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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Visited twice already this morning.

    I think Jack is part of an effort to get people like us to keep the site busy by regularly dropping in to see if it is indeed working. It wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't tried to go to it at all, though if the point is to keep it busy he certainly would. But he needs about a hundred thousand clones, each getting a dozen people to keep visiting, to be effective -- so far I haven't had a problem at all. In fact, the site is more responsive than JUB.
    I heard 5million people went there and registered. That alone says people like the law.
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    I went in again to see if Jack spelled the url wrong. Ya know, Capitalizing HealthCare. But no, I got in with no problems.
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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Ok can we move beyond this discussion of the sites being up or their glitches to discuss the choices.let's assume the sites are working more or less..will you actually sign up for example and what level (silver bronze etc) will you take. Assuming some of you have no health insurance or inadequate...
    Your post comments are forwarded to the CIA.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    I will let you know what plan i put my family members on after i sign up. Right now there are so many people attempting to get access to this thing republicans told us all Americans hate, that I cannot get in to check prices.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    If there are people against Obamacare and aren't going to sign up, then why are they clogging the site?
    Curiosity. Often we're a nation of sheep, but sometimes we're a collection of cats.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Wednesday morning, October 3. Web site is still not working.

    Maybe Obama and Kit Kat need to call Apple or Google.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Wednesday morning, October 3. Web site is still not working.

    Maybe Obama and Kit Kat need to call Apple or Google.
    Springer, are you trying to sign up for Obamacare? You're desperate to access the site.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Well, Springer, I was just on there and got to the state plan I was looking for in about 30 seconds.

    I suspect that some of the more recalcitrant states are not making it easy for people to sign on and that the shear volume of people desperate to get affordable healthcare coverage are leading to queuing on the main site....Oh...and I suspect that the House orhestrated shut-down of the government isn't helping either.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    I just tried both Missouri and Kansas again ... no entrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I just tried both Missouri and Kansas again ... no entrance.
    Have you tried deleting your cookies? I know how tech-incompetent your generation can be.
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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Have you tried deleting your cookies? I know how tech-incompetent your generation can be.
    You beat me to it, except I was going to suggest clearing his entire internet cache and temp files as well.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    I forget to clear cookies and I got in twice with no probs. Duh.

    Your post reminded me to clear my cookies and I did , of course then I had to sign in again. meh.
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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I just tried both Missouri and Kansas again ... no entrance.
    I just tried Missouri and Kansas. No entrance -- just a spot in queue, which [to date] signals a dead end for users in my state.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    ^^^

    Thank you. I tried several other states also ... I didn't get as far with them as I did with Missouri or Kansas.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I just tried Missouri and Kansas. No entrance -- just a spot in queue, which [to date] signals a dead end for users in my state.
    Do we know that there are no area code restrictions for state facilitated or managed exchanges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Do we know that there are no area code restrictions for state facilitated or managed exchanges?
    What do you mean by "area codes?"

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    What do you mean by "area codes?"
    Telephone system area codes.

    For Jawja see Georgia Area Code Map.



    Some systems may not be set up to accept an out-of-state origination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Telephone system area codes.

    For Jawja see Georgia Area Code Map.

    Some systems may not be set up to accept an out-of-state origination.
    What if I'm traveling on vacation and need to know how to plan my health coverage?

    At any rate, how would telephone numbers be involved in accessing an Internet site?

    Oh~ and FWIW, Georgia's Governor and Insurance Commissioner are doing everything in their power to thwart the ACA -- even beyond declining to set up a state operated exchange.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    What if I'm traveling on vacation and need to know how to plan my health coverage?

    At any rate, how would telephone numbers be involved in accessing an Internet site?

    Oh~ and FWIW, Georgia's Governor and Insurance Commissioner are doing everything in their power to thwart the ACA -- even beyond declining to set up a state operated exchange.
    I refuse to believe that the internet hookup does not carry some location data. If Magic Mountain/Zauberberg can display my location the second I sign on I can fully believe that these sites might initially decline visits from non-state locales.

    As for traveling, have not thought about it.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    What if I'm traveling on vacation and need to know how to plan my health coverage?

    At any rate, how would telephone numbers be involved in accessing an Internet site?

    Oh~ and FWIW, Georgia's Governor and Insurance Commissioner are doing everything in their power to thwart the ACA -- even beyond declining to set up a state operated exchange.
    Opinterph ... don't get confused like Biden and get phone numbers and Internet addresses confused with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Opinterph ... don't get confused like Biden and get phone numbers and Internet addresses confused with each other.
    Actually, Jack, I'm the one who set that reply up.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    I'm glad that everyone else here seems to be able to log in -- buy insurance -- etc...

