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  • Tea party will be marginalized by moderate GOP

    3 15.79%
  • John Boehner will be forced into caving into democrats

    6 31.58%
  • Democrats will cave into dismantling Obamacare

    0 0%
  • Tea Party Will succeed, national disaster inevitable

    4 21.05%
  • "Textbook" politics: Democrats provide cover to Boehner

    6 31.58%
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    POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    The tea-party has been a threat to democracy since its inception. They are funded by the 1%, and represent a tiny portion of the electorate. John Boehner has no control over this extremist separatist movement. The tea-party has started something they cant finish, and it will end their crusade.

    The last time our country was careening towards financial oblivion when the tea-party refused to raise the debt limit the national economy suffered, voters blamed the GOP and the US economy stalled, less jobs were created, US credit was downgraded, and the GOP broke their constitutional oath in the process. But they didn't resign in protest, they kept their jobs earning $15,000 a month to continue to attack Americans economic security.

    So now we have another shutdown, what the tea-party has wanted all along, to stop Obama, and the most significant political achievement for America in decades, the affordable care act.

    Who cares about Obamacare? If its the worst thing ever, why didn't republicans offer their own solutions? Because they had none.

    Now the GOP cant even convince Americans their crusade is just, not because Obamacare is "unpopular", but because Americans don't negotiate with hostage taking traitors.

    lets play their apocalyptic game to their 'rational' conclusion, maybe that will bring things into context for the rest of us.


    • What if one of these tea-party fuckers gets elected president in 2016?
    • Would the tea-party try to nuke San Francisco if they don't stop the gay weddings?
    • Would the tea-party start a new world war invading countries at will?
    • Would they dismantle federal laws and revoke the constitution, install a fascist figure?
    • Will America still be whole while the tea party tail is wagging the dog?


    There are so many historical instances of things like this spinning out of control, and I know many are already seeing the writing on the wall. If this tea-party stuff continues, our country could start ripping itself apart.

    Confident as we all are the tea-party would lose that fight, the last civil war cost hundreds of thousands of lives too, its not like this hasn't happened before, its not impossible.

    Its a no-win scenario for tea-partiers. If they think they are above laws, they are lawless. The constitution is not a suicide pact.

    Sure the tea-party cult may be small and lose favor with moderate republicans in the process, but they will drag our country down the longer we allow them to abuse our system of government, not an artificial government home grown to destroy what Americans have left of representation.

    There is a few excellent videos on MSNBC right now that have this hostage-taking narrative pretty well spelled out but don't come to any conclusion, http://tv.msnbc.com/shows/all-in/

    tell me why Im wrong, what other scenarios will present themselves?

    They tea-party has always wanted more, now it may get nothing.

    Should have taken that 10 to 1 deal, thats gone now.
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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    If the Tea Party continues on, we may very well see the book and Movie "The Hunger Games" as being Prophetic.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    We can only hope that for the first time since this reign of terror started in Washington, that the t-baggers lose this scrap. Unfortunately, from here, it looks as though the Republican party has been so undermined and the brand so damaged that I don't think that the moderate GOP voice will ever be heard again.

    I suspect that the Dems will be trying to find a way to 'give cover' to Boehner and the moderates...but to be truthful...I can't imagine why they'd bother at this point. He and McConnell have been courting and encouraging this kind of disaster for the last five plus years.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    It seems the Tea Party have got what they wanted: no government.
    Where is the need for democracy when you have the guiding hand of God and laissez faire economics?

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    I don't think you understand the Tea Party. The tea party is a grass roots movement -- very loosely organized.

    The DNC and the RNC are funded by the 1%.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't think you understand the Tea Party. The tea party is a grass roots movement -- very loosely organized.

    The DNC and the RNC are funded by the 1%.
    The tea party is anything but grassroots. It was NEVER grassroots...not even close. It is the Koch Brothers and Tobacco Industry's personal army and was carefully planned.

    The moderate Republicans have started to speak out...FINALLY...but it is embarrassingly weak and their statements are cautious and calculated. The problem is...they signed a pact with the devil and they know it.

    The best possible scenario is that the teabaggers start running candidates...such as Cruz...and split the vote.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    The tea party is scary and well funded, very well funded. The goal under the billionaire funding I think is to use the moronic minions which embrace this movement wearing American flags and loving the word "Patriotic" with fake outrage and "The big lie" to create chaos in the government until it stalls out . To people who fall for these lies facts and logic have no base only what they read that supports their own blemished opinion such as we view from a few of the extreme radicals that post in this very forum.

