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    Arresting bullies going too far?

    With all the high profile cases of kids committing suicide and bullies getting arrested for it, I'm a little conflicted on this. Throughout elementary, middle, and high school, I was THE target of bullying. Want to raise your social status? Just pick on me. I was both physically and emotionally bullied to a point where I contemplated suicide.

    That said, most of me keeps screaming that arresting and charging bullies of crime is wrong. Haven't we agreed that the government shouldn't get into our personal lives and that we don't need them to babysit us?

    Today, we arrest bullies. What's to stop them from banning anything and everything that offends people? Try to guess what book I'm referring to.

    My mind is open. Those who think cyber bullies and bullies in general should be arrested and dealt with, help me understand why this isn't going to far?

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    We arrest bullies when they Facebook "I don't give a fuck" that so-and-so committed suicide (because of their bullying).

    http://www.today.com/news/fed-sherif...ble-8C11401636

    Her parents could use a stay in jail also.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    its a big jump from punishing someone who harasses a person to the point of suicide, to banning something for offending someone.

    And to reduce bullying and suicide to being offended just demonstrates lack of understanding.
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    Parents have to teach their children to be stronger. I was always bullied as a kid, I was very shy, nice and sensitive so I was a target often. There was this one boy, mean little thing, who would harass me daily. After so long I told my dad he wouldn't stop bothering me so my dad went to talk to his mother and the mother said "well, boys will be boys" instead of just telling her son to stop being a little shit. So my dad told me if that kid bothers me again I'd have to defend myself.

    Then one day I was riding my bike with my friends and we stopped to just hang out, the bully came up to me, pushed me down and tried to take my bike. So I ran after him, and started to fight him. I beat him so bloody that my friends had to pull me away. I remember feeling awful, but he wouldn't leave my alone. The mom went to my dad and said "look what your son did, you need to do something." And my dad said "well, boys will be boys."

    My point is, parents are important in teaching their children to have respect for others and also to have enough pride in themselves to not take any bullshit. You really can't be weak in life, no one will help you. Arresting? I think the little fuckers should just get the shit kicked out of them, I'll tell you what, that kid never bullied me again.

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    I didn't answer the last part, cyber bullies are just sad people. I think they do it out of boredom, and to cause harm to a person must give them a sense of power and control they are lacking in real life. Bizarre. There are some sick fucks in the world.

    I don't have a solution, there have always been bullies and there always will be. The only thing someone can do is be secure in themselves and not let the anonymous strangers get to them.
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    I was bullied in grade school, also by my family. It was soon after my dad's death when I was 9. Think of being 11 years old and having no one to turn to, it's very lonely.
    So, what to do with bullies? If it's illegal for me as an adult to harass and beat people up, then it should be illegal for children to do it.
    The reason I can't do it is to provide protection for others. If I have a bad day at work it's a no-no to beat up the barber. He is protected from me.
    Should we not give children who are far more vulnerable the same protection that we give adults?
    For child bullies perhaps mandatory counseling, for teens who bully others perhaps some time in lock up to think about it.
    We see bullying today because nothing was done yesterday.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Bullies do not 'offend' those they torment to the point of suicide. To think that cyberbullies should be protected under free speech is rather astounding.

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    Of course it is, if the bullies are minor. If they get locked up they won't reflect about it, they'll just internalize that they are criminals, and likely proceed to live a criminal life in the future. However, parents and teachers should keep a firm eye on bullying and if a situation arises in which either one of the parents or one of the teachers is colluding with the bullying (which actually happens!) then they should face legal consequences.
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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by CupidBoy View Post
    Arresting? I think the little fuckers should just get the shit kicked out of them
    Agreed. I reckon many a kid would be less of an arsehole as an older kid and adult if someone clobbered them at some point in their youth to make a point.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Bullying will always exist because there is a genetic predisposition to sociopathy. No amount of therapy or medication will fix these people.

    Bullying is a complex thing and we could have several circular arguments about it. The important part especially in the juvenile area is accountability in the public schools which does not exist anymore and is why I am glad I went to private schools. It is a very grey area to deal with and it's impossible to really make a "zero-tolerance" policy for it.