    It STILL won't ACCEPT my login...

    I tried setting up the account ALL OVER again -- and it said that my username was already taken???

    And -- I've tried under 2 different accounts (small business and individual) -- BOTH which I've ALREADY verified the email address -- MULTIPLE times...

    So...

    I went to CHAT for answers...

    This is what I received -- without the CHAT forum to even ALLOW me to type anything...

    [8:27:19 pm]: Thanks for contacting Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat. Please wait while we connect you to someone who can help.
    [8:27:23 pm]: Thanks for your interest in the Health Insurance Marketplace. Due to high call volume, all of our representatives are currently assisting other callers in completing Marketplace enrollment applications. Please keep trying, and thanks for your patience. You might have better success during off-peak hours, like later at night or early in the morning. We will continue working to improve our service so you can get health coverage! We apologize for any inconvenience.
    [8:27:35 pm]: Your chat session is over. Thanks for contacting us, and we hope we've answered your questions. Have a great day.
    [8:27:35 pm]: 10/3/2013
    This is DRIVING ME NUTS!!!

    What is it that you guys are doing to be able to gain access???

    I've cleared the cookies -- went to my security settings to allow EVERYONE (in addition to the NSA) access to EVERYTHING on my computer -- and NOTHING seems to work...

    THANKS!!!
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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    I FINALLY got through to a CHAT rep (Lindsey) -- and this was our conversation...

    [8:52:41 pm]: Welcome! You're now connected to Health Insurance Marketplace Live Chat.

    Thanks for contacting us. My name is Lindsey. To protect your privacy, please don't provide any personal information, like Social Security Number, or any other sensitive medical or personal information.
    [8:53:03 pm]: Lindsey
    Hello, how can I help you today?
    [8:55:23 pm]: Swerve
    Hi -- I've set up my account and verified my email address -- but for some reason cannot get the login screen to accept my login -- can you help me with that?
    [8:58:22 pm]: Swerve
    I have been trying to log in for 2 days now...
    [8:59:16 pm]: Lindsey
    We have a lot of visitors trying to use our website right now. That is causing some glitches for some people trying to create accounts or log in. Keep trying and thanks for your patience. You might have a better chance if you wait a few days and come try again. We will continue working to improve the site so you can get covered.
    [8:59:38 pm]: Swerve
    Can you verify WHY the website says that my login is invalid???
    [9:01:15 pm]: Swerve
    Are you there???
    [9:01:42 pm]: Swerve
    I can give you my sign on info -- to see why it isn't working...
    [9:03:25 pm]: Lindsey
    I apologize for the inconvenience, but if the site is not working right for anyone, then we would not be able to find out. If you would like to fill out an application you can call our contact center and do it over the phone.
    [9:04:47 pm]: Swerve
    Please get the site to work properly -- America needs you to do just that -- I'm worried that MANY people will become discouraged VERY quickly...
    I then asked if it was OK to post the conversation on the web...

    This is what she wrote...

    I can not say it is ok for you to post this on a website. You can call the contact center and they would be able to talk to you about it.
    So -- am I breaking the law by posting this???
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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Swerve, I'd wait a month or more. I'm curious also about the cost of coverage and what is included. I'm a consumer and want the best deal.

    I don't think they are ready and I would be concerned about giving out any personal information -- if they have glitches like the President says, those glitches may also include non-secured personal data collection.

    I don't think you're in any trouble posting the information here or anywhere else. However, I'm not a lawyer and have never read the law (which I doubt anyone has).

    All companies test their websites extensively evidently they didn't with this one.
    Last edited by Jack Springer; October 3rd, 2013 at 06:39 PM.

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    I doubt you're breaking the law. The fact that the websites have been overwhelmed with people needing health insurance shows just what a failure the ACA is ... he says sarcastically.

    They will get the glitches fixes. Everything has problems at start-up and success can have problems too. Be patient.



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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Well -- I wouldn't have posted the conversation if I REALLY thought that I could POSSIBLY be breaking a law...

    But -- I wanted to share what FRUSTRATIONS probably MILLIONS of people are experiencing right now...

    With no REAL answers...

    And -- as I stated in the conversation -- I'm worried that MANY will be put off -- and NOT revisit the site later on down the road...