    A similar tactic worked in the mid 1800's where the rich convinced the poor white southerner to not trust the federal Government and fight a war for plantation owner. 2/3rds of the Army of Northern Virginia (johnny reb) was dirt ass poor, didn't have anything. In a economy that favored the free labor of the slave over hiring a southern white no matter what the skill. These people went against their own best interest even though they didn't like slavery (that doesn't mean they were NOT racist) to protect and get blown to shit for the well off. It worked for a couple of yrs. But some places there were huge rifts like WVA breaking away from Virginia. Arlington and Alexandria Virginia became a part of Virginia breaking away from the city of Washington.
    History repeats itself.

    Rareboy in another thread brought up Hannah Arendt and the 1951 work "The Orgins of Totalitarianism". It is a good read.
    http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/arendt.htm

    As is columnist Richard Cohen, Washington Post who is certainly not liberal
    Green with Tea Party Envy

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...KoI_story.html

    The odd thing about the Tea Party is that it uses Washington to attack Washington. This is a version of Hannah Arendt’s observation that totalitarian movements use democratic institutions to destroy democracy. . . Note that the Tea Party is nowhere near a majority — not in the House and not in the Senate. Its followers have only 60 seats in the 435-member House, but in a textbook application of political power they were able to use parliamentary rules to drive the congressional agenda. As we have known since Lenin’s day, a determined minority is hands down better than an irresolute majority.
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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    It depends on how bad the shut down gets and how bruised Boehner is. He might be forced to conciliate with Democrats on major issues from now on. In that case he will have practically no bargaining power, and the governing party in Congress will oddly be a coalition of Democrats and a ruling minority of "moderate" Republicans.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't think you understand the Tea Party. The tea party is a grass roots movement -- very loosely organized.

    The DNC and the RNC are funded by the 1%.
    The tea party is funded by the Koch brothers. They're exploiting people's fears and prejudices for money and power.

    Two spoiled brothers who inherited a ton of cash from their father are trying to control the country by controlling the government.


    vulgar_newcomer summed it up nicely.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    The tea party is scary and well funded, very well funded. The goal under the billionaire funding I think is to use the moronic minions which embrace this movement wearing American flags and loving the word "Patriotic" with fake outrage and "The big lie" to create chaos in the government until it stalls out . To people who fall for these lies facts and logic have no base only what they read that supports their own blemished opinion such as we view from a few of the extreme radicals that post in this very forum.

    A similar tactic worked in the mid 1800's where the rich convinced the poor white southerner to not trust the federal Government and fight a war for plantation owner. 2/3rds of the Army of Northern Virginia (johnny reb) was dirt ass poor, didn't have anything. In a economy that favored the free labor of the slave over hiring a southern white no matter what the skill. These people went against their own best interest even though they didn't like slavery (that doesn't mean they were NOT racist) to protect and get blown to shit for the well off. It worked for a couple of yrs. But some places there were huge rifts like WVA breaking away from Virginia. Arlington and Alexandria Virginia became a part of Virginia breaking away from the city of Washington.
    History repeats itself.

    Rareboy in another thread brought up Hannah Arendt and the 1951 work "The Orgins of Totalitarianism". It is a good read.
    http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/arendt.htm

    As is columnist Richard Cohen, Washington Post who is certainly not liberal
    Green with Tea Party Envy

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...KoI_story.html
    Your examples sound more like how the DNC treats blacks in America today.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    You have no problem with the Tea Party behavior then?
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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    The House of Representatives doesn't even resemble the thinking of the vast majority of Americans. Both sides are bought and paid for by lobbyists and fascists like the Koch brothers and their lunatic fringe disciples. The only reason the tea party took the GOP is because they couldn't hijack Congress any other way, certainly not through the Dems. Essentially, the tea party is as hateful towards republicans as they are democrats. Remember, the tea party organized as a result of the reckless spending and failed economic policies of the Bush dictatorship. We now see clearly why the GOP is pretty much torn in half and imploding on itself. What we have are conventional republicans in a civil war with the tea party, who they once embraced to buy themselves votes. Epic fail. The last presidential election proved that no matter how much the GOP (along with Fox News, aka GOP-TV) bashed/bashes Obama, Romney lost and the people gave Obama a second term. Thus, you see the shift from their precious social issues like hating gays and worshiping guns to Obamacare. One of the biggest reasons they hate Obamacare is because registering for the healthcare law also gives people an opportunity to register to vote. Republicans think that is horrific yet they pat themselves on the back for rampant gerrymandering of districts and voter ID laws in an attempt to disenfranchise voters. If people don't get off their asses and get out and vote in the 2014 midterms, they deserve anything that happens as a result. The people have the power to decimate the tea party.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Is a question of "what do we do about the Tea Party" basically the same as "what do we do about gerrymandering?"

