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    Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Oklahoma governor Mary Fallin (R) has ordered the National Guard in her state to stop processing applications for spousal benefits of any kind at all state-owned facilities. The move is an attempt to deny benefits to same-sex spouses of Oklahoma National Guard members. Fallin believes that by denying ALL spousal benefits (gay and straight) and therefore making the treatment of gay and straight couples the same, that her state will be in compliance with federal regulations on marriage equality.

    Fallin claims she cannot allow Oklahoma to extend benefits to same-sex couples, since the Oklahoma constitution specifically prohibits any recognition of gay marriage.

    "The state of Oklahoma does not recognize same-sex marriages, nor does it confer marriage benefits to same-sex couples. The decision reached today allows the National Guard to obey Oklahoma law without violating federal rules or policies. It protects the integrity of our state constitution and sends a message to the federal government that they cannot simply ignore our laws or the will of the people."
    Fallin's move appears to violate Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel's directive to process the applications of all National Guard spouses, regardless of sex. It is unclear how the defense department will react to Oklahoma's decision. About 90% of the budget of the Oklahoma National Guard is funded by the US federal government.

    Fallin does not appear concerned that her attempt to hurt gays by hurting everyone will prove unpopular. She seems confident that anti-gay bigotry is prominent enough in her state that straight people will be willing to take some hits for team homophobia.

    "The governor is sending the message that Oklahoma desires to be an island of prejudice and continues to uphold laws crafted out of fear and drafted by bigots and hypocrites. Once again she has insulted our citizen soldiers who daily stand in harm's way for the people of Oklahoma."


    - Toby Jenkins, director of Oklahomans for Equality


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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    What a moron. I hope she gets kicked out of her seat for this.
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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Republicans used to be friends of the military.

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    Well isn't she precious.

    What a douchenozzle.

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Obama could call up Oklahoma's National Guard and put them on standby to deploy to the Texas border. He wouldn't have to actually send them; just by being called up and on standby, they're under federal rules and state ones become irrelevant.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Without same sex marriage and divorce, I wonder what a "spouse" would be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Obama could call up Oklahoma's National Guard and put them on standby to deploy to the Texas border. He wouldn't have to actually send them; just by being called up and on standby, they're under federal rules and state ones become irrelevant.
    Little rock nine?

    Obama didn't lead D Day. Might not get away with it.

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Without same sex marriage and divorce, I wonder what a "spouse" would be?
    By historic definition, a spouse is a married husband or wife.

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    In Aust,
    a spouse has equal meaning as a husband or a wife.


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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    WHY do the Republicans hate the troops (and their families) so much?
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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Obama could call up Oklahoma's National Guard and put them on standby to deploy to the Texas border. He wouldn't have to actually send them; just by being called up and on standby, they're under federal rules and state ones become irrelevant.
    NO!

    That is a temporary fix that applies a band aid. They should (and will) do exactly what they were going to do to Texas. Remove all federal employees from the Guard Centers or lay them off. Remove all provided equipment to other states. Remove all funds associated. Then something they never mentioned before BUT offer all OK guard members jobs in states that actually enjoy America. Same for all federal employees, move them to compliant federal jobs in OK through the RIF process and offer the others first grabs at jobs elsewhere when that is exhausted in state. Ensure the state understand this will be permanent if they force it to occur.

    Fuck Mary Fallin... she can populate the state with her, the Indians, Buffalo and the two out of touch senators.

    They will undoubtedly sue, it will go to SCOTUS and the STATE will learn it is NOT entitled to federal welfare if they dont play ball. However, if they force the hand then the result will dissuade other states from trying the same antics.
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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    P.S. the federal facilities are still processing all benefits for guard, active and reserves. They claim this allows compliance with state law and federal law. THAT is exactly what needs to go to SCOTUS. If they must be compelled then ALL constitutional bans or definitions of marriage that embrace ignorance will be in jeopardy if challenged. Unfortunately she may be right.
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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    In Aust,
    a spouse has equal meaning as a husband or a wife.
    In a state without same sex marriage, what would be a "spouse", entitled to benefits? Is an occasional fuck buddy a spouse? Or does he need to be a boy friend, which also needs definition? Does he need to be a room mate? Or does the guard member simply designate someone as his spouse? Can he simply designate a sick buddy to get the health benefit, or is there an actual requirement of frequent sex? How often? How often in a year does he get to change spouses? Obviously, without a marriage and divorce requirement, the status as a spouse could change off and on with each lover's tiff.

