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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Also, millions of people who could not get insurance before can get it now. Damn that ACA!
    And they're getting better insurance and insurance that works. The premiums they pay are actually buying policies that pay for things, instead of handing over money to insurance companies who sell you junk.

    Why buy a car that doesn't run? Why buy a refrigerator that doesn't keep your food cold? Why buy junk insurance that doesn't cover anything?

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    ^^

    People have a right to buy what they want. Who give you of anyone the right to say what a person can buy or not buy.

    It sounds like you and some of the others do not believe in individual rights and freedom.



    Why buy an insurance policy that covers pregnancy when you are genetically unable to give birth. Wasted money.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    People have a right to buy what they want. Who give you of anyone the right to say what a person can buy or not buy.

    It sounds like you and some of the others do not believe in individual rights and freedom.



    Why buy an insurance policy that covers pregnancy when you are genetically unable to give birth. Wasted money.
    You just keep repeating the same thing over and over. No one is going to change your mind and you certainly aren't going to change other minds. It seems the majority agree there is much needed improvement in the ACA, and that is expected even if the roll out had been smooth.
    You offer nothing of value to repairing and improving the ACA now or in the future and I get the picture .
    It does no good to try and explain that insurance is a shared risk and just like a woman is never going to need coverage for testicular cancer its in many group polices like maternity care. Did you ever work in a job with benefits and had a real health plan? One you read what it covered and what it didn't? Did you ever have a private policy and read what it covered and didn't?
    What you offer is the same view as the tea baggers have about taxes. Last week I heard one bitching about why should she have to pay city taxes for expensive fire fighting equipment for the few highrise condo's in the small city when the majority live in homes that are at the most 2 story high. What selfish ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    You just keep repeating the same thing over and over. No one is going to change your mind and you certainly aren't going to change other minds. It seems the majority agree there is much needed improvement in the ACA, and that is expected even if the roll out had been smooth.
    You offer nothing of value to repairing and improving the ACA now or in the future and I get the picture .
    It does no good to try and explain that insurance is a shared risk and just like a woman is never going to need coverage for testicular cancer its in many group polices like maternity care. Did you ever work in a job with benefits and had a real health plan? One you read what it covered and what it didn't? Did you ever have a private policy and read what it covered and didn't?
    What you offer is the same view as the tea baggers have about taxes. Last week I heard one bitching about why should she have to pay city taxes for expensive fire fighting equipment for the few highrise condo's in the small city when the majority live in homes that are at the most 2 story high. What selfish ignorance.
    You're right.

    Why should you pay taxes for schools if you don't have any kids in the school? If you don't smoke, why should you pay for those who do and get lung cancer? Why should my car insurance go up because hurricane Sandy destroyed a lot of cars insured under State Farm? Why should those who live in the western part of the state pay for a floodwall for the people in the eastern part of the state?

    And if we should be able to buy what we want, why can't I buy a nuclear warhead?

    It's selfish ignorance and just plain stupidity we have to deal with.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    But mostly it's brainwashing. I don't believe for a second Jack would care at all about the ACA if his lords and masters - the Coch Brothers - hadn't told him to.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    You just keep repeating the same thing over and over. No one is going to change your mind and you certainly aren't going to change other minds. It seems the majority agree there is much needed improvement in the ACA, and that is expected even if the roll out had been smooth.
    You offer nothing of value to repairing and improving the ACA now or in the future and I get the picture .
    It does no good to try and explain that insurance is a shared risk and just like a woman is never going to need coverage for testicular cancer its in many group polices like maternity care. Did you ever work in a job with benefits and had a real health plan? One you read what it covered and what it didn't? Did you ever have a private policy and read what it covered and didn't?
    What you offer is the same view as the tea baggers have about taxes. Last week I heard one bitching about why should she have to pay city taxes for expensive fire fighting equipment for the few highrise condo's in the small city when the majority live in homes that are at the most 2 story high. What selfish ignorance.
    I repeat the same thing because many in here are hard headed and cannot say, 'yes, President Obama lied to the American people about being able to keep their insurance and doctor'. Obama even sorta said he lied -- but blamed his lie on the insurance industry. The same group that meet privately with him to design the basics of the PPACA.

    Can you say the President lied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    But mostly it's brainwashing. I don't believe for a second Jack would care at all about the ACA if his lords and masters - the Coch Brothers - hadn't told him to.
    I had never heard of the Koch brothers until I heard about them here in CEP. I don't follow what they say -- I don't even know if they have a web site.

    Can you say the same thing about Media Matters and George Soros?