    Also, what DO we do about gerrymandering?

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    The tea party is anything but grassroots. It was NEVER grassroots...not even close. It is the Koch Brothers and Tobacco Industry's personal army and was carefully planned.

    The moderate Republicans have started to speak out...FINALLY...but it is embarrassingly weak and their statements are cautious and calculated. The problem is...they signed a pact with the devil and they know it.

    The best possible scenario is that the teabaggers start running candidates...such as Cruz...and split the vote.
    It was grass roots to begin with; Jack is right on that much. But as happens with any movement that surges in popularity and has no real center, others moved in and began guiding it for their own ends. The first were the religious bigots, who brought in racism, but didn't really add anything substantive but numbers. Then there were the propertarians, who consider property rights more important than people -- and the Kochs are arguably the most vicious propertarians in the hemisphere.

    Controlling such a movement is simple: you funnel money to the activities that go with your interests, and none to things that don't. Soon enough people stop trying to do the things you don't provide money for, and voila! you have your own political army. The truly tragic part is that those being herded in that manner consider providing money to causes you support to be a virtue, and thus are blind to the fact that they've been bought and enlisted to serve in their own enslavement.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orlandude View Post
    Essentially, the tea party is as hateful towards republicans as they are democrats. Remember, the tea party organized as a result of the reckless spending and failed economic policies of the Bush dictatorship. We now see clearly why the GOP is pretty much torn in half and imploding on itself. What we have are conventional republicans in a civil war with the tea party, who they once embraced to buy themselves votes. Epic fail. The last presidential election proved that no matter how much the GOP (along with Fox News, aka GOP-TV) bashed/bashes Obama, Romney lost and the people gave Obama a second term. Thus, you see the shift from their precious social issues like hating gays and worshiping guns to Obamacare. One of the biggest reasons they hate Obamacare is because registering for the healthcare law also gives people an opportunity to register to vote. Republicans think that is horrific yet they pat themselves on the back for rampant gerrymandering of districts and voter ID laws in an attempt to disenfranchise voters. If people don't get off their asses and get out and vote in the 2014 midterms, they deserve anything that happens as a result. The people have the power to decimate the tea party.
    Maybe not quite as much, but yes, the Tea Partites despise traditional Republican positions by the volume.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Is a question of "what do we do about the Tea Party" basically the same as "what do we do about gerrymandering?"

    Also, what DO we do about gerrymandering?
    1. Find a leader willing to commit political suicide to get reform passed.
    2. Take redistricting out of the hands of politicians and give it to mathematicians.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Is a question of "what do we do about the Tea Party" basically the same as "what do we do about gerrymandering?"

    Also, what DO we do about gerrymandering?
    Any statute will surely be challenged, but an amendment should be welcomed by the minority party in every state. The method to combat it will have to be specific. Greatest area per district for example will prevent elongated borders meant to carve out cities.

    We could continue having a GOP House that does not carry the popular vote for a long time.
    Last edited by Alnitak; October 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 PM.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Is a question of "what do we do about the Tea Party" basically the same as "what do we do about gerrymandering?"

    Also, what DO we do about gerrymandering?
    Gerrymandering has been around since the beginning of our republic. It will continue with whatever party controls each state -- right now republicans control most state legislatures ... at some point I assume that will change and you'll be happy and forget about gerrymandering.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Gerrymandering has been around since the beginning of our republic. It will continue with whatever party controls each state -- right now republicans control most state legislatures ... at some point I assume that will change and you'll be happy and forget about gerrymandering.
    The Tea Party is a contingent of a party that didn't even win the popular vote to begin with. We could prevent another lunatic faction from ever hijacking Congress like this again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Any statute will surely be challenged, but an amendment should be welcomed by the minority party in every state. The method to combat it will have to be specific. Greatest area per district for example will prevent elongated borders meant to carve out cities.

    We could continue having a GOP House that does not carry the popular vote for a long time.
    Mathematicians are the best bet. It's just a simple problem in minimizing area to boundary ratio while making equal populations inside. A preference for following zip code boundaries might be nice, but isn't essential.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Is a question of "what do we do about the Tea Party" basically the same as "what do we do about gerrymandering?"

