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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    .. and millions of Americans will not have insurance next year because of him.
    Actually they will, and better. Truth hurts, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
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    What are you suggesting? Let them die in the street as quickly as possible since they're going to die anyway?


    This thread has turned into a hate the poor and the hate the President fiesta.



    Quote Originally Posted by chuck10x View Post
    One of the basic facts of Obamacare is that if you have a pre-existing condition - Your Covered. You can not be denied Insurance.
    The young and Healthy will pay more to cover the older and sick, Thats how insurance works.
    In case something should happen to you, Well, The Insurance will then work in your favor.
    Yep, that's how it works. For car insurance, fire, flood, hail, etc insurance too. I'm paying for the people who live in coastal areas but there are very few hurricanes in the midwest. State Farm wants to keep their profits high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually they will, and better. Truth hurts, I know.
    The ACA requires health insurance policies actually insure the customers. The days of selling junk policies are over. That's what so many don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually they will, and better. Truth hurts, I know.
    Lies hurt. Obama deliberately lied to pass a law. His credibility and legacy is forever harmed.

    Now it seems his PR firm -- NBC News - has an interview with him and he sort-of, kind-of apologizes for being caught lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    The ACA requires health insurance policies actually insure the customers. The days of selling junk policies are over. That's what so many don't understand.
    How many times did Obama say "you can keep your insurance" -- almost countless times.

    http://videos.nymag.com/video/If-You....."%20Supercut

    Sounds like you are calling the President a liar Bob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Lies hurt. Obama deliberately lied to pass a law. His credibility and legacy is forever harmed.

    Now it seems his PR firm -- NBC News - has an interview with him and he sort-of, kind-of apologizes for being caught lying.
    Sad, isn't it, that in order to do good in America, you're forced to lie? Republicans have destroyed the political process. Glad you see it my way.
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    Bottom line ... the POTUS is a liar and will have to live with the fact that the law that bears his name was passed and promoted through a series of deliberate lies.

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    What LAW bears his name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    It has nothing to do with either kindness or dignity. It is clear that you have no idea about how insurance works, or that the issuance of it is based on actuarial tables.

    If you want to give these people welfare, knock yourself out, but don't call it something which is clearly is not..
    Which is why healthcare shouldn't be up to private insurance to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Which is why healthcare shouldn't be up to private insurance to begin with.
    It should be left up to individuals to decide their own fates.

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    Re: WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

    The President stated he is looking at methods to get the junk insurance back into the exchanges tonight. Well whenever he interviewed with Chuck Todd. Confident that consumer if given the option of a big stinky pile of shit or a decent plan for similar prices, they will choose the better plan.

    Cathleen Sebelius is also reporting that the website - not fixed yet - has risen in production to 17,000 an hour. Additionally, the call center average wait time is 30 seconds to get your plan. The bottom line is when this thing gets fixed (meaning the website mostly), then they will easily meet their enrollment goals and this will be a non story. No doubt the republican party will run on it for the next ten years. Or More!! Still to most Americans it will be clear which party is ONLY capable of governance and which is capable of simple minded school yard name calling. Oh wait was I name calling... bwahahahaha....

    How being against the ACA will work out for republicans:



    They probably wont be wearing the 1890's era leather helmet though..... just the brain injury.

    P.s. that is Ted Cruz hitting the wall, from left to right the guy looking amazed with a "WTF" look on his face, is the republican moderates, the two on the right are democrats laughing gleefully at the lack of an opposition party......
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    It should be left up to individuals to decide their own fates.
    Laughable, as usual. You can only decide your fate if you have actual options to choose from. Right now private insurance companies and the republicans in government decide individuals' fate.
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    When the Washington Post skeptically appraises the Obama health care debacle, placing the lion's share of the blame with the White House and gives the White House a very tough three out of four Pinocchio noses as a relative lack of truthfulness and honesty with the public.. it doesn't matter at all to me about the blind support it still gets a lot here. Yep, the Republicans lie...Democrats misspeak, make little errors. The crap that is Obamacare..oh, excuse me, the "Affordable Healthcare Act" is only going to get worse as more gets implemented. It will prove to be a bureaucratic horror show...lol this website debacle is merely the dress rehearsal.

