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    Americans are fighting back

    All over the country, Americans are fighting back and visiting national parks and monuments.

    Michelle Malkin's column is worth a read:



    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/10/09...he-barrycades/

    The article is full of links to the various incidents around the country where Americans are visiting battlefields and other parks in defiance of Obama's order to "inflict maximum pain" by closing them down.

    One of the links even shows that the Park Services has placed traffic cones along a public highway to prevent people from pulling over and looking at a nearby monument.

    http://twitter.com/amerikanthinker/s...428224/photo/1


    If there were any doubts as to the pettiness and small-mindedness of this administration, they should be gone.
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    Michelle Malkin. The person who defended the Japanese internment as a shill for the Bush Administration's prisoner-without-trial policies? Super credible source.

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    Americans are done putting up with congressional bullshit and are taking a stand against the tea party. Good!

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    Re: Americans are fighting back

    Malkin? Really?

    R U SRS?

    Parks and Rec definitely fall under non-essential services.

    The T-baggers can't have it both ways. You can't close down the Government and only keep the things the T-baggers want open.

    If people decide to visit these places...more power to them. At least when one of them gets injured, The Fed Gov't will be able to use the defense in the inevitable personal damages lawsuit that there was no supervision available because of the T-Bag nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Michelle Malkin. The person who defended the Japanese internment as a shill for the Bush Administration's prisoner-without-trial policies? Super credible source.
    Get a grip. Whether or not you like Malkin, the pictures speak for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Parks and Rec definitely fall under non-essential services.

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    Now that you mention non-essential, how about this?

    If 800,000 Federal employees are considered "non-essential" why not fire them permanently, and save the country a ton of money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Get a grip. Whether or not you like Malkin, the pictures speak for themselves.
    You get a grip. You're citing an author who has a known and established history of being willing to completely humiliate herself by defending a policy even the U.S. government had formally apologized for as a mistake decades earlier, just to advance herself and endear herself to neocons and break her way into right-wing pundit world.

    The source is a complete joke. As is any assertion that Obama has somehow personally "stopped" Americans from visiting government-administered historical sites that are currently unstaffed and unfunded because of the Republican government shutdown.

    Read that again Reardon. The Republican government shutdown. Deal with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Now that you mention non-essential, how about this?

    If 800,000 Federal employees are considered "non-essential" why not fire them permanently, and save the country a ton of money?
    Your whole side of the political spectrum are the ones acting like they're being turned away from hospitals while bleeding to death because parks and monuments aren't open.

    Now you're saying those services are so unimportant we should just fire everyone working those jobs.

    Which is it? Cognitive dissonance explosion in your post here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    The source is a complete joke. As is any assertion that Obama has somehow personally "stopped" Americans from visiting government-administered historical sites that are currently unstaffed and unfunded

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    Be careful when you badmouth Malkin - you don't want to be accused of being racist.

    Sources notwithstanding, this picture is real and it speaks volumes about the current administration:

    https://twitter.com/amerikanthinker/...428224/photo/1

    Look it up. The administration has been accused of telling the Park Service to inflict maximum pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Be careful when you badmouth Malkin - you don't want to be accused of being racist.
    Malkin is abhorred by Asian Americans-- myself included. And rightly. She's the Asian version of a Jewish writer defending Nazi concentration camps as a legitimate state security issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Now that you mention non-essential, how about this?

    If 800,000 Federal employees are considered "non-essential" why not fire them permanently, and save the country a ton of money?
    What an idiotic comment! 80% of the services in ANY society are non-essential. Doesn't mean they are unnecessary. Jeebus...

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    What a silly comment. You focus on one thing and ignore the reality at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    What an idiotic comment! 80% of the services in ANY society are non-essential. Doesn't mean they are unnecessary. Jeebus...
    Of course, they're unnecessary. Government only has three legitimate functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    What a silly comment. You focus on one thing and ignore the reality at hand.
    The entire basis of this thread is built upon the farce that Obama personally wanted to deny people access to services or locations that require government staffing, and that Americans are "fighting back" against this injustice.

    Since Obama did not close the government down, there's nothing to discuss here-- other than the fact that you chose a laughably, ridiculously uncredible source known for her wildly controversial and factually deficient bias anytime the far right wing needed a cheerleader.

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    Americans don't fight back by going to parks.

    Americans fight back by shooting people.

    Thread: FAIL.

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    As little as I know about this whole issue going on in America, I know a deflection strategy when I see it.

    In other words, from an outsider's point of view, I find it odd (but very telling) that during this whole political impasse with economic consequences hitting people's jobs and wages, all that Fox News and right-wing sources want to talk about is.... access to national parks and monuments???? Really?

