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    On Gay Republicans . . .

    One anonymous discussion site had a thread I came across discussing "Gay Republicans".

    The thread's original poster writes, "Can someone please explain to me how someone can be a Republican and gay? Is money more important than your own equal rights? I want to understand. I've tried to understand. Are they perhaps racists?"

    A theory posted with which I agree most was written as follows (I will quote that response. But I'm not putting it into Just Us Boys-forum-style quote because there is too much text for one to want to read in italics):

    "Most grew up conservative and never evolved. Many are situationally closeted, lead highly compartmentalized lives and most operate under some form of cognitive dissonance. Self-loathing and a lack of awareness about it are common.

    "Definitely many are racists, xenophobes and misogynists. Many cherry-pick their gay causes, if any. They're pro-military and pro-family (in the trueist sense), so some are/were activists against DADT or for marriage equality. Most are indifferent to all gay rights, valuing lower taxes and no safety net for the poor over their own civil rights. They're largely silent, publicly, on ENDA, but privately I'd bet most oppose it, since it protects the economically disadvantaged, adds another government regulation for "job creators" and interferes with the free market. Never mind that somewhere, some faggot is getting fired for no other reason. They're better than that faggot and he probably deserved to get fired anyway. Realize that this attitude probably comes from someone who is closeted at work and has spent their entire lives consciously projecting a 'straight-acting' persona. It's the same 'I've got mine' mentality that is endemic to the [Republican] Party. They're middle class and stupid enough to believe that currying favor with the rich by attacking the poor will benefit them someday.

    "They are callous, craven, unfathomably stupid opportunists who put their own (perceived) economic interests above everything else in the world."


    In the 2012 United States presidential election, nationally 22 percent of LGBT persons voted Republican for Mitt Romney. An answer as to why there are any LGBT persons who vote Republican may come down to just one theory after the next. The background, of such individual, is what I believe shaped a "Gay Republican," yes, but that the Gay Republican votes for a party that is against equality for LGBT persons because the Gay Republican does not care about LGBT persons—generally to begin with—nor does a Gay Republican care about discrimination against LGBT persons, and generally does not care about any future (including marriage equality) of LGBT persons.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    The quote you've posted pretty much sums up my view. In my experience, the vast majority of gay republicans are at the very least partially, and often completely closeted, even when partnered (it is not a coincidence that the republican posters here are the ones we know the least about). They have spent their lives in hiding, and have never built any self-respect based on their sexuality. It's an inconvenience that they'd "cure" the second they had the chance. And because of that, they have no love for gay causes either (it is not a coincidence that the republican posters here are the only ones who never comment on any gay rights issues). They will always tell you how they aren't a "one issue voter", as if all issues are equal and the fact that you are not considered a full human being by the law is the same as your stance on cafeteria food. As if that's not such a paramount "one issue" that one day your entire life might depend on it...


    Then of course, there are the few 1%ers who are just so ridiculously rich that they are above the problems normal homosexual human beings have, and can afford to not care and only look at their profits. Those are the GOProuders and Log Cabiners.

    Mostly though, it's just self-hating faggots who can never forgive the world for making them gay, so they want it to suffer ^_^
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Both reflect my views. Thanks.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    I cannot fathom how the two can be reconciled. Being gay and being a Republican is a contradiction. How can a gay person willingly support a political party that does its utmost to deprive gay people of their basic rights?

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Special K View Post
    I cannot fathom how the two can be reconciled. Being gay and being a Republican is a contradiction. How can a gay person willingly support a political party that does its utmost to deprive gay people of their basic rights?
    Exactly---you can be an Independent or conservative Democrat--- a republican't makes zero sense like most thing republican.

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Years ago grew up as Republican but change my ways back when Ronnie Reagan came on the scene. As liberal Democrat I embrace the course of the party and its open door policy to the LGTB community. Gong back to days of Clinton to present day president Obama door have been open to LGTB community. Gay marriage, end to Don't Ask Don't Tell, end to DOMA. What has the GOP done for LGTB listen to the party and they preach hate and intolerance.