    The only thing you can do is at 16 [the legal "adult" age in the US] is expel the bully and let the horrible parents take care of their child.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by ruivinho View Post
    Of course it is, if the bullies are minor. If they get locked up they won't reflect about it, they'll just internalize that they are criminals, and likely proceed to live a criminal life in the future. However, parents and teachers should keep a firm eye on bullying and if a situation arises in which either one of the parents or one of the teachers is colluding with the bullying (which actually happens!) then they should face legal consequences.
    Which is worse, stealing a car or knocking someone's teeth out? We lock up car thieves. When I see the word bully I don't think of some punk who runs his mouth, I remember the punks who bullied me out of school.
    They didn't get sent to a reform school, I did.
    I committed no crime, except missing school to protect myself. If a kid thinks that he has the right to turn a fellow human being into a punching bag, he needs a time out.
    My time out was 18 mos. I got to watch boys get raped and the staff thought it was fine to beat the hell out of me.
    I ain't sitting here feeling sorry for my self, far from it, I flipped off the system and have done well on my own, however, most people have ne idea of what the bullies victim goes through. it's not a light matter.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Agreed. I reckon many a kid would be less of an arsehole as an older kid and adult if someone clobbered them at some point in their youth to make a point.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    I used to be of two minds on this issue, but then I think, why should bullies get a "fair" fight when nothing about them is fair?

    I have no sympathy for current bullies - whether they get woken up by a knockout punch from the kid that can't take any more of their shit, or hearing the clink of a jail cell door and have to live in fear of Big Luther and Bubba for a little while, it's all the same to me - face the consequences of your actions. And yeah, was bullied - in middle school especially - and it was not a fun feeling. Sadly enough, I lived in the age of Columbine, and it was that fear that made (most) people that I grew up with take a hard look at themselves in the mirror... but it was astonishingly effective.

    Always funny to me when the people that whine about wanting less government intrusion in their lives are the same sort that can't teach their children basic manners and respect - that's ass backward.
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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Now a days with cyber bullying, arrest them if the bullied one commits suicide. It's uncalled for and like said above the parents need discipline also.
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    Thing about cyber bullying is the sneaky factor. Online personalities can be cruel when the same bully is smiley and polite in front of adults. It's a trick that girls are particularly good at.
    And if they cause enough hurt to provoke a physical response from their victims then those same bullies are very adept at acting the victim.
    It's the cunt factor. Passive aggressive types can cause real harm.
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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    I was bullied relentlessly when I was a kid. I was a nerd, quiet, and kept to myself, all skills that apparently screamed "Faggot" in a jock based same sex catholic school. I was called a Faggot long before I even understood what being gay was.

    I grew up in the pre-internet era and I knew, when I walked through the doors each night I was safe. For as long as I was in the house I had no risk of being bullied or beaten or treated like I was a disease. I wonder how many kids these days have that safety. The internet appears to be bringing the bullies right into a persons bedroom. Facebook, twitter etc. There is no escape anymore.

    I don't know how I'd have coped without the sanctuary of home. As it was I barely made it out of my youth alive.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Yes. They sgould be faced with those consequences, it is one thing to tease someone a little bit but it is another when a person is a target of daily ridicule. Whether it be verbal or physical.

    If someone can stick up to a bully and overcome them, great. But not every kid is capable of doing so, for whatever reason. Especially when it comes to a kid with multiple bullies.

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    Kill them. Kill them all.
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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    I think if I saw my bullies that they would probably be regretful. As Maya Angelou told Oprah, "when people know better, they do better".

    I think bullies today should know there are consequences for bullying if they are known to be a bully.

    There should be an awareness campaign so all kids know they will be in trouble if they bully others.

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    Bullies today have it easy. They can bully people who they've never met and who can live in a totally different country. Not long ago, bullies needed to be face-to-face with the victims. Now they need only be a keyboard away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    I think if I saw my bullies that they would probably be regretful. As Maya Angelou told Oprah, "when people know better, they do better".
    Just because they feel regretful about it doesn't make it okay. If a kid committed suicide because of bullying, their feelings of regret would make absolutely no difference.
    I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    "If I saw" indicates that I would see my bullies today, not in 1978 when it began

    I'm saying bullies who have grown up have regret, not young people who are currently bullying

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    That said, most of me keeps screaming that arresting and charging bullies of crime is wrong. Haven't we agreed that the government shouldn't get into our personal lives and that we don't need them to babysit us?

    Today, we arrest bullies. What's to stop them from banning anything and everything that offends people? Try to guess what book I'm referring to.

