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    Quote Originally Posted by SLOPPYSECONDS View Post
    governments civlis serivace police military rock pop media companys lots alls antisocial

    catch up

    thankyou

    ta alls hot blooded male balls wot wear smilesys happy happys as always

    yes, that's nice, Sloppy


    now run along back to the little table...big people are talking


    and put your football helmet back on


    ..we don't want you banging into the furniture again

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    Here's an idea.

    Forget living your life through an app and get out there and find people who live it for real and aren't socially backward or as fucked up as about 75% of the world that has decided to make all their social and sexual connections through the web.

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    Welcome to the "me" generation: where selflessness is tossed aside for their own wants.

    Then you wonder why depression is on the rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    If only it were that easy.
    Why does everyone only want what is easy and not what is worthwhile?

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    There's nothing wrong with using the shortcuts and convenience that apps and websites provide. But you're going to have to take all the oddball behavior peculiar to apps and websites along with it.

    Today I yet again dealt with another oddball. On another social site, a lot of people on there like to use the app called Kik (spelling?). This one gay guy from Indiana (where I live) was asking if anyone would like to talk to him on Kik, but I don't have that app, so I asked if I could talk to him anyways since I was bored. I look on his status a short while later and he deleted my comment. I was a little thrown off, but wasn't terribly bothered. I messaged him asking if it was ok to add him and talk to him. He read my message but didn't reply back to it. I went to add him and then I find out he blocked me for some odd, unknown reason. Was it something I said? Is it how I looked in my profile picture that made him think I was unattractive and not worthy of talking to? How would he even know what I am like and what I might say if he didn't respond back to me? I really don't get it when people act like that. They say they want to talk but then they don't say anything upon talking to them.
    No idea, but here's a bunch of possibilities.

    Maybe he only uses KIK to chat because it weeds out some (more) of the freaks.
    Maybe you put across your "I'm going to ask you to chat anyway because I'm bored" attitude (intentionally or not), he picked up on it, and decided he didn't want to be your monkey.
    Maybe he didn't like your profile picture.
    Maybe he's only interested in older/younger/smaller/bigger/hairier/smoother/hotter/weirder people.
    Maybe your profile name sounds like his ex.
    Maybe he collects "blocks" because he enjoys feeling he dodged a bullet each time he "had to" block somebody.

    All sorts of possibilities. Any of them possible. It sounds like you were out about fifteen seconds of your life here. Get used to wasting those fifteen seconds, because this happens a lot.

    I've also come to know that some will only reply to you when they "need" something or when negativity shows its ugly face. There was a teacher at my high school a little older than me that I wanted to hang out with, and this was years after I graduated. He never responded back to me when I asked if we could hang out yet he replied when I was horny once and sent him a picture of my cock and ended up blocking me (yeah, that was my fault). How come some only respond to the negative and never anything positive like just wanting to chat and/or hang out? I don't get it. Come to find out, he is indeed anti-social according to his profile. I don't see how you can be a teacher and be anti-social at the same time?
    Being "anti-social" and being a teacher don't have to be mutually exclusive. You're dealing with subordinates who presumably have at least some vague sense of the teacher-student relationship. Students can't "reject" their teacher the same way an equal can, and therefore, anti-social folks don't feel the same sense of dread in dealing with students as they do with equals. I'm not sure why you'd send a dick pic to a former teacher who didn't seem that interested in interacting with you - maybe that's your own form of odd anti-social behavior - but I don't find anything he did to be that out of line.

    A former friend of mine is also the same way. He says he'll hang out with you but never follows through ever with doing so. I had made plans with him and he never once made the effort to hang out with me ever again after I moved away from his neighborhood. It's a pity that he became both an alcoholic and a homophobe years after I moved away, he used to be a decent guy but now all he thinks about is beer this and beer that and saying that being gay is a sin. I found out how anti-gay he is when I made the mistake of sending racy pics of me to him, wanting to relive the flirtation we did back then. It was a crappy way to find out how much he'd changed for the worst and I feel pitiful for that.
    It's possible these people aren't planners. They're guests not hosts. They'll always be up for doing something (or at least open to the opportunity), but they'll never set anything up themselves. Some people just don't operate that way. Also, I have acquaintances who overbook themselves constantly. They line up three or four things to do each day, and then either cancel the least interesting ones, or simply don't show up to them. And yeah, I tend not to do anything with them. Why do they do it? Because having three or four things booked means you always have something to do. If something cancels, you can always go to something else. I've noticed these people tend to be pretty terrible at being on their own. Whenever they DO end up spending the night alone, they're bemoaning the fact online, or calling/e-mailing people (including me) wanting to know if "you wanna do something?".

