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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Some Republicans believe their party will pay a significant price for this action. Obviously, the Republican leadership believes it will not only get away with this, but will benefit.
    The Tea Partites don't think about benefit or harm; to such true believers, it's about doing "the right thing", regardless. They're the sort who in a church with a gas leak would still light a candle because that's what they're "supposed to do" next, and never even think about the possibility that it might blow the whole place up.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    the sign on the healthcare.gov web site ....


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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Jack has apparently never tried to order a popular product or visit its website on release day.

    Almost no website out there maintains enough bandwidth to handle multiple millions of hits at the same time.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I could post something, but Jon Stewart - as usual - has said everything I want to say, better than I could:

    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

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    The bit about someone driving to work and some asshole driving right at him in the same lane is very appropriate: this isn't a face-down, and it isn't a game of chicken; it's the President expecting to do his job and the Congress to do theirs, and the Tea Partites driving the wrong way on the wrong side of the road.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    BTW, where is this stuff about Congress not being under the ACA coming from? Didn't someone post a link here last week showing that they all lose what they currently have and have to do the same as the rest of us?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Jack has apparently never tried to order a popular product or visit its website on release day.

    Almost no website out there maintains enough bandwidth to handle multiple millions of hits at the same time.

    Isn't it great?

    Healthcare.gov has gotten a million hits since it went online today.


    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...,5629528.story

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Isn't it great?

    Healthcare.gov has gotten a million hits since it went online today.


    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...,5629528.story
    Obamacare looks like it's very popular.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Isn't it great?

    Healthcare.gov has gotten a million hits since it went online today.


    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...,5629528.story
    If you know anything about the web, you would know that a 'hit' only mean the site was brought up on a computer -- nothing else, naddah. Heck, I've probably tried 20 or more times today and never got past the 3 or 4th page -- so 20 of those 1,000,000 are mine and I got no where.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you know anything about the web, you would know that a 'hit' only mean the site was brought up on a computer -- nothing else, naddah. Heck, I've probably tried 20 or more times today and never got past the 3 or 4th page -- so 20 of those 1,000,000 are mine and I got no where.
    Did you order a conservative PC that is only capable of going to conservapedia and similar?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    BTW, where is this stuff about Congress not being under the ACA coming from? Didn't someone post a link here last week showing that they all lose what they currently have and have to do the same as the rest of us?
    It's complicated.

    House and Senate staff get subsidies from the government (amounting to $5K to $12K per employee per year) to help them afford health care. These staffers are officially federal employees. It is, apparently, unusual for federal employees to get such subsidies, so these employees fall into a special category. The ACA requires federal employees to join the healthcare exchanges, but it does not specifically address the issue of subsidies for federal employees.

    Initially, the Office of Personel Management (OPM) ruled that these House and Senate staffers needed to be treated like all other federal employees, which meant they would lose their subsidies. This caused outrage among the Senators and Congressmen, who lobbied heavily to have OPM's decision reversed, on behalf of their staffs. They argued that Obamacare did not require private companies to discontinue insurance subsidies, and that their staff deserved the same treatment as employees in the private sector. Obama got personally involved and managed to convince the OPM to let the subsidies continue.

    Everyone was happy for a brief while.

    Then, Boehner decided to take the official position that House and Senate staffers should NOT get the subsidies, since it meant they were being given special treatment. He has proposed removal of the subsidies as one of his demands before he will allow the government to open again. However, he took this position publicly even as he was negotiating privately for his staff to keep the subsidies. He was advocating publicly for a policy he was privately working to defeat. It suggests that Boehner expects to lose his standoff over Obamacare and the government shutdown.


    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...ies-97634.html
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you know anything about the web, you would know that a 'hit' only mean the site was brought up on a computer -- nothing else, naddah. Heck, I've probably tried 20 or more times today and never got past the 3 or 4th page -- so 20 of those 1,000,000 are mine and I got no where.
    I'm aware of that.

    But, there would not be that many people flooding the system, if there was no interest, would there?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
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    I have some good news and bad news:

    Good News - today is the 123rd anniversary of Yellowstone National Park.
    Bad News - it is closed due to government shutdown.

    Yeah but hikers and certain ATV's can still get through the entrances?
    Your post comments are forwarded to the CIA.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    the sign on the healthcare.gov web site ....

    No Springer, you're confused.

