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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Not to worry, I was just spoutin the nonsense that I usually do.
    As I said my cousin has been searching our past and found a relative that was Cherokee. I'm doing a lot of studying on this subject. Anyway we may just be bros.
    Oh, yeah, my Grandfather was full blooded Blackfoot.
    I have considered doing my own research. I have a great interest in working in the nations once I retire. Having a stake would make my contributions easier. One of my favorite orgs is Travois.

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    This is the most racist thing I have seen you post and I've seen plenty. Now have you ever heard of any of the many Tribes in the US, that their land was stolen by the Europeans, these Tribes want to get their Tribes back. We do not need you to stick your sick foot into the mess. You and people like you are the reason they are in this position anyway.
    Thanks for stating one of many aspects to why indigenous peoples become and stay oppressed. I just couldnt respond to him. I see little to no point.
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    ^^ I get a real laugh when white liberal people try to jump over each other, trying to prove that they're really a minority because they're 0.00025% Native American.

    You're white. You're not a minority.

    Meanwhile, us gay men of color have to deal with the baggage & stigma of being BOTH gay and an ethnic minority, everyday.
    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Meanwhile, us gay men of color have to deal with the baggage & stigma of being BOTH gay and an ethnic minority, everyday.
    And you support the party that insists on perpetuating that situation.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    ^^ I get a real laugh when white liberal people try to jump over each other, trying to prove that they're really a minority because they're 0.00025% Native American.

    You're white. You're not a minority.

    Meanwhile, us gay men of color have to deal with the baggage & stigma of being BOTH gay and an ethnic minority, everyday.
    I weep for you, is that why you only lust after white men?

    Tell us, if you found out your white Republican was 0.00025% Native American would that ruin it for you?
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    It is kind of amusing that you JQ support and defend the party of racists and bigots then pull the downtrodden brown out of your twat.

    If you don't want to be second class, don't support the racists. Seems like common sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I weep for you, is that why you only lust after white men?

    Tell us, if you found out your white Republican was 0.00025% Native American would that ruin it for you?
    That guy is not worth words anymore. I wouldnt waste your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I weep for you, is that why you only lust after white men?

    Tell us, if you found out your white Republican was 0.00025% Native American would that ruin it for you?
    Just to clarify, men of all races are attractive. But masculinity is more important to me, IMO, than race. I would go for a masculine top who was Black or Latino over a white bottom any day.
    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Obviously being a bottom yourself, but let's compare apples to apples, given a white top and a black top, who would you invariably choose.

    And rem,ember, we all remember what you've said for years in this forum, so we all pretty much know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    That guy is not worth words anymore. I wouldnt waste your time.
    I suppose I have this silly, adolescent, devil-may-care hope that one day, he'll have that epiphany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    ^^ I get a real laugh when white liberal people try to jump over each other, trying to prove that they're really a minority because they're 0.00025% Native American.

    You're white. You're not a minority.

    Meanwhile, us gay men of color have to deal with the baggage & stigma of being BOTH gay and an ethnic minority, everyday.
    So why do you support the party that makes it its business to keep you in that "lesser than white" situation?
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Obviously being a bottom yourself, but let's compare apples to apples, given a white top and a black top, who would you invariably choose.

    And rem,ember, we all remember what you've said for years in this forum, so we all pretty much know the answer.
    Instead of making this about me -- let's look at gay dating in general.

    White gay men (43%) are more likely to prefer dating white men, compared to any other race of gay men. AND white gay men are the least likely to respond to replies from online dating suitors because they get so many responses.

    So who's being racist in their dating preferences again?

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/sa...ta-race-reply/
    Last edited by JayQueer; November 24th, 2013 at 10:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Instead of making this about me -- let's look at gay dating in general.

    White gay men (43%) are more likely to prefer dating white men, compared to any other race of gay men. AND white gay men are the least likely to respond to replies from online dating suitors because they get so many responses.

    So who's being racist in their dating preferences again?

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/sa...ta-race-reply/
    Oh no you donít.

    If a thousand men plus you steal, youíre ALL thieves.

    You complain that racism is your burden, and yet your own choices (and I suspect attitudes) are quite racist.

    Just because other people are racists, does nothing to excuse you.

    Trying to change the subject is not going to help you.


