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    Update on my new job/career

    So, I've been working for 2 weeks now. The first week was a typical 40hr work week. Then all of the sudden they hit me with extra work loads in the 2nd week. This past week, I worked for 13 hours a day, totaling in about 60 hours for the week. I get paid over time, so no problem. And I actually like my job, so the time actually go by very quickly.

    At the end of the week, I was told the reason why I got extra work loads.

    See, this engineering firm hired 2 of us at the same time. The other guy started a couple weeks before me. He actually came more highly recommended than me. Straight out of college kid with internship background in another company. Claimed to know everything and needed minimal training. I came from IT computer programming background, so they thought they'd have to spend a lot of time training me in engineering. When they asked if I had any internship experience, I said no. The only reason they hired me was because soon they will be needing someone to translate data from one program to the other.

    So, the first week they trained me to do mostly office stuff in the engineer office. Then when I came into the office on Monday, they gave me my own work station and gave me new assignments plus the old ones. The old ones were just design stuff with data translation. The new assignments include construction management. On every construction site, there is always at least 1 engineer present to make the decisions and sign off on people's work hours so they get paid. Holy cow, they were training me to be that on site engineer.

    By Thursday, they stopped checking in on me and let me do my own thing. So, my routine now is apparently construction from 6:30 to 3-4:30 and then I would go back to the office to do paperwork and design until 7 or so. Right before I left the office yesterday (Friday), I had a talk with the chief engineer in the office. This is what I found out.

    They canned the guy that they hired right before me (the guy that came more highly recommended). Got good grades and everything with internship experience, but he didn't know how to do jack shit in the field. They tried to train him for 3 weeks and by the end of the week they still needed to hold his hands with everything. All his work had major mistakes in them. So, when he came in on the 4th week they canned him and dumped all his assignments onto me. Toward the end of my 2nd week (1st week with the new assignments), they're already letting me work on my own without a senior engineer evaluating me.

    After work everyday, I've been working on a computer program that makes my job a lot easier. I wasn't going to show my boss this, but after he told me what was going on and that they're making me a full engineer instead of just a guy that translates data for them, I showed him my half finished computer program. It scans the plans and prints out what we need to find. So, instead of spending 3 hours manually reading the plans like I'd been doing, the program does it for me. My boss was very happy and gave me his official endorsement. I can now work on the program at work and get paid for it. He also gave me company files to include in the program. Since I'm writing the program in javascript, it is compatible with windows, iOS, and android. He said if my program works out and checks out, he'll buy everyone in the office a tablet so they can do the work on the field.

    So, that's what my 2nd week ended with

    Got 60 hours in this past week. Lots of overtime pay. Unlike my old IT job that paid you annually so you can work for like 70 hours a week and you still get paid the same as a 40 hour week. It was annoying because at times they really put me to work.

    Anyway, I found out that when you really like your job the day goes by very fast. It really did not feel like 60 hours.

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    Congratulations on getting a job you love and excel at. Being paid well is a happy bonus, eh? You proved yourself while the other guy failed to do it, even though more qualified. The cream always rises to the top.


    Continued good luck with the career!
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    Congratulations. Is it common in engineering to be paid on an hourly basis rather than salary now?

    You indeed do sound perfect for the work.

    I'm sorry to learn the young man failed. It is disheartening to prepare for a career and then learn you aren't suited. Maybe he was the son of an engineer? I hope he finds satisfying work he is suited for and that he isn't too devastated. Being fired must be a crushing blow.

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    Deja, don't be too disheartened by the young man that failed, sometimes a reality check is needed and in engineering there are tons of different avenues. Perhaps the one he started with was not the path for that man. Best to find out early than after a five year investment.

