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    Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    I've always thought about this, and I could be mistaken, but i get the feeling that many adult actors, after leaving the industry, go on to bash the hand that once fed them. To be honest, they can sometimes come off as denying experiencing any enjoyment/fulfillment while doing it.

    I don't know if that's the case. I'm sure that, at some point, there were enjoyable moments. Also, i'm sure they've cherished some, if any, of the attention it's brought them. Some have cultivated a fan base, internet popularity, and if anything else, if they are fighting to go mainstream, their first step into cultivating an account with the public was through their adult works.

    A lot of porn actors, both gay and straight, who have received any sort of gig based on their past, often get casted to "play" themselves.

    I don't like the idea of treating pornography as solely a stepping stone and then soon after, leave, never turn back, deny any enjoyment in it, and "big-time" it -- meaning snub it, and shun it away.

    To me, it seems that a lot of porn actors bash the industry. Inevitably, even in ways unknown to them, it seems that the industry played a key role in leading to their current endeavors. Some end up being "kept" by public figures --in rarer occasions, after perhaps being spotted in ther works and pursued-- make mediocre mainstream appearances, and get hired as spokes people for STD prevention.

    Does anyone feel the same? How do retired porn actors come off to you? If any appear to act as stated, how does that make you feel?

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    I don't make it a habit to catch up on the former lives of people that I didn't care enough to watch habitually in their former careers.

    People use things for stepping stones all the time... and then deny how they got there. When they fall they'll know why.
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    You know, I often wonder about that. Just recently I was watching a video of Jason Sizemore, and I wondered what he's up to now. The same goes for Sean Cody, Corbin Fisher, etc. models from years ago. I know one early Sean Cody model is still going at it; Colby Keller. I personally don't find him that attractive, but he's doing professional porn now, and he has a blog and everything. He's apparently the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. He also has really big feet, which I admit, is kinda interesting to me

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    I just heard on the radio A very famous retired female porn star who swore she would never have sex again on film--now that she's a mom---and hated her past ---has just returned to the biz as she is broke. Sad really.

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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    I just heard on the radio A very famous retired female porn star who swore she would never have sex again on film--now that she's a mom---and hated her past ---has just returned to the biz as she is broke. Sad really.

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    It's a loaded question, now isn't it? The only ones who'd have much real cause to make a prominent break with it would be those who'd moved on to other notable (if private) success. Whereas I'm such most move on to something, as age dictates, most don't probably become so successful as to have to publicly break with the "fame."

    That, by definition, is a very, very, very small number of individuals. So, how I feel about them is not very relevant to the industry itself.

    In the end, I wish any individual who was in porn success in life even though I don't think the industry a good thing. The fact is, like prostitution without celebrity, porn is a reality in our media age. I've personally known prostitutes, and I do not feel animosity against them, even though I do against their trade. I want people to succeed and be well. For most, that will mean finding something better than prostitution.

    I don't have any animus at all for those who've put it behind them. Denial may not be too clever, but moving on is moving on.

    I'm much, much more disturbed by the majority of people who have used their college years as a stepping stone to their careers rather than as a fundamental opportunity to become an educated person.
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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    That, by definition, is a very, very, very small number of individuals. So, how I feel about them is not very relevant to the industry itself.
    It doesn't have to. Your opinion is still desired.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    "In the end, I wish any individual who was in porn success in life even though I don't think the industry a good thing."

    "I've personally known prostitutes, and I do not feel animosity against them, even though I do against their trade. I want people to succeed and be well. For most, that will mean finding something better than prostitution."

    "Denial may not be too clever, but moving on is moving on."
    To me, psychologically moving on would mean avoiding denial.

    Any denial of the past comes off as a character flaw, or internalized anger that's manifesting in other ways.

    Also, to me, prostitution isn't something that i believe universally destroys lives.

    I thank all those who sacrafice their bodies for pornography, since I do enjoy those products, and they do have their purpose in the world --whether people hold it's purpose to any high regard or not.

    I enjoy pornography, and i wouldn't want it to go away. I don't believe all of it's actors are suffering from it.

    In my opinion, leaving pornography behind, free of emotional strife, involes rejecting any urge to deny. Those who deny their past, to me, would benefit from searching for a deeper reason for it.

