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    Re: Gerontophilia

    Is it contagious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    Is it contagious?

    some people are immune...

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    Any idea where I can download this movie? I've seen several clips including this one and it looks good.

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    Lookin' good, thanks for sharing.

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    Does anyone think this is possible or just a subject thought up for a film? I must say I would like to see the film and it gives me a slight hope that perhaps my days of sexual experiences with younger men are not yet over.
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    I have a 21 year old friend who likes older men genuinely and not for their money.

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    Very interesting, exploring the dynamics of this type of relationships. Anything is possible I guess. Very cute couple though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I have a 21 year old friend who likes older men genuinely and not for their money.
    But likes as in sexually and enjoying a sexual relationship? In the film the boy gets an erection from giving an elderly man mouth to mouth resuscitation.

    Quote Originally Posted by umjreon88 View Post
    Very interesting, exploring the dynamics of this type of relationships. Anything is possible I guess. Very cute couple though.
    I must admit that I find the boy extremely attractive; thus the interest in the film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    But likes as in sexually and enjoying a sexual relationship? In the film the boy gets an erection from giving an elderly man mouth to mouth resuscitation.
    Yes, and actually his current boyfriend is poor. They live in a lower income neighborhood of Baltimore, what we would call the ghetto. I don't feel safe visiting their house.

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    I'll admit the idea weirds me out more than a little bit, having a massive age gap. I mean, most parents struggle to really get their kids for large portions of their lives, even when the kids are functioning adults with kids of their own, so I'm not entirely sure how an intimate relationship even starts.

    I will freely admit that this is my own prejudice, though, and others can no doubt shoot it down in flames.

    That aside, an honest question - when does going for a specific type move out of the realm of mere preference and into the realm of fetish? That's another thing which has always worried me a little, that the sort of guys or girls I generally have an interest in and have been out with are really more of the latter than anything else.

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    Half of the gay couples I see in bars/streets etc are intergenerational, so I have absolutely no idea why some people are still surprized by it.

    I´m 24 and my bf is double my age, though I have seen way bigger diferences than this one. So, OP, it IS possible.
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    I would accept the definition of it being a "fetish".

    In other extracts from the film his relationship with old men is not just emotional it is a physical desire to touch their skin to actually have sex with them; though I presume he builds up an emotional relationship with the guy we see in this extract.

    It obviously extremely difficult for most of us to understand this. I would presume it is not a "fetish" extremely common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaggii View Post
    Half of the gay couples I see in bars/streets etc are intergenerational, so I have absolutely no idea why some people are still surprized by it.

    I´m 24 and my bf is double my age, though I have seen way bigger diferences than this one. So, OP, it IS possible.
    I agree, for this is my experience here in Greece where much older men, and their much younger partners is common....

    There is no pre-ordained order in human nature that determines loving relationships should be between people of a similar age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaggii View Post
    .........................I´m 24 and my bf is double my age, though I have seen way bigger diferences than this one. So, OP, it IS possible.
    This means your bf is 48yrs old, not really what I was thinking about.

    How would you consider a sexual relationship with a 70yr old guy?

    If I have understood the subject of the film it is not about younger men fancying "daddies" with silver hair and a good body; rather the "warts and all" aspects of us over 60s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
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    There is no pre-ordained order in human nature that determines loving relationships should be between people of a similar age.
    Obviously I agree with this statement but the film is not talking about a loving relationship but about the boy's sexual desire for extremely old men. To me it would seem there is a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Obviously I agree with this statement but the film is not talking about a loving relationship but about the boy's sexual desire for extremely old men. To me it would seem there is a difference.
    When I speak of a loving relationship, I'm including a sexual life.....not a platonic relationship.

    Yes, here it is not uncommon to witness 70 year old men, and young men in a loving relationship that endures.

    It could be said that there are material benefits for the younger man, that add to the older man's allure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    How would you consider a sexual relationship with a 70yr old guy?

