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    Countdown to Government Shutdown

    John Boehner has no control over his republicans in congress. Unless something big happens and happens fast, the Federal Government will shut down on Tuesday, October 1st by radical republicans.

    Last time they did this they paid dearly the following election.

    Puzzling thing is it's all about defunding the Affordable Care Act which is the law of the land and would have been funded anyway.

    Why do the American people keep giving these irresponsible republicans the keys to the car only to let them drive off a cliff? They did this in 2011 and now it looks like it will happen again. If they can't be responsible driving the country, then take away their keys again and make sure they don't get them again.

    The best / worst is yet to come with the debt ceiling deadline October 17th. Unless their demands are met, republican majority in congress will not raise the debt ceiling. Demands like the Keystone pipeline, more offshore drilling..... you know, the things the oil industry want. Nothing to do with debt, just the kidnappers demands.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...852_story.html

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...,1894931.story

    Boehner, reign in your congress. You're doing a shitty job.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...temper-tantrum

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    as u know the system is broken--more people vote for dems then for republican morons-- and yet they can cause this kind of mayhem--doesn't seem right. I just wonder if they will pay at the polls--somehow I doubt it.

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    Unfortunately, the gerrymander, which is legal, is part of the problem. IMHO, the teabaggers are the American Taliban. They are terrorists and we were told that we didn't negotiate with terrorists. Also, I think the teabaggers are more of a threat to this country than the Soviet Union ever was.

    I have three solutions to your aforementioned problems:

    1. Vote
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    The President should just declare the debt limit unconstitutional in his opinion because adhering to it would require him to harm the full faith and credit of the United States.

    Or he could order the mint to make him three dozen trillion-dollar coins and deposit them one at a time in the Treasury as needed to meet what the law demands.



    edit: it would be nice to have some actual conservatives in Congress
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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I don't see why republicans are surprised their threats didn't work. It's the policy of the US government to not negotiate with terrorists after all...
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    The House Republicans aren't actually terrorists -- they're the political front for the economic terrorists in the country.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Hey, America! Bend over and grab your ankles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    Hey, America! Bend over and grab your ankles.

    You stole that from a anti-ACA ad.


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    I don't think liberals or democrats are terrorists or anti-American -- just severely misguided and uninformed. This whole hate, name calling thing has got to end.

    The President of the United States should not be involved in such vitriol of the other branches of government. He needs to chill and act like a leader.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    What are the Democrats thinking? Do they really believe that we can borrow a trillion dollars a year forever and ever?

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    I don't think liberals or democrats are terrorists or anti-American -- just severely misguided and uninformed. This whole hate, name calling thing has got to end.

    The President of the United States should not be involved in such vitriol of the other branches of government. He needs to chill and act like a leader.
    The President of the United States is a leader. In order for him to lead, you need to follow. It's YOU not doing your job, Springer.

    And I'm glad you think the hate needs to stop. Do you want to be a leader with that?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    The republican party is anti american. Every time they get a smidgen of governing power they use it to obstruct the entire government and thereby hurting all Americans. They did so in the nineties after forty years of exile from legislative power. Democratic leaders on the other hand work with republicans when the overriding american opinion installs republicans as the majority political leaders. It is astonishing the lengths the republicans will go to in keeping america from being successful. Consider that every instance in modern history that a republican has held the front office they increase substantially the overall debt; every democratic head cheese alternatively shrinks the deficit. Is Obama making historic deficits? YES! Why is that? Because the incredible fucking shit storm handed to him was in need of monetary infusion to continue actually working. STILL he has mangaed to shrink spending. Amazing duplicity by republicans. When the guy in charge is shrinking spending and massive deficits still remain it HAS to mean what was there previously was untenable.

    I will not get paid in October, that is fine with me if it means this terrorist party is extracted from america for a damn good long time. maybe forty more years in the desert?
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    P.S. When Ronald Reagan has words on record describing the purposeful bankrupting of america both reckless and lacking leadership vision, well then you can understand how far afield these tea party terrorist have run. The GOP, wreaking economic terrorism on Americans since 2001.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You stole that from a anti-ACA ad.

    Yeah, by the Koch brothers. One, I might add, even THE TEA PARTY people were embarrassed by. It was kind of a wtf thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't think liberals or democrats are terrorists or anti-American -- just severely misguided and uninformed. This whole hate, name calling thing has got to end.

