The system we have now depends on private insurance being very expensive, so that it can cover the non-insured patients in the system. There will be a lot of people who will "lose" under Obamacare, in the sense that their personal costs will go up. This will mostly be poor and lower middle class people, who do not currently have any insurance. But, on average, most people who have healthcare now will pay less. Rich people will pay a lot less, since they will be subsidizing the care of fewer patients.
Obamacare accomplishes with healthcare expenses exactly what the GWB administration was trying to accomplish with taxes - shift the burden for costs proportionately more onto the poor and middle class. Obamacare was designed by the Heritage Foundation with this very goal in mind. It should be a tea party Republican's dream healthcare plan. Except, of course, for the fact that a black man got it passed.
I take it, then, that you are now a fan of Obamacare.
Last edited by T-Rexx; October 24th, 2013 at 11:49 AM.
So Jack you are against capitalism?
Once again you failed to identify a SINGLE SOURCE to show that the ACA will cause higher premiuns and actual looks at the exhanges have resulted in reduced cost for everyone who has insurance. Obviously those having to get insurance that did not have it will have an increase in cost but that simply means WE will not pay for their health care via the emergency room. Someone always pays.
Only 6 people 'signed up' for the PPACA the first day.
39,000 people are needed every day to meet the $$$ requirements.
From the big grown up Governor of Kentucky...
Hmmmmmmmmmm...... if one state is capable of signing up 1000 a day..... and, and, and, there are fifty states....."We're signing up people at roughly a thousand a day. It's a great rate and a great success so far," he said on CNN's "New Day." [...]
Asked about Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, Kentucky's two senators and staunch opponents of Obamacare, the governor said critics of the law "are not paying attention to the facts" and they "weave a web of misinformation."
His piece of advice?
"Take a deep breath. You know, this system is going to work. The only thing that really isn't working right now on the federal level is the website," he told CNN's Chris Cuomo. "I'll guarantee you that whether it's a week from now, a month from now, two months from now, they'll get it up and they'll get it working. People will be signing up."
What is sad is Jack you will never return to this thread to post that the numbers are being met with a vengeance, you know once the website is fixed.... betcha a dollar you are off to some other misinformed cry fest.
What is truly sad, this is law of america and it helps Americans and republican are on record wishing, hoping and praying it fails. They havent changed since 2001, they want America to fail. Perhaps they are talibangelicals.... I mean Bush was in bed with the Bin Laden family... maybe the whole party is for the destruction of capitalistic democracy. They say judge a man by his actions not his words, by that measure it is true that republicans want to destroy our way of life.
Why doesn't the Administration tell us how many are signing up?
I'm all for affordable insurance however my understanding is that the quote you receive on the healthcare.gov site only reflect 27yo and 50 yo rates. The quotes are not accurate.
Whatever.... I will be glad to tell you what I am paying come January 2014.
BTW if they did average ages there are five selections to choose from so 27 and 50 does not jive. So then your, you heard it source?
Health plan information for individuals and families
The table below lists all health plans available in states where the federal government is operating the Marketplace. This tool allows you to survey plans and prices outside the Marketplace application …
The table below shows premiums for the following rating scenarios:
- Adult individual = age 27
- Adult individual = age 50
- Family = 2 adults age 30, 2 children
- Family single parent = 1 adult age 30, 2 children
- Couple = 2 adults age 40, no children
- Child = 1 child any age
… These examples are offered for comparison purposes only. When an individual provides household and income information on the Marketplace application, the applicant’s specific age, household makeup, and smoking status will be used to determine premium costs.
I stand corrected. I still doubt it will be significantly different once I sign my mom up in a few days when i go home for her birthday and Thanksgiving. I stand by my theory that Jack will refuse to come back and admit the numbers are out performing requirements once the system is properly running for the recalcitrant states.
Thanks for the link Opi...
I'm sure the numbers signing up will go up. People have to get insurance or pay a tax.
However, I still find it amazing the arrogance of starting a program when they knew the web site wouldn't work and then the American people learning that the President had lied about keeping your insurance and doctor. The Administration expected the MSM to protect them as they have throughout the last 6 years -- and some have.
'The Mess' gets bigger and more complicated.
Small companies enrollment delayed by one year.
The Obama administration today announced a one year delay of online enrollment for small businesses looking to purchase health coverage through federal Obamacare exchanges, another high-profile setback for HealthCare.gov.
It’s the second delay for online small business enrollment, which the administration had said would begin this month.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...#ixzz2lsUZOtvj
This is what happens when you try to change everything all at once.