    If I have understood the subject of the film it is not about younger men fancying "daddies" with silver hair and a good body; rather the "warts and all" aspects of us over 60s.
    Though I´m not someone to talk about what I do in bed, I´ll have to say this time that I have been with older people. Also close to the point of starting a relatinship with a 65yo or so if he hadn´t chickened out because of - drum roll - the age difference. It doesn´t mean I don´t like peeps my age. I can only assume that because of spending too much time online and too little time actually out got you thinking my ¨daddy¨ (to quote you) is some kind of gray hair fit Greek god. He´s not. But he is what I like and that´s it. His mind and heart could have been in the body of a 20yo slim dude, I couldn´t care less. What makes looks so important, I will never understand.

    Go and take a look outisde at actually 50 year olds men and you´ll get an idea.
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    I am in a loving relationship with a much younger man...but when I was free and doing the rounds of the bars I had no problem attracting sexual partners from among the teen crowd anxious to spend a night away from their parent's home....enjoying a night of passion.....did this include paying for their taxi fare back home the following morning...of course....we have a 70 pct unemployment rate in Greece among 16/24 year olds....and sharing with those in lack is part of the Greek culture.... Quid pro quo.

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    One of the great gay love stories from ancient times was between the Emperor Hadrian, and a Greek youth, Antinous a relationship that flourished until the early death of Antinous...leaving Hadrian to pine for years, for his dead lover:

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    It´s nothing to be understood, really. As long as the younger is not too young (for legal and hopefully ethical reasons), it´s happening, like it or not. I don´t understand cross-dressing, but if it does it for people, why would I have anything to say about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    This means your bf is 48yrs old, not really what I was thinking about.

    How would you consider a sexual relationship with a 70yr old guy?

    If I have understood the subject of the film it is not about younger men fancying "daddies" with silver hair and a good body; rather the "warts and all" aspects of us over 60s.
    There's no denying the attraction and beauty of youth.

    Maybe I'm misinterpreting this thread, but I get the impression you view this as your only option?
    Why not "pick on someone your own age" ???

    I'm kind of on the fence on cross generational relationships.
    I can see where some can work, and part of me views it as a little creepy.
    I'd have to know it wasn't predatory.
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    I'm totally fine with cross-generational relationships (with the participants being of legal age). As I've often said, my only problem is with those who would stamp others who aren't interested "shallow"...despite having precisely the same standards.

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    While I certainly understand what a younger guys sees in an older guy (say 20 and 50), I have to say I have a hard time getting over the creepy factor of the older one. However, this thread is about sex between someone substantially older than 50 wanting sex with someone who could be the age of his grandson. I could understand the attraction to youth, but I have a hard time understanding the attraction the other way. Fetish does sound about right, but if it is just about sex and not any emotional attachment, the old guy is unlikely to care as long as he gets laid, I suppose.

    Maybe we should get Vannies opinion since he seems to have so much luck hitting on the young orderlies at Shady Pines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    When I speak of a loving relationship, I'm including a sexual life.....not a platonic relationship.

    Yes, here it is not uncommon to witness 70 year old men, and young men in a loving relationship that endures.

    It could be said that there are material benefits for the younger man, that add to the older man's allure.

    Without getting into 'quality of life', and 'dependencies', the life expectancy for males in Greece is about 77.

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    I may not be expressing myself clearly if a few of you are assuming that I am criticising such relationships. I am not, neither am I saying I find it impossible for a loving relationship to form between two people of different generations.

    This film seems to take the scenario of a young, extremely attractive man being sexually attracted to the less attractive physical appearances that are associated with much older men. Not having seen the whole film I can only assume that he has an emotional relationship with the old guy in the clip but from other short (unfortunately in French) clips it is obvious that everything starts from a completely physical desire for elderly men.

    I can understand a younger man forming an emotional bond with an elderly guy (we are talking over 60yrs here) and that developing into a sexual one. It is the reverse that I am questioning. Is the sexual desire for "old" flesh a fetish and does it really exist or is it an invention for the sake of the film?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Without getting into 'quality of life', and 'dependencies', the life expectancy for males in Greece is about 77.

    I am sure that we are now better informed knowing that even Greeks are mortal....but on the Greek island of Ikaria, life expectancy is just a tad longer encouraging me to believe that younger men can expect their loving relationships, with older men to last a little longer. ...and pedants are always welcome to entertain us....with their statistics...