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Who is a gay man supposed to support if he believes in the following?

    - Supports gay rights BUT

    1. Believes in smaller government, less taxes (for everyone), and cutting wasteful spending
    2. Supports reducing regulations on businesses to improve the economy & encourage job growth
    3. Supports the military and a strong national defense
    4. Supports drilling for oil to produce our own energy & less dependence on middle east
    5. Supports the right to bear arms (2nd amendment)
    6. Is pro-life
    7. Does not support giving amnesty or incentives to illegal immigrants who broke the law to enter the country

    Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Who is a gay man supposed to support if he believes in the following?

    - Supports gay rights BUT

    1. Believes in smaller government, less taxes (for everyone), and cutting wasteful spending
    2. Supports reducing regulations on businesses to improve the economy & encourage job growth
    3. Supports the military and a strong national defense
    4. Supports drilling for oil to produce our own energy & less dependence on middle east
    5. Supports the right to bear arms (2nd amendment)
    6. Is pro-life
    7. Does not support giving amnesty or incentives to illegal immigrants who broke the law to enter the country

    Just curious.
    I don't know, frankly. The GOP supports very few of those, and even that is more lip service than anything else.

    Also, you mentioned nothing about gay rights. After your incessant whining I'd have imagined they'd make the list but clearly I was wrong.
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    Furthermore, I'm really not sure you realize how laughable you sound. "Oh golly, I WOULD be all for gay marriage and stuff, but the military is just. So. Damn. Important. To me!" Seriously?
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I don't know, frankly. The GOP supports very few of those, and even that is more lip service than anything else.

    Also, you mentioned nothing about gay rights. After your incessant whining I'd have imagined they'd make the list but clearly I was wrong.
    It was at the very top.

    These type of threads are so silly in my opinion. I can't understand THOSE people but I'm able to psychoanalyze them.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Who is a gay man supposed to support if he believes in the following?

    - Supports gay rights BUT

    1. Believes in smaller government, less taxes (for everyone), and cutting wasteful spending
    2. Supports reducing regulations on businesses to improve the economy & encourage job growth
    3. Supports the military and a strong national defense
    4. Supports drilling for oil to produce our own energy & less dependence on middle east
    5. Supports the right to bear arms (2nd amendment)
    6. Is pro-life
    7. Does not support giving amnesty or incentives to illegal immigrants who broke the law to enter the country

    Just curious.
    Only one (arguably two) of those involve human rights; the rest are secondary to human rights.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    I go with Roly's theory on the 1%. Most of the gay Republicans like Richard Grenell,Tammy Bruce,Peter Thiel,Ken Mehlman don't have to worry about paying $$$ for contracts or other things the little people do and thus see nothing wrong with marriage bans.
    Then there are the self-loathers who hate the fact they're gay and want to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
    Even if they are married to a man(like one homocon I know) they are still self-loathers.
    And finally,I HATE marriage equality being refered to as a single issue. It's every aspect of our life and if you're not for that,I won't vote for you,period.

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    I forgot to say that I find the position of the quote the OP provided pretty spot-on.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    It was at the very top.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBlue71 View Post
    In the 2012 United States presidential election, nationally 22 percent of LGBT persons voted Republican for Mitt Romney. An answer as to why there are any LGBT persons who vote Republican may come down to just one theory after the next. The background, of such individual, is what I believe shaped a "Gay Republican," yes, but that the Gay Republican votes for a party that is against equality for LGBT persons because the Gay Republican does not care about LGBT persons—generally to begin with—nor does a Gay Republican care about discrimination against LGBT persons, and generally does not care about any future (including marriage equality) of LGBT persons.
    The phenomenon of gay Republicans has long fascinated me. How could nearly a quarter of ANY group support a political movement that makes it government policy to hate them and prevent them from enjoying human rights? However bizarre may be your economic views, it still does not make sense to support a political party which wants society to spend considerable energy on making your life (and theirs) miserable for no reason other than prejudice. It is the very definition of self-loathing.