    Classic method of distraction away from what's ACTUALLY important onto a ridiculously minor side-issue. Then ask yourself why. It's because there's propaganda to be made and emotion to be engendered from it.

    In other words, they're saying - IGNORE the big picture - IGNORE the facts - IGNORE the unpopularity of the Republicans - look over here! - it's evil Obama and his minions deliberately throwing WWII veterans out in a communist/fascist plot just like he always is with.... (blah blah blah blah)

    I'm quite amazed some on the right are so easily fooled and misled away from the important issues of the crisis. It rather proves what I've always suspected - that getting their emotional fix of anger for the day is more important than actual facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Get a grip. Whether or not you like Malkin, the pictures speak for themselves.
    Yeah, one says, "I'm a total asshole with no respect!"

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    Since Obama did not close the government down, there's nothing to discuss here-- r.
    Obama is totally responsible for the shutdown because of his abject refusal to negotiate. Congress has passed bill after bill, to which Obama and Harry Reid have said "our way or the highway."

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    Obama is totally responsible for the shutdown because of his abject refusal to negotiate. Congress has passed bill after bill, to which Obama and Harry Reid have said "our way or the highway."
    Your party called 42 votes to repeal Obamacare. 42 failed. What is there to negotiate, other than the fact that your party is engaged in immoral obstruction of government function because they didn't get their way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Malkin is abhorred by Asian Americans-- myself included. And rightly.
    There's no such thing as Asian-Americans. You can be one or the other, but not both.

    Theodore Roosevelt said it best:

    Teddy Roosevelt: "No Room in This Country for Hyphenated Americans"



    “There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”
    “This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”
    “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”
    “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”
    “The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    There's no such thing as Asian-Americans. You can be one or the other, but not both.
    I'm an Asian American. I'm also a mixed race American, and a part Native American.

    Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Obama is totally responsible for the shutdown because of his abject refusal to negotiate. Congress has passed bill after bill, to which Obama and Harry Reid have said "our way or the highway."
    Is that what your masters tell you happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    There's no such thing as Asian-Americans. You can be one or the other, but not both.

    Theodore Roosevelt said it best:

    [I]Teddy Roosevelt: "No Room in This Country for Hyphenated Americans"

    “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”
    Yeah, that's great an' all for those "Americans", but during his time, the discriminatory Chinese Exclusion Act was still in force.

    It wasn't repealed until 1943. For whatever Teddy R believed in, it is only in the recent few years that regret has been publically acknowledged.

    On June 18, 2012, the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution introduced by Congresswoman Judy Chu, that formally expresses the regret of the House of Representatives for the Chinese Exclusion Act, which imposed almost total restrictions on Chinese immigration and naturalization and denied Chinese-Americans basic freedoms because of their ethnicity.[23] The resolution had been approved by the U.S. Senate in October 2011.[24]
    Moreover,

    Even today, although all its constituent sections have long been repealed, Chapter 7 of Title 8 of the United States Code is headed "Exclusion of Chinese."[22] It is the only chapter of the 15 chapters in Title 8 (Aliens and Nationality) that is completely focused on a specific nationality or ethnic group.
    I think that does say something does it not? To focus on a race of people in your law. But what do I know, I'm a foreigner.


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    I'm an Asian American. I'm also a mixed race American, and a part Native American.

    Deal with it.
    Lol why am I not surprised that he defends assimilationist views. As long as everyone assimilates into Anglo-Saxon culture of course. And turns white preferably.

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    Wow look what I found. I also received the same bs picture in 2 spam cut&paste chain letters sent to my email from tea baggers. The same thread is also posted on about a million forums once again from gardening, webcam model blogs, to gamer forums. Cut & paste or nearly the exact same language. This lame shit works for nit wits and old geezers better than showing people who are really losing out because of closed medical services or furloughed workers in the back ground. Its the far rights cash cow.

    The best part of the op's link was reading the red neck John Birch society bigoted post below the article . You can't put a price on stupid. Used to get mad & sad at reading all that crap but you read the same johnny bullshit over and over for years and you just realize those dudes in Kentucky handling venomous snakes for God are so damn backwards its funny.

    For some reason these bags think they are the only true Americans and everyone else isn't a "patriot" or as much a owner of national lands as they are. Whats funny about tubs in this picture throwing the cone is if the thugs had their way that would be a leased mining operation and you can bet your last buck they would get their marching orders from a well owned private security force contracted to "Peabody Mineral". The baggers and hardcore right wouldn't have a care in the fucking world if all the national lands were leased or sold to private industry to destroy but get there panties in a wad over lightweight plastic cones.