    I spent last night reading MANY articles written by WEBSITE DEVELOPERS that explain how the genesis of LOGIC is LACKING in this website -- which is the FOUNDATION of the ENTIRE user experience...

    I find myself ABSOLUTELY CONFOUNDED that President Obama could POSSIBLY ALLOW this website to NOT work -- considering that this law is his SIGNATURE ACHIEVEMENT...

    ESPECIALLY since he has had 3 years lead time...

    I'm disappointed -- and, although I'm a supporter of ANY positive change to our health care system -- I believe that criticism, in THIS instance, is appropriate...

    Sadly...

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    I'm thinking the right wingers are intentionally calling the line to try and throw a monkey wrench in the startup. Can't be proven yet but I'm sure there will be something exposed about it.

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    Re: And the Affordable Health Care Exchanges are UP

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I refuse to believe that the internet hookup does not carry some location data. If Magic Mountain/Zauberberg can display my location the second I sign on I can fully believe that these sites might initially decline visits from non-state locales.

    As for traveling, have not thought about it.
    When I last had to call our internet provider, the gal didn't have to ask for my phone number because it was right in front of her -- she was puzzled because it wasn't the one on the account. So they can know.

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    It sounds like there's a great deal of variation between different states. Since they each did their own site, that's not surprising.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    I'm thinking the right wingers are intentionally calling the line to try and throw a monkey wrench in the startup. Can't be proven yet but I'm sure there will be something exposed about it.
    Obviously, creating a denial of service would be the first tactic the Kochs would use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    I'm thinking the right wingers are intentionally calling the line to try and throw a monkey wrench in the startup. Can't be proven yet but I'm sure there will be something exposed about it.
    Tea party activists have infiltrated HHS posing as ninjas hiding in air vents during the day and tampering with HHS servers at night.

    Get a grip. HHS was not prepared. Look who's the head -- her main purpose as HHS was to promote abortion, she's out of her league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Obviously, creating a denial of service would be the first tactic the Kochs would use.
    Don't let the tin foil hat get too tight on your brain.

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    I had trouble trying to decide which thread to post this in.. Then WTF, any of them is good enough for this news.
    GOP in trouble with Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street.. Really? So says TPM and DailyKos. yay

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...s?detail=email

    Wed Oct 02, 2013 at 07:05 AM PDT
    Wall Street, Chamber of Commerce Turning on GOP Extremists

    by TomP


    TPM reports, in an article titled "With Traditional GOP Allies Defecting, Big Business Takes Sides With Obama," that Big Business is entering into the fray and it is not on the side of the Tea Party.

    Having failed to persuade their traditional Republican allies in Congress to avert a government shutdown, business leaders fear bigger problems ahead, and they're taking sides with a Democratic president whose health care and regulatory agenda they have vigorously opposed.
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    Hasn't anyone figured this would be the case? Or should I say Everyone has figured this out.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...y?detail=email

    Tue Oct 01, 2013 at 09:20 AM PDT
    Republican shutdown will cost the economy $300 million a day

    by Laura ClawsonFollow


    The government shutdown will cost the American economy $300 million a day, according to one estimate—and that's just for starters. If House Republicans refuse to pass a clean continuing resolution, keeping the government shut down, the costs will go up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Tea party activists have infiltrated HHS posing as ninjas hiding in air vents during the day and tampering with HHS servers at night. .
    Where did you get your Ninja costume? I wasn't aware they made them in your XXXXXL size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Obviously, creating a denial of service would be the first tactic the Kochs would use.
    That reminds me of a principle I use when making trails or building just about anything for public use: never design for the intelligent -- design for the idiots and the foolish.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I had trouble trying to decide which thread to post this in.. Then WTF, any of them is good enough for this news.
    GOP in trouble with Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street.. Really? So says TPM and DailyKos. yay

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...s?detail=email
    Not surprising. While there are government programs that area burden to business, a government that isn't working at all is very bad indeed.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    That reminds me of a principle I use when making trails or building just about anything for public use: never design for the intelligent -- design for the idiots and the foolish.
    That's actually the precise design principle taught in basic computer programming and such as well. "Design it with a total idiot in mind, and design it to assume people are going to hit 5 when told to hit enter." Granted software is really really complicated to get "perfect" or make sure it doesn't have any bugs and to make it as user-friendly as possible, but the same basic design is intended to assume stupidity or user error.