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I take it you have not been paying attention to the PPACA rollout.

    Here's just a few things you've been missing:

    - The web site doesn't work and is not secure.
    - Obama has been lying since 2008 that his insurance plan would allow people to keep their insurance and their choice of doctor.
    - Insurance rates have soared for many people.
    - Obamacare doesn't allow people to have catastrophic insurance -- a choice many people want.
    - No one read the bill when it was passed -- old news but still important.
    Fine tuning. Point I made is that similar systems work elsewhere. And they work well.
    Need to stop looking so narrowly at the things you disagree with and acknowledge that there are precedents that work outside the US.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I had never heard of the Koch brothers until I heard about them here in CEP. I don't follow what they say -- I don't even know if they have a web site.

    Can you say the same thing about Media Matters and George Soros?
    Now you know who your puppet masters are.
    And you thought you were an independent thinker

    Performances like the CMA ones however aren't a whole lot different than savvy urban comedians on MTV calling Bush voters racists or hicks. So I guess there is a balance
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    Fine tuning. Point I made is that similar systems work elsewhere. And they work well.
    Need to stop looking so narrowly at the things you disagree with and acknowledge that there are precedents that work outside the US.
    The point is that they are not working here.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't even know if [the Koch brothers] have a web site.
    They have lots of websites.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The point is that they are not working here.
    At the one month mark, only a fool would expect any radical overhaul for multiple entities to be seamless.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    At the one month mark, only a fool would expect any radical overhaul for multiple entities to be seamless.
    The government contracts for computer programming in lots of different contexts that often involve multiple entities. Is the “one month rule” a general standard?


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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I had never heard of the Koch brothers until I heard about them here in CEP. I don't follow what they say -- I don't even know if they have a web site.

    Can you say the same thing about Media Matters and George Soros?
    Most of the people in the Tea Party movement had never heard of the Koch brothers, either, despite the fact that the primary funding for many Tea Party activities came from them.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The point is that they are not working here.
    They haven't been tried, for the most part.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I had never heard of the Koch brothers until I heard about them here in CEP. I don't follow what they say -- I don't even know if they have a web site.

    Can you say the same thing about Media Matters and George Soros?
    I can, because I have not once read a single word by either. Actually, I almost never read any sites, other than a few blogs which follow events and tend to report them without spinning in either direction.

    And that you hadn't heard of the Koch brothers until coming to CE&P tells a sad satirical story of your life and political views. Of course you wouldn't follow what they say. They never say it themselves. They have the Republican party say it for them.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The point is that they are not working here.
    They haven't happened here yet. And it's really hard to implement any positive change when one half of the political power of the country is brainlessly dedicated to opposing your every move, regardless of what it actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I can, because I have not once read a single word by either. Actually, I almost never read any sites, other than a few blogs which follow events and tend to report them without spinning in either direction.

    And that you hadn't heard of the Koch brothers until coming to CE&P tells a sad satirical story of your life and political views. Of course you wouldn't follow what they say. They never say it themselves. They have the Republican party say it for them.
    If you don't read anything else ... how do you know about the Koch brothers, Media Matters, George Soros or anyone else.

    Vast right wing conspiracy wackos.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    ... and yet people here don't want to acknowledge that the Obama lied.

    I hope you're at least truthful to yourselves.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ... and yet people here don't want to acknowledge that the Obama lied.

    I hope you're at least truthful to yourselves.
    So the other team are bastions of truthfulness now? Interesting. Where are those WMDs that were used to justify a certain war...?
    How many ACAs could that war have funded by now I wonder?
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    ^^^

    DITTO:

    ... and yet people here don't want to acknowledge that the Obama lied.

    I hope you're at least truthful to yourselves.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    DITTO:

    ... and yet people here don't want to acknowledge that the Obama lied.

    I hope you're at least truthful to yourselves.
    THe problem here is not that people don't want to admit that Obama lied, but that you use lies and distortions on a regular basis to attack Obama, and virtually never recognize or admit what you're really up to, that people aren't willing to give you any ground AT ALL.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ... and yet people here don't want to acknowledge that the Obama lied.
    It's not that we "don't want to acknowledge that Obama lied." It's that we don't believe his statements on the ACA meet the test of deliberate deception (aka "lying"). A small number of people who have useless health "insurance" policies and who are being ripped off by the insurance industry will be forced to get actual health insurance. These people were never actually covered for anything. They are victims of insurance fraud. It is difficult to understand why any of these people would want to continue being cheated, but people are strange. While it is true that the president did not explicitly state that worthless policies would not be tolerated under Obamacare, that should go without saying. Of course Obamacare will not permit fraud. What the president has said about the ACA is fundamentally correct - that is most emphatically not lying.

