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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post

    and can't most of us agree that lying is bad no matter who's doing it?

    if "not as bad as Bush" is the only benchmark to set for Obama, he's assured of being the greatest President of all time.
    He's not, but he has done a lot, considering how much in his way the GOP has been. And so much of that has been for US. He doesn't have to be the greatest president, but he's already so far above Bush that the claim that he's the worst is laughable. And that's what Jack and been olio say.
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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    This thread is not about GWB.

    This thread is about how Obama orchestrated and created a lie about how people could keep their insurance. He knew that people would not be able to do so but created a lie and repeated it over many years. He told the lie to pass the law and get re-elected.

    If Obama were the CEO of a large company in the USA he would be under investigation by the US Justice Dept.

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    Like I said: "this isn't about GWB". The only answer. But if we made a thread about GWB, they'd turn mute and ignore it like they ignore the gay rights threads.
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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    Obama's solution : he says he will now allow people to keep their policies until after the 2014 elections i.e. the end of next year. Will enough people fall for the scam to save the Dems in Congress? I doubt it.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    it's a shame the Republicans don't actually have an alternative.

    I can think of a dozen reasons not to vote for Democrats, but I can't think of any why I'd vote for national Republicans.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    it's a shame the Republicans don't actually have an alternative.

    I can think of a dozen reasons not to vote for Democrats, but I can't think of any why I'd vote for national Republicans.
    That, if anything is where the Republicans did not capitalize on a Democratic folly. If they had a viable alternative that people liked and not just a throw away to big Pharma and the insurance companies [the most likely outcome anyways], people would actually respect them. Instead, their repeated attempts to repeal the ACA was just stupid and made them look more inept.

    The amusing part is, I get to tell my coworkers next month that their premiums are going up 9%.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    Republicans don't want to fully reform health care -- they are not interested in making health care a socialist system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Republicans don't want to fully reform health care -- they are not interested in making health care a socialist system.
    They're not interested in harming corporate profits you mean. They don't seem to be interested in anything constructive either. The US healthcare system DESPERATELY needs to be "socialist".
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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    You choose to live in a capitalist country. I'm happy I was born in one.

    We do not need socialism.

    I'm guessing the insurance company executives that met with Obama before Obamacare was written are very mad and confused at Obama right now for his strange announcement today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You choose to live in a capitalist country. I'm happy I was born in one.

    We do not need socialism.

    I'm guessing the insurance company executives that met with Obama before Obamacare was written are very mad and confused at Obama right now for his strange announcement today.
    Spare us all the ignorance please. You already have HEAPS of socialism, you just plug your ears and start screaming lalalalala when confronted with that awkward fact. Also, all the countries with socialized healthcare are capitalist countries. Your point?
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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    "Romneycare" was the Template for "Obamacare" So It is a Republican idea that Obama and the Democrats adopted and made their own.
    Only when things are going bad do Democrats bring this up, And, Forget, when it is going well.
    Also to note: The # of uninsured goes up and down as well.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by chuck10x View Post
    "Romneycare" was the Template for "Obamacare" So It is a Republican idea that Obama and the Democrats adopted and made their own.
    Only when things are going bad do Democrats bring this up, And, Forget, when it is going well.
    Also to note: The # of uninsured goes up and down as well.
    Yep and it is no coincidence that MA has the highest insurance premiums out of any state. Only place with higher insurance premiums in the US is ironically, DC.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    And yet,the Republican plan is to go back to what we had before,the health care system that cost the most and gave us the worst results.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Yep and it is no coincidence that MA has the highest insurance premiums out of any state. Only place with higher insurance premiums in the US is ironically, DC.
    Sssssshhhhhh, That's another thing no one mentions.
    As costs increase so do your Premiums, Obamacare states that 80% of premiums go toward actual Healthcare.
    After payouts and expenses, The shortfall will be passed on to the policy Holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Spare us all the ignorance please. You already have HEAPS of socialism, you just plug your ears and start screaming lalalalala when confronted with that awkward fact. Also, all the countries with socialized healthcare are capitalist countries. Your point?
    Cuba and North Korea have socialized medicine and are not Capitalist. Venezuela is rapidly sinking into Socialism.

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    • Obama knew, lied
    • Deadline to signup
    • Obama unaware of ACA provisions
    • Maternity and pregnancy coverage
    • Cost of new plans
    • Pre-existing conditions
    • Number Americans affected
    • Provider profits
    • Which states most affected
    • Questions and complaints Re: grandfathered plans
    • Concept of shared risk
    • Non-governmental control of private healthcare industry
    • Different approaches by respective political parties
    • Single payer alternative
    • Issue of subsidies for grandfathered plans
    • New policies must conform to ACA guidelines
    • Anecdotal evidence related to experiences involving health costs and insurance



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