    Anyways, one of my pet peeves is when people don't reply back to their messages you've sent them. Forgive me if this sounds crass, but you can't be that busy if you're taking the time to surf social networking sites. I don't know what's worse, finding out that someone hasn't read your message yet or has read your message but never replied to it. Here's one of my mottoes: "If you're not going to be social on a social networking site, then leave".
    Maybe they ARE social - just not with you. If I send a couple of messages to somebody, and they don't return them, I figure either they don't respond to messages in general, or they're just not interested in interacting with ME. And I'm fine either way - I just think "Well, Bob apparently isn't worth the effort of trying to chat" and I don't send him another message.

    Another thing I hate is when I want the most to be social yet there is no one around to be social with. It's disheartening when you like a person enough to want to be their friend and hang out but they close themselves off from the world and other people. It spoils it for people like myself who just want some friendship and company.
    And how do you respond when they send YOU a message/phone-call to go do something, and you're too busy, or not interested? Do you let them know? "Wow, it sounds like fun, but I'm not able to do anything today. Maybe we can get together next weekend?" Because I do that, and I never have any trouble lining something up when I want to. Maybe not the first person I talk to, but eventually.

    Then again, since you've messed up at least two friendships/relationships by sending out pictures of yourself in various states of undress, I'd say perhaps your problems might go a bit deeper than "I don't understand why people are anti-social".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Here's an idea.

    Forget living your life through an app and get out there and find people who live it for real and aren't socially backward or as fucked up as about 75% of the world that has decided to make all their social and sexual connections through the web.
    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Why does everyone only want what is easy and not what is worthwhile?
    ^^ Listen.

    There is little that is "social" about an app.

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    Hmm remember it is only the net. It isn't real life

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    My goodness, this is a lot to sort through but I understand various excerpts of it. I mean, I wasn't forcing the guy who blocked me to talk to me, I just wanted some casual talk and I got denied, which makes me a bit mad because it happens too often so forgive me. My intentions, or lack thereof, are always good and I am just looking to be friendly and inviting to people.
    You're using a social networking site. It enables people to reach out and contact thousands of people that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. But it also enables them to be rude to, ignore, and block those same thousands of people that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. There is no protocol other than that which evolves over time and repetition. And the protocol is that there IS no protocol. You can be a bit rude or downright dickish on these sites if you so desire, and the only repercussion is that some people are going to find you a bit rude or downright dickish.

    I just hate it when people don't reply, I am taking time out of my day to take an interest in their life and get to know them. Some I guess just aren't flattered by that. When did it become a crime to be friends with people outside your norm?
    It never did. But you need to stop looking at people as being precisely like you, because they're not. Some people don't have any interest in talking to people they don't know. Or in talking to people that don't fit whatever qualifications they choose. As I said, maybe you weren't hot enough, rich enough, old enough, young enough, whatever enough. That's their call. Just as it's your call to get offended by it. I've been turned down for being too old, too ugly, too hairy, too uninteresting, too unfunny, and for no perceivable reason whatsoever. That's fine. I shrug it off and move on to other people - maybe this next one will be more fruitful. I've got stuff to do - I don't have the time or energy to lug around resentment because somebody decided I wasn't worth chatting with.

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    Basically, don't get stressed when people don't respond -they are not interested in you. Its harsh but that is the world we live. Second, don't send cock pics to people who don't ask for them, that can never go well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I have dealt with a lot of it from people and I'm sure you have too.
    I use to be the antisocial one :/

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    I hate to side with the rhetoric that the only way to meet real people is outside of the SCARY interwebs, but seriously, where do you live that - for as "social" a person as you proclaim yourself to be - you can't meet people in public?

    Also, your quip about "you can't be that busy if you're taking the time to surf social networking sites" might just be one of your problems; you seem to feel entitled that people give you a chance, when the reality is if you come on too strong or they straight up don't want to, they're not obligated to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Yeah? What is your story?
    It's not really a story, it's hard for me to connect to new people. Also I don't use to contact my friends, my friends let me know their plans.

