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  • Yes, we can go on a killing spree.

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  • No, They're all nutters.

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  • Yes, i'm not allowed to own one myself.

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  • Yes, as long as they're not Canadians.

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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    This my last responas to you. You don't like GUNS. The thread is about dating a GUN OWNER. Dating a gun owner doesn't mean you have to ever see or be around a gun.
    No shit.

    And the second part doesn't make any sense. If a person is a gun owner they will have a gun around them or carry. Declaring you're not responding to me anymore doesn't change the fact that I expressed a problem with both. And if you haven't noticed this topic is gearing towards being about guns anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    What I don't get is why someone would accept to live in a neighbourhood like that, or why a government would accept to have a neighbourhood like that. The gun is not the problem, so much as the mentality that it's okay for there to be a practical reason to use one.
    Because we all don't live in a fairy tale; we can't expect the government to create housing for those with low income and then turn it into a police state.
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    Somehow i doubt he lives in la-la land,from his rather wonderful grasp of the English language,i would imagine a lot of education and very hard work has enabled him to advance his life-style very well indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post

    Once again, your view is the one and only correct view. I don't know why anyone responds to threads anymore. We should all just wait for you to tell us what is correct.

    I was going to respond but it's pointless because I can already predict your answer and there is literally zero chance you will accept anyone else's opinion on this issue.
    Does this sort of whiny attitude normally work for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    From what you understand you prove you do not understand. If used properly the gun isn't even fired. But when it is it does not necessarily have to be fired into something living. A gun used against a vehicle can puncture a couple tires, disabling it. In similar manner, when fired at a person, it can be targeted at a leg or arm in order to disable an assailant as opposed to kill. But one like you knows only one thing..... violence against others. It is obvious in your posts, they are always an attack instead of an attempt at discussion.

    And you would call those who own guns idiots???? You prove your own idiocy in your every post.
    When used by killers guns are for killing. When used by average people guns can be used for self defense/protection. But you, if you were to be at home during a home invasion robbery, would just cry and whine at the robber and call him an idiot for carrying a gun. He would get annoyed and use it to put the world out of your misery..... Hmm, a mixed use moment. He would use the gun to kill (bad), but it would silence your idiocy..... Couldn't be all bad.

    They make the news, but they aren't as "newsworthy" as innocents being slaughtered, so they are quickly glossed over. And sometimes, the mere presence of the gun keeps anything newsworthy from even happening.

    I have a laugh at his posts. He's nothing but a simpering little coward hiding behind the bravado of demonizing handguns from the anonymity of the internet. If he had to stand up and be seen he wouldn't have the courage to speak.
    Lol I wouldn't have the courage to say guns are absolutely the reason why America has tens of times the murders per capita of ANY other developed country? Honey, you must not be paying much attention to those posts you laugh at.

    But I can see you live in an action movie and not the real world, so clearly we don't have much common ground.

    I notice however you proved my point of the mentality of gun owners by that not-very-subtle implication I'd be better off shot. As usual, all that bullshit rhetoric about responsibility and self defense, when in reality all that stands behind it is the cowboy mentality of someone in desperate need of a penile extension.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Somehow i doubt he lives in la-la land,from his rather wonderful grasp of the English language,i would imagine a lot of education and very hard work has enabled him to advance his life-style very well indeed.
    In saying all of that, there are still people out there that can't advance to that standard - or, at the very least, don't start there, which is why low income neighborhoods exist. Being complacent is one thing; making sure to survive is quite another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post

    In saying all of that, there are still people out there that can't advance to that standard - or, at the very least, don't start there, which is why low income neighborhoods exist. Being complacent is one thing; making sure to survive is quite another.
    Problem of course being that these dangerous neighborhoods wouldn't even BE the death traps they are if guns weren't so readily available.
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    I also find it extremely ironic that somehow the people who feel the need to own or carry around a murder weapon somehow call US cowards...
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Or if some of the drugs were legalized and therefore taken off the streets, or if there was better education in those areas, or if more people wanted to be teachers instead of gangsters and pop stars and there was better incentives to choosing the straight and narrow, or if there were jobs in the immediate area, or more of a police presence, and the lists goes on and on and on in how you fix the problem without just laying it all on guns.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    I have a laugh at his posts. He's nothing but a simpering little coward hiding behind the bravado of demonizing handguns from the anonymity of the internet. If he had to stand up and be seen he wouldn't have the courage to speak.
    I have expressed no opinion on "dating a gun owner" but I can definitely say I would never date someone who took ^ this kind of an attitude.