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Obviously, without a marriage and divorce requirement, the status as a spouse could change off and on with each lover's tiff.
    How would that be different from the current state of marriage in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    By historic definition, a spouse is a married husband or wife.
    It still is. What's your point with this, beyond your distaste for marriage equality?

    Those applying for spousal benefits would possess a marriage certificate legally obtained from a state in which same sex marriage is recognized. What's so hard to understand about that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Is an occasional fuck buddy a spouse? Or does he need to be a boy friend, which also needs definition? Does he need to be a room mate? Or does the guard member simply designate someone as his spouse? Can he simply designate a sick buddy to get the health benefit, or is there an actual requirement of frequent sex? How often? How often in a year does he get to change spouses? Obviously, without a marriage and divorce requirement, the status as a spouse could change off and on with each lover's tiff.
    You really don't LIKE gay people, do you?

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In a state without same sex marriage, what would be a "spouse", entitled to benefits? Is an occasional fuck buddy a spouse? Or does he need to be a boy friend, which also needs definition? Does he need to be a room mate? Or does the guard member simply designate someone as his spouse? Can he simply designate a sick buddy to get the health benefit, or is there an actual requirement of frequent sex? How often? How often in a year does he get to change spouses? Obviously, without a marriage and divorce requirement, the status as a spouse could change off and on with each lover's tiff.
    Who ever live together like a couple is a spouse.
    They have a form asking about spouse/de facto relationship/ husband or wife for social security benefits ... etc


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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    NO!

    That is a temporary fix that applies a band aid. They should (and will) do exactly what they were going to do to Texas. Remove all federal employees from the Guard Centers or lay them off. Remove all provided equipment to other states. Remove all funds associated. Then something they never mentioned before BUT offer all OK guard members jobs in states that actually enjoy America. Same for all federal employees, move them to compliant federal jobs in OK through the RIF process and offer the others first grabs at jobs elsewhere when that is exhausted in state. Ensure the state understand this will be permanent if they force it to occur.

    Fuck Mary Fallin... she can populate the state with her, the Indians, Buffalo and the two out of touch senators.

    They will undoubtedly sue, it will go to SCOTUS and the STATE will learn it is NOT entitled to federal welfare if they dont play ball. However, if they force the hand then the result will dissuade other states from trying the same antics.
    Ya beat me to it. But I was just gonna say cancel the 90% funding.
    Yours works. BTW, don't throw the Indians into that mix. I just found a cousin has found links to Cherokee in the family.
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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    How would that be different from the current state of marriage in the US?
    Lawyers would make less money?

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    How would that be different from the current state of marriage in the US?
    Divorce and remarriage define the change in spouse upon which others can rely. Health benefits to spouses should not be expected to change with the mere mental change of the guard member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post

    Divorce and remarriage define the change in spouse upon which others can rely. Health benefits to spouses should not be expected to change with the mere mental change of the guard member.
    Huh? What point are you trying to make here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Huh? What point are you trying to make here?
    Lawyers should get paid whenever there's a breakup.

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    Re: Oklahoma National Guard Terminates ALL Spousal Benefits Rather Than Agreeing to Process GAY Spousal Benefits

    God made Oklahoma so Texans would have something to look down on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    ... Fuck Mary Fallin... she can populate the state with her, the Indians, Buffalo and the two out of touch senators. ...
    "... the Indians ..." Never thought I'd see you paint with such a broad pejorative brush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManLicker View Post
    God made Oklahoma so Texans would have something to look down on.
    I knew a guy from Kansas who said God made Oklahoma so Kansas wouldn't have to be next to Texas.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    "... the Indians ..." Never thought I'd see you paint with such a broad pejorative brush.
    Have you ever been to Oklahoma? It is where we as a collective nation stuck the Indians into squalor. That is not pejorative it is fucking reality. Reservations are the third world nations we have written into law as existing in our borders. We mandate laws that keep them oppressed and then provide none of the cash to make the mandates work. It is abysmal and a disgrace of this nation.