    Also, what DO we do about gerrymandering?
    Look to your neighbour to the north. Setting electoral boundaries was handed over to a non-partisan Commission some decades ago.
    It doesn't always make everyone happy...but it is as fair as you can get and it put a stop to the kind of backroom gerrymandering that is destroying the US system of representative government.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Look to your neighbour to the north. Setting electoral boundaries was handed over to a non-partisan Commission some decades ago.
    It doesn't always make everyone happy...but it is as fair as you can get and it put a stop to the kind of backroom gerrymandering that is destroying the US system of representative government.
    Arizona has a non-partisan Commission, but Governor Brewer tried to get them to be favorable to the GOP when she fired the leader of the commission, but the US Supreme Court reversed Brewer's firing, and the state still got gerrymandered.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

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    7 out of 10 Americans disagree with the tea party shutting down the government, not even a majority of republicans support the idea.

    this is about the same amount of Americans that supported a Public Option in 2009, 77%.

    So not only is Obamacare popular, government run Obamacare is even more popular!
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    ^^

    Some polls are very tight on who is responsible.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    It's worth noting how a small number of TP types have managed to shut down the government.

    We can look at the number of votes each of them recieved in the 2012 congressional election.

    Adding them up, we see that only 13.8 million Americans actually voted for the suicide caucus.

    That's only 11.7% of the people who voted in a congressional election in 2012, and an absolutely pathetic 4.3% of the U.S. population. Keep in mind, if only 30-40 members really care, this is a huge overestimation.

    That deep minority of Americans might be pretty happy that the government is shut down, but it's just stunning that such few people — a group slightly larger than the population of Illinois — can hold that much power.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-g...lation-2013-10

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by EastMed View Post
    It's worth noting how a small number of TP types have managed to shut down the government.



    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-g...lation-2013-10
    It's true that it's appalling that this few Congressmen have this much power. Then again, my understanding is that a budget could be passed completely over their heads, that Boehner won't do it because he could lose his position and other Republicans could lose seats to Tea Party primary challenges.

    So I still see this as a case of the Republicans have painted themselves into their own corner where they're powerless to oppose the Tea Party because of gerrymandered districts and the fact that they've whipped and driven their own voting base more and more to the right, and to the belief that if anything doesn't seem to be working well, you just need to vote further to the right.

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Look to your neighbour to the north. Setting electoral boundaries was handed over to a non-partisan Commission some decades ago.
    It doesn't always make everyone happy...but it is as fair as you can get and it put a stop to the kind of backroom gerrymandering that is destroying the US system of representative government.
    Handing it to mathematicians would be more fair. Using math to do it would make the entire process open to anyone who can do that level of math -- in other words, the results would be open to peer review.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastMed View Post
    It's worth noting how a small number of TP types have managed to shut down the government.



    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-g...lation-2013-10
    It should be a wake-up call. Historically, fifteen percent of the population getting motivated is enough to effect major change -- but less than a third of that can wreck a functioning system. The Tea Partites certainly have enough to do that wrecking. As they've shown in the House, all it takes is having enough weight to tip the balance, kind of like being the tiniest kid in the class but when that tiny mass is added to the end of a roughly balanced teeter-totter, play is ruined.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    It's true that it's appalling that this few Congressmen have this much power. Then again, my understanding is that a budget could be passed completely over their heads, that Boehner won't do it because he could lose his position and other Republicans could lose seats to Tea Party primary challenges.

    So I still see this as a case of the Republicans have painted themselves into their own corner where they're powerless to oppose the Tea Party because of gerrymandered districts and the fact that they've whipped and driven their own voting base more and more to the right, and to the belief that if anything doesn't seem to be working well, you just need to vote further to the right.
    That's pretty much the picture painted in the book Do Not Ask What Good We Do.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    It's true that it's appalling that this few Congressmen have this much power. Then again, my understanding is that a budget could be passed completely over their heads, that Boehner won't do it because he could lose his position and other Republicans could lose seats to Tea Party primary challenges.

    So I still see this as a case of the Republicans have painted themselves into their own corner where they're powerless to oppose the Tea Party because of gerrymandered districts and the fact that they've whipped and driven their own voting base more and more to the right, and to the belief that if anything doesn't seem to be working well, you just need to vote further to the right.
    I pretty much agree with that.
    But will the Democrats blink and appease the TP's and their supporters?
    It's within the realms of possibility.


    This is what they came to Washington to do -- to break the government of the United States. It doesn't matter any more whether they're doing it out of pure crackpot ideology, or at the behest of the various sugar daddies that back their campaigns, or at the instigation of their party's mouthbreathing base. It may be any one of those reasons. It may be all of them. The government of the United States, in the first three words of its founding charter, belongs to all of us, and these people have broken it deliberately.
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues

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    Re: POLL, Liberal paradise: The Tea-Party started something they cant finish. What happens to them?

    The tea party is the most evil entity that has ever befallen a nation since the black plague. Democrats and Republicans, though they often fight, still manage to work things out. Along comes the damn tea party and now we have gridlock.

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