    My mind is open. Those who think cyber bullies and bullies in general should be arrested and dealt with, help me understand why this isn't going to far?
    There was a TV programme on tonight (I have no idea what it was called or what channel it was on) and it was about cyber bullying. There was one thread about a boxer who got so much abuse on Twitter from one guy that he decided to take matters into his own hands.
    He asked for the troll's name and address (one of his 'mates' supplied it within hours) and he publically stated that he was coming to get the troll.
    En-route he posted updates of where he was so the troll knew he was really coming. When he got to the troll's road he took a pic and posted it. All the while the troll taunted him daring him to actually turn up.
    The troll suddenly backed down.
    Some days later, after it had hit the mainstream media, the troll was invited to meet his victim, live on air. To give him his due, he actually turned up and faced him. He apologised profusely. As the boxer said, he was lucky he was an even tempered guy otherwise I might well have landed him in hospital.

    I seem to remember a woman who did something similar, got the name and address and psoted it online and let her followers do her dirty work. I seem to remember the guy lost his job over it

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    I loved the show bully beat down. They challenged real life bullies to fight someone their own size. Of course the fighter was an mma professional. They kicked the hell out of the bullies. I think the best way to cure a bully is to give them a taste of what it feels like to be bullied. If it takes being in a jail cell or a cage fight I don't really care. I have zero tolerance for bullies. Young or old

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    "If I saw" indicates that I would see my bullies today, not in 1978 when it began

    I'm saying bullies who have grown up have regret, not young people who are currently bullying
    And I'm saying that their regret would mean zero if the subject of their torment had killed themselves.
    I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to.

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    Bullies should be shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    Which is worse, stealing a car or knocking someone's teeth out? We lock up car thieves. When I see the word bully I don't think of some punk who runs his mouth, I remember the punks who bullied me out of school.
    They didn't get sent to a reform school, I did.
    I committed no crime, except missing school to protect myself. If a kid thinks that he has the right to turn a fellow human being into a punching bag, he needs a time out.
    My time out was 18 mos. I got to watch boys get raped and the staff thought it was fine to beat the hell out of me.
    I ain't sitting here feeling sorry for my self, far from it, I flipped off the system and have done well on my own, however, most people have ne idea of what the bullies victim goes through. it's not a light matter.

    I see now that it depends on what you consider bullying.
    I see no reason why you got sent to reform school, that seems to have been really unfair.
    You teachers and the adults in school supervising you, if they knew about this situation
    (which many times they do) should've been to blame, as in legally prosecuted.

    This does not mean automatically that the bullies should be sent to reform school.
    However, if we are talking about brutal physical violence, that is not just "bullying"
    and in that case reform school could be appropriate.
    As for watching boys getting raped, not only the rapists were to blame, but also said staff, and that was my point:
    Aren't the adults who do nothing about bullying also guilty of the victim's suffering?
    (Btw, I assume that was in reform school? I'd say rape is in a different category from bullying, though I guess it also serves as the ultimate form of humiliation in their minds)

    Your case is quite extreme, so I get why you feel that way, and yes, in extreme cases of bullying reform school should be an option, otherwise, I don't think it helps.
    We have to consider what these bullies can become if they start accepting themselves as criminals. Not for them, but for the other victims that will come..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Bullies should be shot.

    Any questions?
    Yes, what is a bully?

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    There is no excuse for bulling and equivocating on the abuse is even more inexcusable. I look at it from a moral perspective that bullying is perverse anti-social behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    Just because they feel regretful about it doesn't make it okay. If a kid committed suicide because of bullying, their feelings of regret would make absolutely no difference.
    To stop bullies they have to be made to suffer the consequences of their actions. Simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingPhoenix View Post
    And I'm saying that their regret would mean zero if the subject of their torment had killed themselves.
    True. Or if it had alienated them to the point where they did something like Columbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgiadude View Post
    I loved the show bully beat down. They challenged real life bullies to fight someone their own size. Of course the fighter was an mma professional. They kicked the hell out of the bullies. I think the best way to cure a bully is to give them a taste of what it feels like to be bullied. If it takes being in a jail cell or a cage fight I don't really care. I have zero tolerance for bullies. Young or old

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    Arrest the little fuckers. There need to be real-life consequences to their actions. Let their lives be marred the way the lives of their victims are marred.

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    Re: Arresting bullies going too far?

    Quote Originally Posted by m1thousand View Post
    "If I saw" indicates that I would see my bullies today, not in 1978 when it began

    I'm saying bullies who have grown up have regret, not young people who are currently bullying
    Not necessarily. My parents were bullies when they were kids...and they grew up...had children...and became even worse bullies.

    My solution....sterilize the fucks so they don't reproduce....and forbid them from being around children. They rightfully forbid convicted child molesters from being around children...and the physical, emotional and psychological damage these kinds of bullies do to children of their own is just as bad...maybe even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    ^ This

    Stomp down hard on the little fuckers.
    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    To stop bullies they have to be made to suffer the consequences of their actions. Simple
    These are indisputable. The question arises of who should do the "stomping", the handing out of consequences.