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    By extension, my irrelevance in responding implies all responses are irrelevant because the scenario you described doesn't apply to most porn "actors."

    I didn't argue that prostitution destroys lives, but there is much evidence that it is damaging and counterproductive, and sometimes, deadly.

    It also doesn't follow that denial isn't moving one. One can start with a shitty job in life, and later tell oneself that "it wasn't really me -- that was before I found my bliss." That is denial. But it isn't some psychological condition that means one hasn't moved on.

    Methinks you have a preconception about porn and what it means sociologically, and will not accept other possibilities. You'll get better responses from members on an open question if you leave it open rather than rebutting. Ask for views, get them, and consider them. Turning it into a debate, or restating other's positions will only squelch candid response.
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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    I just heard on the radio A very famous retired female porn star who swore she would never have sex again on film--now that she's a mom---and hated her past ---has just returned to the biz as she is broke. Sad really.
    Thats Jenna Jameson

    'I'm doing it for my children': Jenna Jameson returns to porn despite vowing never to be involved in adult films again

    The star told TMZ on Sunday night that she needed to once again be a porn star to support her family.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz2kn1xGTIp

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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    Methinks you have a preconception about porn and what it means sociologically, and will not accept other possibilities. You'll get better responses from members on an open question if you leave it open rather than rebutting. Ask for views, get them, and consider them. Turning it into a debate, or restating other's positions will only squelch candid response.
    I don't agree, everyone has an opinion, and everyone has opinions on opininons. It's free speech, and whenever a person comments, and something interesting is said, it can be nice to respond --at atleast for me.

    I don't believe anyone has to feel sequestered due to a rebuttle.

    Some may think a response could spark more, and it could be positive.

    To me, switching a career is fine, as I don't have an issue with someone turning to a new career, I just don't feel it's necessary to bash a past, even when retired. It can come off as unflattering, and makes me believe that something lies beneath. I could be wrong, but that's just how it registers with me.

    I do believe that anyone in pornography can be successful in other endeavors, but i don't believe any would necessarily be "better" since i don't belive pornography to be "bad" or a "worse" choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pcp3t3 View Post
    Does anyone feel the same? How do retired porn actors come off to you? If any appear to act as stated, how does that make you feel?
    What you seem to have meant was "don't you agree?"

    You included an open-ended question ("How do retired porn actors come off to you?) but you reject any view that suggests retired porn actors are not behaving, as a group, the way your scenario portrays them.

    There isn't significant statistical evidence that any significant number of ex-porn actors actively deny their past (as opposed to simply not promoting it), so I still contend the problem you have with the few is pretty contrived in relation to the industry itself and the many thousands who have passed through it. The construct is similar to arguing, "don't you get annoyed when the Speakers of the House of Representatives shut down the U.S. government and then blame it on the Presidents?"

    Your case study isn't about ex-porn actors so much as it is about a tiny handful of prominent examples that are being arbitrarily portrayed to be representative. By the way, Boehner denies it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    Thats Jenna Jameson

    'I'm doing it for my children': Jenna Jameson returns to porn despite vowing never to be involved in adult films again

    The star told TMZ on Sunday night that she needed to once again be a porn star to support her family.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz2kn1xGTIp
    Can't she find a non-porn job at all? It make me wonder if its because they have no other work experience they can call upon.

    As for the self loathing, maybe its because they're not getting paid like film stars where every sale nets them some percentage. In effect they may just hate the industry because they feel exploited and could have gained more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    There isn't significant statistical evidence that any significant number of ex-porn actors actively deny their past (as opposed to simply not promoting it)
    That reminds me of another thing. I often see patterns in those who claim opting out information --e.g. as long as no one asks about your sexuality, you won't tell, and feel no reason to-- in certain circumstances, can be no different than having a deeper desire to unhealthily avoid something.

    For example, someone can lie outside of making a false statement. You can be mislead with a lack of information.

    When people conveniently "opt out" details about their life, more often than not, it's done out of a desire to benefit from there being a lack of given information, as opposed to any omission being amicable, and organic in it's occurence and progression --even though for the record people can do whatever they like, even outright lie if they desire to.

    The "opt out" reasoning can sometimes be a well-orchestrated, purposeful, and perhaps premeditated, defense to the common assumption that the lack of input, was meant to be, due to the belief that the knownledge of something would do harm.

