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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Medic is well aware of that fact but Xanax also contributes to better sleep patterns....by reducing anxiety.

    A physician will ensure that he weans a patient off Xanax dependency ....slowly.
    If you are suggesting I am an addict, that is incorrect. I was on a month's supply of it and then they refused to refill it. No side effects ever came from me taking it. I took Xanax most of my teen years and never had any problems and was energetic, slept better and didn't have any anxiety.

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    But,do you know how to handle them? From your posting history it would seem not,as for Xanax it is used as a sleeping aid,Diazepam is more than likely the drug prescribed for anxiety. And even then for as short a period as possible.
    Your reply to my post would suggest that you do not know how to "handle" your emotions without some sort of counseling.
    They put me on Xanax for anxiety, not for sleeping. Sleeping is not the issue at hand. If I reply a little different than most, it's because I am "different". I'll let you figure that one out. I don't need counseling for social issues, I don't need people telling me what to say and how to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    If you are suggesting I am an addict, that is incorrect. I was on a month's supply of it and then they refused to refill it. No side effects ever came from me taking it. I took Xanax most of my teen years and never had any problems and was energetic, slept better and didn't have any anxiety.
    Thank you for proven my point.The reason why Drs slowly lower doses of certain drugs over a period of time is to avert the possibility of seizures.
    You seem to think we are attacking you,when we are trying to offer some other options that may be beneficial to your health.
    Diazepam is one of the main medications used here for anxiety,but for as short a time as possible.
    Please try to stop being so defensive and trying to blame others for your woes. My suggestion would be to look closer to home.
    Everyone needs guidance and advice through their emotional lows and highs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    They put me on Xanax for anxiety, not for sleeping. Sleeping is not the issue at hand. If I reply a little different than most, it's because I am "different". I'll let you figure that one out. I don't need counseling for social issues, I don't need people telling me what to say and how to think.
    Talk about serendipity,you make a thread about anti-social and odd behaviour,yet you are displaying all of those things in your angry retorts.
    Therapists Do not tell you what to say and think,they offer you other options that you may want to consider.
    Honestly,we are trying to give you some sound advice,we are all different,you are like the child who crys wolf,as time goes by,you will find that many members will no longer be willing to give of their time and empathy.
    As for letting me figure it out,i think i already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Thank you for proven my point.The reason why Drs slowly lower doses of certain drugs over a period of time is to avert the possibility of seizures.
    You seem to think we are attacking you,when we are trying to offer some other options that may be beneficial to your health.
    Diazepam is one of the main medications used here for anxiety,but for as short a time as possible.
    Please try to stop being so defensive and trying to blame others for your woes. My suggestion would be to look closer to home.
    Everyone needs guidance and advice through their emotional lows and highs.
    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Talk about serendipity,you make a thread about anti-social and odd behaviour,yet you are displaying all of those things in your angry retorts.
    Therapists Do not tell you what to say and think,they offer you other options that you may want to consider.
    Honestly,we are trying to give you some sound advice,we are all different,you are like the child who crys wolf,as time goes by,you will find that many members will no longer be willing to give of their time and empathy.
    As for letting me figure it out,i think i already have.
    I can't be put on Diazepam unless the doctor says it's ok and if she thinks I need it, and I was completely taken off Xanax with no sign of being put back on it. Xanax saved me from a really bad panic attack once that caused me to violently shake all over, so I don't completely understand why I can't have it again according to her. I do appreciate the help, I really do, but I can't just be put on any medicine I please or get help when I need it, it just doesn't work like that, as least not around here. I have no clue what or whom you think I am blaming, and if I take things a little personal, I am truly sorry. I am going to disregard your last post however, I am not going to waste my energy anymore on trying to get you to understand my viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be put on Diazepam unless the doctor says it's ok and if she thinks I need it, and I was completely taken off Xanax with no sign of being put back on it. Xanax saved me from a really bad panic attack once that caused me to violently shake all over, so I don't completely understand why I can't have it again according to her. I do appreciate the help, I really do, but I can't just be put on any medicine I please or get help when I need it, it just doesn't work like that, as least not around here. I have no clue what or whom you think I am blaming, and if I take things a little personal, I am truly sorry. I am going to disregard your last post however, I am not going to waste my energy anymore on trying to get you to understand my viewpoint.
    ^See right there is your problem,when you post such a response,when all we are doing is offering yourself differing options.
    I am certain that if you explained to your Dr as eloquently as you have here how you feel,she will have some other suggestions for you.
    Including therapy. You seem to have both a psychological and physical need for Xanax,I do understand your frustration,otherwise i would not be given you my time and energy in responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Who doesn't want to fit in?
    Most people want to fit in, but if they don't fit in with a specific group or individual they keep looking instead of trying to push those not interested to accept them.