    My take is that if it's adults, all it's going to do is make the bully resentful, and make his friends resentful, and result in actually increasing bullying in the long term. But if it's peers, the point gets made and the bully actually learns.

    Anecdote: my favorite-ever response to bullying was at a school where I helped out briefly as a soccer coach. One kid on the soccer team was a target of bullies at the school. One practice he showed up with a black eye and a slight limp. He didn't say anything (tough kid), but three of the school's cheerleaders were there, and they noticed. For whatever reason, they decided that enough was enough, and organized their own action: they talked to the other cheerleaders, and the cheerleaders talked to the pep squad, and the pep squad talked to their friends...

    and within two days, not a single girl in the school was talking to the bully or his friends; they just pretended the bullies didn't exist.

    At the first practice the next week, the bully showed up and apologized, in the middle of the field, with the whole team gathered around.

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    ^^^Peer pressure is a very effective tool.

    In Boot Camp...the first time it happened I was so pissed off. The guy didn't do his sheets right and so our CO told the rest of us to put on all of our gear and we had to close all the windows and run around the barracks for a couple hours while the offending guy was sitting in the middle of us relaxing with a soda and smoking cigarettes. VERY EFFECTIVE....

    Maybe they should do the same with the bullies in school...punish all the other kids and let them know why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    These are indisputable. The question arises of who should do the "stomping", the handing out of consequences.

    My take is that if it's adults, all it's going to do is make the bully resentful, and make his friends resentful, and result in actually increasing bullying in the long term. But if it's peers, the point gets made and the bully actually learns.
    I agree that peer pressure is very useful at High School level but adult bullying must be dealt with by the Police and Courts

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    ^^^Peer pressure is a very effective tool.

    In Boot Camp...the first time it happened I was so pissed off. The guy didn't do his sheets right and so our CO told the rest of us to put on all of our gear and we had to close all the windows and run around the barracks for a couple hours while the offending guy was sitting in the middle of us relaxing with a soda and smoking cigarettes. VERY EFFECTIVE....

    Maybe they should do the same with the bullies in school...punish all the other kids and let them know why
    It wasn't bullying but I had something similar happen today.
    I live across the road from a 'special' school, a school for disturbed kids.
    As I rode my bike up past them they were spilling out into the road so I rang my bell. One of the kids threw something at me and it hit my head. I think it was just a ball of paper but that wasn't the point.
    I immediately stopped and turned my bike round to confront the kids. Fortunately there were teachers there and they immediately put the entire group on report and said they would only be released when the culprit owned up.
    Peer pressure brought to bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    ^^^Peer pressure is a very effective tool.

    In Boot Camp...the first time it happened I was so pissed off. The guy didn't do his sheets right and so our CO told the rest of us to put on all of our gear and we had to close all the windows and run around the barracks for a couple hours while the offending guy was sitting in the middle of us relaxing with a soda and smoking cigarettes. VERY EFFECTIVE....

    Maybe they should do the same with the bullies in school...punish all the other kids and let them know why
    When I was in high school, all a kid had to do to escape being bullied was go out for a sport: it was letterman's club policy that people on a school team were off limits to harassment. Usually it was the wrestlers or football players who enforced it, when inevitably every year some ass would pick on a freshman on the cross country or another team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruivinho View Post
    Of course it is, if the bullies are minor. If they get locked up they won't reflect about it, they'll just internalize that they are criminals, and likely proceed to live a criminal life in the future. However, parents and teachers should keep a firm eye on bullying and if a situation arises in which either one of the parents or one of the teachers is colluding with the bullying (which actually happens!) then they should face legal consequences.
    While your response is truly well meaning, it honestly strikes me as a bit...echo-chamberish. If parents and teachers were actually doing their jobs, we as a whole society wouldn't be in and have been in this sad chaos for years if not decades.

    The problem is simply two-fold...

    >> Lazy parents and lazy teachers who don't know and don't care about who is doing what to who. "Well, my child would never...! He/She knows better..." Too many parents too emotionally invested in their little heathens to look at the situation clearly and analytically - Is the child actually misbehaving or mistreating fellow kids when the parents/authority figures aren't around? Or, as in my case, it was always viewed - even by MY OWN mother - that somehow I, as the victim, brought on and provoked the attack/harassment in question on myself.

