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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
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    I prick up my ears when the PC Brigade start censoring certain descriptors. Two words are being censored in this thread. I just hope these ostriches don't get into law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I prick up my ears when the PC Brigade start censoring certain descriptors. Two words are being censored in this thread. I just hope these ostriches don't get into law enforcement.
    No word has been censored. People simply pointed out that responding to the whole story with "crazy black woman" needlessly inserted race. And it did.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    ^Race isn't part of this story...

    Someone MENTIONED it -- and EVERYONE else JUMPED on it...

    Because MOST people don't want to consider mental health issues...

    Its kind of like -- if we don't THINK about it -- it DOESN'T exist...

    Yet -- it seems to be more and MORE prevalent in our society...
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

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    Obama shut them down. He's the President.
    One of these days you ought to read the Constitution.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Identity of the dead perpetrator is certainly important Jack, skin color is not relevant to such an identity. Say maybe this will help you.... if it was a white women would you have felt it necessary to illustrate the point? Or would that make her normal like you?
    It would be more interesting/valuable to know if she was a citizen or not.

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    It would be more interesting/valuable to know if she was a citizen or not.
    Yes! I want to know if the [-----], female, [-----] perpetrator is Samantha Lewthwaite or not.
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    This is a sad story--especially when you see the little kid who was hiding in the back seat that the police discovered after they killed this 32 year old woman---I can't see why the cops had to kill her---I think cops could have wounded and disabled her and taken her in--clearly she had mental problems.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by swerve View Post
    I must not have written my post well enough to get my point across...

    I USED the word to SUMMARIZE...

    Kind of like the guy that shot up the Navy Yard in Maryland -- or the guy that TOLD the TSA in Miami that he had a bomb...

    These are REAL people that have REAL problems -- and those problems are stigmatized to such an extent that they DON'T seek HELP for them as one would with a sore throat, etc...

    That was my point...

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    And if that baby was black, how are we to know she didn't kidnap that black baby. No one knows about her from what I understand. Jack ya got a link on
    ANY of your remarks?
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    And if that baby was black, how are we to know she didn't kidnap that black baby. No one knows about her from what I understand. Jack ya got a link on
    ANY of your remarks?
    Hopefully you spend some time watching news rather than reading blogs.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Too bad she wasn't able to get inside and beat the shit out of every single lawmaker in Congress right now.

    For once I'm almost on this lady's side. This is what happens when leaders betray the American people and profit off of it.
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    ^^

    She wasn't attacking Congress, she was after the President. She evidently thought the President was stalking her.

    Law enforcement did what they are supposed to do --- protect the POTUS.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
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    No. Frankly, you're the one who should be embarrassed about your performance here this week. But that is beside the point.

    I would note that our news coverage did not immediately brand the woman crazy or refer to her colour. It does appear though that she may have had post-partum depression and having seen the results of this first hand...it is a terrible, debilitating mental dysfunction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    No. Frankly, you're the one who should be embarrassed about your performance here this week. But that is beside the point.

    I would note that our news coverage did not immediately brand the woman crazy or refer to her colour. It does appear though that she may have had post-partum depression and having seen the results of this first hand...it is a terrible, debilitating mental dysfunction.
    Read the title of this thread.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    He's completely correct Jack I AM NOT A NEWS OUTLET!

    You decided to make racist comments about it which you can't blame on me or anyone else. That's your sheet and burning cross.
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    I repeated the word 'crazy' and added that the woman was black. How can that be racist?

    Does a sane person run into the barriers at the White House and then take off speeding?

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    She apparently was suffering from an extreme case of postpartum depression. SOMETHING was deeply troubling her. Just very sad it had to come to this... it's just such a difficult situation here in the US regarding mental illness. Sure things are better than the sanitariums, and the times they would actually experiment on those with mental illness or other severe problems. But too many times the best interests of those suffering and their loved ones are not what gets priority. I pray for her, her family... the little girl who'll never know her mother. She didn't have a weapon... surely she could have been stopped without being shot to death. Well, at least one would like to think so.
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I repeated the word 'crazy' and added that the woman was black. How can that be racist?

    Does a sane person run into the barriers at the White House and then take off speeding?
    Riiigggghhhhttt, you're just that innocent.

    If you're too stupid to figure it out, I lack the patience to teach you. Why is it that racists IN MY EXPERIENCE think that the sad little fig leaves they employ fool anyone.

    Or are you just in desperate need of attention.
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Amazing what you call racist.

    Jump on me all you want. People want to know who commits crimes.

    I do wish we would know if the lady said anything to the guards outside the WH -- but I doubt we will ever know.
    Most people are not on the edge of their seats hoping to highlight the next crime committed by African Americans.

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    When will we hear more news about Miriam Carey, the putative topic of this thread?

