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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The Bush tax cuts expiration resultd in a big increase on the highest incomes.
    But not enough to undo the damage those cuts did. The top 0.5% got a windfall from the cuts, and now enjoy the fruit of that without having to do anything about the debt their benefits caused -- except complain that other people don't pay enough.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    But not enough to undo the damage those cuts did. The top 0.5% got a windfall from the cuts, and now enjoy the fruit of that without having to do anything about the debt their benefits caused -- except complain that other people don't pay enough.
    Spoken like a true Marxist. Whatever we earn belongs to the government, so anything we are allowed to keep is a windfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Spoken like a true Marxist. Whatever we earn belongs to the government, so anything we are allowed to keep is a windfall.
    Only a fraction of your contribution to the economy was possible because of your own efforts. With few exceptions, we as Americans do not live alone in cabins in the woods hunting for our own food. There is a network of support that makes what you do possible, including anyone you talk to during the day, the post office, the Internet, etc. So a lot of those earnings, and socialists would argue most, do belong to a democratic government that then decides how best to allocate those funds to support American society.

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    How dare you tell him he didn't make everything himself! Hereditary billionaire Mitt Romney says he did it all himself!
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
    - Gene Wolfe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Only a fraction of your contribution to the economy was possible because of your own efforts. With few exceptions, we as Americans do not live alone in cabins in the woods hunting for our own food. There is a network of support that makes what you do possible, including anyone you talk to during the day, the post office, the Internet, etc. So a lot of those earnings, and socialists would argue most, do belong to a democratic government that then decides how best to allocate those funds to support American society.
    Communism has been tried, and it does not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Communism has been tried, and it does not work.
    Socialist and capitalist mixture has been tried, and it works.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Communism has been tried, and it does not work.
    Indeed, but that isn't what I said. We have a social economy, where your contribution is only possible because of the contributions of others, except for those who actually live in total isolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Indeed, but that isn't what I said. We have a social economy, where your contribution is only possible because of the contributions of others, except for those who actually live in total isolation.
    I was trying to explain very recently that even in the middle of the woods, any hermit is dependent upon the industriousness and intellectual property of others for his survival. I think we should collect royalties.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I was trying to explain very recently that even in the middle of the woods, any hermit is dependent upon the industriousness and intellectual property of others for his survival. I think we should collect royalties.
    Not neolithic hermits.

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    At this time of year it is appropriate to remember the Pilgrim's experiment with socialism. Gov Bradford described it and it has been retold many times. At first, land was held and worked in common. Here is from libertyunderfire.org:

    "The first two years the result was shortages and starvation. About half the colonists died. No one did more than the minimal because the incentive to excel was destroyed.

    [Quoted Text: Truncated] © 2013 Liberty Under Fire. All rights reserved.

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    Benvolio, I do believe you have missed my point completely and are now debating with a strawman.

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    Benvolio, I do believe you have missed my point completely and are now debating with a strawman.
    Socialists/ liberals/communists always believe that it will work if they just change the words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Socialists/ liberals/communists always believe that it will work if they just change the words.
    No, my post was about describing the nature of economies in general.

    I don't know who you are debating with because I agree with your premise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Spoken like a true Marxist. Whatever we earn belongs to the government, so anything we are allowed to keep is a windfall.
    Marx would hate me. He relied too much on daydreams and not enough on hard data. OTOH, in broad scope, he was right. The problem with those who call themselves Marxists is that they really don't pay attention to his work: they think that working hard can achieve Utopia, whereas Marx said it's a matter of the forces of history. True Marxists would sit patiently and watch the inevitable process unfold.

    The reality in this country is that the policies of Republicans have been funneling wealth up the ladder. It's only fair that they should now pay back some of their unearned wealth, to help the country.


    BTW, if you could learn to stop lying to yourself about reality, maybe you would be able to respond to what people have said, rather than to your own imagination. When you lie blatantly about what people have said, it shows you to be far less than respectable in discussion.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Only a fraction of your contribution to the economy was possible because of your own efforts. With few exceptions, we as Americans do not live alone in cabins in the woods hunting for our own food. There is a network of support that makes what you do possible, including anyone you talk to during the day, the post office, the Internet, etc.
    Exactly. And from such community arise obligations.

