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    Obamacare and the Horror Stories

    I was waiting ever so patiently for this truth to roll out. In an article on HuffPo was referenced a Fact Check done by a actual journalist on Sean Hannity.... The original piece was completed on Salon so I Linked that article....

    Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare




    The main gist was captured in a tweet I read on HuffPo....

    If ObamaCare is so Horrible then WHY do Fox and Hannity have to manufacture horror stories from people who would benefit from the ACA program IF they actually participated.

    I suspect there will be losers financially with the ACA but overall the end game will be the program actually helping many folks. So I suspect more of these fraudulent stories will emerge.

    The only albatross you could hang around the next Democratic Presidential Candidate, in the current environment, would be a bumbling and stumbling ACA fully endorsed by that candidate and two years of pain felt by Americans.
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    How did the author of the article shop for insurance for someone else without committing fraud?

    Is Eric Stein one of the 'journalists' that are being paid to write positive pieces about the PPACA?

    One of the couples that was interviewed in the article responded in a comment ... the author conveniently left out portions of the conversation to make Obamacare look good.

    The real horror story is that the web site does not work after what must be over a billion dollars spent on it now and how information collected is not secure.

    As I've said for a long time ... it's a mess.

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    As of yesterday, in the 14 states reporting to the CNN poll 257,000 people have signed up. The expectation is that 500,000 families and individuals will have signed up by the end of this month.

    Poor Jack. Why do you not want people to be able to get healthcare?

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    Re: Obamacare and the Horror Stories

    This American is so happy that he now has dual British citizenship I do not pay for anything at some of the finest medical facilities in the world. My Doctor requies that I see him very 6 months if I have no need to see him in between it is FREE. Read that Free!

    Prescriptions are about $10 each the pill could cost anything cancer care etc that's the price. If you get more than 3 prescription's you have a monthly fee for 10 mos each year of about $18. Once you hit 60 there is no charge. If you can not afford a private dentist the cost ranges from $50 to 180 once3 you spent the 180 there are no further charges so this means caps dentures etc. Last year on my way back from my gym I fell and broke my shoulder the MRI alone they gave me would have cost $300. I paid nothing. The U.S> ha\s trillions for wars and getting into everyone business and shit. It is not the country I was told it was. Obama is trying to help I know when I left California I had great health care for me and my partner it cost me out of my pay $450 a month. The U.S. is one of the few countries on earth that does not have free healthcare. Even Italy pays 80% of everything. Shame!

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    Re: Obamacare and the Horror Stories

    What are these "horror" stories that the right wingers claim are happening?

    A true horror story is not having medical insurance and you have a pre existing condition. The hospital will send your bill to a debt collector and you'll lose your house, farm, ranch, all your savings and leave you penniless.

    A true horror story is dying because you don't take the cancer treatments because you can't afford them because of no insurance.

    A true horror story is watching your child die because you don't have medical insurance.

    A true horror story is the HMO deciding you can't have that treatment, the HMO telling you that you can't to to a specialist.

    Thank the gods for Obamacare! It's a step in the right direction.

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    To Cowboy Bob

    It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments

    How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.

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    I just keep waiting for the actual no fault, factual family or individual who is hurt inordinately over a provision of the ACA. So far everything I have read has ended up half true.

    One I am truly interested in is a couple in Georgia that runs a job bank. So they are the actual payment authority for a group of full and part time workers in total over 300. However the full time folks who find temp jobs for the rest had insurance. Now the law make the company provide full benefits for temp workers. So they cannot afford paying full benefits for all 300. The result is dropping coverage on all and paying the two thousand per head penalty .... so they pay 600,000 so they can have the privilege of dropping their full timers insurance.

    IF that is true and in this time of shitty work prospects and high unemployment, the last places we need to hamstring are employment agencies. That is a big IF for if it is true. It was a conservative news report so probably a made up thing.

    However that is a good example of the kind of things we all blue and red need to lobby to alter. This thing can be amazing if we involve America. However if one party continues to just be ignorant... then we will get half the issues fixed.

    Kentucky appears to be leading the way with a competent Governor who implemented the system immediately.
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    Re: Obamacare and the Horror Stories

    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
    To Cowboy Bob

    It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments

    How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.
    Why are you losing your HMO because of the ACA?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    How did the author of the article shop for insurance for someone else without committing fraud?

    Is Eric Stein one of the 'journalists' that are being paid to write positive pieces about the PPACA?

    One of the couples that was interviewed in the article responded in a comment ... the author conveniently left out portions of the conversation to make Obamacare look good.