    Please don't preach to me about Indians. It is where I will work in charity and support once I finish doing the charity work of this nation around the world. So feel free to start a thread but by Federal law Oklahoma will always have Non-Indians controlling actual depressed Indian people.

    pejorative my ass... that is a people we shit on to this day and everyone in the rest of the country turns a blind eye except when they can attempt a political correct point or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Ya beat me to it. But I was just gonna say cancel the 90% funding.
    Yours works. BTW, don't throw the Indians into that mix. I just found a cousin has found links to Cherokee in the family.
    I add Indians because they are solidly under the foot of any elected government in Oklahoma but have no real say in how that government is acquired. I am a bit more harsh in my response to Palbert but it is close to me. My grandfather is full blooded Cherokee and from one of the Appalachian Cherokee Nation tribes.

    There are over 320k Cherokee able to vote in Oklahoma but the same voting right act laws that protect other minorites do not receive the same outreach, desire and funding for Cherokee votes. Thus a very small percentage vote since they now can actually vote. If the Cherokee nation voted in OK then they would not have an ignorant republican governor almost assuredly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I add Indians because they are solidly under the foot of any elected government in Oklahoma but have no real say in how that government is acquired. I am a bit more harsh in my response to Palbert but it is close to me. My grandfather is full blooded Cherokee and from one of the Appalachian Cherokee Nation tribes.

    There are over 320k Cherokee able to vote in Oklahoma but the same voting right act laws that protect other minorites do not receive the same outreach, desire and funding for Cherokee votes. Thus a very small percentage vote since they now can actually vote. If the Cherokee nation voted in OK then they would not have an ignorant republican governor almost assuredly.
    Is there a program to try to get out their vote?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Is there a program to try to get out their vote?
    #Project 320K it is grassroots but heading in the right direction.
    Last edited by JayHawk; November 23rd, 2013 at 01:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    #Project 320K it is grassroots but heading in the right direction.
    I don't understand why people like Soros don't write checks for those kinds of efforts.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    By historic definition, a spouse is a married husband or wife.
    Yeah, that's the definition of "spouse."

    That's what this thread is discussing. Benefits to a married husband or wife in the Oklahoma National Guard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In a state without same sex marriage, what would be a "spouse", entitled to benefits? Is an occasional fuck buddy a spouse? Or does he need to be a boy friend, which also needs definition? Does he need to be a room mate? Or does the guard member simply designate someone as his spouse? Can he simply designate a sick buddy to get the health benefit, or is there an actual requirement of frequent sex? How often? How often in a year does he get to change spouses? Obviously, without a marriage and divorce requirement, the status as a spouse could change off and on with each lover's tiff.
    So, you don't like the definition of "spouse" and you want to try to structure a new definition which will sound frightening to crazy people in bigoted states.

    If Oklahoma is forced to process spousal benefits to legally married same sex-couples, then tax payers will surely be forced to pay money to every "fuck buddy" in Oklahoma because the federal government somehow will define any kind of sex between gay people as "marriage." Some of these immoral "fuck buddies" are probably even immigrants!

    If only the evil federal government would allow Oklahoma to deny human rights to gays, the world would be a better place, wouldn't it, Benvolio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Have you ever been to Oklahoma? It is where we as a collective nation stuck the Indians into squalor. That is not pejorative it is fucking reality. Reservations are the third world nations we have written into law as existing in our borders. We mandate laws that keep them oppressed and then provide none of the cash to make the mandates work. It is abysmal and a disgrace of this nation.

