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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
    We don't have sufficient data on the disablement etc. to be able to reach any conclusion...

    The OP invited participation from the members....with our thoughts...directness, yes rudeness, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Shit, even Hell is better than the internet at times.
    This thread is a good way to develop that tough skin I was telling you about. Hang in there...you are doing fine.

    I don't know if you are an addict or not...as an addict myself it is not my place....

    ...but I can tell you something that you may want to use that comes from being an addict and developing a tough skin...

    "What other people think about me is none of my business"

    Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    We don't have sufficient data on the disablement etc. to be able to reach any conclusion...

    The OP invited participation from the members....with our thoughts...directness, yes rudeness, no.
    Nice try. He asked for help with odd anti-social behavior - not with whether he was an addict or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Nice try. He asked for help with odd anti-social behavior - not with whether he was an addict or not.
    From a professional angle referencing Xanax dependency is highly pertinent when discussing the OPs well stated symptoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
    As Doctors we are well aware that prescribing certain drugs,like MST,Morphine,Cyclomorphine,Fentanyl and many types of Benzos,can and does cause dependency.
    However as you rightly point out,you have to weigh up what is the best way to treat a patient,whilst realising that the drugs you may prescribe,could lead to what we call here unintentional dependancy. Off topic i know,but a valid point to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    From a professional angle referencing Xanax dependency is highly pertinent when discussing the OPs well stated symptoms.
    Perhaps you've missed the memo - but you can't diagnose someone over the internet. Let alone without their medical records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Perhaps you've missed the memo - but you can't diagnose someone over the internet. Let alone without their medical records.
    Correct...but the information/symptoms supplied by the OP assists us better understand his condition, and offer appropriate advice....per his request....further, that the OPs physician chose to stop his prescription for Xanax after 30 days indicates that she had good reason for so doing....

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    Re: Odd anti-social behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Man, I thought I let this thread die? Lois, get the shotgun!!!

    Anyways, I agree with Luckynumbah7, it's been rude and overall damaging to an extent, to continue arguing if I am an addict or not. I don't see how someone can assume that/read that over a computer screen. You either have X-ray eyes or are pretty confident in your arrogant assumptions. I know the truth and I know myself better than anyone, so I will not continue to defend that in which I don't and shouldn't have to. I don't have the thickest skin but I am gradually learning to let it all go. I just don't want to be pushed into having a heart of stone, because I care about people too much to not care.
    To be fair, you began this thread by making assumptions about people based on the behaviour they demonstrated toward you on the internet. Maybe those assumptions don't apply either.

    And what is required is not a heart of stone, but to know that even a good heart needs a thick skin sometimes, and the knowledge that other people's behaviour is not necessarily about you, nor even an indicator of any great problems with their character either.

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    I don't go out very much. I go out when I need to. I don't go out also because you usually end up spending money. And before someone says it, I don't like going for walks. If I want exercise, I'll use my fitness flyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    You're using a social networking site. It enables people to reach out and contact thousands of people that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. But it also enables them to be rude to, ignore, and block those same thousands of people that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. There is no protocol other than that which evolves over time and repetition. And the protocol is that there IS no protocol. You can be a bit rude or downright dickish on these sites if you so desire, and the only repercussion is that some people are going to find you a bit rude or downright dickish.



    It never did. But you need to stop looking at people as being precisely like you, because they're not. Some people don't have any interest in talking to people they don't know. Or in talking to people that don't fit whatever qualifications they choose. As I said, maybe you weren't hot enough, rich enough, old enough, young enough, whatever enough. That's their call. Just as it's your call to get offended by it. I've been turned down for being too old, too ugly, too hairy, too uninteresting, too unfunny, and for no perceivable reason whatsoever. That's fine. I shrug it off and move on to other people - maybe this next one will be more fruitful. I've got stuff to do - I don't have the time or energy to lug around resentment because somebody decided I wasn't worth chatting with.

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    Good stuff.

    I have my own attitude toward any kind of communication online -- it's like raking for cockles when there's no surface sign -- every now and then you find something, but most of the time an action leaves your rake empty.

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    Re: Odd anti-social behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Xanax is not for sleep, it's for anxiety, or at least that's why I was put on it. They have never told me why they took me off it. I take the pills are prescribed and have been without Xanax for several weeks. I am not in any therapy, I am left to deal with my emotions on my own. I know how to handle them but it would be nice to have someone who understood them and didn't see it as "attention seeking" or making it look like something it's not. I know how the world works, and maybe I just don't know or want to deal with that but I know how it works.
    I may have missed it, but I'm going to ask: are you having trouble sleeping? I did when I stopped using Xanax, and Seroquel both helped me sleep and helped with anxiety.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Like I said, they never told me why they took me off of it, but who needs a reason for things anymore? I don't know how else I'll get by without something to suppress my nerves so I can go out in public again. That last part, I cannot tell you, the people in question only have those answers.
    If your doctor made such a move without explaining it, you have grounds for a professional complaint. At the very least, you need a competent doctor -- because any doc who will cut such a prescription suddenly is suspect in the first place, and one who doesn't explain why any change is made can't be counted on.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    But,do you know how to handle them? From your posting history it would seem not,as for Xanax it is used as a sleeping aid,Diazepam is more than likely the drug prescribed for anxiety. And even then for as short a period as possible.
    Your reply to my post would suggest that you do not know how to "handle" your emotions without some sort of counseling.
    Xanax is commonly used for anxiety, both as "at need" for anxiety attacks and as a daily treatment. It used to be prescribed for long-term, but that's no longer done.