    The real horror story is that the web site does not work after what must be over a billion dollars spent on it now and how information collected is not secure.

    As I've said for a long time ... it's a mess.
    Even CBS News the other day came out with stories on how this just is one big egg in the face of the Obama Administration. Huff Post nearly ALWAYS takes a pro-anything view of the President's policies. This roll out IS one big mess, no matter how fervently one wants to support Obama. If those in the Tea Party had ANY SENSE OF PRACTICAL GOVERNANCE, they would have not wasted so much time on defunding and let the program expose itself for the failure within its design it is... that is their best weapon to use against it, and unfortunately they continued to destroy their own credibility. But good to see Obama hoisted on his own petard and any puff piece in Ariana's rag just is blowing smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
    To Cowboy Bob

    It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments

    How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.

    How exactly is requiring a photo copy of an I.D. racism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Why are you losing your HMO because of the ACA?
    Agreed... if it is you then tell us more details because it is not supposed to affect you unless your HMO was a complete sham to begin with. If it wasn't you then give us dudes name and I will let you know WHY he was dropped and WHAT the benefit to consumer is for that man.

    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
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    It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments


    How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.
    BTW proving identity as a matter of policy isn't racism. Closing polling and license bureaus in locations primarily black or Hispanic is racism. But I realize it may be hard to see the difference while fuming and trying to get upset.

    I do agree that they should allow anonymous shopping unfortunately the reason they did not is the conservative lie machine and all the ignorant shit they have manufactured over the last five years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
    To Cowboy Bob

    It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments

    How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.
    So your horror stories are:

    1) You have to provide a photo ID and you consider that racism? Where did that come from. I had to provide photos of myself and a birth certificate to get my passport. Was that racism? Providing proof of who you are isn't racism.

    2) There are glitches in the web site and you can't sign up when you wanted. You have a lot of time to sign up.

    What you have is fear of the unknown.

    You can thank the republicans for throwing a monkey wrench in the ACA. President Obama wanted "Medicare for all" but that was unthinkable for the private insurance companies controlling the republican party. It would be competition.... it would hurt their profits. And there's nothing more important than profiting off of someone else's misery for those people.

    Remember the shouting matches at the "town hall meetings" a few years ago? Any discussion of health care reform was shouted down by pawns given instructions by republicans and their owners. Now we have a version of what Romney gave Massachusetts.

    And I'm still trying to figure why providing ID is racist.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Even CBS News the other day came out with stories on how this just is one big egg in the face of the Obama Administration. Huff Post nearly ALWAYS takes a pro-anything view of the President's policies. This roll out IS one big mess, no matter how fervently one wants to support Obama. If those in the Tea Party had ANY SENSE OF PRACTICAL GOVERNANCE, they would have not wasted so much time on defunding and let the program expose itself for the failure within its design it is... that is their best weapon to use against it, and unfortunately they continued to destroy their own credibility. But good to see Obama hoisted on his own petard and any puff piece in Ariana's rag just is blowing smoke.
    Agreed with this as well, however if they were truly stewards of the people they leads then they would agree dying from lack of health care or losing your entire life's fortune because of one illness is the true life killer. Then they would have involved themselves in the process instead of making up so much bunkum that no one believes a word they say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Even CBS News the other day came out with stories on how this just is one big egg in the face of the Obama Administration. Huff Post nearly ALWAYS takes a pro-anything view of the President's policies. This roll out IS one big mess, no matter how fervently one wants to support Obama. If those in the Tea Party had ANY SENSE OF PRACTICAL GOVERNANCE, they would have not wasted so much time on defunding and let the program expose itself for the failure within its design it is... that is their best weapon to use against it, and unfortunately they continued to destroy their own credibility. But good to see Obama hoisted on his own petard and any puff piece in Ariana's rag just is blowing smoke.
    I like how this post leaps from "the rollout was bad" to the ACA is "a failure" with not the thinnest wisp of reasoning as to why other than "Huff Post is biased."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    How exactly is requiring a photo copy of an I.D. racism?
    Remember, the Democrats falsley claim that poor people cannot afford IDs to vote, but now the Dems require an ID to get Obamacare. Oh! The hypocrisy of it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Remember, the Democrats falsley claim that poor people cannot afford IDs to vote, but now the Dems require an ID to get Obamacare. Oh! The hypocrisy of it all!
    More Republican half truths.

    You do need ID to register to vote. What Dems oppose are artificial voting-related ID cards that red states would almost undoubtedly use to skim off minority votes by placing too high of a fee or hassle on acquiring them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    As I've said for a long time ... it's a mess.
    Yup, you actually agree with your President. The ACA website is a mess. Did you notice ho well it is working in Kentucky where they set up their own system?