    ^Another kicking English grammar post

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    It's ok, dont have to think too much about that.
    At least you guys not making appointment or else and he canceled on the very day. Try to be minimal as possible, I sense from the way you posting here, that you want genuine human interaction. I tell you, you'll find it when you're not looking and the best interaction is not something you can push or arrange, it's happen by itself.
    But again..try to be minimal as possible- if the situation not draining his or your energy, then shake it off. Otherwise, you have the right to ask for repairment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire
    Anyways, one of my pet peeves is when people don't reply back to their messages you've sent them. Forgive me if this sounds crass, but you can't be that busy if you're taking the time to surf social networking sites. I don't know what's worse, finding out that someone hasn't read your message yet or has read your message but never replied to it. Here's one of my mottoes: "If you're not going to be social on a social networking site, then leave".
    I don't do . social networking sites . or hookup apps . or etc .
    But on forum sites like this one... i always feel the need to reply back if someone sends a message even if its not really a question
    So what you said here makes sense to me.

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    Welcome to the phone apps social world.
    They only want to text messages if they want something.


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Anyways, one of my pet peeves is when people don't reply back to their messages you've sent them. Forgive me if this sounds crass, but you can't be that busy if you're taking the time to surf social networking sites. I don't know what's worse, finding out that someone hasn't read your message yet or has read your message but never replied to it. Here's one of my mottoes: "If you're not going to be social on a social networking site, then leave".

    Ugh...rant over.
    Umm.... Sending a message/text/so on to someone does not automatically create a necessity for them to respond in kind. Granted, it would be nice of they responded, but there is no law requiring them to do so. In fact, the lack of response can be considered itself a response, especially if it is confirmed that the original message was received. For some reason you were considered undesirable as a conversation associate. Move on, its in your best interests.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Here's an idea.

    Forget living your life through an app and get out there and find people who live it for real and aren't socially backward or as fucked up as about 75% of the world that has decided to make all their social and sexual connections through the web.
    This is excellent advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    If only it were that easy.
    Actually it is. Turn the computer off and go hang out where others do. Go to your local library, to one of your community parks, or other such gathering place. Maybe get a group of coworkers together and go out to dinner, or take lunch together away from the office. Do something that has you interacting with people, preferably not through a machine. You seem to have issues when people don't respond. With face to face communications this rarely happens as even turning one's back to walk away is a clear response.
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    Social skill or social power does not mean figuring out how to get people to talk to you.

    Social skill is the ability to figure out who wants to talk and leaving the rest alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I am well aware of that, but it's common sense to respond back and not make it look like you're ignoring the person, because then all sorts of things go through their head as to why no reply. Yeah? Tell me the reason why I was/am "undesirable" to talk to? I've been wondering that all my life. Is it because this generation has become desensitized? self-centered? closeted? shallow?
    I can't think of being much more self centered than demanding a response from someone who is clearly not interested. I understand where you are coming from, but the world doesn't revolve around you. The lack of response is in itself a response. And you said it yourself: for some reason you came off as undesirable to talk to. OK, move on.... But you went a step further and demanded a response. Then you got blocked.

    From what you posted here and what you described of your posts there I would say you tend to come off as clingy and possessive, with a major helping of desperate. That will push people away faster than rolling in fresh dog shit, because with the dog shit you can at least bathe and don clean clothes. Your issues are a little harder to overcome. If you want to make things work I suggest you find a hobby you enjoy doing and just do it. Don't define your life around "having others to hang out with" or you will always need to have someone, and will get quite desperate when none is available (this can be dangerous for you as well as for others). In time, as you learn to enjoy your hobby alone go out and enjoy it among others. Then you can meet people to share with who have similar interest(s) and you'll have common ground to hang out on.

    I would love nothing more than to do everything you said in the last sentences but here's the problem, I am jobless, disabled, ill, without a car and without any friends in this new town I've been in since March. I would love to interact in person if those weren't an issue and if I wasn't so far from civilization.
    There must be some hospital you go to for care? Next time you are there ask a nurse for help in finding services to help in those areas, or contact your local Social Security office. If you truly are disabled as you say there are benefits you qualify for. But be careful, the term disabled is thrown around often these days to cover everything from laziness to a stubbed toe. But if you really are disabled there is help.
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    There are many reasons why people not respond to messages so don't take it personally:
    1/ they may not be interested
    2/ they are too busy
    3/ they have hardships beyond their control
    4/ they maybe very sick ... etc


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Be a good 'listener'. Ask them about their day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Be a good 'listener'. Ask them about their day.
    lol, mostly are no hot no talk


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Must I continue to impress people to be accepted? It's not that I have issues with making friends and talking to people, it's just an issue when my side is the only one communicating.
    That statement right there is the key. You are trying too hard. That shows desperation. Don't worry about impressing people. Don't demand they hold up "their end" of the conversation. You stress too much over it and it comes through. People pick up on this stuff, even if they don't understand what it is that makes them uncomfortable around you. They get scared off, pushed away.... however you want to say it. But the point is it comes from your need for them to behave according to your subconscious desires.