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    I checked for a comparable plan that I have through work. Platinum
    My employer insurance is 12k. No deductible.
    Platinum would cost me 5k with a 6k deductible.
    Rates are based on location and age, If you smoke add in another 2k.
    They did ask about pre-existing conditions.
    If insurance through employer is available - NO subsidy.
    With out of pocket expenses both plans cost the same, no savings.
    I had a dr. appt this morning, They hired a nurse practitioner and are being incorporated into a larger practice.
    I asked how the ACA is affecting them and the reply was - MOVE to Canada.
    Decent coverage is still unaffordable for those that need it. The cheapest plan is all but worthless

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    ^ Excellent post, chuck.


    Quote Originally Posted by chuck10x View Post
    Decent coverage is still unaffordable for those that need it. The cheapest plan is all but worthless
    Yes, exactly.

    The cheap plans will be what low income people will go for, since it is all they can afford (if that). But, the cheap plans are worthless. They cover only ~60% of your healthcare expenses. Since these plans will be bought by those who can barely afford them in the first place, these people still will not have health care, since they are still responsible for almost half of their medical expenses. That means these people will not visit their doctors for routine care, since they won't be able to afford the deductibles. The cost savings achieved by catching diseases early will not be realized, since these people will not be getting routine visits. They still not be able to recover from the cost of catastrophic illness, since they will still be responsible for a huge chunk of that cost. These plans will serve only to fatten the insurance industry and widen the gap between rich and poor in America. The cheaper plans do not provide access to healthcare for people who do not now have it.

    The platinum plans are the only plans worth considering, but they are extremely expensive. Competitive with the private sector, certainly, but nevertheless very expensive.


    Quote Originally Posted by chuck10x View Post
    I had a dr. appt this morning, They hired a nurse practitioner and are being incorporated into a larger practice.
    I asked how the ACA is affecting them and the reply was - MOVE to Canada.
    That was good advice. What the USA needs is comprehensive healthcare for every disease for every citizen.

    What the USA needs is a Canadian-style healthcare system, not Obamacare.
    Last edited by T-Rexx; October 4th, 2013 at 05:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    ^ Excellent post, chuck.
    ...
    That was good advice. What the USA needs is comprehensive healthcare for every disease for every citizen.
    ...
    In the fullness of time.

    No need to denigrate the beginnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    In the fullness of time.

    No need to denigrate the beginnings.
    That's more or less my sentiment as well. I agree T-Rexx is describing what most progressives want, but I think anyone who is surprised logging onto the website and not finding comprehensive national single-payer healthcare coverage must have missed a few years of Republican filibustering. Unfortunately the Republicans have done a good job of first stopping comprehensive affordable care for everyone, while at the same time making everyone think a "super socialist" coverage system is what Obama was bringing... creating this situation now where people seem surprised that they're not getting the proposal that died years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    That's more or less my sentiment as well. I agree T-Rexx is describing what most progressives want, but I think anyone who is surprised logging onto the website and not finding comprehensive national single-payer healthcare coverage must have missed a few years of Republican filibustering. Unfortunately the Republicans have done a good job of first stopping comprehensive affordable care for everyone, while at the same time making everyone think a "super socialist" coverage system is what Obama was bringing... creating this situation now where people seem surprised that they're not getting the proposal that died years ago.
    that we have a Republican health plan - that the Republicans are now against - is lamentable - but rather that than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    The cheap plans will be what low income people will go for, since it is all they can afford (if that). But, the cheap plans are worthless. They cover only ~60% of your healthcare expenses. Since these plans will be bought by those who can barely afford them in the first place, these people still will not have health care, since they are still responsible for almost half of their medical expenses. That means these people will not visit their doctors for routine care, since they won't be able to afford the deductibles. The cost savings achieved by catching diseases early will not be realized, since these people will not be getting routine visits. They still not be able to recover from the cost of catastrophic illness, since they will still be responsible for a huge chunk of that cost. These plans will serve only to fatten the insurance industry and widen the gap between rich and poor in America. The cheaper plans do not provide access to healthcare for people who do not now have it.

    The platinum plans are the only plans worth considering, but they are extremely expensive. Competitive with the private sector, certainly, but nevertheless very expensive.
    It's exactly what we should have expected from a system written by people who consider profit of more value than people. The Heritage Foundation is propertarian, not conservative, no matter what they claim. They suffer from the Ayn Rand fallacy, which declares that those who can "produce wealth" -- and those who have it -- are the only real humans, and the rest are fated to struggle and suffer so that the few can rise above.

    Randians accuse liberals of being elitists, but liberals don't hold a candle to them.