    It used to be that the wealthy in this country understood that God had granted them wealth in order to do good for their fellow man. They built harbors, and forts to protect them against attack, and other things that benefitted everyone, without asking for anything in return. But today's wealthy act as though having wealth makes them superior, that they are better than everyone else, that they deserve all their unearned income. They, especially those who are Christians, spit in God's face as they expect everyone else to pay for the game while they sit and collect the prizes.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Communism has been tried, and it does not work.
    Refer to my post two above this, final paragraph.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Socialist and capitalist mixture has been tried, and it works.
    It does, and better than pure capitalism, because the mixture recognizes a reality of liberty that today's GOP, who are almost all propertarians rather than libertarians, don't want to see: that any concentration of power, of whatever sort, that is sufficient to engage in coercion to affect the behavior of the people, is dangerous to liberty -- not just the government.

    Government has to be limited lest it turn tyrannical. But corporations and churches especially also have to be limited, or they, too, will turn tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson saw the evil of giant corporations, and others have as well -- significant among them being Dwight Eisenhower -- but today's GOP worships at the altar of unrestricted wealth that exalts property and riches above basic humanity.

    And gay Republicans have no room to complain about liberty, seeing as they support a party that fights against their own liberty.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    At this time of year it is appropriate to remember the Pilgrim's experiment with socialism. Gov Bradford described it and it has been retold many times. At first, land was held and worked in common. Here is from libertyunderfire.org:

    "The first two years the result was shortages and starvation. About half the colonists died. No one did more than the minimal because the incentive to excel was destroyed.
    What Bradford tried is not what is referenced by the word socialism today.
    Last edited by opinterph; December 3rd, 2013 at 12:25 AM. Reason: removed excessive quote from quoted text

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I was trying to explain very recently that even in the middle of the woods, any hermit is dependent upon the industriousness and intellectual property of others for his survival. I think we should collect royalties.
    They are paid for their contribution. It is called the economy and market forces are the best way to determine the value of each persons contribution.

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    What Bradford tried is not what is referenced by the word socialism today.
    The principle is the same. If people are allowed to retain most of the results of their efforts, they are motivated to work, create, build and innovate. When their results are confiscated they have little reason to work. When they are given the results of other people's work they again have no motivation.

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    They are paid for their contribution. It is called the economy and market forces are the best way to determine the value of each persons contribution.
    In corporatism, which is what the US has, market forces are skewed because large corporations don't have to pay what labor is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The principle is the same. If people are allowed to retain most of the results of their efforts, they are motivated to work, create, build and innovate. When their results are confiscated they have little reason to work. When they are given the results of other people's work they again have no motivation.
    The principle is not the same. Socialism today depends on a free market -- in fact, it needs a free market more than capitalism does.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    I have looked up your "corporatism" and it has not relation to any accepted definition. You need a new bugaboo. Businesses by definition pay at least what labor or commodities are worth. They are worth what the market requires the employer to pay to get qualified people. Actually, they generally pay more than need to pay.

    Socialism involves government monopolies in areas of its involvement, preventing or even criminalizing some market forces.
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    You must by now realize that I deeply hate every aspect of the the Democrat agenda. Their priorities of massive abortion of Americans to be replaced by massive immigration is nothing short of genocide. Every item of their agenda drags us closer to a one party, totalitarian, Marxist state. Even if most do not intend that, it is were they are taking us. Their present rate of borrowing can only lead to a massive collapse of the economy. And, no, I do not want them to degrade our health care or confiscate my savings.
    I do not agree that Republicans hate gays. That is simply another way liberals demonize everyone who disagrees with them on policy.
    I favor same sex marriage but I do not consider it important compared with the other problems confronting our country. How can it be a basic human right when it was only thought of a decade or so ago.
    It regard it as beyond question that the priority which the Democrat party gives to immigration is to subvert our democracy. If Americans do not vote Democrat often enough, just flood the country with outsiders who will vote against Americans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. If we cannot stop the trend, the American people will be replaced entirely. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.

    Is every human zygote a person?

    Do Democrats bear the primary responsibility for current rates of borrowing by the federal government?

    Can past judicial rulings relating to opposite sex marriage be legitimately interpreted to apply to same sex marriage?

    After whites become a minority, will they tend to vote for Democratic Party candidates?

    What is the opposite of hate?

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    Is every human zygote a person?

    Do Democrats bear the primary responsibility for current rates of borrowing by the federal government?

    Can past judicial rulings relating to opposite sex marriage be legitimately interpreted to apply to same sex marriage?

    After whites become a minority, will they tend to vote for Democratic Party candidates?

    What is the opposite of hate?
    The aborton debate cannot be controlled by using particular words. Society has generally regarded killing of humans as unacceptable.i am particularly concerned with its destructive effect on the nation, our people, culture, economy, democracy, and even western civilization as a whole.