    I am usually lenient and let people come to me nowadays.
    Bullshit. If this truly were the case you wouldn't have posted this thread looking for advice that you don't even accept. What you really want is for people to just accept what you have to say and immediately agree with your opinion. You aren't interested in the truth.

    It's just with certain people that I have an issue with when they ignore me or act shady towards me.
    Translation: I want yes men who will agree with everything I have to say. Those who don't are mistreating me and not respecting me as a person. Poor me, I'm surrounded by people who wont accept ME.

    I don't obsess over it, but I will admit I do get upset about that but who wouldn't?
    Again, bullshit. You do obsess over it or you wouldn't have started a thread to ask what is wrong with everyone else that they don't just accept your way of thinking.

    I just don't want to be blamed for being like that, like "how dare he?" when everyone else would be upset about it too.
    Everyone else might be upset about being ignored, but they don't go around blaming others, they just get on with their lives and find friends elsewhere.


    I don't expect you to really understand.
    If you don't expect anyone to understand why did you post this thread in the first place? Deep down you know you have issues, but on the surface you are not yet ready to admit much of it is in your own head and of your own making. Until you come to accept the truth of this you will no chance of actually dealing with it.

    As long as you're not one of those who comes onto people's threads and tries to stir up drama for some unknown reason to get everyone fought up.
    Translation: As long as you tell me what I want to hear you're cool.... Otherwise I'll consider you a troublemaker so I don't have to listen to your ideas.



    That's quite a long stretch to assume about someone you don't even know anything about. You don't know me, my thoughts, my feelings, my intentions, my desires, my heartache, my life for that matter. You don't know what's happened to me to make me the way I am, or what I'm not.
    No it isn't. You have posted enough that we all know enough to understand that. You have shared your thoughts, your feelings, and intentions and have shown more than you intended to ****** We have gotten a look at the truth behind the walls you have put up to deceive. We know enough and have offered sound advice that you refuse to hear. You remind me a bit of my partner when I first met him. He had issues he needed to work through just like you. You talk about how we can't understand your heartache and your life... Let me share with you a bit of his. He was physically and sexually abused by his own mother. His own MOTHER! When he was 13 he finally got away from her and nearly died on the streets with nowhere to go and serious damage to his internal organs leftover from "life" with dear old Mommy. In fact, that is how we met. I found him practically dead in a gutter, his Mom didn't even care to look for him when he went missing. It has been 15 years and he's been able to leave the worst of it back in history. I don't know exactly what trials you've had to face, but its time you stop pushing the responsibility off on others and honestly looked yourself in the mirror. Things will NOT get better until YOU start making them better.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be blamed for everyone's problems with me, whether they be real or perceived, that's just unrealistic and quite arrogant of the other parties.
    You are quite confused there, you have it backwards. Everyone can't be blamed for your problems with them, especially since they are not real, only perceived. That's just unrealistic and quite arrogant of you.

    I can and will take responsibility for things I brought on myself
    There's no time like the present to start.

    but I will not carry the weight of the other people who were too immature, vain and stuck in their own worlds to even get to know and understand me.
    You don't have to. But don't expect the world to carry your weight when you are too immature, vain and stuck in your own world to get to know and understand them.

    You see? The problem is with you and your perceptions.... You've been looking in the mirror and seeing the issues, but have gotten it confused and think you've been looking out the window.

    We're all here willing to help you, as soon as you open your eyes and see the truth. Don't expect us to waste our time trying to get you to the truth if you are unwilling to accept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^See right there is your problem,when you post such a response,when all we are doing is offering yourself differing options.
    I am certain that if you explained to your Dr as eloquently as you have here how you feel,she will have some other suggestions for you.
    Including therapy. You seem to have both a psychological and physical need for Xanax,I do understand your frustration,otherwise i would not be given you my time and energy in responding.
    I would love to explain to her if I could get around to seeing her, her office is a long drive away and I usually have no one to take me to my appointments. I was too sick to go last week and this week they cancelled my appointment for some "administrative day" thing. I do not have a dependency on Xanax, it's just the only thing that really helps my anxiety, and I take it as prescribed and nothing more.