    The disabilities I have are panic attacks, post-op pain and chronic GERD. They kind of bounce off each other. I haven't left my house in months because of the pain and the searing pain of GERD. I take medications for it all but it's not as effective now as it once was. I get panic attacks without even thinking about it or feeling bad, so it's a constant struggle.
    What are the stressors of your panic attacks? What types of situations brings them on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I don't expect or ask much from anyone, just someone faithful and can hold a good, mature conversation with me. I have grown up believing that maybe I was just meant to be alone or was born to be socially awkward and unwanted. That is why I try so hard, because I don't want to accept that fate.
    You have created a self fulfilling prophecy there. You fear to be alone so you try to prove yourself worthy. But that only comes across as being clingy/needy and pushes away those you hope to "impress". If you wouldn't try so hard, and just went about being you and enjoying yourself people would be interested.

    I am not even sure what really causes my panic attacks, they just come on without warning.
    Does it only happen in situations where you'll be around strangers? Or when faced with large groups (10+) of people? There has to be something, even if you haven't noticed what yet. From now on when you first start to feel the panic attack, look around and take notice of everything you can. Once you learn exactly what brings on the panic attacks you'll start being able to better deal with the situations.

    I am on Lexapro for the anxiety but it doesn't help without the added Xanax, which the doctor took me off of abruptly. I was fine until I was taken off Xanax.
    Was the Xanax causing any side effects? Doctors don't do that sort of thing without good reason.
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    Am I an oddball for scanning meticulously through every post and still don't get the OP's message?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefall View Post
    Am I an oddball for scanning meticulously through every post and still don't get the OP's message?
    No!

    The pedantic personality prefers to view life through a lens that focuses on their perceptions, their needs assuming that the world must fit in with their understandings. As other posters here have already noted the OP would benefit immensely by eradicating all preconceived ideas, by jumping in the deep end with a view to enjoying life rather, than assuming that his life must fit into a pattern that addresses his fears, and obsessive need to be reaffirmed by his peers.

    I"ll quote words of wisdom that resonate with those anxious to escape from their cell of self imposed unhappiness:

    Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    That's quite a long stretch to assume about someone you don't even know anything about. You don't know me, my thoughts, my feelings, my intentions, my desires, my heartache, my life for that matter. You don't know what's happened to me to make me the way I am, or what I'm not.
    You've been very verbal over the last few days telling us in great detail about your fears, your aspirations with the further thought, that your dialogue here has been initiated by you to learn how better to deal with your challenges....defensive replies that reject any thought that you are the causation of your unhappiness might well suggest that you have not reached the awareness that your issues are self imposed.....

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    Slightly off topic,no Dr would abruptly stop your script for sleeping aids without a very good reason. Were you taking more than the prescribed dose?
    As for Kallipolis,his observations are both very well "informed" as well as spot-on.
    I noticed that you have made another thread,very similar to the ask me anything one. Are you having any kind of therapy for your emotional state?

    I am going to be blunt,you are trying to hard and to fast,members have already stated that "posting" on various topics gives both us and you a chance to fathom out you as more than a member who seems to hold and see the World through one dimensional glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be blamed for everyone's problems with me, whether they be real or perceived, that's just unrealistic and quite arrogant of the other parties. I can and will take responsibility for things I brought on myself but I will not carry the weight of the other people who were too immature, vain and stuck in their own worlds to even get to know and understand me.
    Medic has also noted your reference to your physician removing you from Xanax a cause of concern for the professional health provider

    for your practical guidance you may care to note the following...cardiac arrest being of personal concern to my specialisation:

    http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-d...axsideeffects/

    Meantime, your observations on the behaviour of other people, is duly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire;9178891[B
    ]Xanax is not for sleep, it's for anxiety[/B], or at least that's why I was put on it. They have never told me why they took me off it. I take the pills are prescribed and have been without Xanax for several weeks. I am not in any therapy, I am left to deal with my emotions on my own. I know how to handle them but it would be nice to have someone who understood them and didn't see it as "attention seeking" or making it look like something it's not. I know how the world works, and maybe I just don't know or want to deal with that but I know how it works.
    Medic is well aware of that fact but Xanax also contributes to better sleep patterns....by reducing anxiety.