    But are nearly a quarter of gays in the USA really self-loathing basket cases? Are we collectively that sick?

    I'm sorry to say it, but I think the answer to that question is "Yes, we are that sick." I am persuaded by the (allegedly gay) Republican posters on this board. They frequently post what can only be described as rabidly anti-gay hatred here. It has nothing to do with economic policy. It is just plain anti-gay hatred. As such, it understandably sparks vitriol against the members of this board.

    I think the vitriol is what these posters seek. As uncomfortable as it is for them, they nevertheless have a psychological need to be told that they are wrong/evil/bad/disgusting/whatever. They have internalized the hatred and intolerance of themselves that they have been taught their entire lives, by everyone important to them. They want the rest of us to attack them, so that they can be reassured that they are as worthless as they believe themselves to be.

    It actually has nothing to do with politics. It is self-flagellation.


    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBlue71 View Post
    "Most grew up conservative and never evolved. Many are situationally closeted, lead highly compartmentalized lives and most operate under some form of cognitive dissonance. Self-loathing and a lack of awareness about it are common.

    "Definitely many are racists, xenophobes and misogynists. Many cherry-pick their gay causes, if any. They're pro-military and pro-family (in the trueist sense), so some are/were activists against DADT or for marriage equality. Most are indifferent to all gay rights, valuing lower taxes and no safety net for the poor over their own civil rights. They're largely silent, publicly, on ENDA, but privately I'd bet most oppose it, since it protects the economically disadvantaged, adds another government regulation for "job creators" and interferes with the free market. Never mind that somewhere, some faggot is getting fired for no other reason. They're better than that faggot and he probably deserved to get fired anyway. Realize that this attitude probably comes from someone who is closeted at work and has spent their entire lives consciously projecting a 'straight-acting' persona. It's the same 'I've got mine' mentality that is endemic to the [Republican] Party. They're middle class and stupid enough to believe that currying favor with the rich by attacking the poor will benefit them someday.

    "They are callous, craven, unfathomably stupid opportunists who put their own (perceived) economic interests above everything else in the world."
    I agree with all of that, except the part about them being stupid. They are unfathomably illogical, which makes them appear to be spectacularly stupid. But they are being deliberately illogical and deliberately homophobic not because they are stupid, but because they are sick.

    The compartmentalization of their lives and their closeted nature is a necessary manifestation of their self-hatred. It is not possible to function psychologically with that degree of self-loathing without walling off their world into compartments. The cognitive dissonance is inevitable.

    I find it painful to watch, because their experience of life has been mine, also. I grew up being told what an awful person I am by my family, my church, and by American society in general because of some accident of birth over which I had no control whatsoever. Too often I am among those who indulge our gay Republican posters with the rejection that they seek.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    I can agree with the idea of ingrained self-hatred. It wasn't until I came out that I even got to the point of realizing it was okay for me to take enjoyment in my own body (the breakthrough that led me to really enjoy dancing, and enjoy having danced). That self-hatred can be so impairing, and so unnoticed, that it seems right and proper and normal and natural... all of that.

    Given that, illogical/irrational thought is inevitable, at least so far as it extends to one's self, and everything related to that.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    A defining discussion in this community came from the recent election when the statement was made that "It's okay to be a gay conservative, but not a gay Republican." There is a fundamental difference between what is conservative valued, and what is the Republican party's platform. If you vote Republican, you are voting against yourself, your gay loved ones, and community. We would have full marriage equality *tomorrow* if it weren't for the obstruction of the Republican Party that continues to hold hostage equality in half the states of the Union. To have a party say you're not normal, that you can't have a family, that you should be jailed and put away, is atrocious.

    A self-respecting gay man or woman can certainly be conservative, but not a Republican. Until the Republican party ends their war on homosexuality, a homosexual should not contribute a vote nor a dime to their cause.