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Thank you for proven my point.The reason why Drs slowly lower doses of certain drugs over a period of time is to avert the possibility of seizures.
    Yes -- it's called titrating. It's done for many medications, both starting them and ending them. And for potentially addictive meds, it's absolutely indicated.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be put on Diazepam unless the doctor says it's ok and if she thinks I need it, and I was completely taken off Xanax with no sign of being put back on it. Xanax saved me from a really bad panic attack once that caused me to violently shake all over, so I don't completely understand why I can't have it again according to her. I do appreciate the help, I really do, but I can't just be put on any medicine I please or get help when I need it, it just doesn't work like that, as least not around here. I have no clue what or whom you think I am blaming, and if I take things a little personal, I am truly sorry. I am going to disregard your last post however, I am not going to waste my energy anymore on trying to get you to understand my viewpoint.
    If you've had any severe anxiety or panic attacks since being taken off, you should insist that you get a prescription for another at-need med. There are others besides Diazepam.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I would love to explain to her if I could get around to seeing her, her office is a long drive away and I usually have no one to take me to my appointments. I was too sick to go last week and this week they cancelled my appointment for some "administrative day" thing. I do not have a dependency on Xanax, it's just the only thing that really helps my anxiety, and I take it as prescribed and nothing more.
    How far is "a long drive"? I used to bicycle twenty-plus miles for appointments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    A contradiction is noted in your above post.....

    Xanax is addictive....that you confirm that you were on Xanax, for most of your teen years, confirms this.
    But there is a subset of people who are 'immune' to its addictive qualities. Beyond that, it depends a great deal on frequency, dose, and metabolism. So just because he was on Xanax a long time doesn't confirm he was addicted; it's possible the doc left him on it a long time because it was evident he wasn't getting addicted.

    I'm still far more concerned about the competence of the doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Xanax is commonly used for anxiety, both as "at need" for anxiety attacks and as a daily treatment. It used to be prescribed for long-term, but that's no longer done.



    Yes -- it's called titrating. It's done for many medications, both starting them and ending them. And for potentially addictive meds, it's absolutely indicated.
    In The States that may be the case,not here.
    You are making the same point i did,you do not keep someone on a drug that is known to cause dependency for such a long time.
    I do know what it is called!
    The reason why i "dumb" down my posts,is because it saves members having to google words such as the one you mentioned.
    Honestly dude,you are not an oracle of all things to all people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But there is a subset of people who are 'immune' to its addictive qualities. Beyond that, it depends a great deal on frequency, dose, and metabolism. So just because he was on Xanax a long time doesn't confirm he was addicted; it's possible the doc left him on it a long time because it was evident he wasn't getting addicted.

    I'm still far more concerned about the competence of the doctor.
    I'd be much more concerned for the apparent "professional" qualifications of the patient addicted to Xanax attempting to impose their treatment regime on their physician.

    I also have to concern my self with mental health challenges demonstrated by patients dependent on Xanax for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    I'd be much more concerned for the apparent "professional" qualifications of the patient addicted to Xanax attempting to impose their treatment regime on their physician.

    I also have to concern my self with mental health challenges demonstrated by patients dependent on Xanax for years.
    Given that we have no evidence of addiction, only the assumption, and the fact that Xanax especially is a medication not to be dropped suddenly but titrated off from, the competence of the doctor is a greater concern here. Any physician who just drops a patient from a potentially addictive mind-altering substance is dabbling in malpractice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Given that we have no evidence of addiction, only the assumption, and the fact that Xanax especially is a medication not to be dropped suddenly but titrated off from, the competence of the doctor is a greater concern here. Any physician who just drops a patient from a potentially addictive mind-altering substance is dabbling in malpractice.
    Xanax is an anti-psychotic drug with a well established track record for dependency.

    No sane physician will permit their patient to suspend Xanax cold turkey..there will be a period weaning (titrating) the patient off the medication....I usually estimate 10 days is the optimum.

    Let me explain the modus operandi of Xanax in some detail:

    Our brain manufactures it's own natural Xanax-like substance, called GABA. GABA works by inhibiting the brain's natural tendency to speed up. It's like a brake pedal, where the accelerator is stuck in the pedal-to-the-metal mode. GABA keeps your brain from over-working. Xanax (and other sedatives, and alcohol) works by imitating natural GABA. If you start taking it daily, your brain starts thinking "I guess I don't need to make so much GABA because this Xanax stuff is here, so I'll only make 20% of what I usually make." It takes a week or more for your brain to stop making the GABA (which is why just a few days on Xanax won't lead to much trouble), and a week or more for it to start making it again when you stop taking the Xanax.

