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    Whatever Kabluey. You don't get to choose how you identify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    I smell a diversion.
    You're more transparent than you think.
    Maybe you should take a little time out.
    No, I smell a diversion. Or do you not like it when people call you out on your bizarre generic accusations? You said my posts here reveal stuff. Share with the class what that stuff is or don't make claims you can't support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz View Post
    Whatever Kabluey. You don't get to choose how you identify.
    I broke a blanket in half. Do you get where I'm going with this?
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    Whatever Roylo, you get to define an entire facet of sexuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    You said my posts here reveal stuff. Share with the class what that stuff is or don't make claims you can't support.
    G_d, where to start?

    I'll summarise:
    1. Like GiancarloC, you're always right, even when you're wrong.
    2. You're often wrong.





    Oh... and 3.


    -d-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I just know better than everyone else. It's such a heavy burden (._. )
    The first step is always acknowledging you have a problem.

    Maybe one day you'll get around to fixing it.

    You really do remind me of GiancarloC - one step short of declaring himself omnipotent.
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    Re: Bisexuals - do you have a preference?

    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^I am trisexual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Oh YES I am......


    Self-proclaimed sexuality with no basis in reality just like the bi lie....
    But you don't know anything about reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post

    G_d, where to start?

    I'll summarise:
    1. Like GiancarloC, you're always right, even when you're wrong.
    2. You're often wrong.

    Oh... and 3.

    -d-
    Another low rent post. Really, are you sure you are old enough to be on this forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Totally. I am all about the vag now.

    What fragile ego though? Please elaborate. Just because I have the arrogance to assume I can analyze people and that occasionally I see more than they (are willing to) do, doesn't actually reveal any "fears" on my part. I also dare you to tell me what this has revealed about my past history.

    As for prejudices, I freely admit I am very prejudiced toward homosexuals who don't have the balls to call themselves that while being supposedly "out" as anything but gay.
    And why does it affect you so much? Isn't it their problem if they are in the closet? How does it negatively impact you personally in any way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Another low rent post.
    Well, use of highfalutin, new-fangled tactics like logic and facts has failed dismally, so I'm changing tack.

    Interesting that you expect excellence from us, and then ignore it. Something to think about, perhaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Really, are you sure you are old enough to be on this forum?
    Pretty sure, yeah.

    -d-

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    Quote Originally Posted by dereperez View Post
    And why does it affect you so much? Isn't it their problem if they are in the closet? How does it negatively impact you personally in any way?
    I already explained it earlier in the thread:

    1. The gay community is harmed by every person who refuses to embrace being gay. I don't mean closeted people, but those who are "out", but refuse to be called "gay". It enforces the wrong stereotype that being "gay" makes you a feminine bar queen and anyone who isn't like that should steer clear of the word.

    2. The bisexual community is harmed by every GAY person who claims to be bi, because every time a "bisexual" gay boy cheats on his girlfriend because he isn't really into pussy, society says "oh, bisexuals can't be trusted, they can never be faithful", when he wasn't "bi" to begin with. Meanwhile, on the other end, gay people refuse to believe ANYONE who claims he's bi, because so many of us lie to themselves to feel less "gay". Which, again, harms the REAL bisexuals.

    While neither of those has brought an angry mob directly at my door, EVERYTHING that casts sexual minorities in a negative light affects the general attitude toward us, and the general attitude toward us affects us all, including personally me. There is a reason why up until so very few years ago, LGBT rights were plodding at a snail pace, and that's because so many of us fight tooth and nail to not be identified as "gay". I do feel personally affected by this in a number of ways.

    I hope that answers your question. I tried to be sincere and not fight.
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    Re: Bisexuals - do you have a preference?

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Well, use of highfalutin, new-fangled tactics like logic and facts has failed dismally, so I'm changing tack.

    Interesting that you expect excellence from us, and then ignore it. Something to think about, perhaps?



    Pretty sure, yeah.

    -d-
    I am sorry, do you really see excellence in your posts? Because so far, the only thing your posts have affected, is your post count.
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    ^Since you disregard every point raised by anyone whose position doesn't wholeheartedly and flag-wavingly agree with you, would it matter?