    The President of the United States should not be involved in such vitriol of the other branches of government. He needs to chill and act like a leader.
    Of course you don't think that - liberals and democrats don't operate on threats and the refusal to work unless their demands are met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't think liberals or democrats are terrorists or anti-American -- just severely misguided and uninformed. This whole hate, name calling thing has got to end.

    The President of the United States should not be involved in such vitriol of the other branches of government. He needs to chill and act like a leader.
    Jack, what is your opinion on Boehner's leadership?

    Serious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What are the Democrats thinking? Do they really believe that we can borrow a trillion dollars a year forever and ever?
    They are thinking that the laws passed under the framework of the Constitution have to be honored, and that the full faith and credit of the United States requires that when those laws impose a financial expense, then the United States pays those bills.

    In actuality, the Democrats are very solid conservatives in this matter: paying one's bills is a conservative value if there ever was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    When the guy in charge is shrinking spending and massive deficits still remain it HAS to mean what was there previously was untenable.
    QFT

    It's similar to a new driver getting behind the wheel and practically standing on the brakes, but a hundred meters later the car is still skidding almost out of control.

    An honest analysis would congratulate Obama on reducing the deficit, while chastizing him for not getting Congress to get it reduced faster.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    The Republicans in Congress are like a spoiled, petulant kid that can't get their own way. They lost the Obamacare battle in Congress in 2010, they lost the presidential election when repealing it was an every day, ad nauseum charge to to get Romney in the White House and then were rebuffed by the Supreme Court. Their statement that a majority ofAmericans don't want it may or may not be true, but if one thinks back to something like say the Civil Rights Act, I'm sure many of our wonderful Southern states populations were outraged back then. Like Obamacare It didn't/doesn't matter, it's the law of the land and holding the country hostage to try and get their way needs to stop. You've lost that battle, move on.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Latest news from the "negotiations."

    Republicans in the House have proposed to continue funding the government through December 15, but only if Obamacare is delayed by a year, and the 2.5% tax on medical devices is repealed.

    The repeal of the medical device tax comes from a letter to Republican leaders Boehner, Cantor, McArthy, and Camp from a group of house Republicans. Only the letter wasn't written by any Republican representative or group of representatives. Metadata within the letter shows it to have been written by Ryan Strandlund, a lobbyist for the medical devices industry.

    We teeter on the brink of a government shutdown. But the Republicans still demand concessions to lobbyists as a condition for resolving the crisis.


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    As we have already seen, this new tax would severely hamper medical device innovation, patient access to new therapies and treatments, and job creation we desperately need.
    This sentence could be lifted from any lobbyist letter. I am astounded every time I read crap like this from business and lobbyists. I don't believe a word of this BS. Just once I'd like one of these greedy bastards to tell the truth and say that this tax might keep our CEO and top executives from buying a new golden toilet seat so they can shit on the rest of the 99% of the country they consider beneath them. None of this is about innovation, customer access or jobs. It's all about making the 1% ever more rich at the public's expense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Latest news from the "negotiations."

    Republicans in the House have proposed to continue funding the government through December 15, but only if Obamacare is delayed by a year, and the 2.5% tax on medical devices is repealed.
    I always thought the tax on medical devices was silly to begin with, since it can't help but add to the cost of medical services. If we want a tax to help support good health, it should be on something that isn't good for people in the first place -- tobacco, pesticides, corn sweeteners, coal....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I always thought the tax on medical devices was silly to begin with, since it can't help but add to the cost of medical services. If we want a tax to help support good health, it should be on something that isn't good for people in the first place -- tobacco, pesticides, corn sweeteners, coal....
    There are many aspects of Obamacare that I find troubling.

    One of these is the way it is to be paid for. The taxes implemented to fund Obamacare are piecemeal, disorganized, and not logical. More worrisome, 5% of Obamacare is to be paid by increasing fines to physicians for "violations" of various medical regulatory laws. Mind you, this is not punishing physicians for having committed some significant infraction. It is milking them of money over technicalities. Failing to have the drug cabinet locked or having a chart sitting out on a countertop when an inspector drops by unexpectedly will cost them tens of thousands of dollars - literally.