    Kentucky KyNect is signing up people at a rate of 1000 a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I like how this post leaps from "the rollout was bad" to the ACA is "a failure" with not the thinnest wisp of reasoning as to why other than "Huff Post is biased."
    Before the web site opened, the President said there would be glitches at first. All major programs have them. But because of the glitches the right wing is running around, flailing their arms in the air screaming hysterically what a failure Obamacare is.

    He also mentioned when people get used to it and discover they like it, they won't call it Obamacare anymore.

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    Anyways play on people... this topic will be the main issue for the next two months until the republicans shutdown our government again.
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    I think it's actually spelled WISCONSIN...

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    I think it's actually spelled WISCONSIN...
    AHA! Maybe that's why he couldn't register.

    I've been to Milvaukey, Maddison and Gleen Bae.

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    Anyways play on people... this topic will be the main issue for the next two months until the republicans shutdown our government again.
    They've forgotten about BENGHAZI for a while... at least until Hillary runs for President.... but they're back on the deficit. The Fox talking heads were mouthing off about that half of this morning. They need to criticize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    They've forgotten about BENGHAZI
    Never forget.

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    Never forget.
    four dead Americans.....

    ..... whatever their names are.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    As of yesterday, in the 14 states reporting to the CNN poll 257,000 people have signed up. The expectation is that 500,000 families and individuals will have signed up by the end of this month.

    Poor Jack. Why do you not want people to be able to get healthcare?
    Sorry but Kitty Kat does not know how many people have signed up. If she doesn't have access to that information then I doubt CNN does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Before the web site opened, the President said there would be glitches at first. All major programs have them. But because of the glitches the right wing is running around, flailing their arms in the air screaming hysterically what a failure Obamacare is.

    He also mentioned when people get used to it and discover they like it, they won't call it Obamacare anymore.
    As a sheep you'd follow him off a cliff bob ... so nothing new here. You also said early on that there was so much traffic that the site was not working correctly ... we all found out that was humongous lie.

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    Not just glitches... it's a huge flaw in the site's design. Appears that insurers are already giving out fucked up information. That after all this time to prepare, this much shit has happened and yet there are those here on the left who act as if the Tea Party were the only bullshit spewing thing around? There should have been a delay in the individual mandates, fuck this whole thing needs major reworking if not a complete alternative. It is too expansive and unwieldy, and if it was worth merit should have been tried out on a test basis, limited in scope and impact being dumped on the public. Enough about the right wing.. it's awful policy and while the defunding stunt just was a bad idea since it had no practical chance of success, and put the whole country in a terrible situation with the default threat were briefly hanging on... there is no doubt that ultimately, they and any other skeptics of the "Affordable" Healthcare Act will be proven much more on the money than its blissfully oblivious defenders.
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    The biggest danger is that Obamacare will be successful, inducing people to rely upon it, just before the Chinese stop giving us the money for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The biggest danger is that Obamacare will be successful, inducing people to rely upon it, just before the Chinese stop giving us the money for it.
    It's too fraught with inherent design flaws... to be successful it has to get its act together far quicker and more cohesively than it looks possible. The problem with the Tea Party right is their inability to show the political instincts of an organization capable of governance. A party, or faction of a party, that just exists as a barrier won't work. The numbers neither favor a strong mandate for "conservative" OR " liberal" social engineering anyway nor should we be a nation putting ideology over function. if the Tea Party was able to craft a viable option it could sell to the public, they wouldn't have put themselves in the hole they are now. Fortunately Obamacare is already showing itself to be much more akin to the disaster they ascribed it to be... but the truth about the Tea Party is they are less reformists and fiscal watchdogs but LARGELY vanguards of a social conservative Christian vision in disguise. And America would correctly, and should.. reject that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    It's too fraught with inherent design flaws... to be successful it has to get its act together far quicker and more cohesively than it looks possible. The problem with the Tea Party right is their inability to show the political instincts of an organization capable of governance. A party, or faction of a party, that just exists as a barrier won't work. The numbers neither favor a strong mandate for "conservative" OR " liberal" social engineering anyway nor should we be a nation putting ideology over function. if the Tea Party was able to craft a viable option it could sell to the public, they wouldn't have put themselves in the hole they are now. Fortunately Obamacare is already showing itself to be much more akin to the disaster they ascribed it to be... but the truth about the Tea Party is they are less reformists and fiscal watchdogs but LARGELY vanguards of a social conservative Christian vision in disguise. And America would correctly, and should.. reject that.
    I don't understand how someone could argue with a straight face that Obamacare is an inherently flawed design when all it is is private health insurance like the kind we already had--- except that now it has to cover more, and can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

