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    Border fugitive.

    So, an American in my city who did this:
    Police said the Edmonton man has a history of taking children from playgrounds. In 2006, he was sentenced to time behind bars for assault and unlawful confinement after luring two mentally impaired boys to an Edmonton apartment. One boy was 13, and one was nine. Court heard he smoked crack and blew smoke in their faces.
    He spent nine years in prison for the aggravated sexual assault, in the late 1980s, of an 82-year-old Lethbridge woman who was confined to a wheelchair.
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    …has removed his electronic ankle bracelet and scarpered across the border to the States.

    And the response from officials there is:
    "We have no reason to monitor him because he's not suspected of any crimes in the United States," said Jack Williams, acting deputy chief. "We don't monitor our citizens like that in the U.S."
    again from CBC:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...-say-1.1991534

    Does that not seem like an odd response from anyone supposed to be contributing to the safety of his community?

    Anyway, apparently he still has relatives in the state of Washington where he was born. So if you live there, please have a look at the picture of his face in the link and keep an eye out.
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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Really! That is well and truly disgusting. Especially from a country that carried out secret flights between countries of suspected terrorists. Do as i say,not as i do

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I donít know the legal implications involved, but the CBC article suggests that US detention of the subject individual may be possible.

    A spokesperson with Alberta Justice says that they are working on getting a provisional arrest warrant, which would allow U.S. authorities to detain Stanley.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I don’t know the legal implications involved, but the CBC article suggests that US detention of the subject individual may be possible.
    The news last night (I think we were watching ABC) said there's a process for getting US law enforcement to put out a bulletin on the guy so he'll be picked up, and it's begun. I didn't catch whether it's state or federal -- hopefully federal.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Yes, well, it's one thing if its possible, but I think it should be a little more automatic, wouldn't you say? Both for the benefit of the process of justice here, and for the safety of the community in Washington.

    At the moment, he is still a dangerous fugitive, but apparently the correct piece of paper has to be produced before any notice is taken of this. I think that is a mistake when there is no significant disagreement between Canadian and US law on whether what he did was a crime. It would be a crime in either country. I would have assumed there would be some kind of reciprocal recognition in those cases.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Yes, well, it's one thing if its possible, but I think it should be a little more automatic, wouldn't you say? Both for the benefit of the process of justice here, and for the safety of the community in Washington.

    At the moment, he is still a dangerous fugitive, but apparently the correct piece of paper has to be produced before any notice is taken of this. I think that is a mistake when there is no significant disagreement between Canadian and US law on whether what he did was a crime. It would be a crime in either country. I would have assumed there would be some kind of reciprocal recognition in those cases.
    I don't know the first thing about U.S.-Canadian extradition laws or hot pursuit laws or warrant laws... my guess is, this is a trip-up that happens almost anytime a felon crosses borders and the new host country has to get the paperwork in line to arrest the suspect for extradition. Certainly the crimes he's committed are by no means "not crimes" in the U.S., he'd be (among other things) on a for-life sexual predator list if he were American.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Does that not seem like an odd response from anyone supposed to be contributing to the safety of his community?

    .
    It's hardly an odd response, coming as it does from an administration that refuses to enforce immigration laws.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    It's hardly an odd response, coming as it does from an administration that refuses to enforce immigration laws.
    This is a typical response, coming from someone desperate to whine about the President of the United States at every opportunity.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Interesting, as he appears to be in Canada.

    Authorities say Stanley might now be in southern Alberta after his vehicle, a purple Chevrolet Blazer, was seized from a home in Lethbridge, Alta. Stanley has family ties in the city, and Lethbridge police say they have confirmed that Stanley was in the city on Friday, but they donít know where he is now.
    http://o.canada.com/news/michael-sea...nd-in-alberta/ (8 Oct 2013)

    And of late he is in the US. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10...n_4079221.html (updated 12 Oct 2013)

    Scarlet Pimpernel any one?

    (Note: the pending charges hardly seem extraditable.)