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    A good look at how the exchanges are working nationally and by some states.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...st-day-states/
    Obamacare Enrollment Is Beating Expectations

    By Tara Culp-Ressler on October 1, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    On Tuesday, Obamacare’s state-level insurance marketplaces opened to the public, marking the start of a six-month enrollment period that will stretch into March. Although there’s been some confusion around the health law’s new marketplaces — also known as “exchanges” — initial reports suggest that a significant number of people are seeking out information about reform. States across the country are overwhelmed with huge amounts of traffic to their new exchange websites.

    Here are some of the early details about Obama enrollment emerging on a state and national level (this post will be updated as the day continues):
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's exactly what we should have expected from a system written by people who consider profit of more value than people. The Heritage Foundation is propertarian, not conservative, no matter what they claim. They suffer from the Ayn Rand fallacy, which declares that those who can "produce wealth" -- and those who have it -- are the only real humans, and the rest are fated to struggle and suffer so that the few can rise above.

    Randians accuse liberals of being elitists, but liberals don't hold a candle to them.
    I believe that a lot of the problems - mechanics and cost - are the result in large part to the failure of the progressives to realize that broad health care could become law. The default plan became the Republican proposals, especially after Massachusetts did not come a cropper; the failure of the Hillary Clinton health initiative did not seem to invigorate the troops either.

    Accordingly we are left with a flawed but workable law. Now we need to get to work pressing for the improvements that will bring greater inclusion and lower costs.

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    The ACA poster boy who said supposedly was the first to get insurance and lauded by the WH lied.

    Typical.

    Lies are just everyday life for Obama and his followers.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...lly-signed-up/

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    I have been saying from the beginning since the public option was dropped, There is no such thing as affordable insurance.
    The ACA was based on Romneycare, But, Obama pushed for this and it was passed on on a straight Democratic vote.
    Republicans tried to vote it out 42 times and shut down the Govt. to get rid of it.
    Before we knew the cost, All I have heard is - Thank you President Obama.
    They are still saying it is affordable, But the costs go up simply because I live in Philly, am turning 50 and have a pre-existing condition.
    The more you need it, The more it will cost you.
    Like it or not, Obama and the Democrats own the ACA

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    A cousin of mine posted this on FB this AM and was wondering if it is true. Of course I see lies lies lies, but this is something the Breitbart, Beck, Fox Snooze or their ilk would say.
    I am wondering if any of you have happened across it. I checked Snopes, FactCheck and Wash Post has a site of false Obamacare news.
    DID YOU KNOW...
    Even your children belong to the government. Under Obamacare, on October 1, 2013, CPS field agents, armed with a manual published by Human Health and Services and codified under Obamacare will begin operating under the power granted to them by Obamacare. Subsequently, they will be able to conduct forced home visits without a warrant. Things such as a (yet undefined) bad grade, missing more than 5 days in school in any one month, can get a parent to be declared guilty of educational neglect. Having a gun or beer in your house can get your children removed from your custody. Even the traditional act of grounding your child for misbehavior will get you declared to be guilty of “isolation neglect” and subject your child for removal from your authority and your home. If you are a parent and you have not heard of this provision of Obamacare, I would suggest you read the 110 page manual that was created by the United Nations. This is the HHS/CPS field manual that goes into effect this week!
    http://thecommonsenseshow.com/category/conspiracy/

    And before I even get the damn thing posted I think I've found the source of it. Another Alex Jones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck10x View Post
    The more you need it, The more it will cost you.
    Like it or not, Obama and the Democrats own the ACA
    That's because this is still a private, profit-driven, private health insurance-based healthcare system in the U.S.

    That didn't change or start with the ACA. There are still real improvements in this reform, such as the fact that before you could have paid your premiums and then been dropped at any time on the thinnest pretext of claiming something was or could have been pre-existing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    That's because this is still a private, profit-driven, private health insurance-based healthcare system in the U.S.

    That didn't change or start with the ACA. There are still real improvements in this reform, such as the fact that before you could have paid your premiums and then been dropped at any time on the thinnest pretext of claiming something was or could have been pre-existing.
    Yeah there are amazing portions that most americans agree should be law. Like not being dropped when you get sick like these slimy fucking shithole insurers were doing, staying on the parents plan while in college since you cant afford your own coverage, no ability to deny coverage....

    The unfortunate thing is most americans associate the good with the Affordable Care Act and the bad with Obamacare. WHy? Because the only truly reigning consensus is that Americans will buy anything if you say it enough times.
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