    I love how with too many people, guns, an inanimate object, become some kind of persecuted minority you start talking about getting up and threatening people for "demonizing." The crazy is coming out.

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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Yes, as long as he can keep his gun hidden. I'd freak otherwise, as I can't stand the sight of guns. Even in my year long military service I manage to not have to fire a gun once. i convinced my officer that I would freak out so much I'd become a liability in the shooting stand

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Or if some of the drugs were legalized and therefore taken off the streets, or if there was better education in those areas, or if more people wanted to be teachers instead of gangsters and pop stars and there was better incentives to choosing the straight and narrow, or if there were jobs in the immediate area, or more of a police presence, and the lists goes on and on and on in how you fix the problem without just laying it all on guns.
    I never said guns are the ONLY reason. But they are certainly the major reason for violence and despite the limitless data proving this, gun owners vehemently deny it.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    I think I listed the major REASONS for gun violence. You just listed the main WEAPON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Problem of course being that these dangerous neighborhoods wouldn't even BE the death traps they are if guns weren't so readily available.
    I'm not so sure I agree with this... there are plenty of other ways to intimidate or kill people without guns.

    Plenty of wars were won back in the day with sticks, stones, knives/swords, and clubs.

    Guns just make it easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I'm not so sure I agree with this... there are plenty of other ways to intimidate or kill people without guns.

    Plenty of wars were won back in the day with sticks, stones, knives/swords, and clubs.

    Guns just make it easier.

    In a story this year in China when a deranged man tried to go on a spree killing in a school... with a knife... the teachers chased him out with brooms.

    Then, dozens of students flee out of the gate before several men armed with brooms walk in. The man in blue later is seen being chased out of the school.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...eing-in-panic/

    No fatalities IIRC. There is a pretty big kill potential difference between a blade and being able to spray the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post

    I'm not so sure I agree with this... there are plenty of other ways to intimidate or kill people without guns.

    Plenty of wars were won back in the day with sticks, stones, knives/swords, and clubs.

    Guns just make it easier.
    Again - the rest of the modern world, where guns aren't freely available, is a proof that the free availability of guns is the single largest factor here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    I think I listed the major REASONS for gun violence. You just listed the main WEAPON.
    That implies the weapon's limitless availability is not a reason in and of itself. Which is akin to saying having lots of money isn't a factor in greed.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    I have no problem dating a gun owner as long as he is not a rabid NRA member or a Tea Party member. I live in the South and most people own guns. Most gun owners in my area like to hunt bear and deers. It would be hard to find someone to date that did not own a gun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddielee View Post
    I have no problem dating a gun owner as long as he is not a rabid NRA member or a Tea Party member. I live in the South and most people own guns. Most gun owners in my area like to hunt bear and deers. It would be hard to find someone to date that did not own a gun!
    what do they do with the bear when they kill it?

    seems sad to me.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    I would definitely not date these guys.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    That implies the weapon's limitless availability is not a reason in and of itself. Which is akin to saying having lots of money isn't a factor in greed.
    Oh, so only wealthy people can be greedy? If we follow your line of "logic"..... a car can drive fast..... anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car is going to break the speed limit so we should just stop everybody from driving. That way no one will get run over or hurt by a vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    Oh, so only wealthy people can be greedy? If we follow your line of "logic"..... a car can drive fast..... anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car is going to break the speed limit so we should just stop everybody from driving. That way no one will get run over or hurt by a vehicle.

    I get it now.
    Your lazy thought process bored me. Nothing about what you said had ANYTHING in common with "my logic", which clearly is beyond your cognitive powers. Keep trying though, I'm sure your snark earns you easy points with your fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post

    What I don't get is why someone would accept to live in a neighbourhood like that, or why a government would accept to have a neighbourhood like that. The gun is not the problem, so much as the mentality that it's okay for there to be a practical reason to use one.
    Well someone has to gentrify those neighborhoods.
    Look at the bones of that Victorian crack house, behind the pimp. Just crying out for a funky new paint scheme and ground floor cafe.
    Do you think we could put a community garden in that burnt out car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    What I don't get is why someone would accept to live in a neighbourhood like that
    This implies choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This implies choice.
    Not fair to only quote the first half of that sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Your lazy thought process bored me. Nothing about what you said had ANYTHING in common with "my logic", which clearly is beyond your cognitive powers. Keep trying though, I'm sure your snark earns you easy points with your fans.
    Your logic is simply that since a gun can be used to kill people it must be evil. My analogy was a perfect example of your idiocy. But you don't have the intelligence to understand that. My cognitive powers are not in question. But I would pit 1% of my cognitive powers against your full brain power any day, or night for that matter.
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    Re: Would You Date A Gun Owner ?