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I don't know the first thing about U.S.-Canadian extradition laws or hot pursuit laws or warrant laws... my guess is, this is a trip-up that happens almost anytime a felon crosses borders and the new host country has to get the paperwork in line to arrest the suspect for extradition. Certainly the crimes he's committed are by no means "not crimes" in the U.S., he'd be (among other things) on a for-life sexual predator list if he were American.
    Would you vote for something a little more streamlined? I would, for cases where the laws of both countries substantially agree. I don't imagine the RCMP or the FBI should be able to just follow someone across the border, but if the person would be a criminal in either place, we should be able to just call each other up at the border and get a "Yup - we're on itÖ"

    I mean, I guaranTEE you if the US border got a call from the Canadian side saying someone was coming down to meet his pal just across the border with a van full of explosives and a koran, there would be no need for any warrants or processes...
    Last edited by bankside; October 12th, 2013 at 11:27 AM.
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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Would you vote for something a little more streamlined? I would, for cases where the laws of both countries substantially agree. I don't imagine the RCMP or the FBI should be able to just follow someone across the border, but if the person would be a criminal in either place, we should be able to just call each other up at the border and get a "Yup - we're on it…"

    I mean, I guaranTEE you if the US border got a call from the Canadian side saying someone was coming down to meet his pal just across the border with a van full of explosives and a koran, there would be no need for any warrants or processes...
    Of course. I wasn't even aware that catching a Canadian felon who fled to the U.S. was this much of a trip-up until you created this thread. I'm honestly surprised we don't have a more smooth-running mutual extradition system for this kind of thing.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    This is a typical response, coming from someone desperate to whine about the President of the United States at every opportunity.
    Are immigration laws being fully enforced? Yes or No?

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I mean, I guaranTEE you if the US border got a call from the Canadian side saying someone was coming down to meet his pal just across the border with a van full of explosives and a koran, there would be no need for any warrants or processes...
    Yeah. Our Muslim president would meet them with open arms.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Obama has deported more illegals than Bush did. Making shit up to suit your fantasies is childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yeah. Our Muslim president would meet them with open arms.
    ATTACK OF THE LIBERAL ELITE

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Are immigration laws being fully enforced? Yes or No?
    This has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration. This is an American criminal going back to his own country where he is an American citizen, when we want to keep him in jail for raping disabled grandmothers and abusing little boys.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yeah. Our Muslim president would meet them with open arms.
    Tell me this is comedy.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yeah. Our Muslim president would meet them with open arms.
    President Obama isn't "Muslim" Henry.

    Still drinking the bitter right wing kool-aid?

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    President Obama isn't "Muslim" Henry.

    Still drinking the bitter right wing kool-aid?
    *Elbow*

    He's a black buffoon, get it right!

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    *Elbow*

    He's a black buffoon, get it right!
    Sorry.

    A black buffoon Muslim communist socialist President.

    Got it now. Thanks.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    It's hardly an odd response, coming as it does from an administration that refuses to enforce immigration laws.
    Please provide a cite that the administration is involved, or admit you're lying.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yeah. Our Muslim president would meet them with open arms.
    Do you have anything besides lies?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Odd and somehow trivial
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    Your post comments are forwarded to the CIA.

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Alberta won't extradite.

    “Mr. Stanley is not currently charged with any offences of violence in Canada,” Dan Laville said in an e-mail Saturday evening. “The charges currently against him do not typically warrant engaging the extradition process. We advised our federal counterparts of the decision [Saturday] afternoon.”
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle14851167/

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    Re: Border fugitive.

    Oh, so basically "Good luck! He's one of yours! You can keep him." I guess that is how self-deportation works?

    It's funny that while he was loose here, he was "a violent and dangerous criminal" yadda yadda. Now it doesn't warrant extradition.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Yeah. Our Muslim president would meet them with open arms.
    I had to share this with you, Henry. It appears you are a Muslim.


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    Re: Border fugitive.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/michael...lice-1.1508091


    So he lasted about a week before sexually assaulting a teenager in Seattle.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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