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    I'm anti social myself. AMA.
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    There are such things as telephones,why do you not try giving her a call?
    As for,"I do not have a dependency on Xanax,it`s just the only thing that really helps",Denial is not an atypical response.
    Yet again,i do understand what you are saying,i see enough of this in my job. There are other medications out there that may suprise you with their effect on your problems.

    Though it is becoming more obvious that you only want to hear,what you only want to hear.
    I hope that you are able to overcome your problems. However we are now just going round in circles. So i will wish you well and bow out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    If you are suggesting I am an addict, that is incorrect. I was on a month's supply of it and then they refused to refill it. No side effects ever came from me taking it. I took Xanax most of my teen years and never had any problems and was energetic, slept better and didn't have any anxiety.

    A contradiction is noted in your above post.....

    Xanax is addictive....that you confirm that you were on Xanax, for most of your teen years, confirms this.

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    oh...my...goodness, I am just racking my brain right now trying to figure out what it is I can say to get you to understand and get off this train of misunderstanding and misconstruing. I guess I can start with the Xanax thing, which I am not sure why we are still talking about this, I am not even taking that pill anymore. To keep continuing to say I'm addicted to it is quite offensive to me. I was on it from 1999-2006 and from then until just a few short months ago, I wasn't even taking it, so I don't get where the addiction aspect is, if I wasn't on it for those 6+ years and haven't had any for a few months. Let's get off that train, please.

    I don't get why you keep saying I keep pushing people to accept me, have I made it clear that I am just going to ignore those people know and move on? This wasn't even about trying to figure out ME, it never was. I don't see why you, Willie, seem to think you're such an expert on my life and talk like I'm some sort of monster who forces people to do things. My God, how extremely unthoughtful of you. Fine, someone doesn't want to be my friend, I get that, and I will not take it any further than that and obsess over that, I have too much to deal with anyways to deal with strange characters who don't know what to do with their lives. You do not completely know me like I know me, so get that out of your head that you think you understand me and know everything about me. Goodbye to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    A contradiction is noted in your above post.....

    Xanax is addictive....that you confirm that you were on Xanax, for most of your teen years, confirms this.
    I must say this is not a helpful understanding of addiction.

    Would you say that a type-I diabetic is addicted to insulin? To my knowledge, Xanax may be taken indefinitely, with proper medical supervision, for the conditions for which it is prescribed. That is not an example of addiction; in serving to promote some healthful function of the brain, it has continuing value.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    DragonFire, I think this thread is a lesson in how easily online introductions can go astray. I appreciate that it might not be possible for you to go out as much as you would like to meet people, but I do think it is worth recognising that online introductions do have limitations. Perhaps it will make the experience less frustrating to know that under better conditions, it would be easier to connect with people, rather than becoming cynical about the people themselves.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I must say this is not a helpful understanding of addiction.

    Would you say that a type-I diabetic is addicted to insulin? To my knowledge, Xanax may be taken indefinitely, with proper medical supervision, for the conditions for which it is prescribed. That is not an example of addiction; in serving to promote some healthful function of the brain, it has continuing value.
    Thanks for not calling me an addict like he practically did. I was foremost put on Xanax for anxiety and depression. I stopped taking it sometime in 2006 but again was prescribed it this year by my primary doctor, without me ever mentioning Xanax, because of my panic attacks. Why is this so hard for the others to understand? Is something just not clicking here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    oh...my...goodness, I am just racking my brain right now trying to figure out what it is I can say to get you to understand and get off this train of misunderstanding and misconstruing. I guess I can start with the Xanax thing, which I am not sure why we are still talking about this, I am not even taking that pill anymore. To keep continuing to say I'm addicted to it is quite offensive to me. I was on it from 1999-2006 and from then until just a few short months ago, I wasn't even taking it, so I don't get where the addiction aspect is, if I wasn't on it for those 6+ years and haven't had any for a few months. Let's get off that train, please.
    But you brought it up. You whined about being taken off of it. Then you claimed you had only been on it for one month. And to PROVE you weren't addicted you claimed to have been on it for most of your teen years. Classic addict denial. If it weren't an issue you wouldn't care. AND YET YOU DO. And now that you are confronted about the inconsistencies in your story you exhibit classic addict denial.