    Calling it an inherent failure is calling the whole private healthcare system an inherent failure, in which case, welcome to being a liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The biggest danger is that Obamacare will be successful, inducing people to rely upon it, just before the Chinese stop giving us the money for it.
    Yes, we know that Obamacare being successful, is the Republicans' biggest nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I don't understand how someone could argue with a straight face that Obamacare is an inherently flawed design when all it is is private health insurance like the kind we already had--- except that now it has to cover more, and can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

    Calling it an inherent failure is calling the whole private healthcare system an inherent failure, in which case, welcome to being a liberal.
    The PPACA covers much more .. like maternity coverage for people who don't need it. Instead of creating a monster that will control 1/5 of our economy -- why not just change the things like covering pre-exisiting conditions, creating inter-state insurance commerce -- you would have economical insurance reform .... now we have a monster that will cost everyone more money and make it hard for many to pay for insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Not just glitches... it's a huge flaw in the site's design. Appears that insurers are already giving out fucked up information. That after all this time to prepare, this much shit has happened and yet there are those here on the left who act as if the Tea Party were the only bullshit spewing thing around? There should have been a delay in the individual mandates, fuck this whole thing needs major reworking if not a complete alternative. It is too expansive and unwieldy, and if it was worth merit should have been tried out on a test basis, limited in scope and impact being dumped on the public. Enough about the right wing.. it's awful policy and while the defunding stunt just was a bad idea since it had no practical chance of success, and put the whole country in a terrible situation with the default threat were briefly hanging on... there is no doubt that ultimately, they and any other skeptics of the "Affordable" Healthcare Act will be proven much more on the money than its blissfully oblivious defenders.
    Source of some sort..... anything Bueller?? Bueller?
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    The horror that must exist if Perry is now forced to send folks the ACA way...

    Rick Perry’s administration is now encouraging people to sign up for Obamacare

    I recognize that Perry hopes it is a shitstorm and then they can reintroduce a much cheaper plan than the one previous. If they do anything at all. Republicans in Texas seem to enjoy people suffering. Still it is weird to see a dude who ran for the opposition to the health care law last year, push the same law this year.
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    I finally got signed in after a couple of days, its very irritating and I'm impatient, so it doesn't mix well. I was just wanting to actually see if I could get logged in compare prices. Everything went well until I seen the prices and forgot it was based on income, it was almost 4x what i pay now so I will be keeping my insurance, lol. I guess they use your SS# to pull up your W2 to verify your income so you don't make any false claims. People still have 5 more months, I would wait until after the new year if was going to actually sign up, hopefully some of the bugs would be worked out by then, if not, they extend the enrollment date. I have a hard time believing some of the states who are against it will try to help out it citizens wanting to apply unless its something in it for them. If you are not computer literate, your best bet is to get someone who is to help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    How did the author of the article shop for insurance for someone else without committing fraud?
    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
    He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I do agree that they should allow anonymous shopping
    The website has been updated allowing visitors to browse anonymously to compare plans and premiums. (I tested that option with success.)

    [Setting up an account is] no longer a precondition for browsing, but for shopping seriously, it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    A true horror story is the HMO deciding you can't have that treatment, the HMO telling you that you can't [go] to a specialist.
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    [Obamacare] is private health insurance like the kind we already had--- except that now it has to cover more, and can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.
    Some of the plans available through the exchanges are also HMOs.



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    Thanks Opi... I have insurance so wasnt looking for anything specific on rates.

    So my rate is 119 a month for catastrophic coverage OR 227 a month for Platinum..... HOLY SHIT that is cheap.

    My Mother who is a 63 year old Tobacco user at 125% the poverty level qualifies for 96% subsidy for her insurance BUT the plan cost for a Platinum is only 388 which is around five hundred cheaper than anything else I have looked at with her pre-existing conditions. The 96% coverage subsidy would cop to 372 a month so she can get the best offered health plan for 16 dollars a month.

    If all this pans out the way it just showed me then the ACA is fucking amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
    To Cowboy Bob

    It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments

    How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.
    Did you make that up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WisonsinProud View Post
    … told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    How exactly is requiring a photo copy of an I.D. racism?
    Remember, the Democrats [falsely] claim that poor people cannot afford IDs to vote, but now the Dems require an ID to get Obamacare. Oh! The hypocrisy of it all!
    To the extent that requiring voter ID constitutes racism, I think there is adequate rationale to apply the same principle to a requirement for ID in order to obtain health insurance. Everyone knows that voting is not a privilege, but a right afforded to all citizens.

