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    Cracks Emerge Among Democrats on Shutdown

    DC Mayor, Vincent Gray, publicly confronted Harry Reid while Reid was holding a Capitol steps press conference. Gray wanted to know when Reid would allow the city to be exempted from the current shutdown.

    Reid responded with:
    "I’m on your side, don’t screw it up, okay? Don’t screw it up.”
    Typical nasty remark by Reid.

    House republicans have passed a bill to allow money for DC operations. The Senate under Harry Reid refuses to even bring up the funding bill for a vote.

    "At their own news conference on the Capitol grounds Wednesday, Gray and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D) highlighted the partisan contradictions while detailing the drastic effect of the cash crunch on the District government — including schools, health care, services for the disabled and senior programs.

    “Democrats, at this critical moment, have abandoned their long-held principles,” Norton said, calling it “shameful ... to hold the city’s local funds hostage to make a federal point.

    In a particular jab at Democrats, the event featured remarks from Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, who called on Reid and his allies to pass a D.C. funding bill — and at one point alluded to a favored bit of tea party rhetoric."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...7d8_story.html
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    My country is controlled by two big parties who bitch about each other constantly.

    But the Labour Party (a misnomer of a name) has two factions within it who bitch about each other constantly.

    The Labour Party has splits every ten years.


    I understand the Tea Party split from the Republicans, didn't they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    My country is controlled by two big parties who bitch about each other constantly.

    But the Labour Party (a misnomer of a name) has two factions within it who bitch about each other constantly.

    The Labour Party has splits every ten years.


    I understand the Tea Party split from the Republicans, didn't they?

    No. They're more like an internal sect that is aggressively pushing the whole party to stick to very far-right agendas. The Republicans are afraid to break rank with them because they could lose to Tea Party candidates in primary challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...The Republicans are afraid to break rank with them because they could lose to Tea Party candidates in primary challenges.
    I reckon your system is as messed up as ours with the two big parties who bitch about each other constantly. At least Britain has 3 or 4 parties to bitch with each other constantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    No. They're more like an internal sect that is aggressively pushing the whole party to stick to very far-right agendas. The Republicans are afraid to break rank with them because they could lose to Tea Party candidates in primary challenges.
    And they have no Democratic analogue so the Republican party gets skewed more "right"..or do the dems have their own extreme sect too?

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    There is no left party in the US, the Dems are basically what Republicans used to be. If you want left, you have to leave the two party system. Part of the reason the Dems are so centrist is because they basically jettisoned the hard leftists (and most of the socialists.)

    The Pubs are skewed right because they gerrymandered all these "safe" districts which give extremely exaggerated voices to the crazy, and because a system in which one is only allowed choice A or choice B, isn't really a Republic. It may have worked for awhile, but it needs to be shattered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    ... it needs to be shattered.
    I agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    ....they basically jettisoned the hard leftists (and most of the socialists.)...
    And what happened to them? So of them may have had talent.

    I get the impression that The US Occupy Movement was treated as a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    There is no left party in the US, the Dems are basically what Republicans used to be. If you want left, you have to leave the two party system. Part of the reason the Dems are so centrist is because they basically jettisoned the hard leftists (and most of the socialists.)

    The Pubs are skewed right because they gerrymandered all these "safe" districts which give extremely exaggerated voices to the crazy, and because a system in which one is only allowed choice A or choice B, isn't really a Republic. It may have worked for awhile, but it needs to be shattered.
    ugh...yeas gerrymandering forgot about that...but dems have no gerrymandering of their own? This seems tough to believe. Dems jettisoned Communists also or are they in the right end of the political spectrum now? hehe
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    The weird comparison one might make is that the parties have shifted capabilities to be united.

    What I mean by that is for 30 years the republican party was a centrist party that took in bible thumpers, economic conservatives and the neocon/warhawk crowd. At the same time the Democrtic party liked to call attention to their giant tent that had all kinds. Unfortunately for making policy all the democratic 'sides' warred and made the party look fractured and weak. Fast forward to Bill Clinton and you had a guy who spoke softly in terms of social programs while staying strong internationally. SO he brought many of those middle ground republicans to his tent. George Bush used terms like compassionate republican to garner the same middle ground and assure votes, then ran off of the war on terror. Democrats LEARNED while Bush ran up deficits that alienated the fiscal conservatives, lead complicated war efforts that silenced the warhawks and while he embraced the thumpers, everyone since him has been trying to get further right to erase the debts they created and embrace the thumpers that were the group ousted by the last two republican campaigns. Meanwhile democrats solidified around a carry water for a national leadership of BO who is pretty damn centrist. If you compare the international policies of Ronald Reagan and Barrack Obama you would find similar types of actions. Hell if BO gets Syria to give up chemicals and brings Iran to the table, republicans will hate every second of a DEM solving the nations international issues peacefully.