    I don't get why you keep saying I keep pushing people to accept me, have I made it clear that I am just going to ignore those people know and move on?
    And yet you don't. You keep trying to force us to accept your own lies that you tell yourself. We see through them.

    This wasn't even about trying to figure out ME, it never was.
    Oh, but it is. You opened the door when you created this thread. You posted incorrect info and asked for help. We sought to help you by first correcting your misconceptions. But you don't really want help. You want validation. That is why you aren't going to your therapist. She wont just feed your addiction so you have "no use" for her.

    I don't see why you, Willie, seem to think you're such an expert on my life and talk like I'm some sort of monster who forces people to do things.[/quote]
    I neither said nor implied you were a monster. I just stated, as others have, that you are clingy and needy. That while attempting to "impress" (your word) people you in fact repel them. Funny you should use the word monster..... All of what you are doing is classic addict denial and rationalization. You have a serious problem here and need medical help to overcome it. But you wont even be able to seek the help you need until you can accept the truth - that you do need it.

    My God, how extremely unthoughtful of you.
    Yes, it is extremely unthoughtful of me and the others to try to give you/get you to the help you need by insisting you see the truth right in front of you. All you ever really wanted was to find enablers. How cruel of us that we don't just support your addiction and be simpering little yes men. We started out trying to be gentle. Some of us have moved on to the tough love in an attempt to break down your walls, but you refuse to accept the help you originally asked for, simply because we refuse to bolster up your addict convictions.

    Fine, someone doesn't want to be my friend, I get that,
    No. You don't get it. We are all trying to be your friends. Real friends tell each other the truth, no matter what. We've been wasting our time trying to share with you the facts you need but you refuse to hear. You want what you want, no matter how destructive it is to your own life! I've been down this road with more friends than I care to remember. At least the ones who pulled through have been friends. Its amazing that when they do get their head on straight they appreciate the effort you put in to help them.


    You do not completely know me like I know me, so get that out of your head that you think you understand me and know everything about me. Goodbye to you.
    You are right we don't know YOU. And yet we have been wasting our time trying to help you. I, for one, am through. If you ever get your head on straight and want to talk, or ask advice feel free to drop me a PM and I'll do what I can to help. Otherwise, I don't know you.... And I wasted enough of my time on a stranger who doesn't even want help. Good bye to you, I pray you understand the truth before its too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    DragonFire, I think this thread is a lesson in how easily online introductions can go astray. I appreciate that it might not be possible for you to go out as much as you would like to meet people, but I do think it is worth recognising that online introductions do have limitations. Perhaps it will make the experience less frustrating to know that under better conditions, it would be easier to connect with people, rather than becoming cynical about the people themselves.
    I can see that now, and I do agree with you about the last sentence, it would be easier under better conditions, if only everyone could come to a common ground and not anger-bite each other.

    *sigh*

    Where did this go so wrong that I am now being called a liar, an addict and vain? Is it that easy to just knock at someone anymore without even fully understanding them or even talking to them one-on-one instead of making it public? It's much too easy I think to misinterpret people online, thus how this thread became a mess.

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    ^Welcome to the internet.

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    ^Welcome to the internet.
    Shit, even Hell is better than the internet at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post

    Where did this go so wrong that I am now being called a liar, an addict and vain? Is it that easy to just knock at someone anymore without even fully understanding them or even talking to them one-on-one instead of making it public? It's much too easy I think to misinterpret people online, thus how this thread became a mess.
    Clearly your well documented words on this thread had absolutely nothing to do with several members offering their tailor made advice...advice that you have requested to assist you better understand your responses to your daily challenges interacting with other human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Slightly off topic,no Dr would abruptly stop your script for sleeping aids without a very good reason. Were you taking more than the prescribed dose?
    That's not quite true. Xanax is one of those medications that has been much more heavily regulated than it was previously. I'm on several disability boards, and there's quite a few people who get confused and post asking why their doc took them off this or that medication when it was clearly helping. Xanax is one of those drugs I've been seeing mentioned repetitively. Blame the 'War on Drugs'.

    To the Op, call the social security office and use google (I'd use google first, frankly, that's where I've been finding help) to get out of the house. Getting out of the house would be the first step. And see if you can talk your doc into somthing besides xanax.

    I'd also suggest surfing around and finding other forums that discuss hobbies et cetera where you can participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I must say this is not a helpful understanding of addiction.