    If the Democrats had been smart, they would have started slowly and allowed a voluntary program in a few states to try to work out the best solutions. Sebelius should resign out of sheer embarrassment anyone in the White House, after being warned by the designers things were not nearly ready, simply steered full speed ahead and damn if they didn't see the iceberg!

    We need a movement of the center to get this country away from the far right and the far left who want to take over the Democratic Party. I don't want this country to be run by Tea Party reactionaries OR social engineers on the left, there is NO mandate for a Christian, "constitutional" Patriarchal conservative vision or a 'progressive", class and group oriented one. 40% of the public consider themselves centrist, not even 25% some degree of liberal, and a bit over 35% conservative. Cutting it down to the hard liners, perhaps around 10% are hard liberal-left, maybe 20% hard right. That leaves at least 70% of the people who aren't spoken for,and don't want a hard right or left turn. They want an America that works for everyone to the greatest possible extent, and while they have principles and hold opinions for the most part they seek an America whose leaders come to as much consensus as possible, and in disagreement want to keep things as civil as possible. If the parties(very much so in the GOP, increasingly so in the Democratic Party) continue to allow their activists to control the agenda and seek rigid adherence to ideology it will do nothing more but continue tearing this country apart. I don't care about the ideologists at all... I care that my country is being pulled into a battle of political wills that don't represent a nuanced understanding or appreciation of America but caricatures instead. It particularly galls me on the left because they're supposed to be the most "enlightened" They say they know what's best for us... they say there is no black and white, they say they see nuance and complexity yet are as blinded by their own ideological self assuredness as the "simpletons" on the right.

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    Problem is we are a third world country in terms of medical care.

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

    Source Link: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...46&version=NIV
    While I will stake no claims on the bible, it is true that we are judged by how we treat the least of us. The sad fact of the matter is WE are the richest country on earth and we can afford to do what every other country has done a thousand times over. In the scripture above, the King refers to the right and the left. We use those terms poorly in politics. All of the left aren't mental and neither are all of the right. What I find embarrassing and utterly dumbfounding about this country is how people can be duped into believing we can't do these things. The problem with our spending is the removing of a tax code that equally taxed based on how much a benefit you receive from our system. While numerically that amount does not equal the debt owed, it does put that moeny back into play for the middle class which is dying very rapidly. With a healthy and sustainable paid middle class, this country could easily clear the tax burden needed to afford to care for the least of us.

    It is disingenuous to claim the left has moved left in running this country. It is almost impossible to layout anything done and claim it is farther left than traditional values of either party or America. Richard Nixon KNEW the need for a healthy middle class was an absolute necessity for a sustained wealth of the nation. One of those ways was actually being physically healthy to work and grow. Had Watergate never happened, then without a doubt Nixon would have put healthcare up and passed it with republican support on a market based plan. The current market based plan was developed by republicans. It was molded into the shape it is today based off of republican input and received ZERO nay votes by republicans who implemented this law.

    No. It is abundantly clear, to anyone with eyes, that one party has warped left while another made a lane change to get closer to the median. Republicans seriously working to govern ALL of the people and not just their constituents will lead to greatness for that party, BUT that does not appear to be their logical direction in the next few years.
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    Pres. Obama is now apologizing that people misunderstood him when he said many times that people could keep their insurance.

    http://news.yahoo.com/president-obam...233753421.html

    Here is Washington Post's timeline & videos with Obama's "if you like it, you can keep it"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...eir-insurance/

    Mr. President, I was satisfied with my insurance plan and I don't want to pay over twice my previous monthly costs for my insurance, to cover things like maternity care which I will never use as a gay man. What are you going to do about it? You told me that I could keep my insurance if I liked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Mr. President, I was satisfied with my insurance plan and I don't want to pay over twice my previous monthly costs for my insurance, to cover things like maternity care which I will never use as a gay man. What are you going to do about it? You told me that I could keep my insurance if I liked it.
    You're missing the point of how insurance works. It's like saying "Mr. President, recently I was shocked to discover that car insurance covered my neighbour's minivan, when I don't even own that minivan, nor, clearly, would I ever drive one. What are you going to do about it?"