Oh -- and when you hire someone who's already failed at government contracts previously.....
"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
*the number is now forty
Maybe a lesson about a new immigration policy should be learned here. You can't change everything at one time -- things have to 'evolve'.
Craziness continues at HHS.
New 'rules' release by Kitty Kat.
U.S. Department of Health & Human Services News Division [Phone Number: Removed] [Email Address: Removed] www.hhs.gov/news
EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE 4:15 p.m. EST Thursday, December 12, 2013
Administration takes steps to ensure Americans signing up through the Marketplace have coverage and access to the care they need on January 1
Today, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced additional steps to help ensure consumers who are seeking health insurance through the Health Insurance Marketplace smoothly transition to coverage that best fits their needs. We will continue to look for additional steps we can take to make this process easier for consumers. The steps taken today include:
1. Requiring insurers to accept payment through December 31 for coverage that will begin January 1, and urging issuers to give consumers additional time to pay their first month’s premium and still have coverage beginning January 1, 2014.
2. Giving people enrolled in the federal Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) the chance to extend their coverage through January 31, 2014 if they haven’t already selected a new plan. PCIP is a transitional bridge program that provides people with health conditions who could otherwise be shut out of the insurance market or charged more because of their pre-existing condition quality, affordable health insurance until options become available in the Marketplaces. The additional month gives this vulnerable population additional time to enroll in a plan and ensure continuity of coverage.
3. Formalizing the previously announced decision giving individuals until December 23, instead of December 15, to sign up for health insurance coverage in the Marketplaces that would begin January 1.
4. Strongly encouraging insurers to treat out-of-network providers as in-network to ensure continuity of care for acute episodes or if the provider was listed in their plan’s provider directory as of the date of an enrollee’s enrollment.
5. Strongly encouraging insurers to refill prescriptions covered under previous plans during January. “We are providing additional flexibility to consumers across the country to ensure they have access to coverage options that begin on January 1, 2014,” said
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen
Source Link to Full Version of Press Release: http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2013pr...20131212a.html
Can it become a bigger mess ... the sad thing is that it will. They have no idea what they are doing.
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The problems with the roll out are red meat for the conservative opposition, but they are temporary growing pains that will soon look like outdated criticisms once people have figured out what to do and the numbers of newly insured greatly outnumber those whom have lost their substandard care. There is no question that healthcare standards have thrown some people for a loop. I'm sure building standards do the same for builders, but usually there are grandfather clauses. There probably should have been this time. It is also unfortunate that the administration waited so long to support education campaigns.
Last edited by Alnitak; December 12th, 2013 at 05:10 PM.
That is only the beginning of the problem. Most of the people who have signed up to date are for Medicaid, the free part.
Meanwhile federal regulations have forced the termination of millions of policies, but new policies are blocked by the computer glitch.
Most Americans do not want Obamacare and they may end up with nothing.
Last edited by Alnitak; December 12th, 2013 at 06:37 PM.
Obamacare is a mess and no one is in charge.
I always thought there should be risk pools by age group, including everybody who is alive and chooses to buy insurance. Somebody 36 years old should not be paying the same insurance rates as somebody 63 years old.
Somebody living independently at 19, having to pay the same insurance as somebody who's three weeks away from Medicare, is not going to encourage young (and, therefore, usually healthy) people to sign up.
"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -The Scarecrow, THE WIZARD OF OZ, 1939
Boss, to Sue: "Sorry, we have to downsize, and I need to lay you and Jack off." Sue to boss: "Can you just jack off? I have a headache today."
Make, for a man, a fire - and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man afire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
"Insurance" for someone already sick is not really insurance, it is more like charity. Sick people cannot pay a premium commensurate with the risk, because it would have to be as high as the expense of the care. The entire purpose of forcing people to buy obama care policies is to generate extra revenue for the insurance companies from which they can "insure" the sick. The extra revenue must come from from charging healthy people inflated premiums disproportionate to the their risk.
Of course, many of the healthy people cannot pay such high premiums, so the government will provide subsidies, ostensibly by taxing people, who presumably are already paying for their own insurance. We have to assume that the half or more of the country which pays no income tax will also be deemed to be entitled to the subsidy, while the half that pays income tax will by expected to pay for their own insurance, (at the inflated premiums to pay for preexisting ), plus, by taxes, pick up the subsides for the other half that gets the free ride.
Actually, of course the government plans to borrow the amount of the subsidies, in addition to our already trillion a year borrowing--until the Chinese spring the trap, say "no more", and the entire house of cards collapses.
Last edited by Benvolio; December 13th, 2013 at 05:43 AM.