    President Obama says Obamacare will cost $940 billion over the first ten years. That's ~$100 billion/year. 5% of that is ~$5 billion/year that physicians will pay in what will essentially be trumped-up charges, just to milk them of cash to pay for the program. It would be far more honest just to tax all physicians for the privilege of practicing medicine. But that is not politically possible, of course.

    This is akin to municipalities which raise cash by setting up devious speed traps for motorists. Only, in this case, the fines are tens of thousands of dollars each. It's just not a very professional way to go about raising money. You get the feeling this act was stuck together with chicken wire and chewing gum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    This is akin to municipalities which raise cash by setting up devious speed traps for motorists. Only, in this case, the fines are tens of thousands of dollars each. It's just not a very professional way to go about raising money. You get the feeling this act was stuck together with chicken wire and chewing gum.
    After seventy years of attempted methods to give healthcare coverage to Americans one would have to think the only way a bill could pass is in a odd illogical piecemeal fashion.

    I personally feel the major positive (maybe one of the only positives) of the ACA is after Americans get it then both parties will drink the kool aid and have to make it workable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    After seventy years of attempted methods to give healthcare coverage to Americans one would have to think the only way a bill could pass is in a odd illogical piecemeal fashion.

    I personally feel the major positive (maybe one of the only positives) of the ACA is after Americans get it then both parties will drink the kool aid and have to make it workable.
    But the GOP isn't going to try to make it work. Since it exists and was passed by Democrats, they'll just try to gum up the works. The real tragedy there is that there are some serious market-oriented ways to improve the situation drastically, but the GOP won't be fighting for any of them because they would help make things work.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    But the GOP isn't going to try to make it work. Since it exists and was passed by Democrats, they'll just try to gum up the works. The real tragedy there is that there are some serious market-oriented ways to improve the situation drastically, but the GOP won't be fighting for any of them because they would help make things work.
    I know what they are doing now. It is quite childish compared to them fighting against and then losing over social security. However once ALL Americans get used to the good side, they will line up in favor like they do for social security now. Not all of course but the majority.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I had heard that DC regardless of the Government shutdown - as a city could easily remain open despite what the Government is threatening to do.

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    Yeah the DC mayor said as much. If it last though then I would like to see how he intends to pay those people he leaves on the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I know what they are doing now. It is quite childish compared to them fighting against and then losing over social security. However once ALL Americans get used to the good side, they will line up in favor like they do for social security now. Not all of course but the majority.
    It will take a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It will take a long time.
    Yup, but it is the only path forward. Obviously republicans for the most part have no plan to fix the health care mess in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    After seventy years of attempted methods to give healthcare coverage to Americans one would have to think the only way a bill could pass is in a odd illogical piecemeal fashion.
    Appreciating that the ACA was passed without a single Republican vote, I suspect the Democrats could have passed whatever they wanted. I believe a great opportunity to implement comprehensive coverage for everyone in the country was lost in an attempt to appease Republicans.


    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I personally feel the major positive (maybe one of the only positives) of the ACA is after Americans get it then both parties will drink the kool aid and have to make it workable.
    The Republicans are still trying to repeal the Social Security Act of 1935.

    I expect they will never cooperate with efforts to make the ACA better. And they will have their 4,394th vote to repeal Obamacare sometime around 2113.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Personally, I think the Senate should respond with a funding bill that includes a national gun registry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Personally, I think the Senate should respond with a funding bill that includes a national gun registry.
    Republicans are choosing the worst time to mess with entitlement reform, they have no leverage besides their smear campaign against democrats.

    Obamacare has been the law for years, and the president will not negotiate with these hostage takers.

    Why are they waiting for the worst possible time to shut down the government?

    It seems the GOP just want to make it as bad as possible for themselves.

    Also the democrats have to take a stand on taxes, let us reopen the tax debate and watch the GOP try to explain why they want to preserve tax brakes for the rich.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Managed to catch clips of Jeannie Pirro of Faux news lecturing Obama about how he is at fault for the looming shutdown.
    No mention how Republicans starting points are defund your program or we'll shut down the government.
    No mention of how Republicans want Obama to give them everything they want with nothing in return other then a "promise" they won't default on the debt.
    And the sad thing is so many people believe her and the rest of the Teabaggers.
    Bottom line,if the government is shut down and we default on the debt,it will be Republicans fault and theirs alone.
    Such a shame so many won't see that.