    Besides, the modern Republican Party doesn't even hold conservative values. Protecting the environment was a conservative value! Teddy Roosevelt championed our national parks and conservation. Everyone paying into healthcare is a conservative value! Why should the healthy not contribute into a system until they get sick to sap from it? Supporting immigration for a minority population that believes in strong, religiously large families (aka Hispanics) is a conservative investment! Staying out of the problems of the world and not going to war with everyone is a conservative value! These are all policies the Republican Party is against.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    A defining discussion in this community came from the recent election when the statement was made that "It's okay to be a gay conservative, but not a gay Republican." There is a fundamental difference between what is conservative valued, and what is the Republican party's platform. If you vote Republican, you are voting against yourself, your gay loved ones, and community. We would have full marriage equality *tomorrow* if it weren't for the obstruction of the Republican Party that continues to hold hostage equality in half the states of the Union. To have a party say you're not normal, that you can't have a family, that you should be jailed and put away, is atrocious.

    A self-respecting gay man or woman can certainly be conservative, but not a Republican. Until the Republican party ends their war on homosexuality, a homosexual should not contribute a vote nor a dime to their cause.
    I agree completely.

    I frequently rant in these fora over the fact that the Republican Party is most emphatically NOT an American conservative party. In sharp contrast to its own rhetoric, it is the party of big government, massive deficit spending, intrusive government intervention into the lives of Americans, and overwhelming religious fundamentalism.

    Conservative parties in all of the rest of the world back gay marriage, civil rights, abortion, universal health insurance, environmentalism, mass transit, and investment in infrastructure as conservative values. These things are not Republican Party values. The Republican Party is NOT a conservative party. It does NOT embrace traditional conservative values. It is an American Taliban.

    The conservative party of record in America is the Democratic Party. America has no liberal representation in its party politics. It lies curiously and dramatically to the right of the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    A self-respecting gay man or woman can certainly be conservative, but not a Republican. Until the Republican party ends their war on homosexuality, a homosexual should not contribute a vote nor a dime to their cause.
    I'll extend that: no self-respecting American can any longer be a Republican, for the simple reason that the US was founded on religious freedom, and the GOP has thrown that out the window.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Besides, the modern Republican Party doesn't even hold conservative values. Protecting the environment was a conservative value! Teddy Roosevelt championed our national parks and conservation. Everyone paying into healthcare is a conservative value! Why should the healthy not contribute into a system until they get sick to sap from it? Supporting immigration for a minority population that believes in strong, religiously large families (aka Hispanics) is a conservative investment! Staying out of the problems of the world and not going to war with everyone is a conservative value! These are all policies the Republican Party is against.
    Paying the national bills is a conservative value, too, but the GOP doesn't believe in that any more, either. If they did, they would reverse the Bush tax cuts and make a top bracket something like Eisenhower had it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    America has no liberal representation in its party politics. It lies curiously and dramatically to the right of the rest of the world.
    Thank God for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Thank God for that.
    But there's no conservative representation in US party politics, either -- it's either wimpy liberals, or religious reactionaries.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But there's no conservative representation in US party politics, either -- it's either wimpy liberals, or religious reactionaries.
    You must by now realize that I deeply hate every aspect of the the Democrat agenda. Their priorities of massive abortion of Americans to be replaced by massive immigration is nothing short of genocide. Every item of their agenda drags us closer to a one party, totalitarian, Marxist state. Even if most do not intend that, it is were they are taking us. Their present rate of borrowing can only lead to a massive collapse of the economy. And, no, I do not want them to degrade our health care or confiscate my savings.
    I do not agree that Republicans hate gays. That is simply another way liberals demonize everyone who disagrees with them on policy.
    I favor same sex marriage but I do not consider it important compared with the other problems confronting our country. How can it be a basic human right when it was only thought of a decade or so ago.
    It regard it as beyond question that the priority which the Democrat party gives to immigration is to subvert our democracy. If Americans do not vote Democrat often enough, just flood the country with outsiders who will vote against Americans.
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    Re: On Gay Republicans . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    It was at the very top.

