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    The "true origin" of Obamacare

    http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/10/hitlercare-vs-obamacare/

    A little bit flabbergasted over here. What do you guys think? (Did Michelle Malkin suddenly become male?)

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Godwin's Law in the OP!


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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Social healthcare = fascist revival. That's anti-socialism for you. Crock of s***.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Whut.

    The.

    Fuck.

    Last time I checked though, we haven't been looking to establish a thousand year reich in Canada...even though we have a single payer, universal care.

    By the way, the Volkswagen was another Hitler inspired brain notion that seemed to survive without somehow driving all the American motorists to chant 'Arbeit Macht Frei'.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    God! I detect Poe's Law also!

    This thread is a treasure trove!

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    I thought it came from Satan.
    Last edited by T-Rexx; October 7th, 2013 at 03:03 PM.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I thought it came from Satan.
    It did. Mitt Romney was glad to tout it as an accomplishment before Obama borrowed ideas heavily from it.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Whut.

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    Last time I checked though, we haven't been looking to establish a thousand year reich in Canada...even though we have asingle payer, universal care.

    By the way, the Volkswagen was another Hitler inspired brain notion that seemed to survive without somehow driving all the American motorists to chant 'Arbeit Macht Frei'.
    What is "Das Auto" all about?
    BEWARE! Harassing the Indian may result in sudden and severe hair loss.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    WND commentary = Wing Nut diary?

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    WorldNetDaily and Joseph Farah

    The pillars of journalistic reliability :lol

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    the title Hitlercare vs. Obamacare is stupid and a waste of time reading it.


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    What a shit article by a person whose race is so persecuted and who the good majority of have to take there kids to emergency rooms because they can not afford health care I take it he is wealthy. I live in London being American and British I have free healthcare. The most Socialist country on Earth is Sweden check out how well they do. By the way it takes a long, long time to become and American citizen its not an overnight thing the way one person tried to say it.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    I do not normally get involved in political arguments as there is never a universally correct answer acceptable to both sides. Everything boils down to compromise. However, I do feel that every citizen has a right to healthcare and that it should not be only the privilege of those who can pay for it. Surely, the same can be said for education. There is a wrongly held view in the United States that we Brits are almost taxed out of existence by our national Health Service. That is far from true - like any monolithic organizations it has its problems but it is still free to all at the point of delivery and while there will always be people who abuse the system, on the whole we would not be without this service.



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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    ^The same reality exists here in bankrupt Greece with our national health service breaking at the seams, no one is denied healthcare/emergency treatment for lack of money...with a new measure now being introduced to charge Euros 25 per person per hospital accident, and emergency room visit to act as a deterrence for those who use a hospital emergency room as a convenience in preference to a local physician for minor matters.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Autolycus View Post
    I do not normally get involved in political arguments as there is never a universally correct answer acceptable to both sides. Everything boils down to compromise. However, I do feel that every citizen has a right to healthcare and that it should not be only the privilege of those who can pay for it. Surely, the same can be said for education. There is a wrongly held view in the United States that we Brits are almost taxed out of existence by our national Health Service. That is far from true - like any monolithic organizations it has its problems but it is still free to all at the point of delivery and while there will always be people who abuse the system, on the whole we would not be without this service.
    Also the tax money that you otherwise would have to spend on yourself private care goes to fund the NHS. People in the US are just so stuck in the Cold War, they conflate universal care with the USSR.
    Last edited by Alnitak; October 8th, 2013 at 09:09 AM.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Also the tax money that you otherwise would have to spend on yourself private care goes to fund the NHS.
    I find it's very difficult to explain to people with the concept of a nationalized healthcare system that "you pay for those people already" when they immediately bring up not wanting to pay for people who can't pay.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I find it's very difficult to explain to people with the concept of a nationalized healthcare system that "you pay for those people already" when they immediately bring up not wanting to pay for people who can't pay.
    Well if you are healthy and carry insurance, you are paying for those people already. Insurance is just as socialist as government care, only insurance corporations are not commonly owned.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well if you are healthy and carry insurance, you are paying for those people already. Insurance is just as socialist as government care, only insurance corporations are not commonly owned.
    And have a private profit interest in denying the service you pay them to provide, whenever possible.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Autolycus View Post
    There is a wrongly held view in the United States that we Brits are almost taxed out of existence by our national Health Service.
    You spend only about 44% of what the USA spends per person per year on healthcare. But you enjoy better outcomes and support more doctors per capita than the USA.