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    The crux of the abortion debate is whether people should be forced to be the vessel that supports another's life. Medical ethics usually says no, because the rule of consent to treatment is king, and that's even true of dead bodies. Medical ethics and the law do not force people to give up their organs even when they are dead and no longer using them. However, I do disagree with that public policy.

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    Society has generally regarded killing of humans as unacceptable.
    Does birth control represent just another cunning way of killing humans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Is every human zygote a person?

    Do Democrats bear the primary responsibility for current rates of borrowing by the federal government?

    Can past judicial rulings relating to opposite sex marriage be legitimately interpreted to apply to same sex marriage?

    After whites become a minority, will they tend to vote for Democratic Party candidates?

    What is the opposite of hate?
    Both parties have some responsibility, but the democrats resist attempts to reduce spending. It is wildly out of control and Obama care commits the government to vastly more spending for those it considers unable to pay. Foreign countries are starting to look for alternatives, which could cause a rapid decrease in the value of the dollar.
    I cannot answer the judicial question in the abstract. Some rules are applicable to protection of females more than males. The definition of the word marriage is being changed.
    As the democrat party becomes more and more anti white, anti wealth, anti capitalist and anti democratic, I anticipate that even more whites will move to the Republicans,
    "Hate" in what context?
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Does birth control represent just another cunning way of killing humans?
    Contraception does not, in my opinion, but abortion does.

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    "Hate" in what context?
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I deeply hate
    And more generally.

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    And more generally.
    Since we are talking about political/governmental agenda, rather than people, the opposite would be "strongly approve". Speaking of a person, it it probably love.

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    “this is a very positive thing,” …


    I have been unsuccessful in finding a replication of the text of those remarks by the former president anywhere online.

    Of course, the absence of a formal presentation of text doesn’t preclude availability of the words.



    Following is my own transcription – beginning around the 27 minute mark.

    We have in our largest state California, now, no majority of European heritage. And there never was one in Hawaii. But by 2050, no state – I wouldn’t say no state – that the entire country, at least, will not have a majority of European heritage. And I personally believe, in an interdependent world, this is a very positive thing. And it creates opportunities for us, if we handle our identities in the right way. Does that mean we should stop having the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee? No. What it means is we have to constantly struggle against people who would define our identity in negative terms. And we have to constantly struggle against our own impulse, which we all have, to define our identity against someone else’s in negative terms with reference to them. It is a constant struggle.
    The former president goes on to suggest that the challenge is to be proud of who you are, without having to put someone else down.

    President Clinton’s speech to the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee is not particularly dissimilar to remarks he delivered at the commencement address for Portland State University back in 1998.



    And those 1998 remarks were soon thereafter distorted by Pat Buchanan in his 2001 book, The Death of the West.

    Mr. Clinton assured us that it will be a better America when we are all minorities and realize true ‘diversity.’ Well, those students [at Portland State] are going to find out, for they will spend their golden years in a Third World America. [Link]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The principle is the same. If people are allowed to retain most of the results of their efforts, they are motivated to work, create, build and innovate. When their results are confiscated they have little reason to work. When they are given the results of other people's work they again have no motivation.
    Yet when the results of the 99% are confiscated by the 1%, you have no problem with that, and in fact, support it vigurously.
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    In corporatism, which is what the US has, market forces are skewed because large corporations don't have to pay what labor is worth.
    They don't generally pay what I think my labour is worth, or what I think yours is worth. But since there is no real impediment to unionisation, I find it hard to accept that corporations don't have to pay what labour is worth. Corporations pay what labour gladly accepts...not that I understand why they accept it.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    … I distinctly remember a map of America with number of abortions by state. And red states had a much bigger percentage than blue.
    I don’t doubt that you saw a map, but a higher rate of abortions in red states does not prove “that most of the abortions in the US are by Republican parents.”


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    The definition of the word marriage is being changed.
    The word “marriage” does not appear in the US Constitution. What is an appropriate source for the correct definition of that word?

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    I don’t doubt that you saw a map, but a higher rate of abortions in red states does not prove “that most of the abortions in the US are by Republican parents.”

    It doesn't "prove" it but makes it far more likely.
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    The word “marriage” does not appear in the US Constitution. What is an appropriate source for the correct definition of that word?
    Any definition prior to about 20 years ago. Try to find a an American definition prior to then not limited or assuming a man and a woman. I will not accept alleged ancient Indian definitions, inherently unacertainable.