    Insurance pays for things that aren't about you, because it is about pooling risk. That is the main point of this financial product.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Laughable, as usual. You can only decide your fate if you have actual options to choose from. Right now private insurance companies and the republicans in government decide individuals' fate.
    What's laughable is the moocher mindset you display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post

    We need a movement of the center to get this country away from the far right and the far left who want to take over the Democratic Party. I don't want this country to be run by Tea Party reactionaries OR social engineers on the left, there is NO mandate for a Christian, "constitutional" Patriarchal conservative vision or a 'progressive", class and group oriented one. 40% of the public consider themselves centrist, not even 25% some degree of liberal, and a bit over 35% conservative. Cutting it down to the hard liners, perhaps around 10% are hard liberal-left, maybe 20% hard right. That leaves at least 70% of the people who aren't spoken for,and don't want a hard right or left turn. They want an America that works for everyone to the greatest possible extent, and while they have principles and hold opinions for the most part they seek an America whose leaders come to as much consensus as possible, and in disagreement want to keep things as civil as possible. If the parties(very much so in the GOP, increasingly so in the Democratic Party) continue to allow their activists to control the agenda and seek rigid adherence to ideology it will do nothing more but continue tearing this country apart. I don't care about the ideologists at all... I care that my country is being pulled into a battle of political wills that don't represent a nuanced understanding or appreciation of America but caricatures instead. It particularly galls me on the left because they're supposed to be the most "enlightened" They say they know what's best for us... they say there is no black and white, they say they see nuance and complexity yet are as blinded by their own ideological self assuredness as the "simpletons" on the right.

    Well we can't afford EITHER as a country.
    You have to be kidding if you think Obama or the current Democrats are hard left! I realize there certainly are far left organizations but they are far from in control or becoming into control unlike the slick shit tea baggers and extreme right wing both in power and the leaders blasting on cable TV and AM farmer radio stations 24/7.
    The white house doesn't take its stance based on MSNBC big Al show. The hard right certainly does from the tub a lard blow hards both in commercial media and the pulpit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    What's laughable is the moocher mindset you display.
    Mooching from whom? You are saying people that if they are sick and can't afford the US exuberant costs of treatment, they should die. And then you're making it to be about mooching? What planet did you land from? O.o

    Also, in making fun of my mindset, you actually avoided answering my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    .. and millions of Americans will not have insurance next year because of him.
    ??? That's a rather wild assertion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So people with terminal diseases don't deserve kindness and dignity. Got ya.

    Not all pre-existing conditions are terminal. In fact most aren't. Yet you still want to deny them insurance. Why?
    Profit.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    If you want to give these people welfare, knock yourself out, but don't call it something which is clearly is not..
    Tell that to the Republicans who conceived this joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    What's laughable is the moocher mindset you display.
    Accepting that definition for the sake of argument....

    it's preferable to the rapist mindset the right displays.
    Last edited by Kulindahr; November 8th, 2013 at 01:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What if the government decided to pick out what car was best for you -- you no longer have a choice.
    Not even comparable -- though OTOH, this business of letting the government decide what issues are about health could lead to that.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    ^^^

    The Administration decided back in 2010 that some people make bad purchases of health insurance and that they, the Administration, know better often costing the individual more. The comparison of the government deciding what car you should own is spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    The Administration decided back in 2010 that some people make bad purchases of health insurance and that they, the Administration, know better often costing the individual more. The comparison of the government deciding what car you should own is spot on.
    It actually borders on mental deficiency. People who buy cars actually have only to deal with themselves, their own needs and their knowledge of cars. Insurance - ANY insurance - has to deal with EVERYONE, not to mention that most regular folks don't know anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    You're missing the point of how insurance works. It's like saying "Mr. President, recently I was shocked to discover that car insurance covered my neighbour's minivan, when I don't even own that minivan, nor, clearly, would I ever drive one. What are you going to do about it?"