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    I feel so sorry for the US these days as the resources and creativity of the nation are squandered on trying to fix basic services and fighting for/against human rights....all smoke and mirrors devised by the plutocrats plundering the economy. The nation is better than this.

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    Appreciating that the ACA was passed without a single Republican vote, I suspect the Democrats could have passed whatever they wanted. I believe a great opportunity to implement comprehensive coverage for everyone in the country was lost in an attempt to appease Republicans.
    It was more than an attempt. They were actively working with republicans and then republicans wouldn't back up their own work. However, when you have the congress that can pass the bill, when it has taken a year to get the bill on the table, you still have equality, banking reform, economic recovery and two wars to end then you don't start over again in the last hour of a bill.

    Yes SOME republicans are trying to repeal the SSA but not all and on the campaign trail you will not catch a single one of them saying grandma should be defunded. The reality is in their actions and and mixed congress has improved SSA twice in its life as law.
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    Personally, I think the Senate should respond with a funding bill that includes a national gun registry.
    That would be foolish and childish.

    Far better would be to respond with a funding bill with the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act attached: it would tear the Republican base into shreds, and a lot of Republicans would have to either vote for it or fail re-election.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I'm guessing it's going to be a shutdown come Tuesday.

    Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin for the republican held congress next year.

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    Well apparently the House passed a piece of legislation Friday 422 to 0 to pay the military regardless of whether or not the government shuts down. 65 more interesting answers below...

    66 questions and answers about the government shutdown
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well apparently the House passed a piece of legislation Friday 422 to 0 to pay the military regardless of whether or not the government shuts down. 65 more interesting answers below...

    66 questions and answers about the government shutdown
    Thanks for posting this...very informative.

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    There are many aspects of Obamacare that I find troubling.

    One of these is the way it is to be paid for. The taxes implemented to fund Obamacare are piecemeal, disorganized, and not logical. More worrisome, 5% of Obamacare is to be paid by increasing fines to physicians for "violations" of various medical regulatory laws. Mind you, this is not punishing physicians for having committed some significant infraction. It is milking them of money over technicalities. Failing to have the drug cabinet locked or having a chart sitting out on a countertop when an inspector drops by unexpectedly will cost them tens of thousands of dollars - literally.

    President Obama says Obamacare will cost $940 billion over the first ten years. That's ~$100 billion/year. 5% of that is ~$5 billion/year that physicians will pay in what will essentially be trumped-up charges, just to milk them of cash to pay for the program. It would be far more honest just to tax all physicians for the privilege of practicing medicine. But that is not politically possible, of course.

    This is akin to municipalities which raise cash by setting up devious speed traps for motorists. Only, in this case, the fines are tens of thousands of dollars each. It's just not a very professional way to go about raising money. You get the feeling this act was stuck together with chicken wire and chewing gum.
    It is a piecemeal deal which is naturally going to be flawed. What we need is a universal health care system which is paid for by a national VAT, similar to the UK. Any undergraduate who graduates with the appropriate prerequisites and a minimum GPA should have their medical school tuition paid for like they do in France with a signed commitment to practice in their particular field of study serving the general population for a minimum period of time. If a student falls below a certain threshold in school or doesn't fulfill their obligations to serve their agreed upon time period, they are required to reimburse the government for the balance of the tuition. Private insurance should only be available and needed for elective procedures which aren't medically necessary. The government should directly fund more research into pharmaceuticals and, as a condition for the subsidies given for the research, should require across the board price ceilings for prescription drugs. Patents for drugs should be shortened and/or eliminated to allow for lower priced generics. There are a number of things that could be done to make sure everyone has health care, that we maintain the "supply" of qualified doctors and nurses, to lower healthcare costs, and to maintain a high standard of health research and practice. But Republicans won't go for that because it doesn't funnel money into the privatized healthcare system and their donors' pockets.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well apparently the House passed a piece of legislation Friday 422 to 0 to pay the military regardless of whether or not the government shuts down. 65 more interesting answers below...