    The reasoning can be an attempt to rationalize, and enable --although, again, anyone can do anything they please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    Can't she find a non-porn job at all? It make me wonder if its because they have no other work experience they can call upon.

    As for the self loathing, maybe its because they're not getting paid like film stars where every sale nets them some percentage. In effect they may just hate the industry because they feel exploited and could have gained more.
    Who is going to hire a porn star?

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    Or omissions can simply be because they are irrelevant.

    If one performed in sex videos in his 20's, but went on to finish his science degree and work in a research lab, he justifiably omits listing those credits on his resume, and unless he fronts for his firm at major conferences, his porn background IS irrelevant. High school teacher, not so much irrelevant, as it will cost him his job when it does come out.

    It is VERY different than closeted sexuality. Closeted sexuality is denying who you ARE: omitting porn experience is hiding what you did. A porn actor has about as much obligation to drag it around with him as does a teenager to drag around the reference that he wrecked his dad's car or got the girl pregnant. It was a phase, not his DNA. Being gay is an integral part of one's psyche. Having been a porn actor or a postal worker was a job, not an identity.

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    I think the regret for most comes from their later place in straight society, where having done gay porn may cause them embarrassment and financial harm. Needing to hide it is not the same as hating or regretting it. It is not the porn itself, but the straight reaction to it. Nor do they all feel the same. I have known one famous porn star since 2000 and talk to him from time to time. He has married, has a child and a business in the straight world. He has adjusted well and does not express any embarrassment or regret.

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    I think the internet will make it more difficult for them to escape their past. They chose that life and many seem to love it while doing it with the parties, bogus "award" ceremonies and Amazon wish lists. How do you explain in a job interview 5 years missing in your job history and little to no education?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    Who is going to hire a porn star?
    Um, anybody who doesn't consider porn to be some sort of blot on somebody's life? If she could do whatever job I was hiring for, why wouldn't I hire her?

    And no, this isn't hypothetical. I know a guy in town who has done porn, and I've gotten to know him. As it is, he works outside my field, but if he were looking for work in my field, I'd certainly recommend him.

    Quote Originally Posted by BevanBB View Post
    I think the internet will make it more difficult for them to escape their past. They chose that life and many seem to love it while doing it with the parties, bogus "award" ceremonies and Amazon wish lists. How do you explain in a job interview 5 years missing in your job history and little to no education?
    Probably the same way he does. "I did some modeling and worked in entertainment." If they ask, he tells them it was for "adult" films. If they don't, he doesn't. And his career doesn't seem to have suffered greatly.

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    I've met two former porn stars. One was militantly hateful to anyone who knew and dared to mention it at all; the other didn't really care. I have no idea why the difference.

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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    "Having been a porn actor or a postal worker was a job, not an identity."
    It's common for a person to be fired due to a discrepency on their resume.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    "Or omissions can simply be because they are irrelevant. "
    Pre-determining any interest an employer "should" have in ones career history is not for the job candidate to decide.

    From what I can tell, pornographic work is a job, and counts as previous work experience, and whether or not it's mentioned, can lead to termination, regardless of it's morality, relevance to industry, or a persons productivity.

    The difference between any tenure in the adult world, and a love child, is that the love child isn't a job.
    Although it's interesting to note that, regardless of it's morality, unflattering facts about a person could lead to a termination, or decision not to hire.

    Anything found to be misrepresented on a resume, including omitted details about a past job, can lead to ramifications, including job loss. It could be marked up as being dishonest, an unflattering character flaw, and not an ability to produce in the mailroom --which is their choice.

    For example, If two job candidates, both with experience in adult work, applied for a position with two openings, and were both hired, one may be fired, upon discovery of squelched details regarding a past career.

    Not adhering to certain HR procedures, guidelines or protocol, can mean a termination, and typing speed won't matter. Avoiding mentions of previous work history is a catalyst to termination.

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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    I know several former twink actors from my time in Orlando, and no they don't, mostly because it is a short career and only a small part of one's life/social life.

    Sure, some of the famous ones might get recognized in the workplace, but by and large they aren't. You have to remember that only a small percentage of people ever look at a gay porn, so it is very unlikely to get in trouble at work unless you have a large profile. The actors I have known all had normal jobs. Most who held jobs were servers or worked in retail, or otherwise were students at UCF or Embry Riddle.