    A physician will ensure that he weans a patient off Xanax dependency ....slowly.

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    But,do you know how to handle them? From your posting history it would seem not,as for Xanax it is used as a sleeping aid,Diazepam is more than likely the drug prescribed for anxiety. And even then for as short a period as possible.
    Your reply to my post would suggest that you do not know how to "handle" your emotions without some sort of counseling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    If you are suggesting I am an addict, that is incorrect. I was on a month's supply of it and then they refused to refill it. No side effects ever came from me taking it. I took Xanax most of my teen years and never had any problems and was energetic, slept better and didn't have any anxiety.
    Thank you for proven my point.The reason why Drs slowly lower doses of certain drugs over a period of time is to avert the possibility of seizures.
    You seem to think we are attacking you,when we are trying to offer some other options that may be beneficial to your health.
    Diazepam is one of the main medications used here for anxiety,but for as short a time as possible.
    Please try to stop being so defensive and trying to blame others for your woes. My suggestion would be to look closer to home.
    Everyone needs guidance and advice through their emotional lows and highs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    They put me on Xanax for anxiety, not for sleeping. Sleeping is not the issue at hand. If I reply a little different than most, it's because I am "different". I'll let you figure that one out. I don't need counseling for social issues, I don't need people telling me what to say and how to think.
    Talk about serendipity,you make a thread about anti-social and odd behaviour,yet you are displaying all of those things in your angry retorts.
    Therapists Do not tell you what to say and think,they offer you other options that you may want to consider.
    Honestly,we are trying to give you some sound advice,we are all different,you are like the child who crys wolf,as time goes by,you will find that many members will no longer be willing to give of their time and empathy.
    As for letting me figure it out,i think i already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be put on Diazepam unless the doctor says it's ok and if she thinks I need it, and I was completely taken off Xanax with no sign of being put back on it. Xanax saved me from a really bad panic attack once that caused me to violently shake all over, so I don't completely understand why I can't have it again according to her. I do appreciate the help, I really do, but I can't just be put on any medicine I please or get help when I need it, it just doesn't work like that, as least not around here. I have no clue what or whom you think I am blaming, and if I take things a little personal, I am truly sorry. I am going to disregard your last post however, I am not going to waste my energy anymore on trying to get you to understand my viewpoint.
    ^See right there is your problem,when you post such a response,when all we are doing is offering yourself differing options.
    I am certain that if you explained to your Dr as eloquently as you have here how you feel,she will have some other suggestions for you.
    Including therapy. You seem to have both a psychological and physical need for Xanax,I do understand your frustration,otherwise i would not be given you my time and energy in responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    Who doesn't want to fit in?
    Most people want to fit in, but if they don't fit in with a specific group or individual they keep looking instead of trying to push those not interested to accept them.

    I am usually lenient and let people come to me nowadays.
    Bullshit. If this truly were the case you wouldn't have posted this thread looking for advice that you don't even accept. What you really want is for people to just accept what you have to say and immediately agree with your opinion. You aren't interested in the truth.

    It's just with certain people that I have an issue with when they ignore me or act shady towards me.
    Translation: I want yes men who will agree with everything I have to say. Those who don't are mistreating me and not respecting me as a person. Poor me, I'm surrounded by people who wont accept ME.

    I don't obsess over it, but I will admit I do get upset about that but who wouldn't?
    Again, bullshit. You do obsess over it or you wouldn't have started a thread to ask what is wrong with everyone else that they don't just accept your way of thinking.

    I just don't want to be blamed for being like that, like "how dare he?" when everyone else would be upset about it too.
    Everyone else might be upset about being ignored, but they don't go around blaming others, they just get on with their lives and find friends elsewhere.


    I don't expect you to really understand.
    If you don't expect anyone to understand why did you post this thread in the first place? Deep down you know you have issues, but on the surface you are not yet ready to admit much of it is in your own head and of your own making. Until you come to accept the truth of this you will no chance of actually dealing with it.

    As long as you're not one of those who comes onto people's threads and tries to stir up drama for some unknown reason to get everyone fought up.
    Translation: As long as you tell me what I want to hear you're cool.... Otherwise I'll consider you a troublemaker so I don't have to listen to your ideas.



