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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    In streaking, you barely get a glimpse of the guy's equipment, if that. And it tends to be at a distance. Whereas, flashing is in your face and up close, usually. Flashing is about sexual arousal. Streaking seems to be something someone does on a dare and non-sexual. Nudity is often non-sexual. It's about the intent. Doesn't the law require proof of intent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Streaking is not sexual?

    Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that all nudity is sexual; nudism certainly isn't, but streaking is specifically meant to be sexually provocative, otherwise it wouldn't be done naked, and then it wouldn't be streaking.

    I personally do not believe that streaking is a big deal, but it is definitely sexual.
    No, streaking is not sexual.

    It's meant to be provocative, funny, daring, taken as a joke, done for amusement or even excitement. It's NOT done for, or because of, arousal.
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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    You're arguing against an extreme position. A position that most parents (that I know) do not hold. The people I know (and I would hold this position as well) is that I don't want my kids exposed to streakers. Punish the kid and that's that.
    I want to decide when to broach these topics and how to handle such a discussion.

    Locker rooms, showers, pools, hell even nude beaches are all fine to me. But I can talk to my child before and after these instances without it being shoved into his or her face.

    What you are doing is attributing a very extreme position to the majority.
    Streaking is not to my knowledge an "endorsed activity" on any campus... it's treated as a mischievous prank and there usually are punishments for it. But I think this whole tack of "my kids are being damaged by nudity in any situation other than when I choose for them to view nudity" is baseless. As someone who has kids has said in this thread, most kids would giggle. Streaking is like the adult, mischievous version of what a toddler does when he gets loose from his mom during a diaper change and runs wild. Everyone just laughs. No one regards it as an offensively sexual act. It's a sudden quick shock to everyone's social norms on the topic of nudity, and that's all. It's not imprinting on someone a damaging sexual encounter.

    As to suicide, when we have these moronic laws that permanently categorize someone for life in the same listing as child molesters, pedophiles and serial rapists, and friends and neighbors can look you up and find you on the sex offender registry online and see where you live, it's enough of a destruction of reputation for life that yes, some people are going to feel their lives are over when faced with being put on this registry. That's when law has gone way past protecting people and has engaged in destroying people in a massive overreaction.

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    It's easy to point fingers at the principal and say he caused it, but this isn't about that. The boy had a lot of problems going on beneath the surface even before the streaking incident if he committed suicide. Was the streaking a final outcry or a silly prank gone horribly wrong..we may never know. His sexuality should not be assumed as a cause.

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    No, streaking is not sexual.
    I wouldn't say it is erotic, but it is definitely sexual. The whole point of a streaking is to do the defiant, coming-of-age, male dominant thing, as a general rule. It's one of the reasons why we so rarely see titties slapping the faces of streakers as the traverse the field.

    And, to your point (pardon the pun), I cannot recall ever witnessing or seeing on film a streaker running aroused. The opposite would be true of flashers.

    Streaking is a rite of passage for some, not so dissimilar to bending saplings to the ground, beating the chest, racing cars, and drinking to excess. It's part of a dare-taking that helps keep one from being written down as coward/conformist/whatever.

    Not a rule here, just a pattern.
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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I wouldn't say it is erotic, but it is definitely sexual. The whole point of a streaking is to do the defiant, coming-of-age, male dominant thing, as a general rule. It's one of the reasons why we so rarely see titties slapping the faces of streakers as the traverse the field.

    And, to your point (pardon the pun), I cannot recall ever witnessing or seeing on film a streaker running aroused. The opposite would be true of flashers.

    Streaking is a rite of passage for some, not so dissimilar to bending saplings to the ground, beating the chest, racing cars, and drinking to excess. It's part of a dare-taking that helps keep one from being written down as coward/conformist/whatever.

    Not a rule here, just a pattern.

    Do you mean to say that you have witnessed aroused flashers or seen aroused flashers on film?

    What kind of 'film' are you talking about? Hollywood? Surveillance? *tube?

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    No, I've never seen a flasher of any sort, only heard reports of them, which often mention their arousal.

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    No, I've never seen a flasher of any sort, only heard reports of them, which often mention their arousal.
    Really? I've been 'flashed' a few times. Both genders.