    This is not like a president lying about his reasons for attacking another country unprovoked. This is not like a president lying about a trillion dollar war paying for itself. This is not like a president lying about Iraq participating in the 911 attacks. Those were all deliberate deceptions - attempts by Bush to promote his agenda by deceiving the public. GWB lied about almost everything, and blatantly. That did not bother you. But, Obama tells the truth and you castigate him because it is possible to find rare exceptions to the general truth of his words.

    If Obama were to say "the Earth is round" you Republicans would insist he was lying because it is not a perfect sphere.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Why is all this "Obama lied" talk going on here in the Underwood / Paisley thread when Springer already started a thread about it? How many more threads will be discussing this topic?

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

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    We finally agree, the right wing are conspiratorial wackos.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Why is all this "Obama lied" talk going on here in the Underwood / Paisley thread when Springer already started a thread about it? How many more threads will be discussing this topic?
    Because Jack will join in to mock Obama any chance he gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Why is all this "Obama lied" talk going on here in the Underwood / Paisley thread when Springer already started a thread about it? How many more threads will be discussing this topic?
    Your attempt to taint Brad Paisley with a racist brush didn't work. Now your trying to turn the thread against me -- one of your typical ploys instead of addressing the topic of the thread.

    Underwood and Paisley were making fun of Obama and his not ready for primetime healthcare.gov web site. The web site was and still is a joke. The inability to realize that a web site was not ready and shove it down the throats of Americans might give you (which I doubt) a prime opportunity to see how inept the Obama Administration really is in governing.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Jack, are you responsible for hijacking this thread? It is about Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley making fun of the ACA. You've covered this topic in other threads. Let's get back to Carrie and Brad.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The web site was and still is a joke. The inability to realize that a web site was not ready and shove it down the throats of Americans might give you (which I doubt) a prime opportunity to see how inept the Obama Administration really is in governing.
    ...and you Republicans are helping to fix the mess how?

    Your entire "contribution" to solving the health care problem in America has been to try to stop Americans from buying health insurance, and to cheer when they have failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post

    ...and you Republicans are helping to fix the mess how?

    Your entire "contribution" to solving the health care problem in America has been to try to stop Americans from buying health insurance, and to cheer when they have failed.
    Yeah it's a little bit of a bad taste to be that loud and obnoxious about the administration's perceived failures when your party has been offering a steaming pile of nothing for years now.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Your attempt to taint Brad Paisley with a racist brush didn't work. Now your trying to turn the thread against me -- one of your typical ploys instead of addressing the topic of the thread.

    Underwood and Paisley were making fun of Obama and his not ready for primetime healthcare.gov web site. The web site was and still is a joke. The inability to realize that a web site was not ready and shove it down the throats of Americans might give you (which I doubt) a prime opportunity to see how inept the Obama Administration really is in governing.
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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I repeat the same thing because many in here are hard headed and cannot say, 'yes, President Obama lied to the American people about being able to keep their insurance and doctor'. Obama even sorta said he lied -- but blamed his lie on the insurance industry. The same group that meet privately with him to design the basics of the PPACA.

    Can you say the President lied?
    I already said I don't think it was very smart thing to say in the first place. I don't know why he said it other than to try and move things forward. It wasn't a lie but it wasn't complete. He did omit a very important part of the statement. Of course that is you can keep your private for profit corporate health insurance and the providers it covers as long as the private for profit insurance company or the policy holder (business, organization, individual) doesn't change companies, polices, or conditions. As any person who has ever had health insurance knows these policies change and group polices change all the times . Its not rare , its not unusual, and its not new to Oct 2013.
    President Obama was out of line not to present this fact for the knuckle heads which apparently never had a group or private policy, as well as don't seem to have a clue how private greedy health insurance companies operate. Most people are ignorant of what exactly their health policy has at work until they need it. Then they grimace and go "WTF". Even if they have coverage and the company renews the group policy changes yearly what was covered last year may not be this year, but few read that boring print they get as a employee.

    Another problem it's true that many polices are being dropped in the 20% I understand that are not covered by group or grand fathered polices because they are junk polices. The type of policy cracker red neck states would sell and a important part of why Republicans want to be able to shop policies across state borders. You can bet that backwater hell holes like Louisiana and South Carolina will be taking in the bucks on cheap worthless bullshit selling to those in states with more stringent requirements and real coverage.