    YOUR REAL COMPLAINT is that those racist white guys won't date YOU.
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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    From the data,

    12% of gay Asian-American men would prefer to date another Asian man.
    6% of gay Black men would prefer to date another Black man
    18% of gay Latino men would prefer to date another Latino man
    14% of gay Indian men would prefer to date another Indian man
    21% of gay Middle Eastern men would prefer to date another Middle Eastern man.
    22% of gay Native American men would prefer to date another Native American man
    15% of gay Pacific Islander men would prefer to date another Pacific Islander man

    43% of gay White men would prefer to date another White man.

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/sa...ta-race-reply/
    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So why do you support the party that makes it its business to keep you in that "lesser than white" situation?
    Well there's the twenty four thousand dollar question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    From the data,

    12% of gay Asian-American men would prefer to date another Asian man.
    6% of gay Black men would prefer to date another Black man
    18% of gay Latino men would prefer to date another Latino man
    14% of gay Indian men would prefer to date another Indian man
    21% of gay Middle Eastern men would prefer to date another Middle Eastern man.
    22% of gay Native American men would prefer to date another Native American man
    15% of gay Pacific Islander men would prefer to date another Pacific Islander man

    43% of gay White men would prefer to date another White man.

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/sa...ta-race-reply/
    I see you're deaf AND blind now.
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    I'm just really lonely & I wish I had a boyfriend.......of any race..

    I used to be like that, but not anymore. At least not on the first date. Third date, whole other story..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post

    Instead of making this about me -- let's look at gay dating in general.

    White gay men (43%) are more likely to prefer dating white men, compared to any other race of gay men. AND white gay men are the least likely to respond to replies from online dating suitors because they get so many responses.

    So who's being racist in their dating preferences again?

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/sa...ta-race-reply/
    So why do you support the party that does all it can to widen the divide?
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I'm just really lonely & I wish I had a boyfriend.......of any race..

    Yeah, guys don't like whiners.... Guys of any race.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So why do you support the party that does all it can to widen the divide?
    But but but.... the democrats are the real racists..... that's why all the minorities vote for them.... wait ..WHAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I'm just really lonely & I wish I had a boyfriend.......of any race..

    Yet you insist on supporting the party that makes that harder for you to achieve.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No you just said they should get assimilated and stop whining.
    No, assimilated is your word. I said that they are free to do what they want, and have preferences if they want to go to school or get jobs out of the reservation. I agree they were treated very badly in the past. The question remains, how are they being oppressed now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Look again. I said I would not defend the way they were treated in the past. The question is how are they oppressed today?
    You're the know-it-all here. I think you should have Google capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Um...

    ... south?

    Well, that's where I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    ^^ I get a real laugh when white liberal people try to jump over each other, trying to prove that they're really a minority because they're 0.00025% Native American.

    You're white. You're not a minority.

    Meanwhile, us gay men of color have to deal with the baggage & stigma of being BOTH gay and an ethnic minority, everyday.
    Where'd you get the lame idea that I was 0.00025% Native American. My Grandfather was full blooded Blackfoot, My Mothers Dad was 1/2 of whatever I will find out in my search. The logical Tribe would be Lipan Apache but a cousin says she found a GGGrandmother of Cherokee. Still checking.
    And as for you, you say you are a gay man of color yet you pass off any man of color as a possible partner. You go for the white skinny Republican every time. Keep your racist remarks to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And you support the party that insists on perpetuating that situation.
    Thank you. I didn't think of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I have considered doing my own research. I have a great interest in working in the nations once I retire. Having a stake would make my contributions easier. One of my favorite orgs is Travois.



    Thanks for stating one of many aspects to why indigenous peoples become and stay oppressed. I just couldnt respond to him. I see little to no point.
    That is so YOU to go into something like that. I'm glad I know you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    You're the know-it-all here. I think you should have Google capabilities.
    The correct answer is that they are not oppressed today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No, assimilated is your word. I said that they are free to do what they want, and have preferences if they want to go to school or get jobs out of the reservation. I agree they were treated very badly in the past. The question remains, how are they being oppressed now?
    While surfing this AM I ran across this PDF. You and JQueer might want to read it. It is only 10 pages but it will teach you about the 1st Thanksgiving, which BTW the Pilgrims and their offspring who wrote the American history, did not even mention anything about the Indians that ate at the 1st Thanksgiving. You might learn something more than illegal immigrants.

    http://nmai.si.edu/sites/1/files/pdf...ce=govdelivery
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    While surfing this AM I ran across this PDF. You and JQueer might want to read it. It is only 10 pages but it will teach you about the 1st Thanksgiving, which BTW the Pilgrims and their offspring who wrote the American history, did not even mention anything about the Indians that ate at the 1st Thanksgiving. You might learn something more than illegal immigrants.