    Insurance pays for things that aren't about you, because it is about pooling risk. That is the main point of this financial product.
    You pay for that pooling effect in all insurance products. It is how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    You pay for that pooling effect in all insurance products. It is how it works.
    Well ideally you would be able to pool risk only with people whose illnesses you approve of, so that the other people could go and die by themselves without any help.

    That is ideal....isn't it???
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It actually borders on mental deficiency. People who buy cars actually have only to deal with themselves, their own needs and their knowledge of cars. Insurance - ANY insurance - has to deal with EVERYONE, not to mention that most regular folks don't know anything about it.
    You are totally missing the point. Stubborn?

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    I prefer to think of it as perceptive.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    I'll refer to it as your party loyalism to the detriment of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's a pile of crap. It's only redeeming quality is that it's somewhat of an improvement over what we had.
    It was poorly thought out and implemented, You can not rush out a complete Reform of Health Insurance and not expect some serious problems.
    The Insurance Policies being cancelled were not all lousy, Obama actually said "MOST" of the Policies were lousy.
    He is now trying to have some of those Policies "Grandfathered" in.
    The cost of the Plans given on the website are only "estimates" While many will get an affordable policy, More are in for sticker shock as they see policies "Double" what they have been paying.

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    ^^

    A big part of the problem is Sebelius. Kitty Kat's focus as HHS Secretary was to implement Obama's radical abortion policy but with Obamacare her priorities were shifted. She's not capable of orchestrating a revision of 1/5th of the American economy.

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    Still it is the only plan in town, the republican party has oft said they would replace it but NEVER EVER EVER offer a plan that Americans could consider. Isnt it sad when one party abdicates their duites in this country? So Sad...

    The other sad fact is eventually it will work and millions more will be insured... hell tens of millions more than had to change their plans. But republicans don't really give a shit about that, in fact you will never hear them mention a single breath about the massive group of Americans they prefer to die than to give medical care.
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    The first one is a reply to the ACA that keeps all the items that poll well in America and offers ZERO details on how they would do such a thing as "ask pretty please for the states to pick up the tab... we all know the states are broke and we would have more than the current thirty nine refusing to play ball.

    The second is a broken link, but to be fair that probably accurately describes the plan you were trying to float.

    The third link is a listing of congressional bills with no specificity. While I applaud your recognition of where laws come from it still represents no health care bill. It does represent an obstructive republican party controlling the house, stopping progress and hurting America..... so in that vein it does represent a republican plan.

    The fourth link timed out. Which is a great way to explain what is happening to the republican party. Time has moved on and they have been left out.

    The fifth and final link is a folly of errors similar to the previous four..... are you taking hints from republicans and figure if you post the same broken link over and over it will mean something? If so, then by my count you have 38 more links to post to hit 43 useless attempts to NOT provide health care but pretend real nice like you are.....

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    Not even ONE of those links works for me.

    It's actually a rather profound statement of what Republicans are offering in the way of healthcare. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

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    Bill Clinton said yesterday that Obama should own up to his lie and make good on his promise of people being able to keep their insurance. It's humorous that Clinton who told his share of lies in the 90's would tell Obama to tell the truth.

    Obamacare is huge mess. Huge programs that affect so much of the US economy should not be passed by a one party vote. The confusion is going to get worse. The web site is corrupt and not safe to enter personal information. Americans will only have 2 weeks to purchase insurance ... that is if the web site is actually working and secure.

    Obamacare is a MESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Bill Clinton said yesterday that Obama should own up to his lie and make good on his promise of people being able to keep their insurance. It's humorous that Clinton who told his share of lies in the 90's would tell Obama to tell the truth.

