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    Obama lied that non-budget items have "never" been attached to the debt ceiling

    A "clean bill'.

    It's the foundation of his of plea to the American people -- and Obama lied about it.

    There have been many non-budget items added to debt ceiling increases in the past.

    “You have never seen in the history of the United States the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt being used to extort a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with the debt.”
    — President Obama, remarks to the Business Roundtable, Sept. 18, 2013

    The Washington Post gave Obama 4 Pinnocchios for his lie.



    Whether the House republican win or not, one thing is sure Obama is lying and being disingenuous.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-debt-ceiling/



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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    I loved this comment left on the article page. It seems to address the relative importance of this rhetorical flourish:

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    But as Jay Carney noted:

    Update: White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, at his news briefing on Thursday, pushed back against our findings, saying, ”It is absolutely correct that, prior to 2011, no party to the budget agreements of the past had ever threatened default if it did not get its way ideologically. It did not happen.”

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Embarrassing that the Washington Post called out the President as a liar on this huge issue.

    I'm guessing that his approval rating will go lower 'if' the MSM reports this. As of yesterday his approval was 41%.
    Last edited by Jack Springer; October 5th, 2013 at 05:12 AM.

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    At the very least, as the report shows the President was disingenuous at best. He's as big a demagogue and political manipulator as his detractors on the right are ripped as being.
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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Embarrassing that the Washington Post called out the President as a liar on this huge issue.

    I'm guessing that his approval rating will go lower 'if' the MSM reports this. As of yesterday his approval was 41%.

    Oh Look. He's following in the footsteps of his predecessor.

    To put it into context:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...ter-honeymoon/

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    At the very least, as the report shows the President was disingenuous at best. He's as big a demagogue and political manipulator as his detractors on the right are ripped as being.
    Oh here we go with the false equivalency.

    "Make an inaccurate claim? Lie us into a war? Same thing! Both sides just as bad!!!!"

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Embarrassing that the Washington Post called out the President as a liar on this huge issue.

    I'm guessing that his approval rating will go lower 'if' the MSM reports this. As of yesterday his approval was 41%.
    Do you think it will get lower than congress' approval rating?

    Or even lower than Bush and Cheney's approval ratings?

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Lol, let's compare Obama's lies and Bush's lies ^_^ Wanna go that road, Springer?
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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    A "clean bill'.

    It's the foundation of his of plea to the American people -- and Obama lied about it.

    There have been many non-budget items added to debt ceiling increases in the past.

    “You have never seen in the history of the United States the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt being used to extort a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with the debt.”
    — President Obama, remarks to the Business Roundtable, Sept. 18, 2013

    The Washington Post gave Obama 4 Pinnocchios for his lie.



    Whether the House republican win or not, one thing is sure Obama is lying and being disingenuous.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-debt-ceiling/


    Unlike the current situation, all of those situations were resolved by simply removing the amendments and passing a clean CR. That would happen here as well except in this particular situation, Boehner won't even allow a vote on a clean CR, even though the votes exist to pass it.

    Here's one of the main problems that exist in the House: Hastert Rule

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    I don't know if this will show up in the thread -- but I cannot access or see the thread.

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have "never" been attached to the debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't know if this will show up in the thread -- but I cannot access or see the thread.
    Sorry I haven't gotten back to you about this... I changed the thread title to substitute double quote symbols for the single quote symbols. Can you see the thread now?

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    Re: Obama lied that non-budget items have ‘never’ been attached to the debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Here's one of the main problems that exist in the House: Hastert Rule
    I'd forgotten about that piece of obstructionism.

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