    Right now the alienated groups of the republican party have formed into a coalition (a very loose coalition ) that are centered around the idea that the party isnt god fearing and small government enough BUT they say ignorant hateful things towards large segments of the voting population. Just consider the 47% who are just lazy takers comment. SO they completely alienate the middle ground.

    .... that is my cliff notes version.


    As far as Democrats showing cracks in the current kurfuckle?? That is absolutely NOTHING compared to the thirty different directions the republican flash mod is going. Admit it Jack the reason your party sucks giraffe balls is because they cant figure out where they stand on ANYTHING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    The Pubs are skewed right because they gerrymandered all these "safe" districts which give extremely exaggerated voices to the crazy, and because a system in which one is only allowed choice A or choice B, isn't really a Republic. It may have worked for awhile, but it needs to be shattered.
    Neither party has a patent on gerrymandered districts, especially when you look at districts which were wildly skewed to allow a black to win. Here in Florida the district represented by Corrine Brown is a perfect example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ugh...yeas gerrymandering forgot about that...but dems have no gerrymandering of their own? This seems tough to believe. Dems jettisoned Communists also or are they in the right end of the political spectrum now? hehe
    Texas was gerrymandered by Dems for at least a century, then they all became 'Pubs and continued the tradition. But these days - there is no need for massive Dem gerrymandering. The Pubs did it because they were looking obsolescence in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    .... that is my cliff notes version. ...
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Neither party has a patent on gerrymandered districts, especially when you look at districts which were wildly skewed to allow a black to win. Here in Florida the district represented by Corrine Brown is a perfect example.
    ^ Is this an admission that "against black" = "Republican"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    My country is controlled by two big parties who bitch about each other constantly.

    But the Labour Party (a misnomer of a name) has two factions within it who bitch about each other constantly.

    The Labour Party has splits every ten years.


    I understand the Tea Party split from the Republicans, didn't they?

    The republican party is a big tent party. You can have diverse views and are allowed to express them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The republican party is a big tent party. You can have diverse views and are allowed to express them.
    Well, unless the Tea Party doesn't like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The weird comparison one might make is that the parties have shifted capabilities to be united.

    What I mean by that is for 30 years the republican party was a centrist party that took in bible thumpers, economic conservatives and the neocon/warhawk crowd. At the same time the Democrtic party liked to call attention to their giant tent that had all kinds. Unfortunately for making policy all the democratic 'sides' warred and made the party look fractured and weak. Fast forward to Bill Clinton and you had a guy who spoke softly in terms of social programs while staying strong internationally. SO he brought many of those middle ground republicans to his tent. George Bush used terms like compassionate republican to garner the same middle ground and assure votes, then ran off of the war on terror. Democrats LEARNED while Bush ran up deficits that alienated the fiscal conservatives, lead complicated war efforts that silenced the warhawks and while he embraced the thumpers, everyone since him has been trying to get further right to erase the debts they created and embrace the thumpers that were the group ousted by the last two republican campaigns. Meanwhile democrats solidified around a carry water for a national leadership of BO who is pretty damn centrist. If you compare the international policies of Ronald Reagan and Barrack Obama you would find similar types of actions. Hell if BO gets Syria to give up chemicals and brings Iran to the table, republicans will hate every second of a DEM solving the nations international issues peacefully.

    Right now the alienated groups of the republican party have formed into a coalition (a very loose coalition ) that are centered around the idea that the party isnt god fearing and small government enough BUT they say ignorant hateful things towards large segments of the voting population. Just consider the 47% who are just lazy takers comment. SO they completely alienate the middle ground.

    .... that is my cliff notes version.


    As far as Democrats showing cracks in the current kurfuckle?? That is absolutely NOTHING compared to the thirty different directions the republican flash mod is going. Admit it Jack the reason your party sucks giraffe balls is because they cant figure out where they stand on ANYTHING.
    Harry Reid and the democrats have forsaken the District and are not allowing them to conduct their business.

    Reid's comment about 'don't screw it up' shows that democrats are not nearly as unified as you and other say they are. They see themselves getting blamed for all the crazy shutdowns and refusal of payments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Texas was gerrymandered by Dems for at least a century, then they all became 'Pubs and continued the tradition. But these days - there is no need for massive Dem gerrymandering. The Pubs did it because they were looking obsolescence in the face.
    Democrats gerrymandered for decades controlling the US Congress. Things change -- now republican control most state legislatures -- get used to it for a while and don't get your panties in a wad -- things will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Democrats gerrymandered for decades controlling the US Congress. Things change -- now republican control most state legislatures -- get used to it for a while and don't get your panties in a wad -- things will change.
    We're seeing that change... your party is unable to act because it is terrified any move it makes to engage in responsible governing will cost them seats to Tea Party candidates.