    This is the sign house republicans hung on the door of the USA when they took it hostage.

    Will they ever realize they lost the election in 2012 and not try and push Mitt Romney's agenda? The American public rejected it.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Is the government open?

    http://isthegovernmentopen.com

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Is the government open?

    http://isthegovernmentopen.com
    Jack.

    What's your opinion of Boehner's leadership?

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    Poor Jack, his panties are all bunched and twisted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Jack.

    What's your opinion of Boehner's leadership?
    Trying to get an opinion from Jack on any Republican is like trying to get Republicans to vote on a clean spending bill. You'll just get lots of unrelated shit thrown your way.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Is the government open?

    http://isthegovernmentopen.com
    Springer, what's your opinion of Boehner's leadership?


    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Trying to get an opinion from Jack on any Republican is like trying to get Republicans to vote on a clean spending bill. You'll just get lots of unrelated shit thrown your way.
    Truth!

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I think someone is exaggerating a little.

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    I think someone is exaggerating a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Jack.

    What's your opinion of Boehner's leadership?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    ^^

    I've said here before that I think the leadership of both parties is lacking. I'm not a fan of any of them.

    Boehner at least is somewhat grounded to reality where Pelosi has many loose screws.

    How's that?

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    ^^

    I've said here before that I think the leadership of both parties is lacking. I'm not a fan of any of them.

    Boehner at least is somewhat grounded to reality where Pelosi has many loose screws.

    How's that?
    But Pelosi actually got things done. Boehner has no control of his Congress.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Let me phrase this another way Jack.

    Do you think the split within the Republican side of the aisle between Republican and Tea Party is good or bad?

    And do you acknowledge the role that push-farther-to-the-right influences, both from the GOP and from outlets like Fox News, have played in creating this situation?

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    ^^

    I think it's time for new leadership -- fresh leadership .. meaning not Cantor, King or any of the other people-in-waiting. Times have changed and conservative want conservatives as leaders. Every time the republican party picks a rino to run ... Dole, McCain, Romney we've lost. It's time to run a real conservative.

    I don't think you get FOX news. I think you buy the line from Media Matters and MSNBC hosts. Spend some time watching the channel, they report news ... some has a right wing slant -- but most is straight news. Do yourself a favor and listen for a week.

    I'll make a prediction. If the President's partial shutdown (it's his choice) goes on for several days people will realize that Obama and the Senate democrats will not negotiate or even talk the pressure will increase and Obama will be the first to blink.

    President Clinton worked his ass off (in-between playing around with Monica) to negotiate an end to the shutdown -- Obama played golf on Sunday and refuses to talk. People and maybe some of the press will notice.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I think it's time for new leadership -- fresh leadership .. meaning not Cantor, King or any of the other people-in-waiting. Times have changed and conservative want conservatives as leaders. Every time the republican party picks a rino to run ... Dole, McCain, Romney we've lost. It's time to run a real conservative.
    But Jack, Republican voters vote in the primaries. It's the Republican voting base that expects Republican candidates to get up and one-up each other on how much they're like Ronald Reagan and espouse exactly the same version of "conservativism" that doesn't really resemble true conservativism at all.

    If this massive grassroots dissatisfaction with the modern GOP incarnation of "conservative" existed within the Republican voting base, why do these people you listed get the nomination?

    I don't think you get FOX news. I think you buy the line from Media Matters and MSNBC hosts. Spend some time watching the channel, they report news ... some has a right wing slant -- but most is straight news. Do yourself a favor and listen for a week.
    Jack I'm in my early 30's. Fox has been around for years and years since before MSNBC. I didn't hatch from an egg after the launch of MSNBC's political segments and form my opinion of Fox entirely from that. I have watched Fox-- I do not just read summaries about what's going on there from left-wing sources. Fox does some "news-news reporting", sure. But I think you are underestimating the degree to which what they choose to focus on, what they choose to omit, what they choose to make week-long spectacles, and what commentators they invite massively shift the message that goes out from "just plain, impartial news."

    I'll make a prediction. If the President's partial shutdown (it's his choice) goes on for several days people will realize that Obama and the Senate democrats will not negotiate or even talk the pressure will increase and Obama will be the first to blink.