    Awesome for you Zombie. If feels good to make an impact and be valued at what ya do. Seems like you are looking for ways to make that long overtime work into smarter and shorter time frames. That should leave time for you to make more improvements and climb that ladder. Very happy for you. There is nothing at all in the world like making an impact whether it is work or charity or personal life.... nothing at all like it.
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    Congratulations. It's good to hear good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Congratulations. Is it common in engineering to be paid on an hourly basis rather than salary now?
    Yes. Engineering isn't a typical office job. Often times, the engineer(s) that do the designing need to be out in the field to really know what's going on with the scenes. Engineers who only work in the office are due to fail. The engineering firm I work for is one of the biggest kids in the state, if not the biggest. And the company recently, like last week, received first place award from the state for the best work done with best quality.

    What the typical engineer does is work a combination of design and construction management during the warm months, and just sit in the office doing design in the winter months. That's what I'll be doing when snow and ice hits.

    You indeed do sound perfect for the work.
    Well, I'm versatile. They really should have considered that before they labeled me as beneath that guy straight out of college. I've been a cop and an IT professional specializing in computer programming. And yet the college kid straight out of engineering school got a higher recommendation than me.

    I'm sorry to learn the young man failed. It is disheartening to prepare for a career and then learn you aren't suited. Maybe he was the son of an engineer? I hope he finds satisfying work he is suited for and that he isn't too devastated. Being fired must be a crushing blow.
    I feel sorry for him, too. According to my boss, his resume was very impressive to look at. The company really thought they hit the jackpot with this one. Unfortunately, it was a case of book smart with no common sense.

    Reminds me of this guy I was in school with. Graduated with a 3.9/4.0. Very impressive, right? We worked in a research lab together. Unknown to everyone else, I was the guy who tutored him with the work. He had a lot of trouble applying what he learned in school in real life. And this was a research lab, which wasn't really real life either.

    Being fired after your 3rd week because you couldn't do your job is probably the worst thing that could happen to a person. I really really hope he figures out what to do next.

    I called up my brother asking him about it last night. My brother is a chief engineer in a company in another state. He's like 20 years older than me. He told me that usually a company would try to give a young engineer a chance more than just 3 weeks. They must have not seen a possibility for improvement or perhaps he screwed up something really bad. Imagine going in on Monday and being escorted out in a morning hour. That's a shock I don't ever wanna experience.

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    Dang 3 weeks is not long for much of a chance. It kind of makes you wonder what kind of internship he had. If the work there related to the work they expected of him at that position. People can look great on paper but turn out not to be the best fit for the position. Honestly on paper I actually look like a horrible fit for the engineering job I have, but I think I got my job because I interned for the company for a year and a half straight and they knew my work ethic and what I was capable of. I am very appreciative of them giving me a chance and love my job.

    Also I wish I got paid overtime.
    Last edited by vater292; October 19th, 2013 at 10:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vater292 View Post
    Dang 3 weeks is not long for much of a chance. It kind of makes you wonder what kind of internship he had. If the work there related to the work they expected of him at that position. People can look great on paper but turn out not to be the best fit for the position. Honestly on paper I actually look like a horrible fit for the engineering job I have, but I think I got my job because I interned for the company for a year and a half straight and they knew my work ethic and what I was capable of. I am very appreciative of them giving me a chance and love my job.

    Also I wish I got paid overtime.
    Yeah, a lot of professionals look down on hourly pay for some reason. I think it's great. My previous long term job was a set yearly salary. No matter how much time and work I put in, got paid the same. In this job, my hourly pay is already pretty hefty. With overtime, I'm expecting a big fat pay check

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Being fired after your 3rd week because you couldn't do your job is probably the worst thing that could happen to a person.
    You haven't hit the three week mark yet, have you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Yeah, a lot of professionals look down on hourly pay for some reason. I think it's great. My previous long term job was a set yearly salary. No matter how much time and work I put in, got paid the same. In this job, my hourly pay is already pretty hefty. With overtime, I'm expecting a big fat pay check
    I would agree with that from what I have seen. When the work is definitely there and the hours are pretty much guaranteed hourly rocks, because of the overtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    You haven't hit the three week mark yet, have you?
    Nope, but considering they stopped watching me and have taken the leash off plus they've given me my own workspace, I'm pretty sure I'm good for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Nope, but considering they stopped watching me and have taken the leash off plus they've given me my own workspace, I'm pretty sure I'm good for now.
    What if they're just telling you the same lies they told him? Just how many were there before you and that graduate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Yeah, a lot of professionals look down on hourly pay for some reason.
    You are right. It is a holdover from class divisions.