    Would you say that a type-I diabetic is addicted to insulin? To my knowledge, Xanax may be taken indefinitely, with proper medical supervision, for the conditions for which it is prescribed. That is not an example of addiction; in serving to promote some healthful function of the brain, it has continuing value.
    Then you should address your obvious depth of knowledge on Xanax to the OPs physician, and ask her why she prescribed Xanax for one month only, replacing it with another drug....perhaps, learning that the OP had been taking Xanax during his entire teen years.

    Xanax is highly addictive and users may abuse the drug for its fast-acting sedating and relaxing effects. The Drug Abuse Warning Network says Xanax is the most abused drug for these reasons. A physiological benzo addiction can begin with as little as two weeks use.

    Mixing Xanax, with any opiate or sleep med is a health hazard, add in alcohol and you have a recipe for complete disaster. You could go into cardiac arrest, sustain organ damage, suffer brain damage from lack of oxygen, and worst case scenario die from mixing those things together.

    Physicians are very well aware of the possible consequences for those who become Xanax dependent.

    Insulin is life sustaining, and not an anti-pyschotic drug whereas, with appropriate therapy such as CBT, the OPs condition can be ameliorated sufficiently for him not to depend on prescription drugs.

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    "Xanax is highly addictive and users may abuse the drug for its fast-acting sedating and relaxing effects. The Drug Abuse Warning Network says Xanax is the most abused drug for these reasons. A physiological benzo addiction can begin with as little as two weeks use."

    If he were abusing the drug he'd be taking way more than needed - and addicts tend to go to the emergency room or their physician and make up lies about how their meds fell down the sink. In other words, it would be noticed.

    Xanax is currently one of the meds under heavier regulation by doctors afraid of getting in trouble for giving out things that are currently under fire in the war on drugs. Makes me happy as hell my pain medication works on nerves and wouldn't be considered a pain medication if it was taken by someone without a nerve problem. That said, it doesn't work completely and some days are a hell of a lot worse than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    "Xanax is highly addictive and users may abuse the drug for its fast-acting sedating and relaxing effects. The Drug Abuse Warning Network says Xanax is the most abused drug for these reasons. A physiological benzo addiction can begin with as little as two weeks use."

    If he were abusing the drug he'd be taking way more than needed - and addicts tend to go to the emergency room or their physician and make up lies about how their meds fell down the sink. In other words, it would be noticed.

    Xanax is currently one of the meds under heavier regulation by doctors afraid of getting in trouble for giving out things that are currently under fire in the war on drugs. Makes me happy as hell my pain medication works on nerves and wouldn't be considered a pain medication if it was taken by someone without a nerve problem. That said, it doesn't work completely and some days are a hell of a lot worse than others.
    From my experience with drug addicts of all varieties, prescription meds, heroin etc. the cunning addict can develop a dependency without it being transparent to their physician......those of us familiar with addicts are able to identify the cleaver addict, most physicians do not....in this particular case the OPs physician removed him from Xanax after 30 days use...a wise decision in view of his admission to using Xanax during his entire teen years.

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    I'm used to addicts - I know whole families of them. The great bulk aren't that cunning. An addict excelates - that's what they do, because the drug becomes less and less affective. The problem is people with disabilities have to up their medication for the same reason - the drug becomes less and less affective as time wears on. When it's deemed damn near useless they ween the person and switch meds or they ween the person off the higher dosage and double the combination, adding a new one to the weened med.

    Except we're not talking about any recent significant length of time here. He was on it for most of his teen years, and he isn't a teen anymore, unless I'm mistaken. Which means he's been off it, though I don't know how long as I have no idea what his age is, which could be a factor. According to him, he'd been on it a month recently and then it was revoked. And it was used as prescribed.

    I could see a physician being leery of putting someone back on xanax after he was recently taken off by another doctor. But his doctor had his previous medical records - and she gave him the xanax anyway. Which means he probably wasn't recently taken off it.