    http://nmai.si.edu/sites/1/files/pdf...ce=govdelivery
    Yes, it is very well done. The William Bradford history Of Plymouth Plantation does describe the part that Massasoit and about 90 Indians played in the First Thanksgiving, bringing deer and turkeys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Yes, it is very well done. The William Bradford history Of Plymouth Plantation does describe the part that Massasoit and about 90 Indians played in the First Thanksgiving, bringing deer and turkeys.
    Here's something you can read.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Yes, it is very well done. The William Bradford history Of Plymouth Plantation does describe the part that Massasoit and about 90 Indians played in the First Thanksgiving, bringing deer and turkeys.
    You have a link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    You have a link?
    Here is what Edward Winslow, another of the original Pilgrims wrote, from Wikipedia, Thanksgiving (United States); Edward Winslow, in Mourt's Relation:

    Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruits of our labor. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which we brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Here's something you can read.

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    Is this recognized by any local authorities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No, assimilated is your word. I said that they are free to do what they want, and have preferences if they want to go to school or get jobs out of the reservation. I agree they were treated very badly in the past. The question remains, how are they being oppressed now?
    That you can point out that they have to leave their own land in order to have options, and then ask how they're oppressed, tells me you're not actually interested in an answer -- because you just gave one.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Where'd you get the lame idea that I was 0.00025% Native American. My Grandfather was full blooded Blackfoot, My Mothers Dad was 1/2 of whatever I will find out in my search. The logical Tribe would be Lipan Apache but a cousin says she found a GGGrandmother of Cherokee. Still checking.
    And as for you, you say you are a gay man of color yet you pass off any man of color as a possible partner. You go for the white skinny Republican every time. Keep your racist remarks to yourself.
    For that matter, I'm far more than 0.00025% Native, by a factor of several thousand.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The correct answer is that they are not oppressed today.
    No, the correct answer is that it's a mixed batch. Some tribes have managed to get settlements in federal court, reparations for generations of broken promises, and have done quite well in making their reservations models of prosperity, but others still languish in the hell-holes the federal government fashioned for them.

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    Here's something you can read.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I'm just really lonely & I wish I had a boyfriend.......of any race..

    I thought you were told to stop making CE&P a personal pity party because of your difficulties in getting laid. Your nonsense about racial preferences in dating only serve to turn a thread like this into sophomoric garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Here is what Edward Winslow, another of the original Pilgrims wrote, from Wikipedia, Thanksgiving (United States); Edward Winslow, in Mourt's Relation:

    Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruits of our labor. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which we brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty.
    Going to the same source, kind of, Wikianswer.com. Seems like Winslow didn't go on about the Indians in NE. For some reason this site put the text over a slideshow of Thanksgiving pics with 3 lines of text on each slide. So, knowing how you don't like to read much, I typed out what happened in NE. Seems that the Pilgrims murdered or slaughtered each tribe because they would not conform to the Pilgrims ways, they were killed. You can read it below. And, then for the record all Native Indians since have been put in oppression.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_th...sgiving#slide1

    Why did the Pilgrims kill the Indians on first Thanksgiving?
    The Pilgrims did not kill the Indians on the first Thanksgiving. They celebrated with the Indians the great harvest that was provided. The feast lasted for 3 days and the Indians out numbered the Pilgrims. There were 90 Indians in all. It was a party with lots of food and games that all had played together. The Indians teaching the whites the new games and the whites teaching the Indians new games. The REAL answer: Because the Puritans believed anyone who did not believe the same as they did needed to be "Purified" and they needed to "purify" the lands ect ect so.. because the Native Americans would not conform to the same beliefs they were deemed "savage heathens" and either enslaved or slaughtered. (strong were enslaved and often shipped back to Britain, weak, women, and children were murdered). The Puritans declared a day of "thanksgiving" after every massascre (Tribe by Tribe) until George Washington declared that we should only set aside 1 day a year for Thanksgiving....and then Lincoln declared it a National holiday and the rest is history. That's why.
    So, Jack, will you get off of your racists remarks now? I'm of Native Indian blood from 2 Grandparents, that I know of. There could just be another Tribe involved with my being here on our land that was stolen from the Native Indians. Your ancestors were the illegal immigrants.
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    Your wiki answer is a modern invention with no citation of contemporary sources.