    Where did the WWII vets go before the memorial was open,( mainly built with private funds on the mall) prior to 2004?? They wouldn't be happy if the idea to build a 9 acre memorial used tax dollars many would raise hell.

    Only a moron wouldn't realize the cones and fence won't keep people out. However its a good way to easily bust any hard core trouble makers quickly as its posted. Rareboy brought up the legal aspects as well . I grew up in DC and have been to a lot of places after they were closed and sometimes got a warning , sometimes told to leave,often it was no big deal. I did get busted once for being on the C&O canal when it was closed after dark.
    This outrage is simpleton fodder as to think the National Park Service isn't aware of what people will do regardless of temporary fences and plastic cones. Now to get some of these baggers in the latrine with a scrub brush and cleaner or dump the trash is another matter, old tubs in the poster doesn't look like he has much appetite for good ole volunteer work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Obama's order to "inflict maximum pain"
    Would that be the order that came after the GOP's one to pull the plug???

    The whole world knows who is at fault over this shutdown, all the pettiness surrounding the debacle can't hide that. You can keep trying to stain the Democrats as much as you want, it wouldn't be viable without the Republicans recklessness to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Theodore Roosevelt said it best:

    Teddy Roosevelt: "No Room in This Country for Hyphenated Americans"

    … October 12th, 1915
    During that era, the “hyphenated” reference was generally regarded as a derogatory term used to disparage or demean persons who were not English-Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Obama is totally responsible for the shutdown because of his abject refusal to negotiate. Congress has passed bill after bill, to which Obama and Harry Reid have said "our way or the highway."
    Guess who said this, and who supported it:

    [A]s we debate this and as we make our final vote, let us not punish our seniors, let us not punish our elderly, let us not punish our military just to score political points. If the debt ceiling is not increased, America cannot pay its bills. We cannot meet existing obligations. We will not ultimately have the cash on hand to pay Social Security benefits, military retirement, Medicare benefits, unemployment benefits and other trust fund obligations. As raw as this recent election was, as bitterly contested as it was, with hurt feelings all around, we need to work together as Americans to take responsibility for our bills.Let us not default on our obligations. Let us not stop the checks to our needy who are counting on us. Let us not use our elderly as political pawns in trade for a seven second sound byte back home. They deserve better. We have a responsibility to pay our bills
    .

    The thinking above applies to funding the government just as much. Whose view do you think that was?

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    Clearly Obama has won by refusing to be taken hostage by a bunch of moron Tea Baggers--He made a deal once but Boner is no one to be trusted as crybaby only wants to be speaker----anyone who doesn't live in a bubble knows the republican congress is responsible to this---they closed the national parks THEY DID and they are so devious that they are blaming the Obamathat's like farting and saying the dog did it---but the Koch brothers told boner to surrender as the gop has the lowest approval rating in history AND if the election were held today the Dems would take back congress.

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    So much wrong with this thread.

    Calling them "barry" - cades. In other words blaming the President for the government shutdown when the world knows it's because of right wing republicans.

    Fighting back by closed visiting parks? Should Americans fight back by illegally entering other closed facilities?

    But the biggest thing wrong with this thread is giving Michelle Malkin any credence. She's a loves of torture, and demonizes liberals at almost every opportunity she can. Oh, and she loves her ACORN conspiracies. She raised allegations that John Kerry had deliberately wounded himself to earn a purple heart.

    Take what she writes and don't believe it. She's a hack that thrives on making trouble.

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    I'm an Asian American. I'm also a mixed race American, and a part Native American.

    Deal with it.
    There's no such thing as a Native American. The American Indians came from somewhere else, just as we all did.
    They were here a few thousand years earlier, but they aren't truly native.

    Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTeam View Post
    Would that be the order that came after the GOP's one to pull the plug???

    The whole world knows who is at fault over this shutdown, all the pettiness surrounding the debacle can't hide that. You can keep trying to stain the Democrats as much as you want, it wouldn't be viable without the Republicans recklessness to begin with.
    The whole world is beginning to realize that the current POTUS is a black buffoon. Look at what the foreign press are saying about our clown-in-chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    There's no such thing as a Native American. The American Indians came from somewhere else, just as we all did.
    They were here a few thousand years earlier, but they aren't truly native.

    Deal with it.
    Using that logic we are all from Africa originally or maybe Indonesia early man sites. But come on we aren't going back that far. Native American is a very well understood term in the states. Your appeal to semantics are a bit misplaced and wrong. Deal with what? Your hand is empty!
    Your post comments are forwarded to the CIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    There's no such thing as a Native American. The American Indians came from somewhere else, just as we all did.
    They were here a few thousand years earlier, but they aren't truly native.

