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  • Yes, we can go on a killing spree.

    17 39.53%
  • No, They're all nutters.

    14 32.56%
  • Yes, i'm not allowed to own one myself.

    7 16.28%
  • Yes, as long as they're not Canadians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    According to this logic all countries with highly restricted firearms should have much higher crime than we do.

    It's the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post

    Absolutely, and I might add you could have added a photo from some thing sort of fictional like HBO's modern mobsters the Sporano's from upscale white suburban NJ neighborhoods who managed to do a lot of killing with clubs, pipes and knives just like really happens , of course the gun was king.

    I keep a machete in the kitchen, baseball bats near the doors and a glock in the bedroom.
    And I bet you I feel safer than you do
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Because we all don't live in a fairy tale; we can't expect the government to create housing for those with low income and then turn it into a police state.
    Why would anyone go to the trouble of expecting the government to improve their neighbourhood only to let them turn it into a police state. Expect the first part. Forbid the other part. Don't people storm down to their legislatures and demand change any more? No, I guess not.

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Somehow i doubt he lives in la-la land,from his rather wonderful grasp of the English language,i would imagine a lot of education and very hard work has enabled him to advance his life-style very well indeed.
    Thank you for your kind words. I think Hannibal Lecter summed up my family tree though:
    You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling?
    Hah!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    In saying all of that, there are still people out there that can't advance to that standard - or, at the very least, don't start there, which is why low income neighborhoods exist. Being complacent is one thing; making sure to survive is quite another.
    Making sure to survive is not a do-it-yourself project that you can accomplish with a gun though. It's that whole demanding government action thing..oh never mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    Well someone has to gentrify those neighborhoods.
    Look at the bones of that Victorian crack house, behind the pimp. Just crying out for a funky new paint scheme and ground floor cafe.
    Do you think we could put a community garden in that burnt out car?
    Even in the days of frontier legend, people preferred the sheriff to shoot the bad guys for them instead of having to do it themselves. And overall, they preferred the judge to figure out who the bad guys were in the first place. There is no reason why poor people should have to put up with living in a violent cesspool. If my neighbourhood wasn't made safe, I'd be sleeping on the steps of the legislature with my tent and my family and my decent peaceable friends and neighbours in their hundreds, until such time as my neighbourhood were fixed. I doubt it would take long.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This implies choice.
    Yup.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    In saying all of that, there are still people out there that can't advance to that standard - or, at the very least, don't start there, which is why low income neighborhoods exist. Being complacent is one thing; making sure to survive is quite another.
    Just where in my post did i state such a blanket view,i was responding about the comment made against a certain member.I do not know the guy very well,but i can appreciate anyone who has the drive and determination to better their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Yup.
    I think you don't understand poverty in America very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Just where in my post did i state such a blanket view,i was responding about the comment made against a certain member.I do not know the guy very well,but i can appreciate anyone who has the drive and determination to better their life.
    My comment was about HIS blanket view. Which, in my opinion, he seems to still have. It's commendable for anyone to come out of a bad situation better for it, but not acknowledging that people have to fight to do it, or protect themselves to do it, is my main issue.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    You have any idea of the amount of things in a household that, if not properly put away or cared for, can cause an accidental tragedy?

    I mean c'mon, I know people can have fears about guns, and believe me, growing up in the whole gang explosion of the 80's and 90's I do understand it from more of a personal standpoint that most will ever know, but some of you are just being silly; on the borderline of paranoid propaganda.
    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    A lot of things can cause a tragedy when you least expect it.

    I love how it's okay to be judgmental and prejudiced with gun owners. All gun owners are the same. All gun owners think the same. All gun owners are potentially dangerous.
    Yes, a lot of things could cause an accident. And, technically, a meteorite might fall on our heads as we are typing, or a car might crash on us just as we walk down the street.

    This is not a matter of demonizing an entire community, but a problem that reflects an absolute lack of social responsibility on the part of a community who are exposing both themselves and others to the increased probability of a fatal accident. In most countries, psychological tests and a licence that restricts usage to specific establishments such as shooting ranges, are required in order to be able to have any access to weapons at all. Guess what, the incidence of violent deaths caused by firearms is extremely low, and usually linked to the illegal practices of organized crime. Legitimizing behaviours that can endanger others by alleging "self-defence" or "a constitutional right to bear arms" is something both shameful and irresponsible, because it potentially compromises the integrity of your fellow citizens.

    There's a reason why these people are judged: senseless dangerous practices beget society's disdain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrusek81 View Post
    Yes, a lot of things could cause an accident. And, technically, a meteorite might fall on our heads as we are typing, or a car might crash on us just as we walk down the street.

    This is not a matter of demonizing an entire community, but a problem that reflects an absolute lack of social responsibility on the part of a community who are exposing both themselves and others to the increased probability of a fatal accident. In most countries, psychological tests and a licence that restricts usage to specific establishments such as shooting ranges, are required in order to be able to have any access to weapons at all. Guess what, the incidence of violent deaths caused by firearms is extremely low, and usually linked to the illegal practices of organized crime. Legitimizing behaviours that can endanger others by alleging "self-defence" or "a constitutional right to bear arms" is something both shameful and irresponsible, because it potentially compromises the integrity of your fellow citizens.