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    She reminds of teachers had years ago to punish the entire class for the actions of one person. So much for the Conservative Compassion of the Bush years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Is this recognized by any local authorities?
    I'll go back and check. It's a Facebook page and I figured they wouldn't be happy with me giving the link to a bigot. I'll get back at cha.
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    So as if on Cue.....

    Not really on topic but short story of ME... I watch football on Sunday so Family Guy occurs later..... apparently this week was a time travel episode that starts out with Stewie giving guns to the Indians just prior to the pilgrims.... well the flourishing modern day Indian nation that resulted absolutely loved jean jackets... among other stereotypical exaggerations...

    Like I said not on topic but I was laughing. It did make me realize that if we were all sitting in a room I doubt JQ or Ben could actually cough up the stuff they pass off as argument here. I sincerely doubt they could say the things they do in public and not be stared at as ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Is this recognized by any local authorities?
    It took a while but I got it. In 1970 the Natives protested the Thanksgiving there. Then by 98 the town got wise and allowed a the National Day of Mourning commemoration to take place. This is an interesting article. Finally White Eyes agreed.

    http://openmediaboston.org/content/n...-mourning-2010

    A event has been held in a similar fashion every year since. Not without struggle, unfortunately. At times Native Americans and their allies have been been met with force by local authorities. But by 1998 an accord was reached between the Town of Plymouth and the event organizers - the United American Indians of New England - that allowed the National Day of Mourning commemoration to take place annually without incident.

    The settlement even provided money for 2 plaques - including one placed on a stone next to the statue of Massasoit that reads
    and then it quotes the article.
    Now, would you believe? Oh, you probably will. I just noticed you were JockBoy87. I suppose it's too late to say welcome back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    It took a while but I got it. In 1970 the Natives protested the Thanksgiving there. Then by 98 the town got wise and allowed a the National Day of Mourning commemoration to take place. This is an interesting article. Finally White Eyes agreed.
    Wow. Thanks for that link.

    So the town was originally hostile to the event. But they still don't recognize it, other than providing the plaque.

    Now, would you believe? Oh, you probably will. I just noticed you were JockBoy87. I suppose it's too late to say welcome back?
    Oh yeah. That. Well I didn't want to make a splash Not your fault. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Your wiki answer is a modern invention with no citation of contemporary sources.
    The Native History was passed down by word of mouth. There were no written documents. If you believe the history taught in schools then you are the fool I believe you to be.
    I will believe anything that a Native Indian will tell. I guess you think the slaughtering of millions of Indians is fair.
    Thanksgiving day is a reminder of the genocide of millions of Native people, the theft of Native lands, and the relentless assault on Native culture.
    Last edited by White Eagle; November 26th, 2013 at 06:09 AM.
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    I do not doubt to unfair treatment or the killing. But, your quote purports to tell us what was going on in the Pilgrim minds, including the need to purify by killing, etc. I do not believe that was the intent, and your telling me that the Pilgrim thinking has been passed down by word of mouth does not substantiate that part of the claim. The white settlers usually believed that they had a right to be there, since the land was not owned in the European sense, and they generally believed that they were defending themselves from unfair attacks. I will not attempt to justify that thinking but merely to point it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I do not doubt to unfair treatment or the killing. But, your quote purports to tell us what was going on in the Pilgrim minds, including the need to purify by killing, etc. I do not believe that was the intent, and your telling me that the Pilgrim thinking has been passed down by word of mouth does not substantiate that part of the claim. The white settlers usually believed that they had a right to be there, since the land was not owned in the European sense, and they generally believed that they were defending themselves from unfair attacks. I will not attempt to justify that thinking but merely to point it out.
    Once again I will point out that you do not know how to read. I didn't say the Pilgrim history was passed down by word of mouth, I said that Native history was. And, again you spout the racist claim that the pilgrims thought it was right for them to slaughter weak men women and children. The belief that they had the right just proves your beliefs. You are sick!
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    To be blunt, I'm appalled that this thread has devolved into the same old same old racist, white supremacist garbage nonsense that just about every thread on homosexual rights does in CE&P.

    For Fuck's sake.

    Not every thread has to be a hobby horse for Stormfront.

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    Nonsense........

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    Stick to the original topic of the thread instead of trying to explain the 'white man's burden' then.

    You've ruined this thread.

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    If you scroll through it you will see that it got off track to the Indian discussion before I entered. With Thanksgivingi approaching, some discussion of the problem was probably inevitable.

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