    The most recent was inside a grocery store just a couple weeks ago.

    Only once was the guy sporting wood.

    Anyway, should the opportunity ever present, apparently flasher etiquette dictates the recipient is supposed to act grateful, and not laugh. Who knew? Right? But, it always happens so quickly and unexpectedly that I forget my manners.

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    Those were mercy flashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Those were mercy flashes.
    Blow me. There's a good lad.

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Those were mercy flashes.
    Despite the enigmatic nature of your observation there is wisdom in your words for the victim expressed his frustration with his circumstances by throwing caution to the wind and baring all....most streakers are exhibitionists with little thought of projecting anything sexual through their rebellious action focused on making a statement...in this case that he believed that he was being unfairly treated....and so he was.
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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Oh well. He should have thought about it better. Silly kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dereperez View Post
    It's easy to point fingers at the principal and say he caused it, but this isn't about that. The boy had a lot of problems going on beneath the surface even before the streaking incident if he committed suicide. Was the streaking a final outcry or a silly prank gone horribly wrong..we may never know. His sexuality should not be assumed as a cause.
    Of course. The principal is not to blame, no kid that was emotionally stable would even consider suicide because of that, the kid probably had many other reasons to do so and this just happened to be the trigger. (And yeah, I also don't know why sexuality is assumed to be the case)

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Having said that, I have to add that yes, it is ridiculous to consider what he's done a a sexual offence as the intent was not sexual arousal or anything sexual related in my opinion. And so the principal exagerated.

    However, as a principal he couldn't have taken the "boys will be boys route" cause as that would've worked as a bad incentive.
    (If this boy can be "a boy", than other boys couls be "boys"....)
    And again, even if he did exagerate, the truth is I can hardly blame him, as he did not mention the kid's name, and I think that, in his own logic, he thought he was giving the kid some needed though love (and of course at the same time, trying to clean the school's name). That the kid had already too many psychological troubles for that love to possibly have been too though, he couldn't have imagined.

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    REALLY!! and i do mean REALLY!
    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post
    Oh well. He should have thought about it better. Silly kid.

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    Oh well. He should have thought about it better. Silly kid.
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    ^I know mate,fucking Sickening.

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    ^You know, I had a post written out...

    But then I said, nope, don't feel like getting banned because of that guy. Don't know if reporting it will do anything, but I sure will try.
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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    REALLY!! and i do mean REALLY!
    Yes, really.....
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    What is this I don't even..
    It's rather simple to decipher
    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^I know mate,fucking Sickening.
    *yawn* dramatic much

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    ^You know, I had a post written out...

    But then I said, nope, don't feel like getting banned because of that guy. Don't know if reporting it will do anything, but I sure will try.
    Bravo for your restraint. Please by all means report it since it is sooooo offensive. I invite a moderator to look at my post and examine it's cruel and dirty content.

    Just because it does not fit your opinion, it does not mean you oh-so offended posters have to get on your soap boxes and start whining.


    I said nothing derogatory like "YAY! he killed himself"
    Yes, he should have thought about it better. He broke the rules and did someting obviously punishable and killed himself to avoid getting punished. You did wrong so face the consequences. The law is the law and he deserved to be punished. Was the punishmed to be labled a sex offender way over the top and exxaggerated? Yes, it was. A lessor punishment would have sufficed. Oh well silly kid.

    by all means conitnue to have a heart attack over my post.
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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post
    Yes, really.....

    It's rather simple to decipher

    Sickening how?...


    Bravo for your restraint. Please by all means report it since it is sooooo offensive. I invite a moderator to look at my post and examine it's cruel and dirty content.

    Just because it does not fit your opinion, it does not mean you oh-so offended posters have to get on your soap boxes and start whining.


    I was not heartless and said anything derogatory like "YAY! he killed himself"
    Yes, he should have thought about it better. He broke the rules and did someting obviously punishable and killed himself to avoid getting punished. You did wrong so face the consequences. The law is the law and he deserved to be punished. Was the punishmed to be labled a sex offender way over the top and exxaggerated? Yes, it was. A lessor punishment would have sufficed. Oh well now...

    by all means conitnue to have a heart attack over my post.

    Seriously???? "the law is the law and he deserved to be punished?"