    Depends on how big his gun is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    Your logic is simply that since a gun can be used to kill people it must be evil. My analogy was a perfect example of your idiocy. But you don't have the intelligence to understand that. My cognitive powers are not in question. But I would pit 1% of my cognitive powers against your full brain power any day, or night for that matter.
    Oh buuuuuurn! My grade school self would be totally speechless at this pwnage!

    Meanwhile, I don't think guns are evil. Guns are just tools, they can't be good or evil. They do however provoke - through their function - extreme levels of violence. A fact one can't argue with if one only looks at first world statistics. Which is clear you've never done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oh buuuuuurn! My grade school self would be totally speechless at this pwnage!

    Meanwhile, I don't think guns are evil. Guns are just tools, they can't be good or evil. They do however provoke - through their function - extreme levels of violence. A fact one can't argue with if one only looks at first world statistics. Which is clear you've never done.
    In the right hands they can actually prevent a greater amount of violence, which they do. And since said violence doesn't happen it isn't on the news. This is the 1st world testament to gun use. When an cop has a gun on one of the bad guys he is more likely to take his chances in court than to try to outrun the bullet. He's also more likely to let his hostage(s) go. Not out of altruism, but out of self preservation. When you've got a gun pointed at you and the body behind the gun is expertly trained in its use you tend to be more compliant. This isn't rocket science, simple common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    In the right hands they can actually prevent a greater amount of violence, which they do.
    This is myth. If you're going to defend it at least do it off a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This is myth. If you're going to defend it at least do it off a fact.
    How is truth a myth? The truth is in many cases the mere sight of a uniformed officer with a sidearm is enough to deter would-be robbers. That is part of the effectiveness of security guards in banks and security drivers. As I said, common sense.
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    Guns are extremely dangerous, especially in situations where people might see their ability to properly reason by a strong emotion. While I can imagine that, for some professions, guns are a necessity, private gun owners appear to be rather unbalanced individuals to me... Why would anyone in their right mind want to have a dangerous contraption in their house, which could cause a tragedy when you least expect it?

    So no, I would never date a gun owner.

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    Guns are dangerous. In the wrong hands they produce the results we are now used to seeing on the news almost every day. In the right hands they can cause unintentional accidents.

    So no, it is too much of a risk and casts a doubt in my mind about the thought processes of the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrusek81 View Post
    Guns are extremely dangerous, especially in situations where people might see their ability to properly reason by a strong emotion. While I can imagine that, for some professions, guns are a necessity, private gun owners appear to be rather unbalanced individuals to me... Why would anyone in their right mind want to have a dangerous contraption in their house, which could cause a tragedy when you least expect it?
    You have any idea of the amount of things in a household that, if not properly put away or cared for, can cause an accidental tragedy?

    I mean c'mon, I know people can have fears about guns, and believe me, growing up in the whole gang explosion of the 80's and 90's I do understand it from more of a personal standpoint that most will ever know, but some of you are just being silly; on the borderline of paranoid propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrusek81 View Post
    Guns are extremely dangerous, especially in situations where people might see their ability to properly reason by a strong emotion. While I can imagine that, for some professions, guns are a necessity, private gun owners appear to be rather unbalanced individuals to me... Why would anyone in their right mind want to have a dangerous contraption in their house, which could cause a tragedy when you least expect it?

    So no, I would never date a gun owner.
    A lot of things can cause a tragedy when you least expect it.

    I love how it's okay to be judgmental and prejudiced with gun owners. All gun owners are the same. All gun owners think the same. All gun owners are potentially dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    How is truth a myth? The truth is in many cases the mere sight of a uniformed officer with a sidearm is enough to deter would-be robbers. That is part of the effectiveness of security guards in banks and security drivers. As I said, common sense.
    According to this logic all countries with highly restricted firearms should have much higher crime than we do.

    It's the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I'm not so sure I agree with this... there are plenty of other ways to intimidate or kill people without guns.

    Plenty of wars were won back in the day with sticks, stones, knives/swords, and clubs.

    Guns just make it easier.

    Absolutely, and I might add you could have added a photo from some thing sort of fictional like HBO's modern mobsters the Sporano's from upscale white suburban NJ neighborhoods who managed to do a lot of killing with clubs, pipes and knives just like really happens , of course the gun was king.

