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    Neat Way to Describe Unpalatable Truth [SPLIT]

    I thought Dejavudoo's expression (which he used last week) was a neat way to describe an unpalatable truth.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I thought Dejavudoo's expression (which he used last week) was a neat way to describe an unpalatable truth.
    I don't remember seeing it. Can you provide a little more background?

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I don't remember seeing it....
    Put the two pertinent words into the JUB Search engine.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    He's referring to http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post9129719 this post from Hot Topics.

    His intent in re-using it is to provoke.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...His intent ...
    My intent is to speak the truth.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Ö what [Dejavudoo] refers to Pre-Literate America?
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    He's referring to http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post9129719 this post from Hot Topics.

    If your link is correct, I donít understand pat grimshawís question in this thread.

    pat grimshaw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    It is a certainty that the preliterate nature of Native Americans pre-Columbus makes the search very very murky.

    One would also think that a modern shaman might also be subject to the social pressures to increasingly define Native heritage as "not European" in values to the degree that it might take on anti-European stances in interpreting unwritten history.

    I am of two spirits myself when it comes to taking oral tradition with more than a grain of salt. I remember clearly the documentary about genetic tracing of Native Americans to the near-Asian Mongolian race that is presumed to have crossed the land bridge. Once the research was done and the American tribes were all found to have a common ancestor from Mongolian regions within just thousands of years ago, shamans from American tribes were consulted. None of them could accept the science in deference to Native myths about their origins.

    My respect for Native cultures means I recognize their sole right to define themselves and their heritage. My respect for science means I cannot accept any culture's oral or written folklore that contradicts established and objective research.

    Whether that is a factor in two-spirit discussions is not clear.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    I don't understand why writing something down makes it somehow inherently more reliable - assuming that I even understand the point of all of this.

    I thought we were never ever supposed to do forum shopping?
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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I thought we were never ever supposed to do forum shopping?
    That's basically true, but properly introduced~ some inter-forum reference is agreeable.

    In this instance, the truth has yet to fully reveal itself.


    The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. – Winston Churchill

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    If your link is correct, I don’t understand pat grimshaw’s question in this thread.

    pat grimshaw?
    Well I'm totally baffled by all of this. In the context of the discussion on this thread. *scratches head and waits for Grimshaw to elucidate*

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ... I studied an inordinate amount of U.S. History...
    In college? How much on the Pre-Columbian era?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_era

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    There's a question up above for you Pat.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    In college? How much on the Pre-Columbian era?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_era


    There is no U.S. history in the Pre-Columbian.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post


    There is no U.S. history in the Pre-Columbian.
    In Pat's history there is.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    There's a question up above for you Pat.
    Are you referring to #19?

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Are you referring to #19?
    No one told me that this new thread had been created. I was wondering what proportion of the history curriculum in college covers the Pre-Columbian era.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    No one told me that this new thread had been created. I was wondering what proportion of the history curriculum in college covers the Pre-Columbian era.
    Very little. It was entirely your assumption that my education was limited to pre-Columbian or pre-U.S. As usual, you refuse to respond to posts in a direct manner and asked some totally off the point question. The discussion was within the context of U.S. History and you worked in a snide little dig implying some large portion of it was on "preliterate" people and said it was a nice label for an "unpalatable truth."

    What this had to do with anything remains anyone's guess. Though I think we can all guess.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    No one told me that this new thread had been created. I was wondering what proportion of the history curriculum in college covers the Pre-Columbian era.
    That depends on the college, the major, and a student's preference in electives.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...you refuse to respond to posts in a direct manner ....
    Do you think I'm a minnow?

    Do you think I'm a Pygmy Fish that will swim directly into your snapping jaws?

    I know what you're like when you get in a feeding frenzy!

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you think I'm a minnow?

    Do you think I'm a Pygmy Fish that will swim directly into your snapping jaws?

    I know what you're like when you get in a feeding frenzy!
    What, does he bite trolls?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Do you think I'm a minnow?

    Do you think I'm a Pygmy Fish that will swim directly into your snapping jaws?

    I know what you're like when you get in a feeding frenzy!
    I think you know extremely little about topics you insinuate very much about.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I think you Ö
    You could mention it when you see it.

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    Re: Neat Way to Describe Unpalatable Truth [SPLIT]

    This thread exists because I did, precious. Now as usual you're quite clammy. Got nothing to say.

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    Re: Neat Way to Describe Unpalatable Truth [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This thread exists because I did, precious. Now as usual you're quite clammy. Got nothing to say.
    LOL

    I was just about to make the same observation.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I think you know extremely little about topics you insinuate very much about.
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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Well I'm totally baffled by all of this. In the context of the discussion on this thread. *scratches head and waits for Grimshaw to elucidate*
    I'm still waiting. I'm trying to figure out why this statement from Dejavudoo is an unpalatable truth. I'm trying to figure out why the study of pre-columbian north american history is somehow unpalatable. And what it had to do with the other thread?