    You must have zero capacity for empathy.

    The gays in Iran break the law too...just by existing... so tell me...do they "deserve" to be punished?

    Your POV really IS offensive.

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Seriously???? "the law is the law and he deserved to be punished?"

    You must have zero capacity for empathy.

    The gays in Iran break the law too...just by existing... so tell me...do they "deserve" to be punished?

    Your POV really IS offensive.
    Read again.........

    The law is the law and he deserved to be punished. Was the punishmed to be labled a sex offender way over the top and exxaggerated? Yes, it was. A lessor punishment would have sufficed. Oh well now...

    The iran and gays thing is clearly ridiculous so I am not even going to go there. So what you are trying to say is the kid should not be punished because what.... he was childish and had zero capacity to think about the consequences regarding his actions?
    and again let me copy and past this - Was the punishmed to be labled a sex offender way over the top and exxaggerated? Yes, it was. A lessor punishment would have sufficed. - because you all are so offended that you keep forgetting that part.

    to label someone a sex offender because of streaking is dumb, just as dumb as being labeled one for peeing in a bush somewhere.

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    The iran and gays thing is clearly ridiculous so I am not even going to go there
    ...but you already did go there. You said "THE LAW IS THE LAW AND HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED"....

    ...so what is it? The laws you like and don't think are ridiculous? Branding this kid a sex offender for life is insane. The law is insane. Your statement demonstrates a complete lack of empathy and depth of understanding.

    to label someone a sex offender because of streaking is dumb, just as dumb as being labeled one for peeing in a bush somewhere.
    ...but according to you...the law is the law and he should be punished. .....part of the law includes being labeled a sex offender.

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    Is this school a special school with its own religious/justice system?

    The principal said 'There's the legal complications,' 'Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ball-game.html

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    ...but you already did go there. You said "THE LAW IS THE LAW AND HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED"....

    ...so what is it? The laws you like and don't think are ridiculous? Branding this kid a sex offender for life is insane. The law is insane. Your statement demonstrates a complete lack of empathy and depth of understanding.



    ...but according to you...the law is the law and he should be punished. .....part of the law includes being labeled a sex offender.
    Actually YOU went there, I am talking about this case and not something happening in some uncivilized third world country in which I don't live in nor am I talking about.

    YES he should be punished, even tho I think the punishment was over the top. I am not saying he shouldn't because I think the law is stupid. Get it right. Just because I think he deserves to be punished does not mean I cannot disagree with the level of punishment. It;s there so accept it or fight to change it. If anything had the kid not offed himself he probably would have been let off scotch free had enought ruckus been made about it. but we will never know now will we?


    Ya know stopping and actually thinking, you are right I am showing lack of empathy or understanding. Suicide is such a touchy topic that I don't particuarly do well in. My issues with it, just hit too close to home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post


    Ya know stopping and actually thinking, you are right I am showing lack of empathy or understanding. Suicide is such a touchy topic that I don't particuarly do well in. My issues with it, just hit too close to home.
    I understand about the subject of suicide...I have a hard time with it myself. My youngest brother killed himself and it kicked my ass. I am not sure I will ever be able to come to terms with it....

    As for the "crime" and the "punishment" and the "law"...I am going to take a page out of my life to illustrate the gray area and why empathy and understanding are essential....

    It was 1979 and I was fucking this very sexy man over the course of a month or so. It was wicked hot...one time I pulled him up on the sink facing me and he wrapped his legs around me and put his arms around my neck and then I walked around and I was fucking him in the air while I was carrying him...definitely a top 20 fuck of my life. This isn't a random sexual memory...it is actually integral and important to illustrate who he was for the rest of the incident.

    He would come in to see me right before I got off work and he was a man of few words and pretty much everyone noticed him because he was one of those smoking hot guys ....

    ....and so a month or so into it this other guy (who I didn't like at all which didn't help) came to me as he had seen us together and let me know that not only was he a cop...he was also undercover and had busted him for showing his penis to him in the bathroom and reaching for his hand. He was on track to being convicted and being considered a sexual deviant...this was before the registry...and everywhere he moved for the rest of his life he would have to register with the local police as a sex offender. It would have ruined his life before it even started...he was maybe 22 years old.

