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    Re: Why does Columbus have a holiday named after him? He wasn't a hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    they're was nothing like racism back then. they met people who were different and who's lifestyle was different,

    we can't judge the past with things we know now.
    Ok well when did racism start then? Who are you to say there wasn't racism back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Ok well when did racism start then? Who are you to say there wasn't racism back then?
    who knows jump in a time tunnel and find out.

    what do I know.
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    Re: Why does Columbus have a holiday named after him? He wasn't a hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Look, we made this annual piss-ant thread go to 3 pages didn't we. Well, actually others did.
    There have been other threads, but I recall only that the fact that Columbus became a slave hunter. I don't ever recall his being a torturer or murderer or money-hungry gold seeker. I didn't know any of this until I read the article I posted. I often wondered why there was a Columbus Day, and now I wonder even more.

    That's why I posed the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    There have been other threads, but I recall only that the fact that Columbus became a slave hunter. I don't ever recall his being a torturer or murderer or money-hungry gold seeker. I didn't know any of this until I read the article I posted. I often wondered why there was a Columbus Day, and now I wonder even more.

    That's why I posed the question.
    Columbus was an independent contractor. Sailing to the edge of the earth was heroic.

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    And if Celts today still largely lived in the cast-offs of the greater mainstream in poverty, the comparison might be remotely relevant.
    That they do not is because the people have recognised they form one society, regardless of how many viking rapists pepper the family tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Columbus was an independent contractor. Sailing to the edge of the earth was heroic.
    It wasn't heroic. That's a fallacy. The concept of a round Earth arose over 2 1/2 thousand years ago. It was proved about 300 years later.

    Columbus and all of his crew knew very well that there was no 'edge of the earth' to fall off of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    It wasn't heroic. That's a fallacy. The concept of a round Earth arose over 2 1/2 thousand years ago. It was proved about 300 years later.

    Columbus and all of his crew knew very well that there was no 'edge of the earth' to fall off of.
    Columbus didn't discover Canada of course

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    In all of recorded history, the single most important event has been the opening by Columbus of the Old World to the New and the New to the Old. It is hypocritical to condemn Columbus, while you live here and joy the result of his accomplishment. A great deal of harm was done to the Native Americans, but far more benefit to mankind as a whole has resulted. The world would be a far less pleasant place without American accomplishments. The lives of the NAs prior was not as glamorous and ideal as the stereotype. The truth is, their lives were pretty miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In all of recorded history, the single most important event has been the opening by Columbus of the Old World to the New and the New to the Old. It is hypocritical to condemn Columbus, while you live here and joy the result of his accomplishment. A great deal of harm was done to the Native Americans, but far more benefit to mankind as a whole has resulted. The world would be a far less pleasant place without American accomplishments. The lives of the NAs prior was not as glamorous and ideal as the stereotype. The truth is, their lives were pretty miserable.
    We could say the world is a better place for the lessons and political change wrought by World War II... fashioning from that a conclusion that Europeans should be thankful for what Hitler did in Europe (hint: what Europe had been doing to the rest of the world for a few centuries) is where it ceases to be an issue of learning from the past or appreciating the present, and starts being revisionism that the conquests of the past were benevolent and for the benefit of the invaded. Which they most patently were not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    We could say the world is a better place for the lessons and political change wrought by World War II... fashioning from that a conclusion that Europeans should be thankful for what Hitler did in Europe .
    the Jews have big debt they owe Hitler. yes because of him maybe 6 million were killed but because of him Israel exists now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    the Jews have big debt they owe Hitler. yes because of him maybe 6 million were killed but because of him Israel exists now.

    sad as it is but that's reality.
    LOL, I don't know if I'd try saying that to an Israeli though.

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    " The truth is, their lives were pretty miserable."

    Did somebody actually just say that?

    So, now it's a matter of putting people out of their misery?

    UNbelievable.

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    Re: Why does Columbus have a holiday named after him? He wasn't a hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Columbus didn't discover Canada of course
    He didn't discover the United States, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In all of recorded history, the single most important event has been the opening by Columbus of the Old World to the New and the New to the Old. It is hypocritical to condemn Columbus
    I'm not condemning him. I've not denied his accomplishment. I simply don't believe he should be celebrated without being remembered for (or being taught about) the evil things he did to feed his greed.