    These type of threads are so silly in my opinion. I can't understand THOSE people but I'm able to psychoanalyze them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    You must by now realize that I deeply hate every aspect of the the Democrat agenda. Their priorities of massive abortion of Americans to be replaced by massive immigration is nothing short of genocide. Every item of their agenda drags us closer to a one party, totalitarian, Marxist state. Even if most do not intend that, it is were they are taking us. Their present rate of borrowing can only lead to a massive collapse of the economy. And, no, I do not want them to degrade our health care or confiscate my savings.
    I do not agree that Republicans hate gays. That is simply another way liberals demonize everyone who disagrees with them on policy.
    I favor same sex marriage but I do not consider it important compared with the other problems confronting our country. How can it be a basic human right when it was only thought of a decade or so ago.
    It regard it as beyond question that the priority which the Democrat party gives to immigration is to subvert our democracy. If Americans do not vote Democrat often enough, just flood the country with outsiders who will vote against Americans.
    It doesn't matter whether republicans hate gays or not, if their politics are hateful towards gays.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It doesn't matter whether republicans hate gays or not, if their politics are hateful towards gays.
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    I'm guessing this is about the 60th thread about the same subject -- nothing different, nothing new ... the same words, some from the same people, some from new people. Yawn.

    Isn't it about time for another thread on Boehner's skin color. I hear he's using a new hue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm guessing this is about the 60th thread about the same subject -- nothing different, nothing new ... the same words, some from the same people, some from new people. Yawn.

    Isn't it about time for another thread on Boehner's skin color. I hear he's using a new hue.
    Good job trying to trivialize the plight of your own community. Keep voting against us. I'm sure it earns you just as many friends in real life as it does here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm guessing this is about the 60th thread about the same subject.
    There hasnít been a thread on this topic in CE&P anytime recently, if ever. There were a couple similar threads in Hot Topics a few years ago and the concept has been mentioned in other threads as indirect references to separate topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You must by now realize that I deeply hate every aspect of the the Democrat agenda. Their priorities of massive abortion of Americans to be replaced by massive immigration is nothing short of genocide. Every item of their agenda drags us closer to a one party, totalitarian, Marxist state. Even if most do not intend that, it is were they are taking us. Their present rate of borrowing can only lead to a massive collapse of the economy. And, no, I do not want them to degrade our health care or confiscate my savings.
    Yes, I understand your irrational fear. You demonstrate here that it's quite irrational with the use of the word "genocide". Immigrants who become naturalized are Americans; immigrants and Democrats aren't killing anyone, so there's no genocide.

    If "Every item of their agenda drags us closer to a one party, totalitarian, Marxist state", then that's what Eisenhower -- and even Nixon -- was up to as well, because the president Obama most resembles is Dwight Eisenhower.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I do not agree that Republicans hate gays.
    It's in the party platform!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm guessing this is about the 60th thread about the same subject -- nothing different, nothing new ... the same words, some from the same people, some from new people. Yawn.

    Isn't it about time for another thread on Boehner's skin color. I hear he's using a new hue.
    So shallow.

    Maybe if the GOP would grow up and start fighting for liberty and equality -- those pesky things in the Declaration of Independence -- threads like this would stop. Maybe if the House Republicans grew up and stopped their hypocritical opposition to fixing the economy and paying our debts, threads like this would stop.

    But until then, expect people to keep trying to figure out how the party of Eisenhower and Reagan turned into such a hateful, irresponsible gang.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So shallow.

    Maybe if the GOP would grow up and start fighting for liberty and equality -- those pesky things in the Declaration of Independence -- threads like this would stop. Maybe if the House Republicans grew up and stopped their hypocritical opposition to fixing the economy and paying our debts, threads like this would stop.

    But until then, expect people to keep trying to figure out how the party of Eisenhower and Reagan turned into such a hateful, irresponsible gang.
    People who apologize for the Pubs these days are as hateful and irresponsible as the Pubs themselves these days. The last adult Pub was driven from the building ages ago - so what do you expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Yes, I understand your irrational fear. You demonstrate here that it's quite irrational with the use of the word "genocide". Immigrants who become naturalized are Americans; immigrants and Democrats aren't killing anyone, so there's no genocide.