    WELL....I had a thousand different thoughts...the first was that I didn't even know my fuck buddy was a police officer.... and a real moral dilemma on my hands because I did not want to become involved. I also didn't say anything to my fuck buddy initially and kinda cut him off because it was a turn off to me that he would entrap someone....even though they were technically "breaking the law" and he was technically hired to enforce it. I thought it was shady that he came into a gay bar and so many people saw him so for all he knew the guy approaching him in any bathroom might have seen him in there...and then there was the privacy thing for me. I felt what we had done had no place in court and it was a consensual act between the two of us. The guy did threaten to have his lawyer subpoena me too which pissed me off....

    ...and then one of the other bartenders took me to lunch one day to try and persuade me to "do the right thing". I listened...and I was not swayed much until he let me know what this would do to the guy who was arrested and how it would impact his life...and how he was contemplating ending his life because of it. I couldn't shake that...

    ...so....I decided on a course of action. I privately told my cop fuck buddy to figure out a way to recant...drop the charges...or I might be forced to come forward. It was a bluff on my part...or at least I thought it was. I am not sure what I would have done if it didn't work....but it DID work.

    This was a case of the "law being the law and he should be punished" .... but the law was out of line and because of that the law would have destroyed this guy's life just for showing his penis in a restroom and reaching for the other guy who was entrapping him if for no other reason because he was in a gay bar enough times coming to meet me and the other guy thought he was gay and waiting for sex.

    This is why I think saying the law is the law and he deserves to be punished is over the top. Life has a lot of gray areas...and this is definitely one of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post
    YES he should be punished, even tho I think the punishment was over the top.
    Then the whole rest of everything you said here was pretty dumb, considering that what's in discussion is the fact that this act had him facing the possible charges of being a sex offender, being on the sex offender registry for life as a result, and that drove him to commit suicide because you might as well have a scarlet letter on your clothing branding you as a rapist or child molester as far as the court of public opinion and your reputation are concerned.

    If you agree the law is dumb then it was a pretty thoughtless and calloused thing to say "oh well, the law is the law and he should be punished."

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    Re: Teen commits suicide after streaking at HS football game, potentially charged as sex offender

    he streaked and he was a kid. big deal.

    the principal on the other hand going on the news and talking about it is an asshole. should be fired.

    nuff said,,




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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post
    Oh well. He should have thought about it better. Silly kid.


    I am more than content to reply to you and your very insensitive post, "Oh Well"REALLY!!
    "He should have thought better of it" REALLY!!
    "Silly KID"REALLY!!
    Dealt with any suicides up-front and personal,gosh wish when i look at the cadaver of a teen-suicide,i could say "oh well"."Silly kid"
    You are so full of empathy and the dynamics of inter-personal psychology,hell,give up your job with the IRS and go train as a Samaritan.
    Am sure you will be winning the "Arsehole" of the Month Award on a regular basis. "Oh well"."Silly Member".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post

    by all means conitnue to have a heart attack over my post.
    I'm sure people wouldn't have if you actually decided to clarify your opinion in your original post instead of making an insensitive comment to get a reaction. It's your own fault that you got the reaction you did, don't get all pissy at other people for it.

    You should have thought about that better, silly kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Despite the enigmatic nature of your observation there is wisdom in your words for the victim expressed his frustration with his circumstances by throwing caution to the wind and baring all....most streakers are exhibitionists with little thought of projecting anything sexual through their rebellious action focused on making a statement...in this case that he believed that he was being unfairly treated....and so he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewC88 View Post
    Actually YOU went there, I am talking about this case and not something happening in some uncivilized third world country in which I don't live in nor am I talking about.

    YES he should be punished, even tho I think the punishment was over the top. I am not saying he shouldn't because I think the law is stupid. Get it right.
    So the kid who killed himself experienced what a first world civilised society had install for him. You're only marginally better off because it's not a death penalty to streak.

    Most of the hysterics about nudity in the US stems from a religious movement geared with self modesty. Those uptight people clutching their pearls and screaming foul because the boy streaked and then uses the sledgehammer of the law to crack his nuts have surely won the moral phyrric victory and saved themselves from being besmirched by his act of wanton lewdness.


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    ^SIR. Wanna get married?

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