    There's a reason why these people are judged: senseless dangerous practices beget society's disdain.
    You assume several logical fallacies.

    For one, you assume that the only difference between the US and other countries is gun ownership. That could be no further from the truth. The US has many social and cultural ills that have nothing to do with gun ownership that lead to violence.

    Tying violence to gun ownership is both lazy and intellectually dishonest.

    Now if you want to argue stricter gun control laws, I am all for it. But to take an ignorant and extreme view like many here are taking, that guns=bad is quite pathetic and below the intelligence of many posters here.

    Now if anyone has a study that controls for many factors and does exhaustive research in that gun ownership creates violence no matter the environment or the status of gun control laws, then you would have a point.

    Until then, you all are no better than the NRA maniacs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    You assume several logical fallacies.

    For one, you assume that the only difference between the US and other countries is gun ownership. That could be no further from the truth. The US has many social and cultural ills that have nothing to do with gun ownership that lead to violence.

    Tying violence to gun ownership is both lazy and intellectually dishonest.

    Now if you want to argue stricter gun control laws, I am all for it. But to take an ignorant and extreme view like many here are taking, that guns=bad is quite pathetic and below the intelligence of many posters here.

    Now if anyone has a study that controls for many factors and does exhaustive research in that gun ownership creates violence no matter the environment or the status of gun control laws, then you would have a point.

    Until then, you all are no better than the NRA maniacs.
    I am not assuming anything at all. I am well aware of the fact that America's neoliberal economic model and its extreme income disparities based on race, ethnicity, social class and geographical distribution, as well as practically non-existent public services, have far more to do with America's crime rates and systemic violence than anything else. However, the relative availability of weapons and the fact that access to firearms isn't subjected to extreme regulation, make the likelihood of fatalities caused by gun violence all the likelier. From the tragedies of Columbine and Sandy Hook to daily occurrences of crime and accidents related to gun ownership and usage, it is undeniable that there is a trend that reflects how certain groups and communities disregard the safety and well being of others to at utmost degree. Saying that these are "isolated incidences" and that mentally unstable people and criminals would still find a way to harm others regardless of whether they had access to weapons or not, is what's truly dishonest. Violence can only be solved by implementing far-ranging and radical reforms in the US political and economic systems, but it is undeniable that guns have an aggravating effect on the wider phenomena of lack of social justice and imbalances in power and income.

    Thus, no, I am not saying that gun ownership is the sole cause of violence in the United States. Misery, lack of opportunities and the social degradation that they cause, as well as isolation and lack of access to treatment and adequate support systems, are definitely to blame for these problem. But, as I have said before, gun ownership both compounds and magnifies them.

    Also, don't you find it curious that in countries where gun ownership is tightly regulated, there only are incidences of gun violence in fringe sectors linked to organized crime? Yes, we could argue that poverty and illegality are the true cause of said violence but, in average, the members of the poorest strata of society in most developed countries report much lower rates of deaths than in the US, where guns play a key role in the frequency of violent deaths.

    Here's an interesting link.

    Also, the fact that there hasn't been a study made comparing the possible incidence of criminal behaviours linked to rates of gun usage among developed nations, does not invalidate the notion that guns are dangerous in themselves. The existing evidence is clear (not to mention, compelling) enough.

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    Nothing significant to add to the "Gun BAD / people bad / its psychological / all about your dick" argument...... BUT it do look like the TLDR's is catching and have infected the HOT TOPICS sections from CEP....
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    there will never be a gun in my house.




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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    there will never be a gun in my house.
    You cant say that... if someone kills you wouldn't the cops come in and looks around with guns on there hips? Or are your Canadian copper the billy club beaters like in your queens land?
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    Ah, I KNEW if I gave it enough time, we'd get to the "America is just THAT unique, and the free availability of murder weapons is totally not to blame for the disproportionate level of gun deaths."

    Because we'd totally have the same amount of gun deaths here if guns were heavily restricted.
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    I think it would be appropriate for the straight acting gay guys to have guns. The others can use their purses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And what is the proper use of a gun? From what I understand, the function of it is to fire a bullet into something living to potentially kill it, or at least harm it seriously. So it follows that the "proper" use of a gun would be the one it's designed to do, no? Tell me again why that's not horrifying?
    The function of a firearm is akin to that of a golf club: to deliver a projectile on a ballistic path to its intended target.

    Occasionally, the target is another person -- but that's a desperation move.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Problem of course being that these dangerous neighborhoods wouldn't even BE the death traps they are if guns weren't so readily available.
    Rubbish. Violent people would still be violent.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Again - the rest of the modern world, where guns aren't freely available, is a proof that the free availability of guns is the single largest factor here.
    That's a non sequitur.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrusek81 View Post
    Guns are extremely dangerous, especially in situations where people might see their ability to properly reason by a strong emotion. While I can imagine that, for some professions, guns are a necessity, private gun owners appear to be rather unbalanced individuals to me... Why would anyone in their right mind want to have a dangerous contraption in their house, which could cause a tragedy when you least expect it?