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    LOL, I don't know if I'd try saying that to an Israeli though.
    my doctor told me that and his parents were survivors of the death camps.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    " The truth is, their lives were pretty miserable."

    Did somebody actually just say that?

    So, now it's a matter of putting people out of their misery?

    UNbelievable.
    You are twisting what was said.

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    Re: Why does Columbus have a holiday named after him? He wasn't a hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    He didn't discover the United States, either.



    I'm not condemning him. I've not denied his accomplishment. I simply don't believe he should be celebrated without being remembered for (or being taught about) the evil things he did to feed his greed.
    CC didn't discover anything IMO. He was a fraud. Why would anyone celebrate around him. But I may buy some Columbus salami. I think it's on sale now.

    Then I can start a thread "I just stuffed a whole dry salami up my arse"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You are twisting what was said.
    But he was pretty much on the right track as far as what you were saying.

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    Re: Why does Columbus have a holiday named after him? He wasn't a hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    By no means do I think that American students comprehensively received "a more accurate picture" of Columbus later on in their educations. Most probably never even broached the subject again after elementary school.
    The 'farthest' we got in high school was learning that he kept slaves when he was "given" lands in the New World -- nothing about how he treated them, nothing about the diseases.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm younger than you are, I was educated in California and did not learn a single negative thing about him until I read a college level book that was not part of my required reading. So your assumption would be far from universally true. And our education system does precisely the same thing with Father Junipero Serra-- I didn't have the faintest idea from a California education that he had anything but the best interests of Natives at heart. I didn't learn about how he sewed up tribal elders in the carcasses of bulls and had the solders leave the carcass in the desert to cook people alive for refusing to convert.
    I never learned that until I read a book about all the lies passed on as "education" in our schools.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The 'farthest' we got in high school was learning that he kept slaves when he was "given" lands in the New World -- nothing about how he treated them, nothing about the diseases.



    I never learned that until I read a book about all the lies passed on as "education" in our schools.
    California has supposedly one of the worst primary education systems out there. Might as well be Zimbabwe...

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    1491: New Revelations of the New World Before Columbus by Charles Mann contains a good deal of material that challenges the common characterization of native Americans as naive and helpless against the European colonizers. Indigenous tribes are shown to have entered into alliances with the European settlers to pursue perceived advantages against rival tribes, the most famous being that brought about by Cortes in his campaign to destroy the Aztec empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    It wasn't heroic. That's a fallacy. The concept of a round Earth arose over 2 1/2 thousand years ago. It was proved about 300 years later.

    Columbus and all of his crew knew very well that there was no 'edge of the earth' to fall off of.
    I have maps and atlases that have the earth as flat. With edges.

    The first alleged circumnavigation was 1519 - 1522. Until then no one knew anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Columbus and all of his crew knew very well that there was no 'edge of the earth' to fall off of.
    Columbus for certain -- his crew, not so much.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I have maps and atlases that have the earth as flat. With edges.

    The first alleged circumnavigation was 1519 - 1522. Until then no one knew anything.
    Depends on who you ask as to who knew what and when. The catholic theocrats in control of Europe were not exactly careful custodians of classical wisdom. A lot of information was suppressed in the name of piety during the dark ages. So while the ancient Greeks might have known, and the scholars of the contemporary Islamic caliphates might have known, I wouldn't bet it was understood when Europe was under the thumb of the church. But I don't know, and/or can't remember the answer to what I recall being a fairly well researched question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    1491: New Revelations of the New World Before Columbus by Charles Mann contains a good deal of material that challenges the common characterization of native Americans as naive and helpless against the European colonizers. Indigenous tribes are shown to have entered into alliances with the European settlers to pursue perceived advantages against rival tribes, the most famous being that brought about by Cortes in his campaign to destroy the Aztec empire.
    Of course. Tribes were not without agency and intelligence. I don't think it's ever the tribal perspective implying that tribes were helpless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I have maps and atlases that have the earth as flat. With edges.