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    It doesn't "prove" it but makes it far more likely.
    Apparently, you failed to notice the visual aid I included in my post. (circa 2008)

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    Any definition prior to about 20 years ago. Try to find a an American definition prior to then not limited or assuming a man and a woman. I will not accept alleged ancient Indian definitions, inherently unacertainable.
    You do of course notice that he asked you for a source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Any definition prior to about 20 years ago. Try to find a an American definition prior to then not limited or assuming a man and a woman. I will not accept alleged ancient Indian definitions, inherently unacertainable.
    My post was in the form of a request for a source to be provided by you.

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    Apparently, you failed to notice the visual aid I included in my post. (circa 2008)
    Ah yes, I did. Well, I can't argue since I have no clue where to look for more current statistics.
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    The following quote is from a different CE&P thread. Generally speaking, we discourage expanding a disagreement from one discussion to another; however, in this circumstance certain points continue to be posted that are never resolved. They typically reappear, often in unrelated topics, and never seem to face the scrutiny they perhaps deserve.

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    If you haven't noticed, it is the Dems who have made the facilitation of the abortion of Americans and the facilitation of massive immigration, including amnesty and road to Democrat voting, as key planks in their agenda.
    You seem to suggest that Democrats encourage abortion as a means to reduce the prevalence of “Americans” in the US as one part of their objective to gain an electoral advantage. Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Any definition prior to about 20 years ago. Try to find a an American definition prior to then not limited or assuming a man and a woman. I will not accept alleged ancient Indian definitions, inherently unacertainable.
    I will not accept alleged ancient Indian definitions
    Allegation connotes criminal behavior.

    inherently unacertainable
    Maybe in your estimation. Native Americans do not have a written language. So what?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I have no clue where to look for more current statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    The following quote is from a different CE&P thread. Generally speaking, we discourage expanding a disagreement from one discussion to another; however, in this circumstance certain points continue to be posted that are never resolved. They typically reappear, often in unrelated topics, and never seem to face the scrutiny they perhaps deserve.

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    You seem to suggest that Democrats encourage abortion as a means to reduce the prevalence of “Americans” in the US as one part of their objective to gain an electoral advantage. Is that correct?
    I am not, as you perhaps intend to suggest, giving a limited definition to "Americans". A large percentage of the Existing Americans being aborted are African Americans and other minorities. But, even assuming that the aborted Americans represent a cross section, the immigrants and invaders do not represent a cross section, and even the white portion of the immigrants tend to be liberals, looking for benefits at the expense of Americans.
    So, yes, the purpose and effect of the democrat positions on abortion, invasion, and immigration is to gain an election advantage and move us toward the goal of a one party Marxist state. They sacrifice many democrat children, including blacks, indenting to make up the difference in numbers of new arrivals.
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    Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, …
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    A large percentage of the Existing Americans being aborted are African Americans and other minorities.
    The percentage is more than large, especially if you consider the numbers relative to minority proportions within the overall population.

    Ignoring for the moment your “replacement theory” involving immigrants, why would Democrats “do everything possible” to eliminate what realistically constitutes their own future voting base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I am not, as you perhaps intend to suggest, giving a limited definition to "Americans". A large percentage of the Existing Americans being aborted are African Americans and other minorities. But, even assuming that the aborted Americans represent a cross section, the immigrants and invaders do not represent a cross section, and even the white portion of the immigrants tend to be liberals, looking for benefits at the expense of Americans.
    So, yes, the purpose and effect of the democrat positions on abortion, invasion, and immigration is to gain an election advantage and move us toward the goal of a one party Marxist state. They sacrifice many democrat children, including blacks, indenting to make up the difference in numbers of new arrivals.
    Your post really is a disgusting piece of trash, mired in the filth that is hatred and xenophobia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    … the purpose and effect of the democrat positions on abortion …

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    "Invaders"? What is this, Attila the Hun?
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    And as long as we are having the discussion here, I'd like to repeat my question from a neighbor topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Having pointed out that the change in racial percentages is working against Republicans, do you think it is a coincidence that the democrat party facilitates policies which reduce the white percentage, and increase non whites? Can you honestly pretend that the democrat policies are not racist? Shame on you.
    Bolding is mine. Benvolio tried to backtrack here by making it about "Americans" (magnanimously allowing some of them to be non-whites), yet just a few hours earlier it was clearly a "white vs non-white" thing.

    So again my question - can you name a single Democrat policy that is geared toward "reducing white percentage"? The ludicrous abortion argument does not work since Democrats have no control over who gets abortion and who doesn't. If white population is more prone to having it, that's a problem with white population, not Democrats. So I have to assume you mean something else, and I'd like to know what it is.
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    Attila the Hun?

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