    Be honest.

    -d-

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    Re: Bisexuals - do you have a preference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I am sorry, do you really see excellence in your posts? Because so far, the only thing your posts have affected, is your post count.
    Rolyo what a simple reply. I must say there is nothing convincing in your own posts on this topic, nothing at all. You act authoritatively until someone calls you on your facts, and then retreat to saying "It's just my opinion."

    Well, that's even easier. Your opinion just isn't convincing. While some gay people make a fake claim to the bisexual label due to a desire to hang on to some kind of straightness, bisexual people are real and, once any reasonable account is made for the effects of oppressive socialization, their numbers are far greater than you are willing to permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I already explained it earlier in the thread:

    1. The gay community is harmed by every person who refuses to embrace being gay. I don't mean closeted people, but those who are "out", but refuse to be called "gay". It enforces the wrong stereotype that being "gay" makes you a feminine bar queen and anyone who isn't like that should steer clear of the word.

    2. The bisexual community is harmed by every GAY person who claims to be bi, because every time a "bisexual" gay boy cheats on his girlfriend because he isn't really into pussy, society says "oh, bisexuals can't be trusted, they can never be faithful", when he wasn't "bi" to begin with. Meanwhile, on the other end, gay people refuse to believe ANYONE who claims he's bi, because so many of us lie to themselves to feel less "gay". Which, again, harms the REAL bisexuals.

    While neither of those has brought an angry mob directly at my door, EVERYTHING that casts sexual minorities in a negative light affects the general attitude toward us, and the general attitude toward us affects us all, including personally me. There is a reason why up until so very few years ago, LGBT rights were plodding at a snail pace, and that's because so many of us fight tooth and nail to not be identified as "gay". I do feel personally affected by this in a number of ways.

    I hope that answers your question. I tried to be sincere and not fight.
    Credit where it is due, this is a good post.

    -d-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I already explained it earlier in the thread:

    1. The gay community is harmed by every person who refuses to embrace being gay. I don't mean closeted people, but those who are "out", but refuse to be called "gay". It enforces the wrong stereotype that being "gay" makes you a feminine bar queen and anyone who isn't like that should steer clear of the word.

    2. The bisexual community is harmed by every GAY person who claims to be bi, because every time a "bisexual" gay boy cheats on his girlfriend because he isn't really into pussy, society says "oh, bisexuals can't be trusted, they can never be faithful", when he wasn't "bi" to begin with. Meanwhile, on the other end, gay people refuse to believe ANYONE who claims he's bi, because so many of us lie to themselves to feel less "gay". Which, again, harms the REAL bisexuals.

    While neither of those has brought an angry mob directly at my door, EVERYTHING that casts sexual minorities in a negative light affects the general attitude toward us, and the general attitude toward us affects us all, including personally me. There is a reason why up until so very few years ago, LGBT rights were plodding at a snail pace, and that's because so many of us fight tooth and nail to not be identified as "gay". I do feel personally affected by this in a number of ways.

    I hope that answers your question. I tried to be sincere and not fight.
    Good points and thank you for your clarification without resorting to mud-slinging.

    One wonders why you couldn't have posted similarly to begin with to explain your stance. Seems like there was a bit of tit-for-tat going on in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    While some gay people make a fake claim to the bisexual label due to a desire to hang on to some kind of straightness, bisexual people are real and, once any reasonable account is made for the effects of oppressive socialization, their numbers are far greater than you are willing to permit.
    I have not for a second disputed anything in this quote.

    Except for the last part which neither of us can really prove either way until homos stop stealing the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dereperez View Post

    Good points and thank you for your clarification without resorting to mud-slinging.

    One wonders why you couldn't have posted similarly to begin with to explain your stance. Seems like there was a bit of tit-for-tat going on in this thread.
    Well, in my defense, abrasive tone or not, I said the exact same things earlier
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    Is a bisexual who prefers women considered bisexual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz View Post
    Is a bisexual who prefers women considered bisexual?
    I think based on some of the definitions given in this thread-ictionary, bisexuals are closet gays with preferences to only men.