    President Obama really got over his head thinking that for profit health insurance companies wouldn't drop private plans as soon as they could because they didn't offer any true insurance care. He shouldn't have spoken for what the private sector would do.

    The cost of quality plans is a good idea however there is problems if you can't afford it. I recognize this. If you are making 22 - 28 K a yr even a subsidy will not be enough for what most will have to come up with.

    I think another major problem is just because you have a better policy on paper and are paying for it doesn't mean it will be any sort of cake walk because again of the greed of the insurance company. My plan is pretty excellent on paper but they fuck with me all the time. Losing claims even when faxes several times, denying coverage which causes appeals and a grievance with their ombudsman program. The goal is to hope you get tired and don't fight it because they can play the game for years. In the mean time the provider will come back to the patient and try and get the money stating we submitted this to your insurance but can't get them to pay and you are responsible. It happens all the time.
    They will continue to use every trick in the book not to pay claims and deny or hold up pay out as long as possible while collecting the premiums.

    So Jack I answered your question unlike your typical post where you will parrot the same thing over and over. I have no problem not agreeing with the President however I have a problem when its obvious there are extremely important decisions to make regarding helath care for everyone not just the Dick Head Chennys who can buy hearts as needed without worrying about bouncing a check.

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    ^^

    ... and yet with all that verbiage you can't say simply that Obama lied. No one forced Obama to make up his lies. He did it on his own. The insurance companies didn't force Obama to lie.

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Yeah, because he is a petty little thug. And he likes lying. He also hates people, America and happiness.

    Your posts are a joke. That's why nobody is giving you anything here or in any other thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    The government contracts for computer programming in lots of different contexts that often involve multiple entities. Is the “one month rule” a general standard?

    I have real world experience with government IT website rollouts. I am not one bit surprised that the rollout was less than perfect. In my last year of employment before retiring from the federal government, I lived through the testing, pullback, and delay of a new procurement IT program designed to make our work easier. I retired before it was ever implmented.

    Because of this experience, I am not one bit surpised at the problems with the ACA rollout. Development of all possible parameters, let alone writing and testing all the code that must accompany such an effort, was a herculean effort at my former Agency. And, this was with the contactor using an already developed generic procurement program as the basis to develop a specific-Agency-wide procurement program.

    Good or bad, the ACA is the law of the land. Can you imagine how successful it could be if everyone stopped bitching about it and just worked together? I know, I live in fantasy land.
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    ^^

    No large US company would have ever rolled-out the healthcare.gov web site.

    There was very little if any testing -- Kitty Kat and others won't really tell us how much testing there was before Oct. 1.

    It's embarrassing to the US around the world to be exposed this way -- inept, unprepared, lying before and after the site went on line. I understand the site still claims that you can keep your insurance if you like it.

    Well, if we listen to many of the posters here in CEP the PPACA is a holy law and cannot be changed.

    If you're in IT and kicked off a site like Obamacare -- I doubt you would still have your job.

    You win the Rodney King award for the day.

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    Yeah, because he is a petty little thug. And he likes lying. He also hates people, America and happiness.

    Your posts are a joke. That's why nobody is giving you anything here or in any other thread.
    I wait spellbound with excitement to read everyone of your new posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    No large US company would have ever rolled-out the healthcare.gov web site. Right you are--only the Government rolls out government websites. Aren't you the Rhodes Scholar! You go girl!
    There was very little if any testing -- Kitty Kat and others won't really tell us how much testing there was before Oct. 1. Your statement contradicts itself, like so many others in so many threads. Which is it? Testing or no testing? Please provide the link that verifies your claim.
    It's embarrassing to the US around the world to be exposed this way -- inept, unprepared, lying before and after the site went on line. I understand the site still claims that you can keep your insurance if you like it. You may wish to look at some facts as to the robustness of other similar website rollouts--Massachusetts, eh? Oh that's right, let's not introduce facts into your continued fallacies.

    Well, if we listen to many of the posters here in CEP the PPACA is a holy law and cannot be changed. I'm not sure about the "holy" part, but you are correct, it is the law. Any like other laws, it can be tweaked, amended, changed. Civics 101.
    If you're in IT and kicked off a site like Obamacare -- I doubt you would still have your job. This makes no sense given the fact that the site was created by contractor IT folks and then "kicked off" by the U.S. Government. All involved, as well as others now helping to make the site fixes, are gainfully employed.
    You win the Rodney King award for the day. Thanks, I think?
    Keep posting Mr. Springer--you continue to make your case...whatever it is.