    My TV news says she drove to Washington because she was under the delusion that Mr. O. had something special he wanted to give to her.
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    The family said it was a "moment of instability". The officers are to blame for not "giving her the help she deserved".



    and here's someone else having another "moment of instability" nearby



    Lt. Pamela Smith of the U.S. Park Police said she was unaware whether he carried signs or had articulated a cause. One witness, Katy Scheflen, said that she saw a tripod set up near the man but that she did not hear him say anything intelligible before he set himself on fire. It was unclear whether the man was filming the incident.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4049653.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Most people are not on the edge of their seats hoping to highlight the next crime committed by African Americans.
    [Text: Removed] I simply noted that the person was black -- part of the basic information that reasonable people are interested in -- who, what, when, where, and how.

    If you want to look the other way when crimes happen that's your choice to live in a world that is not real.
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    [Text: Removed] I simply noted that the person was black -- part of the basic information that reasonable people are interested in -- who, what, when, where, and how.

    If you want to look the other way when crimes happen that's your choice to live in a world that is not real.
    We're talking about things like this Jack.

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    There was no nationwide discussion about how dangerous white people are or a big emphasis on the perpetrator's race after Timothy McVeigh or the Batman theater shooter. When white people commit crimes the subject is exclusively "mental illness." Race isn't brought up.

    When you sum up a story like this with "crazy black woman", it carries the implication-- as does your post I quoted above-- that her race somehow played a role in her crime.

    When you make a reference to the "real world" I think what many of us would say back would be that this "real world" is a range of created perceptions from news media and reporting emphasis or the fact that you're 10,000x more likely to hear about a kidnapped white kid than a kidnapped black one. And how the media covers stories based on the race involved. No one made any serious suggestion to profile blond haired blue eyed Christians after the Oklahoma City bombing. But an opposition to profiling Middle Eastern people after 9/11 garnered many responses similar to yours... "well, I live in the real world and I'm not going to play P.C. to pretend otherwise.."

    I don't actually know what your intent was, since I can't read your brain. But when your comment on the story is "crazy black woman", you do create the implication that you consider race part of the factor of her crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swerve View Post
    . . . Race isn't part of this story...

    Someone MENTIONED it -- and EVERYONE else JUMPED on it......
    Yes, there's lots of off-topic-jumping in the CE&P Shark-pit.

    Quote Originally Posted by swerve View Post
    …MOST people don't want to consider mental health issues......
    That's what Miriam Carey's sisters were saying in the video (above).

    They were saying the law enforcement officers should have spent some time considering Miriam's issues and "giving her the help she deserved" instead of assuming she was Aaron Alexis, Carlos Leon Bledsoe, Mir Qazi, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, that kid from Minnesota who went to Nairobi, Mohamed Atta, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, et cetera, et cetera et cetera . . .
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    They were saying the law enforcement officers should have spent some time considering Miriam's issues
    Perhaps more simply they could have considered the fact that she was unarmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    <snip>

    I don't actually know what your intent was, since I can't read your brain. But when your comment on the story is "crazy black woman", you do create the implication that you consider race part of the factor of her crime.
    Precisely.

    If she was white, would the OP state: " it was a crazy white woman" driving the car?

    Perhaps we should add the race of everyone who commits a crime in our statements to be fair.

    Michele Bachmann, who was instrumental in shutting down the government, was at the WWII memorial for photo ops with veterans. She's a crazy (white) woman.

    Newt Gingrich, the adulterous abomination, shut down the government during Clinton's term in office. He's a crazy (silver) man.

    John Boehner, the sobbing alcoholic Speaker of the House, is worthless. He's a crazy (orange) man.


    PS... what happened to my last post in this thread?.....

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Perhaps more simply they could have considered the fact that she was unarmed.
    Definitely, especially since there was no way to tell anything about her mental condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    ...PS... what happened to my last post in this thread?.....
    What was in your last post?

    Was it relevant to the topic of Miriam Carey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    What was in your last post?

    Was it relevant to the topic of Miriam Carey?
    It was about as relevant as this post of yours.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    We're talking about things like this Jack.

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    There was no nationwide discussion about how dangerous white people are or a big emphasis on the perpetrator's race after Timothy McVeigh or the Batman theater shooter. When white people commit crimes the subject is exclusively "mental illness." Race isn't brought up.

    When you sum up a story like this with "crazy black woman", it carries the implication-- as does your post I quoted above-- that her race somehow played a role in her crime.

    When you make a reference to the "real world" I think what many of us would say back would be that this "real world" is a range of created perceptions from news media and reporting emphasis or the fact that you're 10,000x more likely to hear about a kidnapped white kid than a kidnapped black one. And how the media covers stories based on the race involved. No one made any serious suggestion to profile blond haired blue eyed Christians after the Oklahoma City bombing. But an opposition to profiling Middle Eastern people after 9/11 garnered many responses similar to yours... "well, I live in the real world and I'm not going to play P.C. to pretend otherwise.."

    I don't actually know what your intent was, since I can't read your brain. But when your comment on the story is "crazy black woman", you do create the implication that you consider race part of the factor of her crime.
    I remember that story in the NYT

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/bu...tion.html?_r=0

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Maybe they thought she was going to kill President Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Maybe they thought she was going to kill President Obama?…
    It seems Miriam Carey claims she has a special connection with him. BTW I'm assuming she didn't marry the father of her child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    BTW I'm assuming she didn't marry the father of her child.
    And why is that?
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    ^I want to know this too...Why???? Why is it even a concern....Assumptions are like...well you know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It seems Miriam Carey claims she has a special connection with him. BTW I'm assuming she didn't marry the father of her child.
    I'll third that..... why are you assuming she didn't marry the father of her child and why is that relevant?