    >> The other main angle of this problem, I've always believed, is how we as a society view bullying of all kinds. If I were to follow a fellow student around - in the adult world, we call that stalking. If I were to hit another student - in the adult world, we call that assault. If I were to sneak a fellow student's books and personal belongings out of their locker - in the adult world, we call that burglary and theft. If I were to make a death threat to another student - in the adult world, we call that making a terroristic threat. If I were to touch a fellow student's crotch area while they were trying to sleep - in the adult world, we call that sexual assault and attempted rape.

    Thing is, in the world of elementary, middle, and high school, we call that bullying. We call that, "kids will be kids..." We sugar coat, and we dress it up, and we bullshit. In the adult world, those acts I mentioned above are called "crimes". People go to jail over crimes.

    Everyone of those acts I mentioned above happened to me during my school years. Even the death threats and the molestation from fellow classmates, did in fact happen to me. The psychiatric damage I have suffered down through the years is immeasurable. The scars in my head and in my heart are as real now, as they ever were. And those scars will be ever present with me until the moment of my passing.

    So yes, if you're going to harass, and terrorize, and do worse to a fellow human being - I don't care if you're 7 or 70, you must be made to understand that you have to answer for and be held accountable for what you have done to another human being.

    No one deserves to be bullied. Thank you for letting me say my peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcnow View Post
    >> Lazy parents and lazy teachers who don't know and don't care about who is doing what to who. "Well, my child would never...! He/She knows better..." Too many parents too emotionally invested in their little heathens to look at the situation clearly and analytically - Is the child actually misbehaving or mistreating fellow kids when the parents/authority figures aren't around? Or, as in my case, it was always viewed - even by MY OWN mother - that somehow I, as the victim, brought on and provoked the attack/harassment in question on myself.
    This, of course, is the root of the problem. Bad parenting
    How can you expect a child to learn respect for others when it isn't taught at home
    You only have to look at the way some mothers treat their children in the mall and the stores to know that they are not bringing their children up properly. They scream and shout and drag them around.
    I have a friend who is a mother to a 4 yr old and a 2 yr old. She doesn't even have to raise her voice to bring her kids into line. They are trained properly and are two of the sweetest, most polite kids I have ever met

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    This, of course, is the root of the problem. Bad parenting
    How can you expect a child to learn respect for others when it isn't taught at home
    You only have to look at the way some mothers treat their children in the mall and the stores to know that they are not bringing their children up properly. They scream and shout and drag them around.
    I have a friend who is a mother to a 4 yr old and a 2 yr old. She doesn't even have to raise her voice to bring her kids into line. They are trained properly and are two of the sweetest, most polite kids I have ever met
    Much of today's batch of parents never learned personal responsibility, and if you haven't learned it you can't pass it on. Without a concept of personal responsibility, it's impossible to understand respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcnow View Post
    While your response is truly well meaning, it honestly strikes me as a bit...echo-chamberish. If parents and teachers were actually doing their jobs, we as a whole society wouldn't be in and have been in this sad chaos for years if not decades.

    >> The other main angle of this problem, I've always believed, is how we as a society view bullying of all kinds. If I were to follow a fellow student around - in the adult world, we call that stalking. If I were to hit another student - in the adult world, we call that assault. If I were to sneak a fellow student's books and personal belongings out of their locker - in the adult world, we call that burglary and theft. If I were to make a death threat to another student - in the adult world, we call that making a terroristic threat. If I were to touch a fellow student's crotch area while they were trying to sleep - in the adult world, we call that sexual assault and attempted rape.

    So yes, if you're going to harass, and terrorize, and do worse to a fellow human being - I don't care if you're 7 or 70, you must be made to understand that you have to answer for and be held accountable for what you have done to another human being.
    True (it is echo-chamberist), however, I'd say that it is important to say that because some of you are failing to realize a fairly obvious thing: Children are not adults. There is a reason why we distinguish in law a minor from an adult - the former is assumed not to have developed entirely his socialization capabilities.

    If we are to treat children as adults, then let them smoke, drink, vote, etc. Childs are not adults, so the law should not treat them in the same way. If one does is not concede an opportunity to develop such capabilties, how can one become an adult?

    This is not to say that the damage made in the children bullied is any smaller than in the adult. Often, it is larger. And this is precisely why I mantain my view that the legal consequences should be (for most cases) on the adults responsible.

    We have to be practical here: what good would do to send bullies to jail? They need to understand that they shouldn't bully because it is wrong and hurtful I don't see how that helps. It is likely to lead them to a life of crime later. And how does it help you, the damaged child? Do you get any less damaged?

    Of course they have to be held accountable, otherwise they have no incentive to stop bullying. But do you really think jail is the better option?

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