    That's quite a long stretch to assume about someone you don't even know anything about. You don't know me, my thoughts, my feelings, my intentions, my desires, my heartache, my life for that matter. You don't know what's happened to me to make me the way I am, or what I'm not.
    No it isn't. You have posted enough that we all know enough to understand that. You have shared your thoughts, your feelings, and intentions and have shown more than you intended to show. We have gotten a look at the truth behind the walls you have put up to deceive. We know enough and have offered sound advice that you refuse to hear. You remind me a bit of my partner when I first met him. He had issues he needed to work through just like you. You talk about how we can't understand your heartache and your life... Let me share with you a bit of his. He was physically and sexually abused by his own mother. His own MOTHER! When he was 13 he finally got away from her and nearly died on the streets with nowhere to go and serious damage to his internal organs leftover from "life" with dear old Mommy. In fact, that is how we met. I found him practically dead in a gutter, his Mom didn't even care to look for him when he went missing. It has been 15 years and he's been able to leave the worst of it back in history. I don't know exactly what trials you've had to face, but its time you stop pushing the responsibility off on others and honestly looked yourself in the mirror. Things will NOT get better until YOU start making them better.

    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    I can't be blamed for everyone's problems with me, whether they be real or perceived, that's just unrealistic and quite arrogant of the other parties.
    You are quite confused there, you have it backwards. Everyone can't be blamed for your problems with them, especially since they are not real, only perceived. That's just unrealistic and quite arrogant of you.

    I can and will take responsibility for things I brought on myself
    There's no time like the present to start.

    but I will not carry the weight of the other people who were too immature, vain and stuck in their own worlds to even get to know and understand me.
    You don't have to. But don't expect the world to carry your weight when you are too immature, vain and stuck in your own world to get to know and understand them.

    You see? The problem is with you and your perceptions.... You've been looking in the mirror and seeing the issues, but have gotten it confused and think you've been looking out the window.

    We're all here willing to help you, as soon as you open your eyes and see the truth. Don't expect us to waste our time trying to get you to the truth if you are unwilling to accept it.
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    I'm anti social myself. AMA.
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    There are such things as telephones,why do you not try giving her a call?
    As for,"I do not have a dependency on Xanax,it`s just the only thing that really helps",Denial is not an atypical response.
    Yet again,i do understand what you are saying,i see enough of this in my job. There are other medications out there that may suprise you with their effect on your problems.

    Though it is becoming more obvious that you only want to hear,what you only want to hear.
    I hope that you are able to overcome your problems. However we are now just going round in circles. So i will wish you well and bow out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    If you are suggesting I am an addict, that is incorrect. I was on a month's supply of it and then they refused to refill it. No side effects ever came from me taking it. I took Xanax most of my teen years and never had any problems and was energetic, slept better and didn't have any anxiety.

    A contradiction is noted in your above post.....

    Xanax is addictive....that you confirm that you were on Xanax, for most of your teen years, confirms this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    A contradiction is noted in your above post.....

    Xanax is addictive....that you confirm that you were on Xanax, for most of your teen years, confirms this.
    I must say this is not a helpful understanding of addiction.

    Would you say that a type-I diabetic is addicted to insulin? To my knowledge, Xanax may be taken indefinitely, with proper medical supervision, for the conditions for which it is prescribed. That is not an example of addiction; in serving to promote some healthful function of the brain, it has continuing value.
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    DragonFire, I think this thread is a lesson in how easily online introductions can go astray. I appreciate that it might not be possible for you to go out as much as you would like to meet people, but I do think it is worth recognising that online introductions do have limitations. Perhaps it will make the experience less frustrating to know that under better conditions, it would be easier to connect with people, rather than becoming cynical about the people themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post
    oh...my...goodness, I am just racking my brain right now trying to figure out what it is I can say to get you to understand and get off this train of misunderstanding and misconstruing. I guess I can start with the Xanax thing, which I am not sure why we are still talking about this, I am not even taking that pill anymore. To keep continuing to say I'm addicted to it is quite offensive to me. I was on it from 1999-2006 and from then until just a few short months ago, I wasn't even taking it, so I don't get where the addiction aspect is, if I wasn't on it for those 6+ years and haven't had any for a few months. Let's get off that train, please.
    But you brought it up. You whined about being taken off of it. Then you claimed you had only been on it for one month. And to PROVE you weren't addicted you claimed to have been on it for most of your teen years. Classic addict denial. If it weren't an issue you wouldn't care. AND YET YOU DO. And now that you are confronted about the inconsistencies in your story you exhibit classic addict denial.