    President Clinton worked his ass off (in-between playing around with Monica) to negotiate an end to the shutdown -- Obama played golf on Sunday and refuses to talk. People and maybe some of the press will notice.
    Jack can you give us a good reason why a law which was passed by Congress, and upheld by the Supreme Court, is something that Obama or any Democrat should be under any obligation whatsoever to "consider defunding, postponing or repealing"? Do you not believe in our Constitution or our Democratic process, or the method by which the Constitution outlines how laws are passed?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I think it's time for new leadership -- fresh leadership .. meaning not Cantor, King or any of the other people-in-waiting. Times have changed and conservative want conservatives as leaders. Every time the republican party picks a rino to run ... Dole, McCain, Romney we've lost. It's time to run a real conservative.

    I don't think you get FOX news. I think you buy the line from Media Matters and MSNBC hosts. Spend some time watching the channel, they report news ... some has a right wing slant -- but most is straight news. Do yourself a favor and listen for a week.

    I'll make a prediction. If the President's partial shutdown (it's his choice) goes on for several days people will realize that Obama and the Senate democrats will not negotiate or even talk the pressure will increase and Obama will be the first to blink.

    President Clinton worked his ass off (in-between playing around with Monica) to negotiate an end to the shutdown -- Obama played golf on Sunday and refuses to talk. People and maybe some of the press will notice.
    I will see your prediction and raise you a pound of reality. In the end republicans will cave and nothing will change except they will have purposefully harmed Americans and cost the federal government money. Those stories will vastly outpace a President standing by his signature bill that has passed every constitutional muster presented. No sir this country does not negotiate with terrorists. If Obama caves then expect real terrorists to start taking over malls in this country because they will expect negotiation.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    The actual RINOs in the GOP are the Tea Partiers and the social Christianist neanderthals. Romney, as loathsome as he was, was FAAAAR more true conservative than any of the screeching lunatics that currently throw feces at the walls in Congress.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Ahhhhhh look who's blinking.........

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4024755.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    Ahhhhhh look who's blinking.........

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4024755.html
    The republicans will cave. But then they'll try to save face.

    Hooray for President Obama for not giving in to these republican kidnappers. That's leadership!

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Yes, a new definition of leadership --- lead by demeaning your opponents and refusing to talk or negotiate. Worse yet is a President who refuses to allow rapidly aging WWII vets an opportunity to visit their memorial in DC. Putting up barrades to keep these old men away is disgusting.

    A US President just doesn't sit by and do nothing. I sincerely hope you understand why I and others think Obama is a poor leader and does not understand what leadership entails.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Yes, a new definition of leadership --- lead by demeaning your opponents and refusing to talk or negotiate. Worse yet is a President who refuses to allow rapidly aging WWII vets an opportunity to visit their memorial in DC. Putting up barrades to keep these old men away is disgusting.

    A US President just doesn't sit by and do nothing. I sincerely hope you understand why I and others think Obama is a poor leader and does not understand what leadership entails.
    What a cynical pile of bullshit. Is this today's FOX narrative? That vets can't visit their memorial because of the black man in the White House?

    News alert Springer. The Tea Party and GOP are the sole architects of this disaster. There is no imperative to negotiate just because they are holding the country hostage. You should be more concerned for all the people who will be hurt by the withdrawal of service and the loss of their paycheques instead of weeping hysterically because some tourist attractions aren't available.

    Obama is doing something. He is letting the people of the Untied States see first hand how dangerous the Tea Party and the GOP led Congress can be when they try to overturn a law by any means possible at the expense of millions of Americans.

    Get real.

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    Jack, I am confused - do you seriously not see the absurdity of demanding negotiation on a law that's already been passed, signed and upheld by SCOTUS? Do you seriously not see this as unconstitutional?
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    ^^

    I know that you are aware that Obama has himself, really without any authority, has changed the law and given exemptions to groups where he saw fit -- so there is a precedent. Congress has the right and legal ability to make laws and change laws - that's how things work in the USA. The President, regardless of party, is not a dictator.

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    Is Obama the first one who blinked? or is this just part of the PR plan. I'm guessing this is just PR and would placate some who believe the President has an open mind.