    If he was an addict using recreationaly it would have showed because he was on it for years. At the least there would have been premature suggestions for higher dosages and you'd better believe they'd be written down, whether those higher dosages were prescribed or not. There's a general consensus in the medical field on how to up specific medications when the current dose is no longer affective. As an example, I take 1800 mil. of gabapentin. I was not originally supposed to go up that high this soon, except the next script wasn't covered by my medical - they count pills and not dosage for some damned reason. Bloody fools. Anyway, the doc upped the milligrams but not the number of pills used so my insurance would cover it. My point was his medical records will show whether he was following the dosage instructions or whether he got the er or his physician to give him extra by increasingly complicated lies. I've seen addicts do that. They can't help themselves - anything to get a little more. I'm assuming he's on disability and disability doesn't give anyone enough money to buy that kind of drug off the street in the concentration he'd need for it to be considered recreational. Hell, most places disability isn't even enough to cover rent, I'd be surprised if he had extra cash at all. It's why most of us are on food stamps. And no one is going to give the guy free drugs.
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    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
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    ^We're all speculating, as you correctly remind us....I can only respond to the information provided by the OP...which limits my input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
    We don't have sufficient data on the disablement etc. to be able to reach any conclusion...

    The OP invited participation from the members....with our thoughts...directness, yes rudeness, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Shit, even Hell is better than the internet at times.
    This thread is a good way to develop that tough skin I was telling you about. Hang in there...you are doing fine.

    I don't know if you are an addict or not...as an addict myself it is not my place....

    ...but I can tell you something that you may want to use that comes from being an addict and developing a tough skin...

    "What other people think about me is none of my business"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    We don't have sufficient data on the disablement etc. to be able to reach any conclusion...

    The OP invited participation from the members....with our thoughts...directness, yes rudeness, no.
    Nice try. He asked for help with odd anti-social behavior - not with whether he was an addict or not.
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    Nice try. He asked for help with odd anti-social behavior - not with whether he was an addict or not.
    From a professional angle referencing Xanax dependency is highly pertinent when discussing the OPs well stated symptoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
    As Doctors we are well aware that prescribing certain drugs,like MST,Morphine,Cyclomorphine,Fentanyl and many types of Benzos,can and does cause dependency.
    However as you rightly point out,you have to weigh up what is the best way to treat a patient,whilst realising that the drugs you may prescribe,could lead to what we call here unintentional dependancy. Off topic i know,but a valid point to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    From a professional angle referencing Xanax dependency is highly pertinent when discussing the OPs well stated symptoms.
    Perhaps you've missed the memo - but you can't diagnose someone over the internet. Let alone without their medical records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Perhaps you've missed the memo - but you can't diagnose someone over the internet. Let alone without their medical records.
    Correct...but the information/symptoms supplied by the OP assists us better understand his condition, and offer appropriate advice....per his request....further, that the OPs physician chose to stop his prescription for Xanax after 30 days indicates that she had good reason for so doing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    This thread is a good way to develop that tough skin I was telling you about. Hang in there...you are doing fine.

    I don't know if you are an addict or not...as an addict myself it is not my place....

    ...but I can tell you something that you may want to use that comes from being an addict and developing a tough skin...

    "What other people think about me is none of my business"

    Good Luck!
    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Nice try. He asked for help with odd anti-social behavior - not with whether he was an addict or not.
    Man, I thought I let this thread die? Lois, get the shotgun!!!

    Anyways, I agree with Luckynumbah7, it's been rude and overall damaging to an extent, to continue arguing if I am an addict or not. I don't see how someone can assume that/read that over a computer screen. You either have X-ray eyes or are pretty confident in your arrogant assumptions. I know the truth and I know myself better than anyone, so I will not continue to defend that in which I don't and shouldn't have to. I don't have the thickest skin but I am gradually learning to let it all go. I just don't want to be pushed into having a heart of stone, because I care about people too much to not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Man, I thought I let this thread die? Lois, get the shotgun!!!

    Anyways, I agree with Luckynumbah7, it's been rude and overall damaging to an extent, to continue arguing if I am an addict or not. I don't see how someone can assume that/read that over a computer screen. You either have X-ray eyes or are pretty confident in your arrogant assumptions. I know the truth and I know myself better than anyone, so I will not continue to defend that in which I don't and shouldn't have to. I don't have the thickest skin but I am gradually learning to let it all go. I just don't want to be pushed into having a heart of stone, because I care about people too much to not care.
    To be fair, you began this thread by making assumptions about people based on the behaviour they demonstrated toward you on the internet. Maybe those assumptions don't apply either.

    And what is required is not a heart of stone, but to know that even a good heart needs a thick skin sometimes, and the knowledge that other people's behaviour is not necessarily about you, nor even an indicator of any great problems with their character either.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    To be fair, you began this thread by making assumptions about people based on the behaviour they demonstrated toward you on the internet. Maybe those assumptions don't apply either.