    … health insurance isn’t a privilege – it is your right. – President Barack Obama

    WEEKLY ADDRESS: Working to Implement the Affordable Care Act (The White House; August 17, 2013)

    As all Americans realize by now, obtaining identification is extremely difficult for some. In fact, if one is asked to provide identification at a polling place in order to vote, many believe that it is a form of voter disenfranchisement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Thanks Opi... I have insurance so wasnt looking for anything specific on rates.

    So my rate is 119 a month for catastrophic coverage OR 227 a month for Platinum..... HOLY SHIT that is cheap.

    My Mother who is a 63 year old Tobacco user at 125% the poverty level qualifies for 96% subsidy for her insurance BUT the plan cost for a Platinum is only 388 which is around five hundred cheaper than anything else I have looked at with her pre-existing conditions. The 96% coverage subsidy would cop to 372 a month so she can get the best offered health plan for 16 dollars a month.

    If all this pans out the way it just showed me then the ACA is fucking amazing.
    Everything I've read is that a 60 yo person who doesn't smoke has an over $8000 yearly premium.

    Hmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Everything I've read is that a 60 yo person who doesn't smoke has an over $8000 yearly premium.

    Hmmmm
    Then stop reading Fox and pother right wing propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Everything I've read is that a 60 yo person who doesn't smoke has an over $8000 yearly premium.

    Hmmmm
    I suppose in twilight zone land the plans they offer for review are somehow different than the ones they actually sell. However, go to the site yourself and pump in your own data. I was amazed because I have read what i thought were somewhat decent sources who have totally gotten this thing wrong IF it pans out the way that scale has it pan out. I haven't bought it yet but I intend to as soon as me and my computer can get next to my mother and her personal identifiable information. That will occur sometime next month on or after her birthday. So I will make sure and update once I am paying a insurance company for her plan.
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    I dont know if the link developed will work other than on my computer in that system BUT the defining line is above fifty and the plan with no subsidy for a "over 60" person for the highest available in Johnson County, Missouri which is Gold level = 430 to 585, Silver level 386 to 485, Bronze = 291 to 345 and Catastrophic is 173.....

    So the twelve month range is 7020 for everything under the sun covered to 2076 to meet basic minimums under the law.

    A mean average coverage of 379 a month or 4548 a year.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Everything I've read is that a 60 yo person who doesn't smoke has an over $8000 yearly premium.

    Hmmmm
    Hmmmm...That's for the primo plan AND you make enough $ to not be eligible for the subsidy. You know that.



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    Hmmmm...That's for the primo plan AND you make enough $ to not be eligible for the subsidy. You know that.
    Yes. Another Springer half truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Everything I've read is that a 60 yo person who doesn't smoke has an over $8000 yearly premium.

    Hmmmm
    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Then stop reading Fox and pother right wing propaganda.
    Actually, Bob, from what I've done exploring this that's not far off.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Just thought I'd point out that zip code makes a difference -- just changing the zip I entered in browsing plans made a drop of twenty percent or a rise not quite so large. I'm guessing it depends on how close you are to a hospital or other medical center, among other things.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Hmmmm...That's for the primo plan AND you make enough $ to not be eligible for the subsidy. You know that.
    Nah his primo plan for the region he is near, at least, is 7000 a year. Still I cant imagine many who do not have insurance will not qualify for subsidies. I mean who is making 100k and doesn't have insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Yes. Another Springer half truth.
    I would like to consider his Hmmmmm! as a concession by him that perhaps what he is hearing is wrong. But I am forever an optimist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Actually, Bob, from what I've done exploring this that's not far off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Just thought I'd point out that zip code makes a difference -- just changing the zip I entered in browsing plans made a drop of twenty percent or a rise not quite so large. I'm guessing it depends on how close you are to a hospital or other medical center, among other things.
    Nope the 7000 is not far off from Jacks 8000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Actually, Bob, from what I've done exploring this that's not far off.
    Fine. Let's not use that as a generality of what all premiums will be.

    A Rolls Royce costs $400,000 but that doesn't mean all cars cost that much.

    $8,000 12 = 667 (7,000 12 = 583) What have the premiums been from Kaiser Permanente, Blue Cross or others and did they cover preexisting conditions, have lifetime caps, etc?

    The way Springer exaggerates and demonizes everything if he said the the Earth was round I'd doubt him.

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