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    ^^^

    As Bob would say, you're embarrassing yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    As Bob would say, you're embarrassing yourself.
    Yes, Mr. Springer, I am embarrassed...for you.

    Please continue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    And they're getting better insurance and insurance that works. The premiums they pay are actually buying policies that pay for things, instead of handing over money to insurance companies who sell you junk.

    Why buy a car that doesn't run? Why buy a refrigerator that doesn't keep your food cold? Why buy junk insurance that doesn't cover anything?
    Quote already replied to before, but kept in here to hopefully clear the queue. I don't know why previously-replied-to quotes keep coming up, when there is no check on the multiquote icon either??

    However, this quote is still suitable to my comments below.

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    My plan is pretty excellent on paper but they fuck with me all the time. Losing claims even when faxes several times, denying coverage which causes appeals and a grievance with their ombudsman program. The goal is to hope you get tired and don't fight it because they can play the game for years. In the mean time the provider will come back to the patient and try and get the money stating we submitted this to your insurance but can't get them to pay and you are responsible. It happens all the time. They will continue to use every trick in the book not to pay claims and deny or hold up pay out as long as possible while collecting the premiums.
    That shit happened to me. The first time I actually got sick under my former policy (in 2003), I was in for a rude awakening when I found out what little they would pay for...and, of course, having had cancer at that point, I COULD NOT shop for better insurance under any circumstances. I was still stuck with the same fucked-up policy until I finally reached the age for Medicare only last year.

    Initially the insurance company REFUSED the entire claim, claiming there were no details in the paperwork. I had to get them re-sent from the hospital THREE TIMES before the insurance company finally admitted they now had the details and could work on my claim. IT IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THEIR STALL TACTICS...they want to hold on to claims money so they can instead invest it in the derivatives gambling casino for those months, or something.

    They finally paid the claim (well, just over $12,000 on what was a total of more than $26,000) more than FIVE MONTHS after the claims. Yes, I had to pay about $14,000 out of my own pocket, after already paying more than $6,000 a year (at the time) for insurance premiums - as a nonsmoker who has almost never been sick in my entire adult lifetime.

    My bill was very close to going to COLLECTION (well, the hospital part - which was the largest part, by far), which would have no doubt added another $5 or $10K to the owed total, and of course an insurance company will NEVER pay for THAT. This particular hospital has been known to put liens on properties, etc., to make sure their bills are paid. Because I wasn't willing to just go and pay the whole thing - then, maybe, never get ANYTHING paid by the insurance - my waiting put the balance of the bill, and perhaps even my home, at risk.

    I was also concerned that the insurance would drop me because I was no longer "insurable." Actually, I would have been a lot better off if they had, but I couldn't know that at the time. The premiums kept going up. After the hospitalization/surgery in 2003, up to my enrollment in Medicare, I paid that same insurance company at least $70,000 more in premiums. In return, I think they paid for about $3,000 more of medical care over that period.

    "Obamacare" requires that 80% of insurance company revenues must be spent on actual reimbursements for health care - and rescission (DROPPING a policy because somebody happens to actually need the insurance) becomes ILLEGAL.

    What was paid for or not paid for, seemed to be entirely ARBITRARY and capricious on the insurance company's part. Nothing in the paperwork told me that I had junk insurance - which, again, COULD NOT BE CHANGED FOR ANY REASON because the cancer ("pre-existing condition") made it thoroughly impossible to shop around and change the insurance for any reason.

    I was told of only one option which did indeed exist - some kind of high risk pool in Illinois - but instead of paying $6,000+ per year, it would have been $13,000 or $17,000 or something. I forget the amount.

    I still don't know how well my insurance would have paid if I had needed catastrophic care from metastasis, perhaps involving chemo, radiation, more surgery, etc. I probably would have lost my home, my business, everything...
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    ^^^^ but.......benghazi......

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    ^ No, you've gotta say it louder. (Thank you for the comment, too.)

    BENGHAZI!! FOUR DEAD AMERICANS!!
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    "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." Barack Obama (from the book 'Double Down')

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    So anyway, those country singers.

    Bet they blew each other after the show (no sexin') before shootin' themselves some illegals.
    Just tryin' to protect those insurance premiums

    Freedom!
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Carrie Underwood & Brad Paisley mock Obamacare at CMAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." Barack Obama (from the book 'Double Down')
    How about this turn of your "quote' above:

    "Turns out I'm really good at posting stupid". Jack Springer (from the JUB Website).

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