    Being involved with a studio even an indie one can be an exciting lifestyle, being around attractive people, having amazing sex and parties, etc. The longer one spends in that atmosphere the harder it is to get away from it. Losing popularity and looks is depressing and mentally challenging. For a twink actor approaching 30 is a nightmare. As the years go by, it is difficult to impossible to gain healthy weight and look college age. There is no regret in that. That's life, but having come down from a rarefied status in the porn/club scene, I wouldn't be surprised if some regret not having an average life all along.

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    It's funny because I know a former gay porn actor that is a tad famous who lives near me and he is so repulsed by anal sex now that he refuses to have anal again.

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    Some bash it because it's the way they can "justify" what they did to, both to themselves and others. They also get attention. Linda Lovelace wrote a book about how great her life in porn was, but it went nowhere. Then she writes a book saying that she was forced into it, that it led to issues with substances and relationships, etc etc etc... And suddenly she's the darling of the media, getting booked (and paid) on talk shows, speaking engagements, book signings, being trotted out by anti-porn, anti-vice groups.

    Many leave but end up back in porn because they miss the attention and the money. Where else are people, women in particular, going to make that kind of money in small amounts of time?

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    ^
    Yep. Even the liberal-leaning major media in the US suffer from the puritanical self-righteous streak that doesn't really believe other people own their own bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8Top14701 View Post
    Some bash it because it's the way they can "justify" what they did to, both to themselves and others. They also get attention. Linda Lovelace wrote a book about how great her life in porn was, but it went nowhere. Then she writes a book saying that she was forced into it, that it led to issues with substances and relationships, etc etc etc... And suddenly she's the darling of the media, getting booked (and paid) on talk shows, speaking engagements, book signings, being trotted out by anti-porn, anti-vice groups.

    Many leave but end up back in porn because they miss the attention and the money. Where else are people, women in particular, going to make that kind of money in small amounts of time?
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    Re: Do retired porn actors hate their past?

    I'd imagine that for the majority (outside of the small handful that turn into major porn stars), they do a couple films, finish college, and move on with their lives.

    unless you're planning on being a teacher or some kind of public figure, a porn star past probably isn't grounds to get terminated over a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I know several former twink actors from my time in Orlando, and no they don't, mostly because it is a short career and only a small part of one's life/social life.
    If you're stating their lack of hate comes from having a short tenure in porn, that's interesting.

    However, one thing concerns me:

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    Sure, some of the famous ones might get recognized in the workplace, but by and large they aren't. You have to remember that only a small percentage of people ever look at a gay porn, so it is very unlikely to get in trouble at work unless you have a large profile.
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    Having a different career is one thing, but rationalizing a lapse in career history, or an avoidance of a past being discussed, with gay porns obscurity, to me, isn't healthy.

    To me, someone hoping they won't be discovered, due to an assumed obscurity, supports there being a dersire to hide. Just because something may not be found easily, doesn't mean a person has to push it along, or hope for it. In the workplace, the employer decides the relevancy of a past career.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Needing to hide it is not the same as hating or regretting it. It is not the porn itself, but the straight reaction to it. Nor do they all feel the same.
    The "need" to hide is assumed. You have an obligation to present all history to an employer, and upon review, you'll be notified of any woes.

    The fear of outcry or being rebuked, whether moral or not, doesn't merit usurping those accused of a chance to choose their own response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I have known one famous porn star since 2000 and talk to him from time to time. He has married, has a child and a business in the straight world. He has adjusted well and does not express any embarrassment or regret.
    To me, whenever a person believes in a "Gay" and "Straight" world, they can position the "straight" world as superior, and as something to aspire to. They can proclaim a desire to be accepted amongst them, which can stem from unknown misconceptions.

    Personally, I only perceive "one" world.

    He may suffer from feeling an unhealthy "need" to "earn" a place among "straights". Which can put "straight people" on a pedastool, highlighting acceptance as joining a private club, or obtaining a prize.