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    Sometimes I wish that were true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Well, in my defense, abrasive tone or not, I said the exact same things earlier
    The first thing you said was if you have a preference, you're not bi.

    Your answer after 4 pages is wholly different than that.

    Let's be real here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    And what would be the right stereotype?

    Until the outspoken segments of gay men stop adding connotations to "gay" (bars, fem, socially Left, counter-cultural, glam, egotistical, catty, muscle-worship, polyamorous, whatever. . . ), one really cannot fault any gay man from eschewing a label that carries some sort of combo pack. As a man who is attracted to other men sexually, I have no onus to necessarily endorse any trappings of other men's preferences, be they S&M, bar culture, prostitution, or the like. That doesn't mean I am campaigning against those things, but I have every right to be identified as an individual, not as a trope.

    When gay men stop stereotyping their own group, we will see the larger culture follow.
    Nobody is immune from stereotyping. We get stereotyped every day, based on a million factors. Often inaccurately. But I don't deny I'm a geek because people might assume I'm a bespectacled virgin, or that I'm a musician because people will assume I'm in a band and do drugs. I don't see a difference with being gay.

    Furthermore, living in the gayborhood of a major city, I see a vastly more diverse gay scene than the one anti-"gay stereotypes" people on JUB usually describe, which makes me think that at best they have a very limited exposure to actual scene, and at worst - that THEY are the ones stereotyping without actual respect for truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I have not for a second disputed anything in this quote.

    Except for the last part which neither of us can really prove either way until homos stop stealing the term.
    Your response is what's called "begging the question."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post

    The first thing you said was if you have a preference, you're not bi.

    Your answer after 4 pages is wholly different than that.

    Let's be real here.
    It only really needs minor tweaking. I'd say the updated version would be "if you have a STRONG AND CONSISTENT preference that you usually act on." And I stand by that.
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    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Ahh! Fantastic insight, thank you for finding that.

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    I just find it amazing that a segment of society who has been oppressed and struggled long throughout history sees itself fit to deny the existence of another marginalized segment. How typical. Discrimination amongst our own ranks. Maybe that is EXACTLY why many choose to not identify as gay. Too many restrictions. Equal rights means equal for all fellas!
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Re: Bisexuals - do you have a preference?

    Of the many users who have posted in this topic, literally only one has denied the existence of bisexuals. I'd say we should stop acting like it's some evil tidal wave of denial

    Meanwhile, to answer Dejavudoo, gay identity and gay culture do exist. You're welcome to hate it and stay away from it, but as someone railing against the denial of bisexuality, I'd expect you'd think twice before actually denying it.
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    ^thank you Mikey.

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    Re: Bisexuals - do you have a preference?

    1. The subculture that claims the moniker "gay culture" might represent a small fraction of gay men, but most certainly represents the majority of COMPLETELY OUT gay men. Because nobody is "enforcing" gay culture, and therefore if the majority of out gays felt differently, gay culture would reflect that.

    2. Sexuality is one of the biggest and most profound aspects of who you are as a person. The only people who feel the need to state loudly that their sexuality is just a small part of who they are, are gay men. Coincidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    That's a bit Pollyanna. Your suggestion that being oppressed means that oppressed groups do not in turn oppress others is almost silly. The world over, groups oppress other groups, view other marginalized groups as inferior. Examples are so numerous, it is almost pointless to cite them. If your supposed premise were valid, Black Americans would have never ostracized gay men, but quite the opposite is true, now isn't it?

    Jewish people would not be the racists who view gays, goys, blacks, or whomever as inferior.

    Chinese Americans would be fast friends of Blacks and Latinos here. That ain't true, now is it, despite some younger Americans being exceptions.
    Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok. And I'm comparing apples (gay men) to apples (bi men), not oranges to bananas or pears.

    But wow, kudos to you. That is the first time I've ever seen anyone try to rationalize discrimination.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Sexuality is not, for the majority of men, the first and most prominent identifier of self, no matter how fundamental it is. And, as gays are more and more accepted as just other people, there will be less and less of the gay subculture to survive over time.
    ^well said.

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