    If "Every item of their agenda drags us closer to a one party, totalitarian, Marxist state", then that's what Eisenhower -- and even Nixon -- was up to as well, because the president Obama most resembles is Dwight Eisenhower.



    It's in the party platform!
    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. If we cannot stop the trend, the American people will be replaced entirely. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.
    Oh yeah, you *caught* us alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. If we cannot stop the trend, the American people will be replaced entirely. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.
    Gay Republicans vote Republican because they are conservative. Conservatives are not guided in their thinking and voting by science, facts or evidence. They are moved by ignorance, bigotry and superstition. It's really that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. If we cannot stop the trend, the American people will be replaced entirely. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.
    1. There is no such thing as "the American people", not the way you use the term here. We are all immigrants who have always thrived off the influx of more immigrants.

    2. If there really is something as "the American people", then you have nothing but disdain for them, because your every position would leave each individual alone, unconnected, an island not part of the whole.

    3. Non-whites tend to vote Democrat because people like you are racist, bigoted, mean-spirited, and arrogant, treating them as interlopers who are second-rate at best. Whites like to vote Republican because the GOP uses racis and bigotry to try to boost their egos and make them feel superior. Well, as part of my ancestors were here before any of your white ancestors, on their behalf I say "Fuck you!"

    4. Your conspiracy-theory thinking is borderline mental. The reason Clinton said what he did is that racist arrogance needs to die, so it will be beneficial if every ethnicity in the country is a minority.

    5. Haven't we seen posted here before citations showing that most of the abortions in the US are by Republican parents?

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. If we cannot stop the trend, the American people will be replaced entirely. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.
    Maybe on your planet political parties decide who has abortions and who doesn't, but on Earth, it's a personal choice. If you want Americans to stop getting aborted, take it up with white American moms. Or better yet - with your party that doesn't allow sex education in schools and therefore produces thousands of unwanted pregnancies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    5. Haven't we seen posted here before citations showing that most of the abortions in the US are by Republican parents?
    It was proven yes. Because red states are the ones with the least education and most accidental pregnancies. But benvolio can't accept that it might be his party's fault.
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    4. Your conspiracy-theory thinking is borderline mental.
    *gasp* ya think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    4. Your conspiracy-theory thinking is borderline mental.
    Borderline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Aborting American babies to replace them with immigrants is genocide--and racist. If we cannot stop the trend, the American people will be replaced entirely. And yes, it is intentional. As Clinton said famously, in a few years whites will be a minority and it will be a "good thing." Whites tend to vote Republican, minorities Democrat. So the solution is simple: do everything possible to facilitate the killing of American children, replacing them with immigrants begging for hand outs.
    I don't understand why Benvolio's racist and insulting rants continue to be tolerated on this forum. From his own mouth he just said that anyone who favors a woman's right to her body, supports genocide. That's insulting. I don't support genocide. My politics support the preservation and nurturing of life.

    The moderators should also look more closely into the language of this post. Notice how Benvolio begins by referencing "American babies" being aborted and that the "American people" will be replaced entirely. Then the reference to race comes in as to *who* the American people are by taking Clinton out of context that he favored "whites" being a "minority." Then he just blatantly states that whites vote Republican and "minorities" or non-whites vote Democrat.

    Finally, he states again that the Democrats are killing "American" or white children, replacing them with "immigrants" or dark-skinned people who apparently only beg for handouts instead of work (no evidence or citation proving behavior.)
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    ^ This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post

    I don't understand why Benvolio's racist and insulting rants continue to be tolerated on this forum. From his own mouth he just said that anyone who favors a woman's right to her body, supports genocide. That's insulting. I don't support genocide. My politics support the preservation and nurturing of life.

    The moderators should also look more closely into the language of this post. Notice how Benvolio begins by referencing "American babies" being aborted and that the "American people" will be replaced entirely. Then the reference to race comes in as to *who* the American people are by taking Clinton out of context that he favored "whites" being a "minority." Then he just blatantly states that whites vote Republican and "minorities" or non-whites vote Democrat.