    He could view himself as subjugated, and embellish by claiming there to be a "need" to omit versus a "desire". If true, that can be unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    unless you're planning on being a teacher or some kind of public figure, a porn star past probably isn't grounds to get terminated over a job.
    It may not be, but it's not for the job candidate to decide. It's merit can be unseen, but if left unstated, employers could terminate. It may not be the career, but an unorthodox omission, or perceived misrepresentation of career history. Also, if any prejudicial values played a part, in regards to it being porn, they could still terminate, regardless of it's moral right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    Who is going to hire a porn star?
    You'll hire a porn star if he has the skills you're looking for. To state the obvious, you need marketable skills other than fucking and being fucked. Porn actor or rentboy, I assume it's rarely a good move to give up your day job. On the other hand, income from prostitution helped to put me through grad school, and during the years in which I was establishing myself in my profession, allowed me to take prestigious but low-paying jobs that I knew would open doors, allow me to make connections, and look good on my resume'. From my own experience knowing other guys in the sex business, my history is not entirely uncommon. The irony for me in this discussion is the expectation that I could always fall back on hustling gave me the confidence to take risks that I might otherwise have not taken, and that my biggest career break came from a chance encounter that never would have happened if I hadn't been a whore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    You'll hire a porn star if he has the skills you're looking for. To state the obvious, you need marketable skills
    Therein lies the rub -- marketable. If your market is one which publicity about a porn career would be damaging to sales, then your employer has every right to discriminate for that trait when it is a career experience, not race/gender/etc.

    Your posting dwells long on prostitution, but the OP is addressing pornography specifically, the publicized examples of prostitution. Your covert behaviors benefitted you most likely because they were not public events, accessible by anyone in a porn shop, internet connection, or such.

    The fact that you were a paid whore may have helped fortune smile upon you due to your chance encounter, but it was just that, a chance encounter. Most whores don't necessarily succeed with a big career break because a John was in the desired position, so to speak.

    To the OP's point, you seem to have been making material omissions to your resume if your second job was boosting your career. Not only were you violating most employers' policies against moonlighting, you did so covertly. Aside from any moral considerations at all, it sounds like your prostitution was simply unethical. The fact that you know others who did the same may only be a product of traveling in unethical circles. That people can and do fuck their way to the top is not the exclusive domain of rent boys.

    The question still remains, even if about a fractional group, do porn stars turn on their industry after it no longer serves them. If you weren't a porn star, then prostitution isn't the question.
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    ^
    Nicely written. I could leave it at that, but--
    Man, are you hard to please!

    Regarding a few of your points:
    A number of friends and a few colleagues knew and know I was a prostitute. It was anything but covert. At times I was completely open about it, at other times less so, so I'm not exactly surprised when I discover that people I never assumed would know, turn out to know. If anyone asks--and they occasional do--I tell them I had a really good time, a great time, in fact. If I have any regrets, it's that I didn't do porn when it was offered--I backed out for all of the typical reasons, but I honestly wonder if it would have been detrimental to my career. I'd love to do it now, but couldn't: starting porn at 19 or 24 is a youthful adventure; starting porn at 38 when you have a real career looks like a mid-life crisis.

    I've always thought my actions completely ethical--honest and forthright--no less as a whore than in any other endeavor.
    I've never understood why getting paid for sex was in any way wrong.

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    I've never understood the issue. A person owns himself, and that means he owns his body. If he wants to rent it or sell it, what's the big deal? Most of the population gets their income by renting their bodies or minds or both; this is just another form of that.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I've never understood the issue. A person owns himself, and that means he owns his body. If he wants to rent it or sell it, what's the big deal? Most of the population gets their income by renting their bodies or minds or both; this is just another form of that.
    I don't think it's rocket science. Prostitution is perceived as an inherent threat to the status quo, to monogamous unions, and the rights of inheritance. That's all in addition to the social mores. Of course, the potential for bastard children is not present when one is referring to male prostitution.

    The suggestion that ownership of a body is in some way any mitigation for social taboos is inconsistent with much of common law. A man taking contraband drugs is doing something to his own body, but it has been condemned for a few centuries due to the ancillary crime that follows drug use (theft, violence, indigence.)

    A similar precept underlies the criminality of reckless behavior, speeding, and nuisance laws like disturbing the piece. The autonomy of one's body is not singular enough as a concept in legality for it to be the deciding factor in many crimes.

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    Prostitution has hardly been universally proscribed. Regulated at some times and in some places--as has marriage--but rarely banned outright.