    The woman was driving an Infiniti. I'm assuming it was a stolen car. Everyone knows crazy black women, especially one who didn't marry the father of her child wouldn't drive an Infiniti. She couldn't afford a car like that.

    We can conjecture the story too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It seems Miriam Carey claims she has a special connection with him. BTW I'm assuming she didn't marry the father of her child.
    BTW I'm assuming the person who posted this is a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    BTW I'm assuming the person who posted this is a racist.
    I'm assuming the person who posted this is a shark.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    And I'm assuming the poster above me voted for Obama in '12.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Why did they have to mention that she was a woman? Women are stereotyped as being poor drivers and this story isn't help them shed that stereotype at all. The title of this thread is misogynistic and should be changed. (sarcasm)

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It seems Miriam Carey claims she has a special connection with him. BTW I'm assuming she didn't marry the father of her child.
    BTE. I'm assuming that you are a racist. No proof. Just an assumption.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    [Text: Removed] I simply noted that the person was black -- part of the basic information that reasonable people are interested in -- who, what, when, where, and how.

    If you want to look the other way when crimes happen that's your choice to live in a world that is not real.
    Oh no I very much aware of the latest crimes, but race is of no import to the fact or severity of crime.

    Next question. Why do you think convicts are disproportionately African American?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    … Why do you think convicts are disproportionately African American?
    Why would you ask Jack that?

    Why don't you ask a criminologist or a government statistician? (I assume the government still oversees the US prisons)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And why is that?
    You're asking why I've assumed Miriam Carey didn't marry the father of her child. Well mainly because married people usually take responsibility for each other.

    Miriam had issues but her employer was busy with patients and running the business. Miriam's sisters said she had a "moment of instability" but they were obviously busy with their own families.

    I would see a husband's role as the one responsible for "giving her the help she deserved" whenever she had a "moment of instability". I just don't recommend seeking the 'kindness from strangers' and asking for some 'quality time' with heavily-armed strangers in the most heavily-fortified square mile in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    You're asking why I've assumed Miriam Carey didn't marry the father of her child. Well mainly because married people usually take responsibility for each other.

    Miriam had issues but her employer was busy with patients and running the business. Miriam's sisters said she had a "moment of instability" but they were obviously busy with their own families.

    I would see a husband's role as the one responsible for "giving her the help she deserved" whenever she had a "moment of instability". I just don't recommend seeking the 'kindness from strangers' and asking for some 'quality time' with heavily-armed strangers in the most heavily-fortified square mile in the world.
    If only the mental health industry had this profound discovery that the presence of a spouse makes treatment or hospitalization for severe mental illness unnecessary

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    You're asking why I've assumed Miriam Carey didn't marry the father of her child. Well mainly because married people usually take responsibility for each other.

    Miriam had issues but her employer was busy with patients and running the business. Miriam's sisters said she had a "moment of instability" but they were obviously busy with their own families.

    I would see a husband's role as the one responsible for "giving her the help she deserved" whenever she had a "moment of instability". I just don't recommend seeking the 'kindness from strangers' and asking for some 'quality time' with heavily-armed strangers in the most heavily-fortified square mile in the world.
    This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

    You don't know much about post partum depression or depression at all do you.

    What a ridiculous and arrogant assumption that a husband would have prevented this from happening.

    jesus. wept.

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    It looks like you two spent more time writing intellectually-flaccid posts than finding the mystery man who spawned with Miriam Carey and didn't stay around to cope with her "moments of instability".
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    It looks like you two spent more time writing intellectually-flaccid posts than finding the mystery man who spawned with Miriam Carey and didn't stay around to cope with her "moments of instability".
    Why don't you take your trolling back out of CE&P.

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Carey believed she was the “prophet of Stamford” and was capable of communicating with Obama…

    [Eric Francis, 54,] is believed to be the father of her two-year-old baby girl Erica.....

    Miriam was so delusional he called the cops on her twice last year and said she was off her meds and endangering their infant daughter...

    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/tv...eys-boyfriend/

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/04/po...itol-shooting/
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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Carey believed she was the “prophet of Stamford” and was capable of communicating with Obama…

    Eric Francis, 54, is believed to be the father of her two-year-old baby girl Erica.....

    Miriam was so delusional he called the cops on her twice last year and said she was off her meds and endangering their infant daughter...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/04/po...itol-shooting/
    http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/tv...eys-boyfriend/
    So Pat are you ready to amend that claim that if the father had been in the picture at all this wouldn't have happened?

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    Re: Crazy woman tries to ram car into White House - Gets shot on Capitol Hill.

    He left her. Living separately. No info on child maintenance. They communicated via letters.

    This clip mentions a forensic test on a white powder

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/04/po...itol-shooting/
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