    The first alleged circumnavigation was 1519 - 1522. Until then no one knew anything.
    Actually, the ancient Greeks knew the earth was round and very accurately determined it's size by measuring the shadow length of a set length of stick at high noon in several different locations in the Mediterranean area and Egypt.

    I believe the earth became flat in the dark ages, once Christianity took hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I have maps and atlases that have the earth as flat. With edges.

    The first alleged circumnavigation was 1519 - 1522. Until then no one knew anything.
    Actually the curvature of the earth had been measured, proving it was round. Columbus knew that; it was the basis of his voyage. Of course, his figure for the circumference was a bit off....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    Actually, the ancient Greeks knew the earth was round and very accurately determined it's size by measuring the shadow length of a set length of stick at high noon in several different locations in the Mediterranean area and Egypt.
    Still, I'm not sure Terra and Mare Incognita don't trump Aristotelian sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    One should rather ask "how could this not happen," as the histories of humanity repeat this chapter over and over.
    The federal holiday was created in 1937, long before modern sensibilities began to reexamine Columbus and the conquistadors. Remember it was not until Kevin Costner made Dances With Wolves that Hollywood even made a positive portrayal of Native Americans.

    The opportunity for the Holocaust happened because it came on the heels right after WWI. The "great powers" were jaded and slow to rise to the call due to the obvious futility of the carnage that was the Great War.

    It is one thing to say that the rout of the indigenous Americans was inevitable, quite another to dismiss it or not use it as a touchstone to change our attitudes going forward.
    Your ideas here don't really make any sense together as a coherent point. What exactly is your point?

    As I said earlier, there is much I dislike personally about Native American culture, but I'd die just as quickly defending their rights as any culture here that I admire more.
    You first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Still, I'm not sure Terra and Mare Incognita don't trump Aristotelian sticks.
    LOL

    True enough -- just because they (perhaps) knew they could sail around didn't mean they had a clue what was out there.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    LOL

    True enough -- just because they (perhaps) knew they could sail around didn't mean they had a clue what was out there.
    I doubt there weren't ancient European fisherman who found Labrador before the Vikings. Their archaeology is just undiscovered, and their legacy unrecorded. Even in the 16th century it wasn't uncommon for fishing vessels to venture out into Canadians waters, but in our schools' history textbooks, the travels of well publicized explorers is all that remains of Europeans on the East Coast until the Virginia colony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    .... As I said earlier, there is much I dislike personally about Native American culture, but I'd die just as quickly defending their rights as any culture here that I admire more. Each one has its place, regardless of our admiration, dislike, or indifference.
    Let's not get carried away.

    Especially from someone now living alongside the desperate pueblos alongside the desolate New Mexican interstates.

    What happened to the First Peoples is a disgrace. Offering to die for them will serve no purpose. Moving them out of a ghettoized existence will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Let's not get carried away.

    Especially from someone now living alongside the desperate pueblos alongside the desolate New Mexican interstates.

    What happened to the First Peoples is a disgrace. Offering to die for them will serve no purpose. Moving them out of a ghettoized existence will.
    Hear, Hear (I KNEW I got it wrong)

    This is certainly more constructive as a way to get past the legacy we're all here discussing than a sentiment of "well, get with the program" and talking about Vikings or Celts. The legacy of the colonization of the Americas is still highly visible and tangible today, it's not something in the archaic past with no repercussions in the present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Here, here.

    This is certainly more constructive as a way to get past the legacy we're all here discussing than a sentiment of "well, get with the program" and talking about Vikings or Celts. The legacy of the colonization of the Americas is still highly visible and tangible today, it's not something in the archaic past with no repercussions in the present.
    In much of the country it isn't evident, so people can be happily ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    In much of the country it isn't evident, so people can be happily ignorant.
    Very much so--- and it's because of another legacy of colonization, reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Very much so--- and it's because of another legacy of colonization, reservations.
    Some of which are doing quite nicely. One here in Oregon is famous for its hot springs, and the resort around them; others now have casinos -- the closest one to me does well enough from its casino that all tribal members have health care as good as any state employee, and everyone has good housing as well.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Some of which are doing quite nicely. One here in Oregon is famous for its hot springs, and the resort around them; others now have casinos -- the closest one to me does well enough from its casino that all tribal members have health care as good as any state employee, and everyone has good housing as well.
    That's true, it's been a boon for some tribes, mostly small ones. But there is definitely a general misconception in the public that all tribes "have casinos now" and are rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Why is this man remembered as a hero, and why does he have his own holiday?
    I think that if you examine any human you'll find that none are "heroes".