    A few articles on the subject in the ancient world:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...stitution.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...ancient.Greece

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I don't think it's rocket science. Prostitution is perceived as an inherent threat to the status quo, to monogamous unions, and the rights of inheritance. That's all in addition to the social mores. Of course, the potential for bastard children is not present when one is referring to male prostitution.

    The suggestion that ownership of a body is in some way any mitigation for social taboos is inconsistent with much of common law. A man taking contraband drugs is doing something to his own body, but it has been condemned for a few centuries due to the ancillary crime that follows drug use (theft, violence, indigence.)

    A similar precept underlies the criminality of reckless behavior, speeding, and nuisance laws like disturbing the piece. The autonomy of one's body is not singular enough as a concept in legality for it to be the deciding factor in many crimes.
    Over 90% of the crime connected to drug use is generated by the illegality of it, not because of the drugs. If we'd abandon the Puritan streak, crime would plunge.

    As for self-ownership not being a significant factor in our laws, that's one of the problems with our laws -- they're often based on the unstated assumption that some people own others.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I actually watched a documentary on Netflix this past weekend about this topic. It's called "After Porn Ends"...was a pretty stark depiction of the adult entertainment industry and why people bailed (or returned). Several porn stars embraced their past, some were repulsed by it. The general theory is that porn attracts inherently 'broken' people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    I actually watched a documentary on Netflix this past weekend about this topic. It's called "After Porn Ends"...was a pretty stark depiction of the adult entertainment industry and why people bailed (or returned). Several porn stars embraced their past, some were repulsed by it. The general theory is that porn attracts inherently 'broken' people.
    I understand that theory, but I've met enough people in porn who don't fit it to conclude that it isn't complete.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post

    I'd love to do it now, but couldn't: starting porn at 19 or 24 is a youthful adventure; starting porn at 38 when you have a real career looks like a mid-life crisis.
    I beleieve pornography can be a "real" career. So if you're questioning that, i'd have to disagree. To me, people who use the word "real", in that fashion fashion, downplay porn. In my opinion, it isn't something doomed to be nothing more than a "side-gig", or 2nd class employment, fated for abandonment.

    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post

    I've always thought my actions completely ethical--honest and forthright--no less as a whore than in any other endeavor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I've never understood the issue. A person owns himself, and that means he owns his body. If he wants to rent it or sell it, what's the big deal? Most of the population gets their income by renting their bodies or minds or both; this is just another form of that.
    To me, claiming prostitution is ethical would be incorrect. Prostitution is a crime, and anyone who does it, technically, would be a career criminal. So, to compare a crime, to selling yourself as a bookkeeper, for 40 hours. weekly, would be odd. Bookkeeping isn't a misdemeanor offense.

    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post

    I've never understood why getting paid for sex was in any way wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Over 90% of the crime connected to drug use is generated by the illegality of it, not because of the drugs. If we'd abandon the Puritan streak, crime would plunge.
    On a recreational level, sleeping with a prostitute can be fun, but, from an objective standpoint, many things can be noted. I don't mind prostitution, and in the past, have attempted to patronize a prostitute, but it won't ever be widely accepted for numerous reasons. To be honest, I'm not surprised, nor am i disconnected with peoples concerns.

    These are concerns i've noticed, some of which have been noted:

    To some, like drugs, being heavily involved in one criminal activity could lead to others. It may be a doorway. For prostitutes, who, for economic reasons, work, without any enjoyment, or other incentive, they can be willing to get into darker things like theft, drugs, and human trafficing.

    The argument that prostitutes only hurt themselves is one thing, however, morally, if at all, i'm sure, friends and family members mourn, if they have concerns. Due to the work, they'd take a psychological and emotional hit.

    Even though, jobs that are more conventional, can leave a person open to health issues, such as high blood pressure, statistically, i'm sure, the magnitude of dangers a prostitute faces daily, will outweigh consequences of other work. That may stir those who care about them, and, in turn, "hurt" them.

    Also, the argument that legalizing prostitution would aid it's control, to some, is false. Some view it's legalization as an expansion. Pimps, and people who earn money from their services would be universally legitimized, and the industry would flourish. For prostitutes who hate their work, and are exploited by people of that nature, it'd be devastating. There would be more confidence in cultivating those exploits, and all other criminal acts that stem from that line of work, could flourish.