    In this day of employers doing everything they can to cut benefits, understaff, and demand inordinate amounts of online training and such, I believe the who notion of salary is headed for the rubbish bin.

    Can you imagine what would happen to the teaching profession if they were paid by the hour instead of being duped into being some kind of secular nuns or believing that the "profession" afforded a type of social status? Teachers would finally join the middle class without having to marry into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    What if they're just telling you the same lies they told him? Just how many were there before you and that graduate?
    You are absolutely right. But trust me, I have an insider informant from the other office where that guy resided. He never got his own workspace. For all 3 weeks, he had a senior engineer constantly watching him. All his work were double checked by other people right to the end.

    I started working on my own on Wednesday. They gave me my own workspace. I've been signing all the paperwork without a co-signer. And now, I'm being paid by the company to work on the computer program project I personally started. And they stopped checking my measurements and calculations.

    The insider informant I was speaking of works in the HR office. I know this guy on a personal level. He will definitely tell me if he hears something bad. So far, he's heard nothing but good things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    You are right. It is a holdover from class divisions.

    In this day of employers doing everything they can to cut benefits, understaff, and demand inordinate amounts of online training and such, I believe the who notion of salary is headed for the rubbish bin.

    Can you imagine what would happen to the teaching profession if they were paid by the hour instead of being duped into being some kind of secular nuns or believing that the "profession" afforded a type of social status? Teachers would finally join the middle class without having to marry into it.
    Back when I was still in IT full time, I was paid a set salary. But I was on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week to maintain the server and client support. There were times when I was not doing anything but work for several weeks at a time.

    I've been there. Just because you get paid a yearly salary doesn't mean your job is "better". In fact, the employer will have more incentive to work you to death instead of hiring a helper.

    In fact, that happened to my friend. When the economy got hit, his company laid off half of his developing team. But the workload was the same. His fiancÚ at the time told me that he didn't do anything but work work work. He hated his life. Was all stressed out. Again, if you get paid the same regardless of how much time and work you put into it, why not work you to death?

    With my company, I've been putting in a lot of hours, but I get properly compensated for it. And they have no incentive to work me to death.
    Last edited by zombiekiller; October 19th, 2013 at 11:47 AM.

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    Congrats, now go buy me something nice with that overtime pay.

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    Congrats, now go buy me something nice with that overtime pay.
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    Congrats on finding a position that you truly love! It has been my experience that college does not prepare you for real life applications in your career. It's quite disappointing because you pay an exponential amount of money for an education that, in reality, you may never use. On the job training seems to be the best way to go in many aspects. However, you do need the background knowledge that college does offer. I guess it's a catch 22...

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    Do I get like a bj in return? I love those.
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    This is the 21st century. Be free spirited, man. Here, you can have my b/f for the night...

    Ok, he just said no. Nevermind.
    No i didn't, i just said you'd have to buy me something from Prada.

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    Congratulations of finding a job that you like and are getting stuck into. I hope you fly high.

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    I guess it is somehow weird, but this is what surprised me most about the thread
    There's a reason why this hasn't been done before. The program I'm working on does calculations to check the design against the actual structure, which required an engineer to verify. That's also the easy part. The hard part comes in when every situation is different. We're not talking about a simple if then statement.

    This is why so far everything is done by hand. It requires an engineer's evaluation of the site.