    I haven't given much thought to Columbus in my life, so I don't really know much about him. This thread has been very educational. Thanks for making it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Having lived in Alaska and New Mexico, I have worked alongside Native Americans in greater numbers and proximity than most people I know elsewhere. Sadly, their heavy reliance on casinos works against their interests here quite often, as their own members squander much in gambling and without the expendable income to afford it. They also encourage both drinking and smoking, both of which have devastating effects.
    Many tribes do not want casinos for *exactly* this reason. I think many Americans would be surprised to see the list of tribes that has refused to do anything higher than the level of bingo hall gaming precisely because of what you talked about above, regardless of the financial tradeoff. Additionally, not all tribes are capable or situated in a place where "well, go open a casino" makes any sense, nor are all casinos wildly successful, nor are all tribes small enough to end poverty entrenchment from the revenue of a casino.

    Here's the thing though, a lot of tribes turned to gaming in the first place because it is so difficult for reservation dwellers to start up enterprise due to the legal complexities of tribal nationhood. As one example, all (remaining) tribal land is considered to be held in trust by the Federal Government-- in effect, tribes own it but are unable to to use it as collateral, or borrow against it for the purposes of business capital loans or anything else. And as I think we all know Indians themselves are not wealthy people, they're in fact the poorest demographic in the United States. Indians largely didn't get into casino gaming "instead of more honest and less unsavory enterprises", but rather because it's so difficult for them to get into any other type of business. Also, nearly all of the first Indian casinos got their investments to begin from Asian overseas lenders-- American banks and capital investors routinely panned reservation tribal ideas for resorts or casinos or businesses. (I'm sure more than one of those lenders must have kicked themselves afterwards.) But that was part of a much longer history of banks being unwilling to lend to tribal entities for starting up businesses.

    Despite the "general reputation" that Indians have their own courts (and the accompanying suspicion that they're inherently unfair or corrupt against non-Indians) the typical American is pretty outraged if you explain to them the complex process of what happens if a non-Indian wanders onto a reservation and rapes you or commits some other felony, where due to the legal setup the reservation dweller has no direct power to insist upon a prosecution, and a large number of reservation felonies go unprosecuted.

    This is a *bit* of a tangent but it is relevant insofar as, NA's are not simply an ethnicity like any other. They are also (at least with regard to reservation dwellers and tribal members) of a different legal and political category than any other American citizen, which in a few small ways is beneficial, and in a number of large ways is detrimental. With every other ethnicity, you really only have two legal categories: American citizen or not. The rest of what affects them is social and largely not procedurally or legislatively different. For Indians, your citizenship/tribal membership status will effect everything from how you can borrow money to how (un)equally you are protected against crimes, to even child adoption. There isn't a Bureau of White Affairs white people have to go deal with to do home improvements or refinance their house. There is a Bureau of Indian Affairs.

    The colorblind approach is admirable in theory but it also does completely miss a lot of specific complexity at work insofar as how certain things affect certain groups differently, and how history has shaped that difference.

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    ........and The Book of Mormon unequivocally states that Jared and his brother, at the time of the Tower of Babel, fled across the ocean via unique barges and established an ancient civilization in the Americas. So I guess "Columbus Day" must be renamed "Jared and His Brother Day." Just one of the many million reasons to be grateful Mitt failed to win the Whitehouse. Go figure
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    I agree on Columbus, the Vikings had already landed in North America many years prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Sohma View Post
    ........and The Book of Mormon unequivocally states that Jared and his brother, at the time of the Tower of Babel, fled across the ocean via unique barges and established an ancient civilization in the Americas. So I guess "Columbus Day" must be renamed "Jared and His Brother Day." Just one of the many million reasons to be grateful Mitt failed to win the Whitehouse. Go figure
    LOL

    Those "unique barges" were submarines!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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