    I don't get why you keep saying I keep pushing people to accept me, have I made it clear that I am just going to ignore those people know and move on?
    And yet you don't. You keep trying to force us to accept your own lies that you tell yourself. We see through them.

    This wasn't even about trying to figure out ME, it never was.
    Oh, but it is. You opened the door when you created this thread. You posted incorrect info and asked for help. We sought to help you by first correcting your misconceptions. But you don't really want help. You want validation. That is why you aren't going to your therapist. She wont just feed your addiction so you have "no use" for her.

    I don't see why you, Willie, seem to think you're such an expert on my life and talk like I'm some sort of monster who forces people to do things.[/quote]
    I neither said nor implied you were a monster. I just stated, as others have, that you are clingy and needy. That while attempting to "impress" (your word) people you in fact repel them. Funny you should use the word monster..... All of what you are doing is classic addict denial and rationalization. You have a serious problem here and need medical help to overcome it. But you wont even be able to seek the help you need until you can accept the truth - that you do need it.

    My God, how extremely unthoughtful of you.
    Yes, it is extremely unthoughtful of me and the others to try to give you/get you to the help you need by insisting you see the truth right in front of you. All you ever really wanted was to find enablers. How cruel of us that we don't just support your addiction and be simpering little yes men. We started out trying to be gentle. Some of us have moved on to the tough love in an attempt to break down your walls, but you refuse to accept the help you originally asked for, simply because we refuse to bolster up your addict convictions.

    Fine, someone doesn't want to be my friend, I get that,
    No. You don't get it. We are all trying to be your friends. Real friends tell each other the truth, no matter what. We've been wasting our time trying to share with you the facts you need but you refuse to hear. You want what you want, no matter how destructive it is to your own life! I've been down this road with more friends than I care to remember. At least the ones who pulled through have been friends. Its amazing that when they do get their head on straight they appreciate the effort you put in to help them.


    You do not completely know me like I know me, so get that out of your head that you think you understand me and know everything about me. Goodbye to you.
    You are right we don't know YOU. And yet we have been wasting our time trying to help you. I, for one, am through. If you ever get your head on straight and want to talk, or ask advice feel free to drop me a PM and I'll do what I can to help. Otherwise, I don't know you.... And I wasted enough of my time on a stranger who doesn't even want help. Good bye to you, I pray you understand the truth before its too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragononFire View Post

    Where did this go so wrong that I am now being called a liar, an addict and vain? Is it that easy to just knock at someone anymore without even fully understanding them or even talking to them one-on-one instead of making it public? It's much too easy I think to misinterpret people online, thus how this thread became a mess.
    Clearly your well documented words on this thread had absolutely nothing to do with several members offering their tailor made advice...advice that you have requested to assist you better understand your responses to your daily challenges interacting with other human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Slightly off topic,no Dr would abruptly stop your script for sleeping aids without a very good reason. Were you taking more than the prescribed dose?
    That's not quite true. Xanax is one of those medications that has been much more heavily regulated than it was previously. I'm on several disability boards, and there's quite a few people who get confused and post asking why their doc took them off this or that medication when it was clearly helping. Xanax is one of those drugs I've been seeing mentioned repetitively. Blame the 'War on Drugs'.

    To the Op, call the social security office and use google (I'd use google first, frankly, that's where I've been finding help) to get out of the house. Getting out of the house would be the first step. And see if you can talk your doc into somthing besides xanax.

    I'd also suggest surfing around and finding other forums that discuss hobbies et cetera where you can participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I must say this is not a helpful understanding of addiction.

    Would you say that a type-I diabetic is addicted to insulin? To my knowledge, Xanax may be taken indefinitely, with proper medical supervision, for the conditions for which it is prescribed. That is not an example of addiction; in serving to promote some healthful function of the brain, it has continuing value.
    Then you should address your obvious depth of knowledge on Xanax to the OPs physician, and ask her why she prescribed Xanax for one month only, replacing it with another drug....perhaps, learning that the OP had been taking Xanax during his entire teen years.

    Xanax is highly addictive and users may abuse the drug for its fast-acting sedating and relaxing effects. The Drug Abuse Warning Network says Xanax is the most abused drug for these reasons. A physiological benzo addiction can begin with as little as two weeks use.