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    It says it's a film by Bruce LaBruce. Any idea how old he is? LOL

    "Old men and gin and bruise very easily", haha my favorite line in the clip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    I may not be expressing myself clearly if a few of you are assuming that I am criticising such relationships. I am not, neither am I saying I find it impossible for a loving relationship to form between two people of different generations.

    This film seems to take the scenario of a young, extremely attractive man being sexually attracted to the less attractive physical appearances that are associated with much older men. Not having seen the whole film I can only assume that he has an emotional relationship with the old guy in the clip but from other short (unfortunately in French) clips it is obvious that everything starts from a completely physical desire for elderly men.

    I can understand a younger man forming an emotional bond with an elderly guy (we are talking over 60yrs here) and that developing into a sexual one. It is the reverse that I am questioning. Is the sexual desire for "old" flesh a fetish and does it really exist or is it an invention for the sake of the film?
    I doubt whether too many younger men regard their sexual appetite for an older man as anything but a desire to get laid....I further doubt that most young men, who lust after older men worry about psycho analysing their reasons for seeking sexual encounters with older men.

    There are young men who discover through experience that older men can be much more intersting, and sexually fulfilling even, enjoying the flattery, and attention they receive from an older man often lacking in a man of their own age.

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    It seems like such a fetish to me. If you like someone strictly for their youth, what happens when they inevitably grow older?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    It seems like such a fetish to me. If you like someone strictly for their youth, what happens when they inevitably grow older?
    As another poster has reminded us, nothing lasts forever...gather rosebuds while you may.

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    "Forever" is one thing. But can we at least try for something MEANT to last? Being attracted to someone for their youth is the definition of temporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    It seems like such a fetish to me. If you like someone strictly for their youth, what happens when they inevitably grow older?
    The film is exploring the opposite to what you are saying. We are well aware of the attractiveness of youth to older men.

    Here it is the youth that is attracted to the elderly, something that is also obviously not eternal. He can desire sexual relationships with the elderly but as soon as he forms a romantic one then that is doomed to last only as long as the elderly guy survives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    "Forever" is one thing. But can we at least try for something MEANT to last? Being attracted to someone for their youth is the definition of temporary.
    The duration of a loving relationship between an older man, and a younger man is not determined by the age of the two partners....

    ...anymore, than the duration of loving relationship between two people of similar age is determined by their age....

    ...clearly other factors enable a loving partnership to flourish...and last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Here it is the youth that is attracted to the elderly, something that is also obviously not eternal. He can desire sexual relationships with the elderly but as soon as he forms a romantic one then that is doomed to last only as long as the elderly guy survives.
    An accurate observation....but even supposing the older partner dies within five years, the young man has experienced the joys of a loving relationship.....

    There is no minimum time element that should be factored into any loving relationship....to make it worth the while of the two partners....

    My love affairs over many years were entered into as a result of a mutual attraction...at no time did I, or my partner determine that we should stay together for as long as we would live.....enjoy the moment.....I lost my first two (younger) partners to premature death....my current partner should outlast me....meantime, we enjoy our time together without obsessing over our huge difference in age.
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    Thanks for the replies so far.

    Here at JUB we often comment on the "smoking hot" guy of 50 or the 60s and over who lust over the young flesh of 20yr olds, but this is the first time I have come across a situation where the young cute guy lusts over the wrinkled old body of a 70yr old.

    Thus the reason for posting the video.

    I doubt that the film will come out on general release but if any one finds a source for buying/watching it I would be grateful to know about it.
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    Alan, thanks for this thread for it has thrown up some interesting thoughts..I must go to work.

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    Interesting that you posted the video clip, I was looking for torrents or other possible downloads of the movie yesterday, as the premise of the film fascinates me.

    I don't think it's all that weird for a person to be attracted to the other for whatever reason. Some pairings are more common the others but I've learned that anything is possible. I have known a friend that dated someone a lot older than he was (50+ year difference) and I don't find either of them "weird" at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    "Forever" is one thing. But can we at least try for something MEANT to last? Being attracted to someone for their youth is the definition of temporary.
    Maybe, if you are talking purely physical attraction - a one-nighter - a quicky - etc.