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I'm still waiting. I'm trying to figure out why this statement from Dejavudoo is an unpalatable truth. I'm trying to figure out why the study of pre-columbian north american history is somehow unpalatable. And what it had to do with the other thread?
    The statement itself is not an unpalatable truth. Rather, it is an implicit criticism of those who cannot accept a truth because of their culture, religion or ideology. Think of the our modern day Tea Party/Conservative/Reactionary Republican Party. Despite overwhelming scientific discovery or scholarship and research with near unanimous agreement, they cannot accept evolution, human induced climate change or that a US Government default would have catastrophic repercussions for the world economy because it contradicts the bible and their ideology.

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    Re: Neat Way to Describe Unpalatable Truth [SPLIT]

    ^ Ah. Thanks for clearing up what Grimshaw intended in his post.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    The statement itself is not an unpalatable truth. Rather, it is an implicit criticism of those who cannot accept a truth because of their culture, religion or ideology. Think of the our modern day Tea Party/Conservative/Reactionary Republican Party. Despite overwhelming scientific discovery or scholarship and research with near unanimous agreement, they cannot accept evolution, human induced climate change or that a US Government default would have catastrophic repercussions for the world economy because it contradicts the bible and their ideology.
    Who was the intended recipient for this criticism and what was the "unpalatable truth?"
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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    The statement itself is not an unpalatable truth. Rather, it is an implicit criticism of those who cannot accept a truth because of their culture, religion or ideology. Think of the our modern day Tea Party/Conservative/Reactionary Republican Party. Despite overwhelming scientific discovery or scholarship and research with near unanimous agreement, they cannot accept evolution, human induced climate change or that a US Government default would have catastrophic repercussions for the world economy because it contradicts the bible and their ideology.
    However in this particular case... the creation story that Indians walked across an icy land bridge 12,000 years ago, was in fact, incorrect. Personally, I have not seen the mindset that Dejavoodoo claims he saw in one documentary (of indeterminate age) where tribal elders en masse of some sort completely rejected science. However, since Dejavoodoo was also citing an obsolete version of Bering Strait tribal mass acceptance or rejection of the theory is almost moot at least insofar as it was an inherently flawed theory which had been rushed into general acceptance for the purposes of racial discrimination (tying legal restrictions of Native Americans to Asian Americans) and not because of its overwhelmingly convincing science or hard evidence trail. Newer theories, particular the carbon dating of campsites in South America and the work done in genetics, blood morphology and dental morphology place the original separation from "primary Asian stock" as substantially further back into history, which incidentally puts it more into line even with non-scientific views of Native Americans themselves on the length of their presence here as being since time immemorial.

    In any event, Pat is hardly qualified to be making any sort of statements regarding pre-Columbian history, or, as I alluded in another thread, if he is he never bothers to qualify any statement he makes and does a tremendous job of hiding his credentials behind behavior which otherwise comes off exclusively as surgically selecting something negative out of any context and running off to make insinuations with it.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    In any event, Pat is hardly qualified to be making any sort of statements regarding pre-Columbian history, or, as I alluded in another thread, if he is he never bothers to qualify any statement he makes and does a tremendous job of hiding his credentials behind behavior which otherwise comes off exclusively as surgically selecting something negative out of any context and running off to make insinuations with it.
    It just hit me: Pat's comments like this strike me as very much like someone at a dinner party who is stoned, and who, not wanting to be left out, jumps in with barely-related comments at the oddest times -- leaving everyone else wondering "WTF???" and him wondering why no one seems impressed with his knowledge.

    Can that happen without being stoned?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It just hit me: Pat's comments like this strike me as very much like someone at a dinner party who is stoned, and who, not wanting to be left out, jumps in with barely-related comments at the oddest times -- leaving everyone else wondering "WTF???" and him wondering why no one seems impressed with his knowledge.

    Can that happen without being stoned?
    It sure can, don't doctors call it "wet brain"? lol.

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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Who was the intended recipient for this criticism and what was the "unpalatable truth?"
    I haven't a clue. We cannot say it was a non sequiter, because it follows nothing. I think Kuli's observation about the stoner at the party may be the best explanation. Where Kuli is wrong is his assumption that Pat was not stoned when he wrote the post.

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    Re: Neat Way to Describe Unpalatable Truth [SPLIT]

    I still have no idea what i just read and I have even less an understanding of why I read that.
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    Re: Quiz question: The first U.S. President to appear on film was.... (take a guess)

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    I haven't a clue. We cannot say it was a non sequiter, because it follows nothing. I think Kuli's observation about the stoner at the party may be the best explanation. Where Kuli is wrong is his assumption that Pat was not stoned when he wrote the post.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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