    In an un-conventional way, being a madame, pimp or person who benefits from sex workers, may be an effort that "technically" involves business skills, however, those efforts, because of everything mentioned, may always be frowned upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pcp3t3 View Post
    To me, claiming prostitution is ethical would be incorrect. Prostitution is a crime, and anyone who does it, technically, would be a career criminal. So, to compare a crime, to selling yourself as a bookkeeper, for 40 hours. weekly, would be odd. Bookkeeping isn't a misdemeanor offense.
    On what grounds is it a crime? If a law against prostitution is legitimate, so is a law against adultery, or one against anal sex, or against inter-'racial' sex, or even against pre-marital sex... or against gay marriage or even same-sex cohabitation.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Promiscuity and prostitution may not be morally wrong, but understand there are risks involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pcp3t3 View Post
    On a recreational level, sleeping with a prostitute can be fun, but, from an objective standpoint, many things can be noted. I don't mind prostitution, and in the past, have attempted to patronize a prostitute, but it won't ever be widely accepted for numerous reasons. To be honest, I'm not surprised, nor am i disconnected with peoples concerns.

    These are concerns i've noticed, some of which have been noted:

    To some, like drugs, being heavily involved in one criminal activity could lead to others. It may be a doorway. For prostitutes, who, for economic reasons, work, without any enjoyment, or other incentive, they can be willing to get into darker things like theft, drugs, and human trafficing.

    The argument that prostitutes only hurt themselves is one thing, however, morally, if at all, i'm sure, friends and family members mourn, if they have concerns. Due to the work, they'd take a psychological and emotional hit.
    On what grounds is drug use a crime? If the government can decide drugs are illegal, they can make anything at all illegal -- sugar, lemons, skydiving....

    Quote Originally Posted by Pcp3t3 View Post
    Even though, jobs that are more conventional, can leave a person open to health issues, such as high blood pressure, statistically, i'm sure, the magnitude of dangers a prostitute faces daily, will outweigh consequences of other work. That may stir those who care about them, and, in turn, "hurt" them.
    A prostitute faces dangers daily because it has been made a crime. That means that they can't take any measures to protect themselves, because those would draw attention to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pcp3t3 View Post
    Also, the argument that legalizing prostitution would aid it's control, to some, is false. Some view it's legalization as an expansion. Pimps, and people who earn money from their services would be universally legitimized, and the industry would flourish. For prostitutes who hate their work, and are exploited by people of that nature, it'd be devastating. There would be more confidence in cultivating those exploits, and all other criminal acts that stem from that line of work, could flourish.
    How would pimps be legitimized? Prostitution under a pimp is human trafficking and, if the prostitute doesn't have a choice, involuntary servitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pcp3t3 View Post
    In an un-conventional way, being a madame, pimp or person who benefits from sex workers, may be an effort that "technically" involves business skills, however, those efforts, because of everything mentioned, may always be frowned upon.
    A pimp almost by definition is a slave master. With prostitution legalized, pimps would automatically become unemployed, because the prostitutes wouldn't need a "protector". A madame, OTOH, tends to be far more a business manager who takes a cut because of her organizing skills and providing a place to work.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Promiscuity and prostitution may not be morally wrong, but understand there are risks involved.
    With prostitution, most of the risks are due to it being illegal.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Why not look up interviews with past porn stars...I believe the Sword does something called an exit interview? Who are we to say what someone feels about their past profession?

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    People fail to distinguish among female, gay male, and straight male porn and among prostitutes, call girls, gay escorts and gay street hustlers. Obviously there rare huge differences among them. I will not attempt to define all those. But a woman who becomes a prostitute is, I think, unlikely to be able to return to a respected heterosexual life as mother and wife.
    A gay escort does not impair his later life as an openly get man, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    With prostitution, most of the risks are due to it being illegal.
    I do not look down upon prostitution at all. It should be legal. But it is untrue to say it is risk free, and promiscuity is a detriment to public health. HIV and HPV are potentially lethal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I do not look down upon prostitution at all. It should be legal. But it is untrue to say it is risk free, and promiscuity is a detriment to public health. HIV and HPV are potentially lethal.
    Legalize it, and most of the risks will vanish.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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