    Deal with it.
    This is based on the disproven Bering Strait Theory. Your facts are several decades out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    The whole world is beginning to realize that the current POTUS is a black buffoon. Look at what the foreign press are saying about our clown-in-chief.
    A true white buffoon racist statement...

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    You get a grip. You're citing an author who has a known and established history of being willing to completely humiliate herself by defending a policy even the U.S. government had formally apologized for as a mistake decades earlier, just to advance herself and endear herself to neocons and break her way into right-wing pundit world.

    The source is a complete joke. As is any assertion that Obama has somehow personally "stopped" Americans from visiting government-administered historical sites that are currently unstaffed and unfunded because of the Republican government shutdown.

    Read that again Reardon. The Republican government shutdown. Deal with facts.
    Ok, time to be serious. Don't you think the NPS should be putting up traffic cones along state highways to keep people from stopping and looking at Mount Rushmore?

    I think it's one of the most pitiful things anyone in a leadership position could do. It shows how shallow and spiteful a human being can be.

    ... but then again there's the example of keeping benefits from soldier's families after the soldier has given the ultimate sacrifice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Ok, time to be serious. Don't you think the NPS should be putting up traffic cones along state highways to keep people from stopping and looking at Mount Rushmore?

    I think it's one of the most pitiful things anyone in a leadership position could do. It shows how shallow and spiteful a human being can be.

    ... but then again there's the example of keeping benefits from soldier's families after the soldier has given the ultimate sacrifice.
    I think that as ChickenGuy noted this is a ridiculous thing to even be discussing when people are going without paychecks because your party won't get its junk together and deal with the fact that it can't control its extremist elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    The whole world is beginning to realize that the current POTUS is a black buffoon. Look at what the foreign press are saying about our clown-in-chief.
    Absolutely no need whatsoever to have referenced 'black'. And i haven't seen anything in the press over here that damns Obama more than the right wingers of the Repubs.

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    ^quite right...the correct usage is "African American" isn't it?

    Oh wait you are from the Uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ^quite right...the correct usage is "African American" isn't it?

    Oh wait you are from the Uk

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    The correct usage is to omit either black OR african-american. Race is not relevant in that comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Michelle Malkin's column is worth a read:
    Michelle Malkin's column isn't worthy of lining the bottom of a birdcage.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    During that era, the “hyphenated” reference was generally regarded as a derogatory term used to disparage or demean persons who were not English-Americans.
    I had my hyphen surgically removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    There's no such thing as a Native American. The American Indians came from somewhere else, just as we all did.
    They were here a few thousand years earlier, but they aren't truly native.

    Deal with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    The whole world is beginning to realize that the current POTUS is a black buffoon. Look at what the foreign press are saying about our clown-in-chief.

    You're very focused and critical of other races. What's going on with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    There's no such thing as a Native American. The American Indians came from somewhere else, just as we all did.
    They were here a few thousand years earlier, but they aren't truly native.
    By that logic, Henry, you would be an African-American

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTeam View Post
    The correct usage is to omit either black OR african-american. Race is not relevant in that comment.
    Then it's not a matter of usage but that wasn't the point I was trying to make which was to a matter of clarification on usage of the two terms in terms of which is more acceptable. A bit off-topic perhaps and in this case not relevant. It's pretty clear racial identity isn't an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Than it's not a matter of usage.
    You're the one who misunderstood the point as black vs. African-American.

    DreamTeam was saying bringing it up at all in a comment about the President's performance told us more about the speaker's bias than about the President. And he was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You're the one who misunderstood the point as black vs. African-American.

    DreamTeam was saying bringing it up at all in a comment about the President's performance told us more about the speaker's bias than about the President. And he was right.
    Yep he was right and I went back and looked Reardon's posts too again. I was wrong but since I can't go back and clarify and edit due to the rules of this forum my post stands.

    My apologies in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTeam View Post
    Absolutely no need whatsoever to have referenced 'black'. And i haven't seen anything in the press over here that damns Obama more than the right wingers of the Repubs.
    Then you've had your head in the sand.

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    You're very focused and critical of other races. What's going on with that?
    And you're wasting time trying to divert the discussion from the topic at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And you're wasting time trying to divert the discussion from the topic at hand.
    You brought up race, three times in your own thread.

    First when you implied I was open to an accusation of racism for denouncing Michelle Malkin as a credible source;

    Second when you lectured me on how to identify my own ethnic background and posted the century-old opinion of a dead President;

    Third when you called the President a "black buffoon."

    Now you want to complain that it's off topic?

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