    'Nesting', or 'mating', finding someone with whom you'd like to build a life, and 'grow old with' - sharing all of life's joys, experiences, and surprises as they come - is quite another story, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Does anyone think this is possible or just a subject thought up for a film? I must say I would like to see the film and it gives me a slight hope that perhaps my days of sexual experiences with younger men are not yet over.
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    I've only ever slept with guys in the 35-50 age range, with one exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Provocateur View Post
    I've only ever slept with guys in the 35-50 age range, with one exception.
    You are without any doubt not the only member of JUB in the same situation; it seems common to me that members admit to sexual attraction towards men in their 40s to 50s. But here we are talking about guys in their 70s and I have yet to read of someone your age confessing to finding us "eldergays" hot.
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    There are certain lines that human beings should never cross and this is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kane- View Post
    There are certain lines that human beings should never cross and this is one of them.
    Within certain limits I could quite agree with Kane here.

    But why then do I feel that me personally lusting after a youthful 20yr old is slightly unacceptable yet after watching the film clip finding the young boy's sexual desires strange but completely acceptable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Within certain limits I could quite agree with Kane here.

    But why then do I feel that me personally lusting after a youthful 20yr old is slightly unacceptable yet after watching the film clip finding the young boy's sexual desires strange but completely acceptable?
    I think to a greater degree, most of society would think that you're old enough to know better while he gets a pass for being young and naive.

    The creator of this movie claimed it was supposed to be a controversial subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    It seems like such a fetish to me. If you like someone strictly for their youth, what happens when they inevitably grow older?
    If they are assholes, they will eventually find another youngster. If they are serious, the bond gets stronger with each year that passes and the age becomes just a number. My bf´s ex was only a few years younger (7 or 8) and they broke up because of his ex´s cheating. My bf told me he thought (and wanted it too, before he found out) that they will be together until eventually one of them dies.

    These situations, you can´t make general rules for all the couples, because each couple is different in everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Here at JUB we often comment on the "smoking hot" guy of 50 or the 60s and over who lust over the young flesh of 20yr olds, but this is the first time I have come across a situation where the young cute guy lusts over the wrinkled old body of a 70yr old.
    Look at it this way: there are people who are into: scat, fisting, furries, (now crossing the line) animals, relatives and (now the absolutely worse) kids. Etc. There is this internet rule that if it exists, someone is attracted sexually to it. Old people should really be the last worry.

    There were quite some cases about young men with old women. I shouldn´t even start to say about old men with young women. Usually money is involved, but not always of course. Sometimes it´s just lust and sometimes true love.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Kane- View Post
    There are certain lines that human beings should never cross and this is one of them.
    Go back to the 60s.


    edit: this is a nice read - http://www.magneticfire.com/2010/01/...ut-of-gay-men/
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaggii View Post
    .......................................edit: this is a nice read - http://www.magneticfire.com/2010/01/...ut-of-gay-men/
    Thank you aaggii that is exactly what I was hoping to find and read. It answers many of the questions I had and provides a solid basis in understanding what I had thought as a "fetish" as something rather more common and normal than I thought.
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    Good read.

    It is often demanded of younger men who prefer older men that they explain their choice, but most of the time they don’t know why they are attracted to older men, and those demands are often made by gay men who are age cohorts. They are continually confronted with disbelief that the relationship can be based on love and not some materialistic motives. Often fully capable of taking care of themselves, they find it hurtful that they are accused of looking for a sugar daddy.
    The bolded bit is how I am. I don't know why I am attracted (nor am I really interested in finding out), I just am. I have been attracted to older men all across the board, not just the "silver daddy" type mentioned. I mean there is a multitude of different reasons on why I find certain men attractive. But it is generally older men.

    The worst part about these types of relationships for me is the generalizations that come from others about them. People like to think they know more about them than they actually do.

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    Posts like this highlight the issue with some of us gay men liking older guys. I am 23 and my partner is 60 - for me this is fine, I love him dearly for the same reason all of you love your partners. I feel like I should be under no pressure to explain my attraction to older guys, in the same way as I should not have to explain my attraction to people of the same sex as me. I often feel like it is a second level of coming out of us guys who like much older men (and we are actually quite a large group) that most people are still hostile to - this includes other gay men.

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