    There is a perception in the USA that Obamacare will tax America out of existence. In fact, if it works as planned, healthcare costs should decrease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    You spend only about 44% of what the USA spends per person per year on healthcare. But you enjoy better outcomes and support more doctors per capita than the USA.

    There is a perception in the USA that Obamacare will tax America out of existence. In fact, if it works as planned, healthcare costs should decrease.
    Correct....the UK national health services - England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland operate their own health services serving the needs of their respective populations - are much better value for the money being spent.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well if you are healthy and carry insurance, you are paying for those people already. Insurance is just as socialist as government care, only insurance corporations are not commonly owned.
    For that very reason, some Christian denominations in the US resisted the idea of insurance for decades. It was sold instead as membership in a fraternal benefits association.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Humans are a social animal. Its unworkable NOT to incorporate socialist ideals.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTeam View Post
    Humans are a social animal. Its unworkable NOT to incorporate socialist ideals.
    Much like they've rewritten the common everyday perceptions of the meanings of "liberal" and "conservative", so too have American right-wingers rewritten the understanding of "socialism" as not something people engage in virtually everyday and something which exists in many American institutions already (public education, Social Security, private insurance) but as something strange and evil better envisioned as a Stalinist pogrom or Soviet breadlines.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamTeam View Post
    Humans are a social animal. Its unworkable NOT to incorporate socialist ideals.
    Not according to Randian "objectivists" -- to them, humans are a financial animal.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Not according to Randian "objectivists" -- to them, humans are a financial animal.
    In keeping with an ideology that allows individuals to advance to their hearts desire and ability, even at the expense of everyone else.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/10/hitlercare-vs-obamacare/
    Exclusive: Ellis Washington reveals similarities between systems of socialized medicine
    I couldn’t find the professor on Wiki, but stumbled upon a couple other links that may help to introduce him.

    According to the tagline on Ellis Washington's WorldNetDaily columns, he is a "professor of law and political science at Savannah State University" in Georgia. Given the amount of vitriol and false and misleading information in his columns, one has to wonder what kind of education Washington is providing to his students.

    Ellis Washington's Obama Derangement (Terry Krepel; ConWebWatch)
    Washington sets new standards for insane delusionality, and is a hyperventilating engine of pure incoherence, ignorance and godbotting. Possibly the most numbskulled of WND’s regular writers, which is quite an achievement.

    #404: Ellis Washington (G.D. [anonymous blogger]; Encyclopedia of American Loons)

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    An advantage of a National Health Scheme is that all members of the population are included regardless of their medical history. I worked in the insurance business and as an underwriter I had to check on an individual's medial history before they could be accepted for life, medical or personal accident covers. Anyone falling short of an acceptable state of fitness could be refused cover or subject to reduced or in some other way restricted benefits. Once accepted for certain of these covers, subsequent recurring ailments could be excluded. Not so in a universal scheme.

    Universal cover is by far the best option and at the end of the day more affordable. My employers provided me with Private Health Care. I was taxed on the value of the benefit and in addition I was paying for National Health via my income tax, so the private heath care hit my pocket as I never had cause to use it.



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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    Correct....the UK national health services - England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland operate their own health services serving the needs of their respective populations - are much better value for the money being spent.
    Scotland would argue that they don't need NHS and would deliver more value with their own scheme once Independence is obtained.
    Your post comments are forwarded to the CIA.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    We would be borrowing ALL of the governments cost of this insane program. Republicans in the House have an obligation to try to stop the impending catastrophe. What will happen to "Affordable" LOL health care when we cannot borrow to continue it?

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    We would be borrowing ALL of the governments cost of this insane program. Republicans in the House have an obligation to try to stop the impending catastrophe. What will happen to "Affordable" LOL health care when we cannot borrow to continue it?
    The republicans should have thought about that before voting for the ACA. Or do you not recall that it passed with a bipartisan support?

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    I just wasted 10 minutes reading that fucking link in the OP. What a gob smacking load of shite he's outputted. Why hasn't anyone stuck him in a straightjacket and carted him off into a padded cell?


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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    I can't find an Ellis Washington in the staff directory at Savannah State University. I doubt if he is employed by them...


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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    The OP has linked an article written by Ellis Washington. Here's his web site:

    http://www.elliswashingtonreport.com/

    The guy is nuts.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Very few. But that is no answer. What will we do when we cannot borrow? Each year a larger part of the national income goes to interest. It cannot go indefinitely.

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    Re: The "true origin" of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Very few. But that is no answer. What will we do when we cannot borrow? Each year a larger part of the national income goes to interest. It cannot go indefinitely.
    And each year a larger portion of the national wealth goes to the tiny portion of people at the top.

    The two are not unrelated.

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