.”
    Furthermore it is also understood that any assault on Iran would embolden the postion of the hawks in the Iran government:

    http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/why-i...t-attack-iran/

    I quote:

    Perhaps most important, nearly all military analysts, in Washington and in Israel itself, believe that even an all-out Israeli attack on Iran would not eliminate its ability to produce a nuclear weapon, Indeed, as Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated last week, “I think that it’s a fair characterization to say that they could delay but not destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities.” Worse, as Israel knows, an attack would solidify the power of hawks in Iran’s government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The Israeli Government's hawkish position serves to encourage Iran to negotiate seriously, and deliver on its agreement with the international community...whilst, it is reported that Israel's security services, and military have rejected an air assault on Iran's nuclear industry sites.
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    As part of a coherant engagement policy the recent agreement can work to the benefit of all parties..time will tell...and Benny will continue to talk tough, and very loud to guarantee his re-election.....despite the Israeli war machine acknowledging its limitations when dealing with Iran.

    I also appreciate that Israel's developing relationship with Saudi Arabia, and the other Sunni Gulf states makes for strange bedfellows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Thanks for supporting my point. Obama isn't blaming the Republicans for the problem, he's just saying they're making a bad situation worse.

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    Thanks for supporting my point. Obama isn't blaming the Republicans for the problem, he's just saying they're making a bad situation worse.
    I finally stopped laughing. Read it again. Obama is blaming the republicans for the poor performance of his web site.

    Even if you believe you nonsense ... please tell me how any person outside the group of people who are working on the web site are making it harder to create a working web site? Are republicans teasing the programmers as they work in their cubicles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I finally stopped laughing. Read it again. Obama is blaming the republicans for the poor performance of his web site.

    Even if you believe you nonsense ... please tell me how any person outside the group of people who are working on the web site are making it harder to create a working web site? Are republicans teasing the programmers as they work in their cubicles?
    I read it three times to be sure.

    BTW, I didn't say it wasn't one of the stupidest things I've ever heard from a politician. How dumb dies he think people are?

    Actually, it reminded me of being in extemporaneous speaking at speech tournaments when someone gets hit with a topic he's clueless about and just talks nonsense to fill up the time.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I haven't read one of our "true believers" even mention Munich, Neville Chamberlain or appeasement. (Neocon talking points of the day) Let's get with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike10 View Post
    The GOP and NeoCons would rather have another a war.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    McCain was about as funny as a train wreck.
    Or a plane crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^All good points, though Israel would strike, even if it is not a logical move to some.
    I agree to an extent. I am not sure as I dont sit in the room during negotiations, BUT I think Israel coordinates actions more often than not in accordance with American and Israeli intent. We are allies as aligned as possible. Probably the only greater in 'lock step' foreign policy with our nation is how we coordinate with the last empire. Yours, of course. The point is we can make a case and until they are actually producing weapons grade uranium, Israel will remain bristled but patient. Iran is too big considering the current dysfunction in the middle east.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The problem was that the Bush administration did not calculate the demographic make up of Iraq, likely because Republicans are not terribly cultured or aware of the outside world. Two thirds subscribe to Shiite Islam. What was a replacement government supposed to look like?
    Agreed. They should have followed the time honored policy of keeping the foot soldiers of the previous authority in Iraq, and then told them the new policies. It would have maintained much more order than the replace model. Regardless of their previous shameful crimes in the name of Saddaam, the locust of power has a way of maintaining authenticity if only because that is how is has been for so long.

    The plan failed in almost every aspect until a recovery tactic under Patreus managed to establish controlling order once again at great loss of life. It was not necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The people whining include many top dem Senators who want more sanctions against Iran.

    What triggers my distrust more than anything is the need to sign an agreement at 3am in the morning. What could be that important that it couldn't wait until daylight? Is Iran that close to fully building a nuclear bomb?
    The only thing I would ask you, while it is easy to stand back and armchair quarterback, after you have been negotiating for months and years, then when the opposition caves to a point previously agreed, then you close. You don't fucking wait till Tom, Dick, JACK or Harry chime in with their approval. After months and years you have already reached a consensus as to what is an acceptable agreement. You take it and you seal it when agreed before other entities can make it impossible to sign. No offense, but you have never actually negotiated anything of substantial weight with massive political implications. One does not wait for the thousand of useless voices to tear it apart. A deadline for doing is exactly how you move forward. Saying it is a red line is just ignorant word play.

    In the end, a situation where we negotiate our way to success under a democratic president is an election nightmare for republicans. That is the main complaint here, nothing substantial or worth consideration. Plus any thing we agree to long term has to meet the test of our congress. If it proves worthy then it will, if not then it wont. Crying about a chance is simply political chicanery.

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The Israeli Government's hawkish position serves to encourage Iran to negotiate seriously, and deliver on its agreement with the international community...whilst, it is reported that Israel's security services, and military have rejected an air assault on Iran's nuclear industry sites.

    I quote:

    http://972mag.com/anonymous-decision...d-barak/52617/



    Furthermore it is also understood that any assault on Iran would embolden the postion of the hawks in the Iran government:

    http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/why-i...t-attack-iran/

    I quote:
    I agree with you here which is odd since our thought processes rarely align. This is very logical but would be entirely defused if Iran acts as it has indicated in the first step of negotiations.



    What bothers me most is that there are entities in our political leadership that would derail this simply to deny Obama a political win. That is bad for America, Israel, and the rest of the world. A grown up, diplomatic middle east would be a boon to the world. Iran is the keystone to such an environment. Chopping that off for national political gain is an affront to humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    What bothers me most is that there are entities in our political leadership that would derail this simply to deny Obama a political win. That is bad for America, Israel, and the rest of the world. A grown up, diplomatic middle east would be a boon to the world. Iran is the keystone to such an environment. Chopping that off for national political gain is an affront to humanity.
    Definitely there are such people. For starters, there are many in Congress whose geographical knowledge is so minimal they might not even be able to find Iran on a map, and even if they could wouldn't be able to make a comparison between its size and the US. That doesn't give a good foundation for hope.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    .
    I haven't read one of our "true believers" even mention Munich, Neville Chamberlain or appeasement. (Neocon talking points of the day) Let's get with it.
    Peace in our time . . . . at 3am in the morning.


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    ^Already been explained to you mate, rather well actually. As has already been mentioned by another member. Reading comprehension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Peace in our time . . . . at 3am in the morning.

    Neville Chamberlain was definitely influenced by his own very personal experiences with bloody horror, for he fought in front line trenches during WW1 with those memories haunting him till his death....whilst, also understanding that neither the United Kingdom, or France were ready to fight a world war in 1938.....a different reality to this agreement with Iran for the Iranian government understands the strength of Western determination, and the power of Western military assets to ensure that a nuclear weapons programme is never realised in Iran.
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