    I keep a machete in the kitchen, baseball bats near the doors and a glock in the bedroom.

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    According to this logic all countries with highly restricted firearms should have much higher crime than we do.

    It's the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post

    Absolutely, and I might add you could have added a photo from some thing sort of fictional like HBO's modern mobsters the Sporano's from upscale white suburban NJ neighborhoods who managed to do a lot of killing with clubs, pipes and knives just like really happens , of course the gun was king.

    I keep a machete in the kitchen, baseball bats near the doors and a glock in the bedroom.
    And I bet you I feel safer than you do
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Because we all don't live in a fairy tale; we can't expect the government to create housing for those with low income and then turn it into a police state.
    Why would anyone go to the trouble of expecting the government to improve their neighbourhood only to let them turn it into a police state. Expect the first part. Forbid the other part. Don't people storm down to their legislatures and demand change any more? No, I guess not.

    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Somehow i doubt he lives in la-la land,from his rather wonderful grasp of the English language,i would imagine a lot of education and very hard work has enabled him to advance his life-style very well indeed.
    Thank you for your kind words. I think Hannibal Lecter summed up my family tree though:
    You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling?
    Hah!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    In saying all of that, there are still people out there that can't advance to that standard - or, at the very least, don't start there, which is why low income neighborhoods exist. Being complacent is one thing; making sure to survive is quite another.
    Making sure to survive is not a do-it-yourself project that you can accomplish with a gun though. It's that whole demanding government action thing..oh never mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    Well someone has to gentrify those neighborhoods.
    Look at the bones of that Victorian crack house, behind the pimp. Just crying out for a funky new paint scheme and ground floor cafe.
    Do you think we could put a community garden in that burnt out car?
    Even in the days of frontier legend, people preferred the sheriff to shoot the bad guys for them instead of having to do it themselves. And overall, they preferred the judge to figure out who the bad guys were in the first place. There is no reason why poor people should have to put up with living in a violent cesspool. If my neighbourhood wasn't made safe, I'd be sleeping on the steps of the legislature with my tent and my family and my decent peaceable friends and neighbours in their hundreds, until such time as my neighbourhood were fixed. I doubt it would take long.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This implies choice.
    Yup.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    In saying all of that, there are still people out there that can't advance to that standard - or, at the very least, don't start there, which is why low income neighborhoods exist. Being complacent is one thing; making sure to survive is quite another.
    Just where in my post did i state such a blanket view,i was responding about the comment made against a certain member.I do not know the guy very well,but i can appreciate anyone who has the drive and determination to better their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Yup.
    I think you don't understand poverty in America very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    Just where in my post did i state such a blanket view,i was responding about the comment made against a certain member.I do not know the guy very well,but i can appreciate anyone who has the drive and determination to better their life.
    My comment was about HIS blanket view. Which, in my opinion, he seems to still have. It's commendable for anyone to come out of a bad situation better for it, but not acknowledging that people have to fight to do it, or protect themselves to do it, is my main issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    You have any idea of the amount of things in a household that, if not properly put away or cared for, can cause an accidental tragedy?

    I mean c'mon, I know people can have fears about guns, and believe me, growing up in the whole gang explosion of the 80's and 90's I do understand it from more of a personal standpoint that most will ever know, but some of you are just being silly; on the borderline of paranoid propaganda.
    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    A lot of things can cause a tragedy when you least expect it.

    I love how it's okay to be judgmental and prejudiced with gun owners. All gun owners are the same. All gun owners think the same. All gun owners are potentially dangerous.
    Yes, a lot of things could cause an accident. And, technically, a meteorite might fall on our heads as we are typing, or a car might crash on us just as we walk down the street.

    This is not a matter of demonizing an entire community, but a problem that reflects an absolute lack of social responsibility on the part of a community who are exposing both themselves and others to the increased probability of a fatal accident. In most countries, psychological tests and a licence that restricts usage to specific establishments such as shooting ranges, are required in order to be able to have any access to weapons at all. Guess what, the incidence of violent deaths caused by firearms is extremely low, and usually linked to the illegal practices of organized crime. Legitimizing behaviours that can endanger others by alleging "self-defence" or "a constitutional right to bear arms" is something both shameful and irresponsible, because it potentially compromises the integrity of your fellow citizens.

    There's a reason why these people are judged: senseless dangerous practices beget society's disdain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrusek81 View Post
    Yes, a lot of things could cause an accident. And, technically, a meteorite might fall on our heads as we are typing, or a car might crash on us just as we walk down the street.