    Obamacare is huge mess. Huge programs that affect so much of the US economy should not be passed by a one party vote. The confusion is going to get worse. The web site is corrupt and not safe to enter personal information. Americans will only have 2 weeks to purchase insurance ... that is if the web site is actually working and secure.

    Obamacare is a MESS.
    It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
    Nonsense. Republicans fought the enactment tooth and nail. This is a Democrat mess and the people will not allow you to lie out of it as usual. The big question is how soon enough Dems will join in the effort to repeal it.
    Last edited by Benvolio; November 14th, 2013 at 03:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
    You've pushed this lie about Obamacare being a bipartisan law before. It's a lie and you know it.

    Senate vote:
    On December 23, the Senate voted 60–39 to end debate on the bill: a cloture vote to end the filibuster by opponents. The bill then passed by a vote of 60–39 on December 24, 2009, with all Democrats and two independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against (except for Jim Bunning, who did not vote).[101] The bill was endorsed by the AMA and AARP.[102]
    House vote:
    The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it.[117]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
    it was a Republican idea... that doesn't make it bipartisan, it makes it a bad, poorly thought-out idea

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    Obama is going to try to cover his ass this morning. I suppose he'll try to extend the pain beyond the 2014 election.

    What a mess.

    What idiot made up the story about this man being the smartest man in the room.
    Last edited by Jack Springer; November 14th, 2013 at 07:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    it was a Republican idea... that doesn't make it bipartisan, it makes it a bad, poorly thought-out idea
    Some tiny portion of it may have been thought of by a few alleged Republicans, but the statute is 2000 pages of Democrat crap, larded with 11 million words of regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Some tiny portion of it may have been thought of by a few alleged Republicans, but the statute is 2000 pages of Democrat crap, larded with 11 million words of regulations.
    I thought is was 11 billion.

    After the software problem is solved, there will be many more signups.

    If my memory serves me correctly, former Pres. Bush (43) lied about WMD in order to invade Iraq. When the ACA problem is corrected, we'll have 30 million people more who will be insured. The nearly 5,000 dead kids that Bush was responsible for will still be dead.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I thought is was 11 billion.

    After the software problem is solved, there will be many more signups.

    If my memory serves me correctly, former Pres. Bush (43) lied about WMD in order to invade Iraq. When the ACA problem is corrected, we'll have 30 million people more who will be insured. The nearly 5,000 dead kids that Bush was responsible for will still be dead.
    what does Iraq and the failures of GWB have to do with the ACA, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    … 11 million words of regulations.
    If every single word is included (titles, tables of contents, etc.) the count is 363,086.

    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act equals roughly one-half of one percent of the number of words contained in the United States Code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    If every single word is included (titles, tables of contents, etc.) the count is 363,086.

    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act equals roughly one-half of one percent of the number of words contained in the United States Code.
    Bureaucracies in the Obama Administration have thus far published approximately 11,588,500 words of final Obamacare regulations, while there are only 381,517 words in the Obamacare law itself. - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penn....4qyv9eIv.dpuf
    11 Million words is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I thought is was 11 billion.

    After the software problem is solved, there will be many more signups.

    If my memory serves me correctly, former Pres. Bush (43) lied about WMD in order to invade Iraq. When the ACA problem is corrected, we'll have 30 million people more who will be insured. The nearly 5,000 dead kids that Bush was responsible for will still be dead.
    How many signup's can you do in two weeks when people are still scared that the site is not safe?

    It's a much bigger mess than you can coverup with your excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    If every single word is included (titles, tables of contents, etc.) the count is 363,086.

    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act equals roughly one-half of one percent of the number of words contained in the United States Code.
    No, the STATUTE is 381,517 words, but the REGULATIONS, are 11, 588,500 words and counting. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penn...s-30x-long-law

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    what does iraq and the failures of gwb have to do with the aca, though?
    Lying to the American people.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Lying to the American people.
    and can't most of us agree that lying is bad no matter who's doing it?

    if "not as bad as Bush" is the only benchmark to set for Obama, he's assured of being the greatest President of all time.

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