    66 questions and answers about the government shutdown
    It's good that they did that, except the wording in the opening of the bill's language:

    (a) In General- There are hereby appropriated for fiscal year 2014, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for any period during which interim or full-year appropriations for fiscal year 2014 are not in effect--
    (Source)

    Which means in two or three weeks when we hit the debt ceiling and we're going through this back and forth again, there won't be any money in the treasury to draw from to pay the military (or anyone else) since the incomes of the Treasury are eaten up by payments to the mandatory entitlement programs and to bond holders, two things that must be paid before anything else. The military would get paid regardless, but they would only get IOUs until money became available. This is nothing more than political theater unfortunately.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Well apparently the House passed a piece of legislation Friday 422 to 0 to pay the military regardless of whether or not the government shuts down. 65 more interesting answers below...

    66 questions and answers about the government shutdown
    Well, well -- Congress still gets paid.

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    Which means in two or three weeks when we hit the debt ceiling and we're going through this back and forth again, there won't be any money in the treasury to draw from to pay the military (or anyone else) since the incomes of the Treasury are eaten up by payments to the mandatory entitlement programs and to bond holders, two things that must be paid before anything else. The military would get paid regardless, but they would only get IOUs until money became available. This is nothing more than political theater unfortunately.
    yup after the debt ceiling. However in this first hurdle it is merely the spending authority. The DoD already has money in its accounts and will for several months after any deadline. Our biggest hurdle is processing payments. I really just posted that because i few users knowing who pays me have asked about the military and because it was 422-0 which indicates there is political will to keep the military paid.

    What is truly scary to me? The idea that in 96 we shutdown for fourteen days but 13 of 16 appropriation bills had already been passed when we took the two week hiatus. This time around O for 16 so far. At some point our legislative rules are going to impede passing the appropriate bills in time to avert spending even more money to shutdown and start back up.
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    Well, well -- Congress still gets paid.
    Yeah it's funny how an incredibly low percentage of them actually need to collect that paycheck yet they think that it's the other 2 million government workers that actually rely on their paychecks that should be the ones to suffer. I also don't see where their staff is getting furloughed either. I'd love to see that and see how many could actually read, much less write, any legislation.

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    Latest news from the "negotiations."

    Republicans in the House have proposed to continue funding the government through December 15, but only if Obamacare is delayed by a year, and the 2.5% tax on medical devices is repealed.

    The repeal of the medical device tax comes from a letter to Republican leaders Boehner, Cantor, McArthy, and Camp from a group of house Republicans. Only the letter wasn't written by any Republican representative or group of representatives. Metadata within the letter shows it to have been written by Ryan Strandlund, a lobbyist for the medical devices industry.

    We teeter on the brink of a government shutdown. But the Republicans still demand concessions to lobbyists as a condition for resolving the crisis.


    http://www.thenation.com/blog/176399...d-lobby-group#
    I forgot to mention this, but you forgot the additional poison pill added to the repeal of the tax which allowed employers AND insurance companies to opt out of providing contraceptive coverage. They could have probably received enough Democratic votes to support the tax repeal had they not put that in there. Even when they have something that could possibly be looked upon as a possible common ground, they go and fuck it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Well, well -- Congress still gets paid.
    Schumer told MJ that he and his fellow Senators getting paid was not important.

    My question ... why wasn't Schumer in the Senate this morning coming up with a solution? The House republicans sent a revised bill back to the Senate on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The House republicans sent a revised bill back to the Senate on Saturday.
    Capitulate, or else.................

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    Capitulate, or else.................
    No, the bill didn't defund Obamacare. The bill required a one-year delay, something that Obama has been doing for his special interests since the law was passed by the democrats in 2010.

    Is Obama going to close the government over something he's been doing for the last several years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    I forgot to mention this, but you forgot the additional poison pill added to the repeal of the tax which allowed employers AND insurance companies to opt out of providing contraceptive coverage. They could have probably received enough Democratic votes to support the tax repeal had they not put that in there. Even when they have something that could possibly be looked upon as a possible common ground, they go and fuck it up.
    Yeah. "Hey, let's put an open invitation for every employer and insurance company out there to suddenly become devout Christians". Dumb dumb dumb.
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    Jack, what is your opinion on Boehner's leadership?

    Serious question.
    It isn't Boehner's leadership anymore...more like Jim DeMint's leadership.

    Boehner has the same puppet leadership qualities as GW and Palin

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