    Is that a good thing? Even for a Republican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    We're seeing that change... your party is unable to act because it is terrified any move it makes to engage in responsible governing will cost them seats to Tea Party candidates.

    Is that a good thing? Even for a Republican?
    Things are not as bad as you think they are. I've seen much more concern about the health of the republican party from democrats than republicans -- if you watch MSNBC for any amount of time, it's one of their main topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The republican party is a big tent party. You can have diverse views and are allowed to express them.
    Is that why your guys have to lie in the primaries and pretend they're fanatical crazies, or they don't get elected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Things are not as bad as you think they are. I've seen much more concern about the health of the republican party from democrats than republicans -- if you watch MSNBC for any amount of time, it's one of their main topics.
    I don't know. The Speaker of your party's House majority seems pretty afraid for his position.

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    One example of a difference between a city mayor and a Senator, whereas on the republican side you can get ten different views from three different house members.... then multiply those differences time the entire republican party in the house.

    It is very easy to see that republicans are in no way unified. Dem senate and congresspersons are all on the same page.
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    Is that why your guys have to lie in the primaries and pretend they're fanatical crazies, or they don't get elected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    We're seeing that change... your party is unable to act because it is terrified any move it makes to engage in responsible governing will cost them seats to Tea Party candidates.

    Is that a good thing? Even for a Republican?
    I don't know if I would take (yes I do but I'm trying to be nicer) at face value the claim that "Democrats did it for decades to control Congress." Gerrymandering requires control of a bunch of things, Dems in decades past were simply too different in their interests for some vast conspiracy. Yellow Dogs and New England Liberals made very, very, very strange bedfellows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    One example of a difference between a city mayor and a Senator, whereas on the republican side you can get ten different views from three different house members.... then multiply those differences time the entire republican party in the house.

    It is very easy to see that republicans are in no way unified. Dem senate and congresspersons are all on the same page.
    They aren't unified about SOME things, like the best way to survive as a party. Mostly they DO agree.
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    Re: Cracks Emerge Among Democrats on Shutdown

    The crack widens .....

    At Obama's special meeting with democrats (Americans that Obama will talk with) there was a heated exchange between the President and Rep. Norton.

    "Making her point, Norton spoke over the president and refused to yield the microphone, according to a lawmaker who attended the event. The lawmaker described Norton as "strident," "self-absorbed" and "parochial" in her exchange with Obama."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-bill/?print=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I don't know if I would take (yes I do but I'm trying to be nicer) at face value the claim that "Democrats did it for decades to control Congress." Gerrymandering requires control of a bunch of things, Dems in decades past were simply too different in their interests for some vast conspiracy. Yellow Dogs and New England Liberals made very, very, very strange bedfellows.
    Oh I agree. But Republicans have their desperate need to qualify everything they do with "Look, some Democrat at some point in some totally different context did it too", so I just let them cling to that because it doesn't change the fact that what's happening with the Republican gerrymandering isn't good for anyone-- not even the Republicans at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Oh I agree. But Republicans have their desperate need to qualify everything they do with "Look, some Democrat at some point in some totally different context did it too", so I just let them cling to that because it doesn't change the fact that what's happening with the Republican gerrymandering isn't good for anyone-- not even the Republicans at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    What's the fable? Being on a tiger's back? Or is it a wolf, I can never remember.
    The scorpion and the fox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The republican party is a big tent party. You can have diverse views and are allowed to express them.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The republican party is a big tent party. You can have diverse views and are allowed to express them.
    But not quite big enough to include the views of blacks, women, immigrants, Latinos, Muslims, or gays.

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    But not quite big enough to include the views of blacks, women, immigrants, Latinos, Muslims, or gays.
    Oh their views are welcome - as long as they include vicious self-hatred.
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    But not quite big enough to include the views of blacks, women, immigrants, Latinos, Muslims, or gays.
    Oh, come now -- the GOP has binders full of views.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    ^ Is this an admission that "against black" = "Republican"?
    It's a statement that favoritism seldom produces good results. Corinne Brown is as corrupt as they come.

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    It is both actually. Your statement directly implied that for people to vote black, they'd need to be democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Is that why your guys have to lie in the primaries and pretend they're fanatical crazies, or they don't get elected?
    When they get into office, all pretenses are off.

    Virtually all the Republicans voted to shut down the government, and put the entire planet's economy at risk. In the states they're making sure that Democrats cannot vote ("Voter ID, so that Governor Romney is gonna win the state of Pennsylvania - DONE!!"), and that it is impossible for women to get abortions and even often no prenatal care or cancer screenings, etc. VILE.