    Please don't preach to me about Indians. It is where I will work in charity and support once I finish doing the charity work of this nation around the world. So feel free to start a thread but by Federal law Oklahoma will always have Non-Indians controlling actual depressed Indian people.

    pejorative my ass... that is a people we shit on to this day and everyone in the rest of the country turns a blind eye except when they can attempt a political correct point or two.
    How are they oppressed? They are free to leave and join the rest of society. If they want to go to school, most colleges will give them affirmative action and scholarships. Job discrimination is illegal and many employers have affirmative action. I will not defend the way they were treated in the past, and deplore the way the Democrats sent them to Oklahoma in the Trail of Tears. But now, I think our welfare programs have lead to permanent welfare ascendancy on the reservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Yeah, that's the definition of "spouse."

    That's what this thread is discussing. Benefits to a married husband or wife in the Oklahoma National Guard.



    So, you don't like the definition of "spouse" and you want to try to structure a new definition which will sound frightening to crazy people in bigoted states.

    If Oklahoma is forced to process spousal benefits to legally married same sex-couples, then tax payers will surely be forced to pay money to every "fuck buddy" in Oklahoma because the federal government somehow will define any kind of sex between gay people as "marriage." Some of these immoral "fuck buddies" are probably even immigrants!

    If only the evil federal government would allow Oklahoma to deny human rights to gays, the world would be a better place, wouldn't it, Benvolio?
    Look again. I just asked the question. If a state without same sex marriage is required to give spousal benefits, there needs to be some definition of spouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I will not defend the way they were treated in the past, and deplore the way the Democrats sent them to Oklahoma in the Trail of Tears.
    Please don't insult this forum's intelligence. Everyone knows about the realignment in 1968, and how the Republicans used racism to precipitate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In a state without same sex marriage, what would be a "spouse", entitled to benefits? Is an occasional fuck buddy a spouse? Or does he need to be a boy friend, which also needs definition? Does he need to be a room mate? Or does the guard member simply designate someone as his spouse? Can he simply designate a sick buddy to get the health benefit, or is there an actual requirement of frequent sex? How often? How often in a year does he get to change spouses? Obviously, without a marriage and divorce requirement, the status as a spouse could change off and on with each lover's tiff.
    And, uh....what about the straights out there? I'm assuming the same rules apply?

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    Have you ever been to Oklahoma? It is where we as a collective nation stuck the Indians into squalor. That is not pejorative it is fucking reality. Reservations are the third world nations we have written into law as existing in our borders. We mandate laws that keep them oppressed and then provide none of the cash to make the mandates work. It is abysmal and a disgrace of this nation.

    Please don't preach to me about Indians. It is where I will work in charity and support once I finish doing the charity work of this nation around the world. So feel free to start a thread but by Federal law Oklahoma will always have Non-Indians controlling actual depressed Indian people.

    pejorative my ass... that is a people we shit on to this day and everyone in the rest of the country turns a blind eye except when they can attempt a political correct point or two.
    If I misinterpreted the thrust of your post I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    If I misinterpreted the thrust of your post I apologize.
    It is I who owes you such an apology, you are defending the idea of NOT using Indian in a negative way and i was quick to anger. So Sorry!! It is a close issue and I was a bit snockered after receiving some awesome news yesterday.
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    I have seen a poll of American Indians that indicates the preferred demonym is not "Native Americans."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Look again. I just asked the question. If a state without same sex marriage is required to give spousal benefits, there needs to be some definition of spouse.
    There already is and you know it. You're being. for some murky reason, deliberately obtuse. Two people who are legally married in ANY state are defined as spouses when it comes to federal benefits whether YOU like or not. I can't, for the life of me, understand why a "gay" man has such a problem with that but, then, I have given up trying or caring to figure you out so, whatever.

    Maybe you're under the impression that, because it's called the OKLAHOMA National Guard it's not a federal entity. It is and should not be confused with a state defense force.

    So whether or not Oklahoma recognizes same sex marriage, marriage between first cousins, marriage without a waiting period, marriage with a lowered age of consent, marriage without a blood test, etc doesn't matter. As long as the two people were married in a state that legally recognized their union, they are entitled to federal spousal benefits. No "re-definition" to include fuck buddies is required.