    Mixing Xanax, with any opiate or sleep med is a health hazard, add in alcohol and you have a recipe for complete disaster. You could go into cardiac arrest, sustain organ damage, suffer brain damage from lack of oxygen, and worst case scenario die from mixing those things together.

    Physicians are very well aware of the possible consequences for those who become Xanax dependent.

    Insulin is life sustaining, and not an anti-pyschotic drug whereas, with appropriate therapy such as CBT, the OPs condition can be ameliorated sufficiently for him not to depend on prescription drugs.

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    "Xanax is highly addictive and users may abuse the drug for its fast-acting sedating and relaxing effects. The Drug Abuse Warning Network says Xanax is the most abused drug for these reasons. A physiological benzo addiction can begin with as little as two weeks use."

    If he were abusing the drug he'd be taking way more than needed - and addicts tend to go to the emergency room or their physician and make up lies about how their meds fell down the sink. In other words, it would be noticed.

    Xanax is currently one of the meds under heavier regulation by doctors afraid of getting in trouble for giving out things that are currently under fire in the war on drugs. Makes me happy as hell my pain medication works on nerves and wouldn't be considered a pain medication if it was taken by someone without a nerve problem. That said, it doesn't work completely and some days are a hell of a lot worse than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    "Xanax is highly addictive and users may abuse the drug for its fast-acting sedating and relaxing effects. The Drug Abuse Warning Network says Xanax is the most abused drug for these reasons. A physiological benzo addiction can begin with as little as two weeks use."

    If he were abusing the drug he'd be taking way more than needed - and addicts tend to go to the emergency room or their physician and make up lies about how their meds fell down the sink. In other words, it would be noticed.

    Xanax is currently one of the meds under heavier regulation by doctors afraid of getting in trouble for giving out things that are currently under fire in the war on drugs. Makes me happy as hell my pain medication works on nerves and wouldn't be considered a pain medication if it was taken by someone without a nerve problem. That said, it doesn't work completely and some days are a hell of a lot worse than others.
    From my experience with drug addicts of all varieties, prescription meds, heroin etc. the cunning addict can develop a dependency without it being transparent to their physician......those of us familiar with addicts are able to identify the cleaver addict, most physicians do not....in this particular case the OPs physician removed him from Xanax after 30 days use...a wise decision in view of his admission to using Xanax during his entire teen years.

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    I'm used to addicts - I know whole families of them. The great bulk aren't that cunning. An addict excelates - that's what they do, because the drug becomes less and less affective. The problem is people with disabilities have to up their medication for the same reason - the drug becomes less and less affective as time wears on. When it's deemed damn near useless they ween the person and switch meds or they ween the person off the higher dosage and double the combination, adding a new one to the weened med.

    Except we're not talking about any recent significant length of time here. He was on it for most of his teen years, and he isn't a teen anymore, unless I'm mistaken. Which means he's been off it, though I don't know how long as I have no idea what his age is, which could be a factor. According to him, he'd been on it a month recently and then it was revoked. And it was used as prescribed.

    I could see a physician being leery of putting someone back on xanax after he was recently taken off by another doctor. But his doctor had his previous medical records - and she gave him the xanax anyway. Which means he probably wasn't recently taken off it.

    If he was an addict using recreationaly it would have showed because he was on it for years. At the least there would have been premature suggestions for higher dosages and you'd better believe they'd be written down, whether those higher dosages were prescribed or not. There's a general consensus in the medical field on how to up specific medications when the current dose is no longer affective. As an example, I take 1800 mil. of gabapentin. I was not originally supposed to go up that high this soon, except the next script wasn't covered by my medical - they count pills and not dosage for some damned reason. Bloody fools. Anyway, the doc upped the milligrams but not the number of pills used so my insurance would cover it. My point was his medical records will show whether he was following the dosage instructions or whether he got the er or his physician to give him extra by increasingly complicated lies. I've seen addicts do that. They can't help themselves - anything to get a little more. I'm assuming he's on disability and disability doesn't give anyone enough money to buy that kind of drug off the street in the concentration he'd need for it to be considered recreational. Hell, most places disability isn't even enough to cover rent, I'd be surprised if he had extra cash at all. It's why most of us are on food stamps. And no one is going to give the guy free drugs.
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    Besides which, does anyone else realize exactly how fucking rude it is to argue over whether some disabled person really is an addict and whether they really needs their medication?
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    Re: Odd anti-social behavior

    ^We're all speculating, as you correctly remind us....I can only respond to the information provided by the OP...which limits my input.

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