    This is not a matter of demonizing an entire community, but a problem that reflects an absolute lack of social responsibility on the part of a community who are exposing both themselves and others to the increased probability of a fatal accident. In most countries, psychological tests and a licence that restricts usage to specific establishments such as shooting ranges, are required in order to be able to have any access to weapons at all. Guess what, the incidence of violent deaths caused by firearms is extremely low, and usually linked to the illegal practices of organized crime. Legitimizing behaviours that can endanger others by alleging "self-defence" or "a constitutional right to bear arms" is something both shameful and irresponsible, because it potentially compromises the integrity of your fellow citizens.

    There's a reason why these people are judged: senseless dangerous practices beget society's disdain.
    You assume several logical fallacies.

    For one, you assume that the only difference between the US and other countries is gun ownership. That could be no further from the truth. The US has many social and cultural ills that have nothing to do with gun ownership that lead to violence.

    Tying violence to gun ownership is both lazy and intellectually dishonest.

    Now if you want to argue stricter gun control laws, I am all for it. But to take an ignorant and extreme view like many here are taking, that guns=bad is quite pathetic and below the intelligence of many posters here.

    Now if anyone has a study that controls for many factors and does exhaustive research in that gun ownership creates violence no matter the environment or the status of gun control laws, then you would have a point.

    Until then, you all are no better than the NRA maniacs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckysRevenge View Post
    You assume several logical fallacies.

    For one, you assume that the only difference between the US and other countries is gun ownership. That could be no further from the truth. The US has many social and cultural ills that have nothing to do with gun ownership that lead to violence.

    Tying violence to gun ownership is both lazy and intellectually dishonest.

    Now if you want to argue stricter gun control laws, I am all for it. But to take an ignorant and extreme view like many here are taking, that guns=bad is quite pathetic and below the intelligence of many posters here.

    Now if anyone has a study that controls for many factors and does exhaustive research in that gun ownership creates violence no matter the environment or the status of gun control laws, then you would have a point.

    Until then, you all are no better than the NRA maniacs.
    I am not assuming anything at all. I am well aware of the fact that America's neoliberal economic model and its extreme income disparities based on race, ethnicity, social class and geographical distribution, as well as practically non-existent public services, have far more to do with America's crime rates and systemic violence than anything else. However, the relative availability of weapons and the fact that access to firearms isn't subjected to extreme regulation, make the likelihood of fatalities caused by gun violence all the likelier. From the tragedies of Columbine and Sandy Hook to daily occurrences of crime and accidents related to gun ownership and usage, it is undeniable that there is a trend that reflects how certain groups and communities disregard the safety and well being of others to at utmost degree. Saying that these are "isolated incidences" and that mentally unstable people and criminals would still find a way to harm others regardless of whether they had access to weapons or not, is what's truly dishonest. Violence can only be solved by implementing far-ranging and radical reforms in the US political and economic systems, but it is undeniable that guns have an aggravating effect on the wider phenomena of lack of social justice and imbalances in power and income.

    Thus, no, I am not saying that gun ownership is the sole cause of violence in the United States. Misery, lack of opportunities and the social degradation that they cause, as well as isolation and lack of access to treatment and adequate support systems, are definitely to blame for these problem. But, as I have said before, gun ownership both compounds and magnifies them.

    Also, don't you find it curious that in countries where gun ownership is tightly regulated, there only are incidences of gun violence in fringe sectors linked to organized crime? Yes, we could argue that poverty and illegality are the true cause of said violence but, in average, the members of the poorest strata of society in most developed countries report much lower rates of deaths than in the US, where guns play a key role in the frequency of violent deaths.

    Here's an interesting link.

    Also, the fact that there hasn't been a study made comparing the possible incidence of criminal behaviours linked to rates of gun usage among developed nations, does not invalidate the notion that guns are dangerous in themselves. The existing evidence is clear (not to mention, compelling) enough.

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    Nothing significant to add to the "Gun BAD / people bad / its psychological / all about your dick" argument...... BUT it do look like the TLDR's is catching and have infected the HOT TOPICS sections from CEP....
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    there will never be a gun in my house.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    there will never be a gun in my house.
    You cant say that... if someone kills you wouldn't the cops come in and looks around with guns on there hips? Or are your Canadian copper the billy club beaters like in your queens land?
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    Ah, I KNEW if I gave it enough time, we'd get to the "America is just THAT unique, and the free availability of murder weapons is totally not to blame for the disproportionate level of gun deaths."

    Because we'd totally have the same amount of gun deaths here if guns were heavily restricted.
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