    And what is required is not a heart of stone, but to know that even a good heart needs a thick skin sometimes, and the knowledge that other people's behaviour is not necessarily about you, nor even an indicator of any great problems with their character either.
    I think my "assumptions" were somewhat fair, I mean, I am not psychic so I can't possibly know unless I was told why so that leaves me guessing and I hate that, but whatever. I wish I knew what it was I said or did wrong that made these people that way towards me, or is it their own problem(s)?

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    Sorry to revive my thread here, but I had to share this oddball I found on a social networking site.

    I added this gay guy on there, a few years younger than me but an adult, and noticed he had a post about chronic stomach issues he has been having. I am going through the same thing, so I asked him about it and asked if he has seen a doctor about it, but he said now. I then ask if he could message me so we could talk, and he said "nope". I was like "ok..." and found that a little odd but didn't think much of it.

    A few days later, I asked him a question and asked if he likes eggnog (I have been drinking that a lot lately) and he said "no, I like something else that's thick and creamy, but I'll leave that to your imagination". Of course, other people joined in and started thinking dirty, and he said "no, a milkshake, you perverts". I then made a joke along the lines of this, saying "only if it's a milkshake that brings the boys to the yard". He then said "Quit trying to be funny. It's not working. If you're trying to flatter me with your "sense of humor" it's not working". In my head, I was like "alright, you grouch", but then I said to him, "It would help to know why you are so upset. He replied saying "Nah. If I wanted to tell you. I would have told you. I'm not gonna tell random people my problems. I'm not someone that cries just for attention. So no, I won't tell you what's wrong outside of this because I don't tell random people my personal problems". Alrighty then. I left him alone after that, still wondering what in his life is making him so upset and standoffish.

    A few days later, I wanted to strike up a conversation with him, so I asked if he had any tattoos. He then said "look on my profile, dummy". Boy did that set me off, and lead to me chewing him out. I wasn't going to put up with him being rude towards me or others like that. I have seen the way he treats everyone and it's quite repulsive. I told him he is judgmental and ignores people he does not see fit, and only has these other vain people who are "friends". I told him if he thought it was wrong to just ignore people for no reason when they actually want to have a normal talk with him, and he said it's "fake" to not want to talk to someone and then talk to them. Ok...? Anyways, I then told him why does he even have his account on there is he is just going to add a bunch of flakes and not socialize with anyone. Later on, he tried justifying himself by posting a pic of his "popularity" rating, which I found to be totally arrogant. It's all in his head, the popularity and vain thing. Popularity is just a vain illusion for those with nothing who choose to fill their lives with "friends" to make themselves feel superior, kind of like this guy.

    I mean, fine, he didn't want to talk, so why did he add me then? My philosophy is that if you are going to add someone, you should at least introduce yourself or talk a little instead of just adding people for the hell of it to make it appear you have friends. I also didn't like his rude attitude. I mean, if someone is trying to be kind enough to you, you should not take that for granted or be rude to them. I have no clue what his deal is, but not everyone wants to be talked to the way he talks to people. His little "friends" tried defending him but they are clueless too. They got mad at me for telling it like it is. I don't know if I should feel sorry for these people or not, they must be so empty and angry at the world to be like they are.

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    I don't go out very much. I go out when I need to. I don't go out also because you usually end up spending money. And before someone says it, I don't like going for walks. If I want exercise, I'll use my fitness flyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    I don't go out very much. I go out when I need to. I don't go out also because you usually end up spending money. And before someone says it, I don't like going for walks. If I want exercise, I'll use my fitness flyer
    I can attest to that. If someone gives me money and sends me on my way, you can be sure I will spent most of it. Walking is fun, you should get out and go sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    You're using a social networking site. It enables people to reach out and contact thousands of people that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. But it also enables them to be rude to, ignore, and block those same thousands of people that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. There is no protocol other than that which evolves over time and repetition. And the protocol is that there IS no protocol. You can be a bit rude or downright dickish on these sites if you so desire, and the only repercussion is that some people are going to find you a bit rude or downright dickish.