    Finally, he states again that the Democrats are killing "American" or white children, replacing them with "immigrants" or dark-skinned people who apparently only beg for handouts instead of work (no evidence or citation proving behavior.)
    And the most depressing part of it is that it's ENTIRELY unconscious. He doesn't think he's racist, he has no clue the kind of picture his language paints of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I don't understand why Benvolio's racist and insulting rants continue to be tolerated on this forum. From his own mouth he just said that anyone who favors a woman's right to her body, supports genocide. That's insulting. I don't support genocide. My politics support the preservation and nurturing of life.

    The moderators should also look more closely into the language of this post. Notice how Benvolio begins by referencing "American babies" being aborted and that the "American people" will be replaced entirely. Then the reference to race comes in as to *who* the American people are by taking Clinton out of context that he favored "whites" being a "minority." Then he just blatantly states that whites vote Republican and "minorities" or non-whites vote Democrat.

    Finally, he states again that the Democrats are killing "American" or white children, replacing them with "immigrants" or dark-skinned people who apparently only beg for handouts instead of work (no evidence or citation proving behavior.)
    "Dark skinned" are your words not mine, but they are an admission that the policies have a racial effect. If the effect was to diminish no-white percentages, you would howl "racist racist". But because the effect is to the contrary, you claim that objection to the racist policies is racist. Your own racist bigotry is on display. Anti -white policies are every bit as racist as anti- colored. But you think there is good racism and bad racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    "Dark skinned" are your words not mine, but they are an admission that the policies have a racial effect. If the effect was to diminish no-white percentages, you would howl "racist racist". But because the effect is to the contrary, you claim that objection to the racist policies is racist. Your own racist bigotry is on display. Anti -white policies are every bit as racist as anti- colored. But you think there is good racism and bad racism.
    Except, of course, there's no such thing as "anti-white" policies anywhere but in your deluded fantasies. Or do you want to address the comments about WHO and WHY gets the most abortions?
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    ^ Benvolio's reply has nothing to do with what I wrote. Who else other than dark-skinned people would he be referencing if his preceding post explicitly states that "whites" are being exterminated and replaced by others? My post was only pointing out what Benvolio explicitly said. I made no mention of any personal admissions, nor commentary on policies related to race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I favor same sex marriage but I do not consider it important compared with the other problems confronting our country. How can it be a basic human right when it was only thought of a decade or so ago.
    Here is a couple that thought of it in 1974, only 6 years after homosexuality was decriminalised in Canada, which is about enough time for a serious couple to come of age, meet, get engaged and determine to marry.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/art...153492035.html
    http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categorie...e-marries.html

    What is going through your head if you think couples only took each other seriously for the last decade?
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Here is a couple that thought of it in 1974, only 6 years after homosexuality was decriminalised in Canada, which is about enough time for a serious couple to come of age, meet, get engaged and determine to marry.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/art...153492035.html
    http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categorie...e-marries.html

    What is going through your head if you think couples only took each other seriously for the last decade?
    I too am discounting reports by gay conservatives that gay married couples are an invention of the 21st century. They are attested in written history since Roman times, Nero and several other emperors having married male lovers, and possibly older when the definition of marriage was more fluid and less precise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I too am discounting reports by gay conservatives that gay married couples are an invention of the 21st century. They are attested in written history since Roman times, Nero and several other emperors having married male lovers, and possibly older when the definition of marriage was more fluid and less precise.
    I ask you to demonstrate that any emperor "married" another man. Sex, yes. Marriage, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    I ask you to demonstrate that any emperor "married" another man. Sex, yes. Marriage, no.
    Actually, since marriage was only a religious and nota legal ceremony for most of human history, and roman emperors could do as they please, they did get married to male lovers, and in Nero's or Caligula's case - also animals if memory serves. Either way, the church also performed gay marriages (not called that of course, since the current concept of homosexuality exists since the 19th century) prior to the Middle Ages. This information is easy to find btw.
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