    If the October 17 thing happens and the USA defaults (which is inevitable), I fully expect that CHINA will call all of its loans. That would be a kind of economic death...
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    If the October 17 thing happens and the USA defaults (which is inevitable), I fully expect that CHINA will call all of its loans. That would be a kind of economic death...
    In all fairness, I think that would be a kind of MAD-like thing for China to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    In all fairness, I think that would be a kind of MAD-like thing for China to do.
    Are you maybe saying that is China were a restaurant, the USA was a giant family that all eat there for every meal... and if they pushed them out the door then the restaurant would suffer greatly?

    I agree if that is where you are headed.

    What would most likely happen is the Dollar would lose its status as the world currency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    ... and if they pushed them out the door then the restaurant would suffer greatly?
    The primary risk involved in the US’ consistent flirting with a “dead beat” label is an increase of the interest associated with that exact thing.

    Meanwhile, China's balloon has its own fear of pricks.


    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    What would most likely happen is the Dollar would lose its status as the world currency.
    That will probably happen eventually, regardless of all else.

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    Yeah but the yuan becoming world currency will not occur until they demonstrate they wont manipulate it for self interest AND after they have eclipsed our spending rates... which should be in 2025-ish
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Yeah but the yuan becoming world currency will not occur until they demonstrate they wont manipulate it for self interest AND after they have eclipsed our spending rates... which should be in 2025-ish
    I'm not suggesting the yuan will be the next world currency; however, the limitations you've enumerated probably qualify within the limitations imposed by “eventually.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I'm not suggesting the yuan will be the next world currency; however, the limitations you've enumerated probably qualify within the limitations imposed by “eventually.”
    Yeah it is an eventual, with them becoming the powerhouse, unless we give up the ghost early, then it could become a European currency but I dont know of a European economy that is robust enough to stabilize world financial transactions.
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    Re: Cracks Emerge Among Democrats on Shutdown

    If the possibility of default is that big in your mind wouldn't it make since for the President of the United States to do anything within his abilities to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Wouldn't a first step be talking?

    I guess that what's he's finally doing today.

    Another crack in the democrat position.

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    I suspect he's going to accept the surrender of the right wingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    There is no left party in the US, the Dems are basically what Republicans used to be. If you want left, you have to leave the two party system. Part of the reason the Dems are so centrist is because they basically jettisoned the hard leftists (and most of the socialists.)

    The Pubs are skewed right because they gerrymandered all these "safe" districts which give extremely exaggerated voices to the crazy, and because a system in which one is only allowed choice A or choice B, isn't really a Republic. It may have worked for awhile, but it needs to be shattered.
    The limitation to two parties is inherent and inevitable when the President is directly elected. Any third party is counter productive as it swings the election to the candidate it likes least. Nader drained off democrats and elected Bush. Perot deflected Republicans and elected Clinton. T. Roosevelt's Bull Moose party deflected Republicans and elected Wilson. Neither party dares move to an extreme because it would lose centrist votes.
    This is changing by Democrat demographic policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If the possibility of default is that big in your mind wouldn't it make since for the President of the United States to do anything within his abilities to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Wouldn't a first step be talking?
    You can't "talk" when there's a gun to your head.

    That's not negotiation, it is extortion.

    The president has absolutely no choice in this matter. He cannot allow legislation by extortion. He must protect democracy in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If the possibility of default is that big in your mind wouldn't it make since for the President of the United States to do anything within his abilities to make sure it doesn't happen.

    Wouldn't a first step be talking?

    I guess that what's he's finally doing today.

    Another crack in the democrat position.
    It's ever so fascinating that you're gleeful about the perceived "cracks" in the democrats' position, yet care nothing about the cult hijacking your party and destroying the political process...

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    I think this situation has shown that every Republican still at JUB is an ideologue, first and foremost, pure and simple. The ends justify the means. They do not seem particularly interested or concerned in what tactics get used to achieve a perceived "good" or "win" for the right, even though they would have absolutely no problem criticizing this if the parties were reversed.

    Democracy, the Constitution, ehh what's that. We'll break them if we want to, it's only the Dems who will be constantly accused of ignoring the Constitution (and usually baselessly.)

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    Re: Cracks Emerge Among Democrats on Shutdown

    Another example in the crack is that Obama only has a 37% approval rating.

    37% is lower than George Bush at this time during his presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another example in the crack is that Obama only has a 37% approval rating.

    37% is lower than George Bush at this time during his presidency.
    This is like bringing up Paula Deen's approval rating since Obama is not the person who shut down the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This is like bringing up Paula Deen's approval rating since Obama is not the person who shut down the government.
    It shows that a large majority of the people are not happy with Obama's job performance and probably was one the reasons Obama has agreed to talk with House republicans.

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