    This is why traditionally everything is done by hand. Sketch sheet + pencil + calculator. Hopefully, this will change in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Yeah, a lot of professionals look down on hourly pay for some reason. I think it's great. My previous long term job was a set yearly salary. No matter how much time and work I put in, got paid the same. In this job, my hourly pay is already pretty hefty. With overtime, I'm expecting a big fat pay check
    Is there a fixed limit to the amount of overtime you can put in for, like in terms of tax laws and things? Not to mention that if you're putting in for 50% or more in overtime, they're overworking you BIG time and need a rethink and/or more staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    So, I've been working for 2 weeks now. The first week was a typical 40hr work week. Then all of the sudden they hit me with extra work loads in the 2nd week. This past week, I worked for 13 hours a day, totaling in about 60 hours for the week. I get paid over time, so no problem. And I actually like my job, so the time actually go by very quickly.

    At the end of the week, I was told the reason why I got extra work loads.

    See, this engineering firm hired 2 of us at the same time. The other guy started a couple weeks before me. He actually came more highly recommended than me. Straight out of college kid with internship background in another company. Claimed to know everything and needed minimal training. I came from IT computer programming background, so they thought they'd have to spend a lot of time training me in engineering. When they asked if I had any internship experience, I said no. The only reason they hired me was because soon they will be needing someone to translate data from one program to the other.

    So, the first week they trained me to do mostly office stuff in the engineer office. Then when I came into the office on Monday, they gave me my own work station and gave me new assignments plus the old ones. The old ones were just design stuff with data translation. The new assignments include construction management. On every construction site, there is always at least 1 engineer present to make the decisions and sign off on people's work hours so they get paid. Holy cow, they were training me to be that on site engineer.

    By Thursday, they stopped checking in on me and let me do my own thing. So, my routine now is apparently construction from 6:30 to 3-4:30 and then I would go back to the office to do paperwork and design until 7 or so. Right before I left the office yesterday (Friday), I had a talk with the chief engineer in the office. This is what I found out.

    They canned the guy that they hired right before me (the guy that came more highly recommended). Got good grades and everything with internship experience, but he didn't know how to do jack shit in the field. They tried to train him for 3 weeks and by the end of the week they still needed to hold his hands with everything. All his work had major mistakes in them. So, when he came in on the 4th week they canned him and dumped all his assignments onto me. Toward the end of my 2nd week (1st week with the new assignments), they're already letting me work on my own without a senior engineer evaluating me.

    After work everyday, I've been working on a computer program that makes my job a lot easier. I wasn't going to show my boss this, but after he told me what was going on and that they're making me a full engineer instead of just a guy that translates data for them, I showed him my half finished computer program. It scans the plans and prints out what we need to find. So, instead of spending 3 hours manually reading the plans like I'd been doing, the program does it for me. My boss was very happy and gave me his official endorsement. I can now work on the program at work and get paid for it. He also gave me company files to include in the program. Since I'm writing the program in javascript, it is compatible with windows, iOS, and android. He said if my program works out and checks out, he'll buy everyone in the office a tablet so they can do the work on the field.

    So, that's what my 2nd week ended with

    Got 60 hours in this past week. Lots of overtime pay. Unlike my old IT job that paid you annually so you can work for like 70 hours a week and you still get paid the same as a 40 hour week. It was annoying because at times they really put me to work.

    Anyway, I found out that when you really like your job the day goes by very fast. It really did not feel like 60 hours.
    Congratulation on your new career and I am so happy for you! Its always great when you like your job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post

    You are right. It is a holdover from class divisions.

    In this day of employers doing everything they can to cut benefits, understaff, and demand inordinate amounts of online training and such, I believe the who notion of salary is headed for the rubbish bin.

    Can you imagine what would happen to the teaching profession if they were paid by the hour instead of being duped into being some kind of secular nuns or believing that the "profession" afforded a type of social status? Teachers would finally join the middle class without having to marry into it.
    Hourly can be awesome, especially for project based work where the company is billing out your time by the hour. Plenty of companies would want you to do similar hours without overtime on salary.
    Getting paid hourly can add 50% plus in some industries to your pay over the going salary rate.
    It also means you're more likely to be retained, albeit for less pay, rather than fired if the company hits a quiet patch. Pros and cons there
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    If you created and designed this program, they should pay you to install it on other employees tablets, computers. It is your intellectual property, if it does indeed half or even quarter the amount of labor time involved they will be very interested in it.

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