    Here's where ones challenges begin. Xanax influence wears off in just a few hours but it takes a week for our brain's natural Xanax to kick back in; what happens in the interim? Withdrawal. What does that feel like? It feels like a panic attack, but worse. High blood pressure, rapid heart beat, tremors, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, seizures. What do patients do when they feel a panic attack coming on? Take another Xanax....so the cycle continues....dependency.

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    Unfortunately the Internet has "liberated" people from all acceptable social conventions so if you are using social networks as a means of contacting people then you must accept the forms of behaviour that you are illustrating as "normal". Subsequently you should, as already advised, stop letting it worry you.

    I am positive that if you were sitting across a table from the same people that their reactions towards you would be completely different but as I understand this is not a possibility due to your problems of mobility and anxiety attacks. So you have no choice except learning how to deal with it in a rational manner in order that it doesn't effect your mental state.

    There are a large number of sympathetic members here on JUB who will do their upmost to formulate advise suited to another member's problems. But we all base our advice on our own personal experience and not all of us have a large ranging understanding of problems resulting from disabilities and the necessity of some accompanying form of medication. So you should evaluate such suggestions as a means of trying to help you; all made with good intentions even though you may find they are not appropriate to your understanding of your problem.

    As sad as it may sound you should remember that no-one is obliged to communicate with you politely nor indeed create any form of friendship, be it on-line or in the real world. Your only solution is to discover how to live your solitary life with a certain degree of happiness. Solitude is part of many lives and if you are unable to accept it then you will always be unsatisfied with your life.

    Work on making your life enjoyable as much as you can and then you can perhaps start to try to expand your life into the real world and real social interaction. I know it isn't easy but do you have the choice? Do you have any alternative?
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    ^Well composed, pragmatic advice.

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    I was on Xanax for 5 years. I got off it. But I went back on it (.5 mg). Its hard to get off and it tastes horrible!!!

    I couldn't get off in the second time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Xanax is an anti-psychotic drug with a well established track record for dependency.

    No sane physician will permit their patient to suspend Xanax cold turkey..there will be a period weaning (titrating) the patient off the medication....I usually estimate 10 days is the optimum.

    Let me explain the modus operandi of Xanax in some detail:

    Our brain manufactures it's own natural Xanax-like substance, called GABA. GABA works by inhibiting the brain's natural tendency to speed up. It's like a brake pedal, where the accelerator is stuck in the pedal-to-the-metal mode. GABA keeps your brain from over-working. Xanax (and other sedatives, and alcohol) works by imitating natural GABA. If you start taking it daily, your brain starts thinking "I guess I don't need to make so much GABA because this Xanax stuff is here, so I'll only make 20% of what I usually make." It takes a week or more for your brain to stop making the GABA (which is why just a few days on Xanax won't lead to much trouble), and a week or more for it to start making it again when you stop taking the Xanax.

    Here's where ones challenges begin. Xanax influence wears off in just a few hours but it takes a week for our brain's natural Xanax to kick back in; what happens in the interim? Withdrawal. What does that feel like? It feels like a panic attack, but worse. High blood pressure, rapid heart beat, tremors, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, seizures. What do patients do when they feel a panic attack coming on? Take another Xanax....so the cycle continues....dependency.
    I know all that. And we have no evidence that he went through any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Unfortunately the Internet has "liberated" people from all acceptable social conventions so if you are using social networks as a means of contacting people then you must accept the forms of behaviour that you are illustrating as "normal". Subsequently you should, as already advised, stop letting it worry you.

    I am positive that if you were sitting across a table from the same people that their reactions towards you would be completely different but as I understand this is not a possibility due to your problems of mobility and anxiety attacks. So you have no choice except learning how to deal with it in a rational manner in order that it doesn't effect your mental state.

    There are a large number of sympathetic members here on JUB who will do their upmost to formulate advise suited to another member's problems. But we all base our advice on our own personal experience and not all of us have a large ranging understanding of problems resulting from disabilities and the necessity of some accompanying form of medication. So you should evaluate such suggestions as a means of trying to help you; all made with good intentions even though you may find they are not appropriate to your understanding of your problem.

    As sad as it may sound you should remember that no-one is obliged to communicate with you politely nor indeed create any form of friendship, be it on-line or in the real world. Your only solution is to discover how to live your solitary life with a certain degree of happiness. Solitude is part of many lives and if you are unable to accept it then you will always be unsatisfied with your life.

    Work on making your life enjoyable as much as you can and then you can perhaps start to try to expand your life into the real world and real social interaction. I know it isn't easy but do you have the choice? Do you have any alternative?
    Quoted for excellence.

    I'll add that there is the phenomenon -- I won't claim it's widespread -- of internet behavior carrying over into real life, so it isn't all that rare to run into people who are like this in real, not just electronically.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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