    It never did. But you need to stop looking at people as being precisely like you, because they're not. Some people don't have any interest in talking to people they don't know. Or in talking to people that don't fit whatever qualifications they choose. As I said, maybe you weren't hot enough, rich enough, old enough, young enough, whatever enough. That's their call. Just as it's your call to get offended by it. I've been turned down for being too old, too ugly, too hairy, too uninteresting, too unfunny, and for no perceivable reason whatsoever. That's fine. I shrug it off and move on to other people - maybe this next one will be more fruitful. I've got stuff to do - I don't have the time or energy to lug around resentment because somebody decided I wasn't worth chatting with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Xanax is not for sleep, it's for anxiety, or at least that's why I was put on it. They have never told me why they took me off it. I take the pills are prescribed and have been without Xanax for several weeks. I am not in any therapy, I am left to deal with my emotions on my own. I know how to handle them but it would be nice to have someone who understood them and didn't see it as "attention seeking" or making it look like something it's not. I know how the world works, and maybe I just don't know or want to deal with that but I know how it works.
    I may have missed it, but I'm going to ask: are you having trouble sleeping? I did when I stopped using Xanax, and Seroquel both helped me sleep and helped with anxiety.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Like I said, they never told me why they took me off of it, but who needs a reason for things anymore? I don't know how else I'll get by without something to suppress my nerves so I can go out in public again. That last part, I cannot tell you, the people in question only have those answers.
    If your doctor made such a move without explaining it, you have grounds for a professional complaint. At the very least, you need a competent doctor -- because any doc who will cut such a prescription suddenly is suspect in the first place, and one who doesn't explain why any change is made can't be counted on.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    But,do you know how to handle them? From your posting history it would seem not,as for Xanax it is used as a sleeping aid,Diazepam is more than likely the drug prescribed for anxiety. And even then for as short a period as possible.
    Your reply to my post would suggest that you do not know how to "handle" your emotions without some sort of counseling.
    Xanax is commonly used for anxiety, both as "at need" for anxiety attacks and as a daily treatment. It used to be prescribed for long-term, but that's no longer done.

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Thank you for proven my point.The reason why Drs slowly lower doses of certain drugs over a period of time is to avert the possibility of seizures.
    Yes -- it's called titrating. It's done for many medications, both starting them and ending them. And for potentially addictive meds, it's absolutely indicated.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be put on Diazepam unless the doctor says it's ok and if she thinks I need it, and I was completely taken off Xanax with no sign of being put back on it. Xanax saved me from a really bad panic attack once that caused me to violently shake all over, so I don't completely understand why I can't have it again according to her. I do appreciate the help, I really do, but I can't just be put on any medicine I please or get help when I need it, it just doesn't work like that, as least not around here. I have no clue what or whom you think I am blaming, and if I take things a little personal, I am truly sorry. I am going to disregard your last post however, I am not going to waste my energy anymore on trying to get you to understand my viewpoint.
    If you've had any severe anxiety or panic attacks since being taken off, you should insist that you get a prescription for another at-need med. There are others besides Diazepam.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I would love to explain to her if I could get around to seeing her, her office is a long drive away and I usually have no one to take me to my appointments. I was too sick to go last week and this week they cancelled my appointment for some "administrative day" thing. I do not have a dependency on Xanax, it's just the only thing that really helps my anxiety, and I take it as prescribed and nothing more.
    How far is "a long drive"? I used to bicycle twenty-plus miles for appointments.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Why are we still on the topic of doctors, medicine and shit? I am so over that, have been for a little while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    A contradiction is noted in your above post.....

    Xanax is addictive....that you confirm that you were on Xanax, for most of your teen years, confirms this.
    But there is a subset of people who are 'immune' to its addictive qualities. Beyond that, it depends a great deal on frequency, dose, and metabolism. So just because he was on Xanax a long time doesn't confirm he was addicted; it's possible the doc left him on it a long time because it was evident he wasn't getting addicted.

    I'm still far more concerned about the competence of the doctor.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Xanax is commonly used for anxiety, both as "at need" for anxiety attacks and as a daily treatment. It used to be prescribed for long-term, but that's no longer done.



    Yes -- it's called titrating. It's done for many medications, both starting them and ending them. And for potentially addictive meds, it's absolutely indicated.
    In The States that may be the case,not here.
    You are making the same point i did,you do not keep someone on a drug that is known to cause dependency for such a long time.
    I do know what it is called!
    The reason why i "dumb" down my posts,is because it saves members having to google words such as the one you mentioned.
    Honestly dude,you are not an oracle of all things to all people.

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