    So no, I would never date a gun owner.
    150 million gun owners didn't commit a crime today -- or the day before, or the one before that.


    BTW, guns can't "cause tragedy when you least expect it", any more than a five-gallon bucket -- they're inanimate objects.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Don't do logic! Gun ownage is about penis, not logic.
    Really?

    I'll have to tell the female members of the Pink Pistols that next time we shoot.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Making sure to survive is not a do-it-yourself project that you can accomplish with a gun though. It's that whole demanding government action thing..oh never mind.
    I guess I'm dead, then.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrusek81 View Post
    There's a reason why these people are judged: senseless dangerous practices beget society's disdain.
    But society, including many here, are irrational: they aim their disdain not merely at those who have earned it, but at the vast multitude of their fellow citizens who have not. Every day, tens of millions of gun owners commit no crimes at all, yet we are smeared with the same brush as those who would engage in violence no matter what weapons were available.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Ah, I KNEW if I gave it enough time, we'd get to the "America is just THAT unique, and the free availability of murder weapons is totally not to blame for the disproportionate level of gun deaths."

    Because we'd totally have the same amount of gun deaths here if guns were heavily restricted.
    If guns were heavily restricted, it would just cause a black market in guns. And black markets breed violence, so there's a good chance we'd have more gun violence, not less.

    We need Congress to discipline the militia -- nothing more, nothing less.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    I think it would be appropriate for the straight acting gay guys to have guns. The others can use their purses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Ah, I KNEW if I gave it enough time, we'd get to the "America is just THAT unique, and the free availability of murder weapons is totally not to blame for the disproportionate level of gun deaths."
    http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

    In 2010 there were an estimated 70 to 80 MILLION adults owning handguns. In 2010 there were 6,115 people murdered by handguns. Rough translation: for every handgun that is used to murder someone there are 11,447.26083401 that are not. For every bad apple there are nearly 11,500 good apples. And yet you continue to whine about ALL handguns.
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    Also something I think people have a misconception about is not every single gun owner carries. Also not every gun owner has guns for defense.

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    An informative article that sheds some mind boggling light on the easy choice of police officers to shoot dead innocent people:

    https://socialreader.com/me/content/...External-1-opt

    I quote:

    When Alcia Herron of Georgia called 9/11 to get emergency medical help for her diabetic fiancee, Jack Lamar Roberson, she did not expect the police to show up. And she certainly did not expect them to shoot Roberson dead as he held his hands up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Really?

    I'll have to tell the female members of the Pink Pistols that next time we shoot.
    They have them to compensate for boob size

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    An informative article that sheds some mind boggling light on the easy choice of police officers to shoot dead innocent people:

    https://socialreader.com/me/content/...External-1-opt
    If we're going to cite cops doing a bad job as the reason that guns are bad and just say no and that's why people with guns are deranged undatable lepers that should be cast out of society like rabid dogs, we'll be here all day.

    Or rather, you all will - I see the futility in this discussion when people are actually making me sound pro-gun, when outside of a video game I've never planned to own one.
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    Btw, if so many non-gun things can cause violence, and nothing would change if we get rid of guns, then the same applies to defending against violence.

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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Loving how quickly this got political (though I suspect that the OP predicted this)

    Even though I would not own a gun myself, if the gun owner owned that gun legally and for logical* reasons, why not?
    This has nothing to do with my take on gun restrictions, for me it comes as a bit narrow-minded to have that as a dealbreaker, and I see that many of the "No" respondents tie it with their take on the subject.

    Anyway, who am I to judge when I have some dealbreakers myself many would find silly as well.

    *I'm aware that logical in this case is highly subjective, and that probably some can't figure out a valid reason to own a gun, by saying that I'm implying that I'm open to the possibility - which means I would ask the guy directly why he owned a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    You cant say that... if someone kills you wouldn't the cops come in and looks around with guns on there hips? Or are your Canadian copper the billy club beaters like in your queens land?
    copppers are pretty cool now. we had our problems with raiding our clubs years ago but honestly Toronto cops are tops.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    copppers are pretty cool now. we had our problems with raiding our clubs years ago but honestly Toronto cops are tops.
    All of them?

    Yeah here in the states the cops usually do all the fucking when you meet them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post

    All of them?

    Yeah here in the states the cops usually do all the fucking when you meet them.
    That is accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    All of them?

    Yeah here in the states the cops usually do all the fucking when you meet them.
    Spoken like a paranoid criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post

    Spoken like a paranoid criminal.
    I'm SURE that's exactly what he is.
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    No ( tolerance..tolerance..please be tolerant myself..)

    Yes!

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    i have and they had some big ones to,including the guns in their pants......lol,couple cops,thugs and businessmen,no big thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I'm SURE that's exactly what he is.
    And you right along with him. You are both cut from the same cloth..... more or less. Although in his defense I think he truly believes what he says, whereas you are more into trolling.
    It's never too early in the year,
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    i wouldn't care i know tons of people who own guns and who go hunting as long hes not crazy or goes hunting with it and brings home dead animals yikes!

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