    Now are you going to continue to pretend you don't "get" that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I have seen a poll of American Indians that indicates the preferred demonym is not "Native Americans."
    To the extent I have a say, and based on the latest findings, I prefer First People and First Nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Look again. I just asked the question. If a state without same sex marriage is required to give spousal benefits, there needs to be some definition of spouse.
    There is a definition of spouse -- you already stated it. If two people were married in a state where they can get married, they're spouses.

    That should be a no-brainer for a supposed attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    Maybe you're under the impression that, because it's called the OKLAHOMA National Guard it's not a federal entity. It is and should not be confused with a state defense force.
    Technically, it's a state entity until the federal government calls them up. But under Article I Section 8, they're under the authority of the federal government for all things pertaining to organization -- and benefits count.

    So this idiot governor is just that -- an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I knew a guy from Kansas who said God made Oklahoma so Kansas wouldn't have to be next to Texas.
    ^^Where is all of this going? Just askin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Have you ever been to Oklahoma? It is where we as a collective nation stuck the Indians into squalor. That is not pejorative it is fucking reality. Reservations are the third world nations we have written into law as existing in our borders. We mandate laws that keep them oppressed and then provide none of the cash to make the mandates work. It is abysmal and a disgrace of this nation.

    Please don't preach to me about Indians. It is where I will work in charity and support once I finish doing the charity work of this nation around the world. So feel free to start a thread but by Federal law Oklahoma will always have Non-Indians controlling actual depressed Indian people.

    pejorative my ass... that is a people we shit on to this day and everyone in the rest of the country turns a blind eye except when they can attempt a political correct point or two.
    You should see some of the websites I've been reading. They, the Indians, will tell you the truth as it is! I'm amazed and glad that Custer got his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I add Indians because they are solidly under the foot of any elected government in Oklahoma but have no real say in how that government is acquired. I am a bit more harsh in my response to Palbert but it is close to me. My grandfather is full blooded Cherokee and from one of the Appalachian Cherokee Nation tribes.

    There are over 320k Cherokee able to vote in Oklahoma but the same voting right act laws that protect other minorites do not receive the same outreach, desire and funding for Cherokee votes. Thus a very small percentage vote since they now can actually vote. If the Cherokee nation voted in OK then they would not have an ignorant republican governor almost assuredly.
    Not to worry, I was just spoutin the nonsense that I usually do.
    As I said my cousin has been searching our past and found a relative that was Cherokee. I'm doing a lot of studying on this subject. Anyway we may just be bros.
    Oh, yeah, my Grandfather was full blooded Blackfoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    How are they oppressed? They are free to leave and join the rest of society. If they want to go to school, most colleges will give them affirmative action and scholarships. Job discrimination is illegal and many employers have affirmative action. I will not defend the way they were treated in the past, and deplore the way the Democrats sent them to Oklahoma in the Trail of Tears. But now, I think our welfare programs have lead to permanent welfare ascendancy on the reservation.
    This is the most racist thing I have seen you post and I've seen plenty. Now have you ever heard of any of the many Tribes in the US, that their land was stolen by the Europeans, these Tribes want to get their Tribes back. We do not need you to stick your sick foot into the mess. You and people like you are the reason they are in this position anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    To the extent I have a say, and based on the latest findings, I prefer First People and First Nations.
    Thank you, those are the names I have been trying to remember. The legs go first, then the memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    This is the most racist thing I have seen you post and I've seen plenty. Now have you ever heard of any of the many Tribes in the US, that their land was stolen by the Europeans, these Tribes want to get their Tribes back. We do not need you to stick your sick foot into the mess. You and people like you are the reason they are in this position anyway.
    Look again. I said I would not defend the way they were treated in the past. The question is how are they oppressed today?

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    Look again. I said I would not defend the way they were treated in the past. The question is how are they oppressed today?
    No you just said they should get assimilated and stop whining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    ^^Where is all of this going? Just askin'.
    Um...

    ... south?


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    Am I thinking of another thread, or did one of my more eloquent recent efforts get deleted?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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