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    T-Rexx I am sorry for being part of hijacking this thread. I promise I will no longer respond to Benvolio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
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    I do not doubt to unfair treatment or the killing. But, your quote purports to tell us what was going on in the Pilgrim minds, including the need to purify by killing, etc. I do not believe that was the intent, and your telling me that the Pilgrim thinking has been passed down by word of mouth does not substantiate that part of the claim. The white settlers usually believed that they had a right to be there, since the land was not owned in the European sense, and they generally believed that they were defending themselves from unfair attacks. I will not attempt to justify that thinking but merely to point it out.
    Once again I will point out that you do not know how to read. I didn't say the Pilgrim history was passed down by word of mouth, I said that Native history was. And, again you spout the racist claim that the pilgrims thought it was right for them to slaughter weak men women and children. The belief that they had the right just proves your beliefs. You are sick!
    Whoa.

    B, WE is right in correcting you on the Pilgrim history being passed by word of mouth -- he didn't claim that.

    But B's point about the thoughts and motivations of the Pilgrims and other Puritans is in fact historically accurate -- it just doesn't tell the whole picture. Writings by Puritans of the time do tend to support the points WE made -- but the trouble is that other writers lament the very same thing.

    That brings us up against the definitely schizophrenic character of the Puritans, who preached God's mercy but were of a very mixed batch when actually applying it. That schizophrenia is still with us in our national make-up.

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    To bring the two tracks together:

    The Oklahoma governor is well within the Puritan heritage, willing to sacrifice good for her own kind so long as it strikes at those 'others".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Whoa.

    B, WE is right in correcting you on the Pilgrim history being passed by word of mouth -- he didn't claim that.

    But B's point about the thoughts and motivations of the Pilgrims and other Puritans is in fact historically accurate -- it just doesn't tell the whole picture. Writings by Puritans of the time do tend to support the points WE made -- but the trouble is that other writers lament the very same thing.

    That brings us up against the definitely schizophrenic character of the Puritans, who preached God's mercy but were of a very mixed batch when actually applying it. That schizophrenia is still with us in our national make-up.
    You are wrong. His wiki quote #87 at2:21 purported to describe the beliefs and intent of the Pilgrims. I objected to no sources and his response was the history was by word of mouth #88. In the context he was clearly saying the beliefs of the a pilgrims were passed among the Indians by word of mouth. Perhaps he did not intend that but it was the effect of what he said in context.

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