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...econd-day?lite

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    BTW, where is this stuff about Congress not being under the ACA coming from? Didn't someone post a link here last week showing that they all lose what they currently have and have to do the same as the rest of us?
    Factcheck reported that a provision of the law, put in by Republicans, require that the congressmen and their staffs HAVE to use the exchanges to obtain their medical care plans. The only organization in the US with that requirement. What the conservatives are hanging the current claim that the congress is exempt on is that the government is going to pay a subsidy to the congressional staffs equivalent to the amount of money the government was paying into the Federal Workers system that they are currently in. This is simply the government paying to the congressional employees what it is already paying them under the old system. But the Republicans are spinning it as an exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I know that you are aware that Obama has himself, really without any authority, has changed the law and given exemptions to groups where he saw fit -- so there is a precedent. Congress has the right and legal ability to make laws and change laws - that's how things work in the USA. The President, regardless of party, is not a dictator.
    Jack this has nothing to do with Obama's willingness or unwillingness to budge. This law was passed by CONGRESS. Obama didn't sign an executive order or use divine right to pass this law.

    The Tea Party in the House are subverting our democratic process, knowingly, with no legitimate grounds to do it on.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    ^^

    Ok, just one thing . . . Obama changed the ACA, he extended by one year the business requirement to participate in the ACA. Did you realize that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    Ok, just one thing . . . Obama changed the ACA, he extended by one year the business requirement to participate in the ACA. Did you realize that?
    Can you give me an actually legitimate reason the Tea Party "only wants to postpone enactment for one year", other than that they're hoping they can kill the law altogether?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    What the Tea Party and the GOP are afraid of is that they can't use this as a wedge issue in the 2014 election cycle.

    Bummer, eh?????

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Congress has the right and legal ability to make laws and change laws - that's how things work in the USA. The President, regardless of party, is not a dictator.
    Yeah. Congress has the ability to make laws.

    But first, Congress needs to pass them.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama has himself, really without any authority, has changed the law and given exemptions to groups where he saw fit -- so there is a precedent. Congress has the right and legal ability to make laws and change laws - that's how things work in the USA.
    Congress can make or change the laws, but the Executive Branch of government enforces the laws. Do you think the actions you reference are examples of changes to the law or are they part of the enforcement of that law?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The President, regardless of party, is not a dictator.
    That is my understanding as well. The President is the leader of the Executive Branch of government.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    ^^^

    They are changes within the law. Pure and simple.

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    What else will Obama put barricades around?

    He put them around the open air Lincoln Memorial for the first time ever during a lockdown.

    He put them around the open air WWII Memorial to keep 80 and 90 yo men from seeing their Memorial.

    He put them around the open air Korean and Vietname memorials.

    All this is a game for Obama. His treatment of the WWII veterans may come back to bite him in the ass.

    ... a truly spiteful man.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What else will Obama put barricades around?

    He put them around the open air Lincoln Memorial for the first time ever during a lockdown.

    He put them around the open air WWII Memorial to keep 80 and 90 yo men from seeing their Memorial.

    He put them around the open air Korean and Vietname memorials.

    All this is a game for Obama. His treatment of the WWII veterans may come back to bite him in the ass.

    ... a truly spiteful man.
    I was actually down there today.

    Obama was personally erecting barricades with glee.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    They are changes within the law. Pure and simple.

    Tom Graves represents Georgia’s 14th congressional district, which has a Cook Partisan Voting Index (Cook PVI) of R+24. Representative Graves characterizes himself as a “country boy conservative” and was a staunch opponent of the Affordable Care Act. The Atlanta Tea Party Patriots endorsed him and credits him as an early tea party supporter.

    PolitiFact looked at his claim that President Obama has changed the Affordable Care Act 19 times ...

    Tom Graves says Obama has changed the Affordable Care Act 19 times (PolitiFact; September 2013)

    The basic number is right but there are [a lot of details] missing from Graves' assertion.

    We rate the claim Half True.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Jack ...

    Did Obama shut down the Government? No. He's simply been directing Congress to do their job, under the Constitution, which they all swore to uphold and defend.

    To paraphrase, "No One shall bring the Full FAITH and CREDIT of the United States into question."

    Has Congress done their job? No.

    End of discussion ...
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    How did the shutdown suddenly become Obama's idea...?

    Is Fox News saying this? Where is this idea even coming from?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What else will Obama put barricades around? He put them around the open air Lincoln Memorial for the first time ever during a lockdown. He put them around the open air WWII Memorial to keep 80 and 90 yo men from seeing their Memorial. He put them around the open air Korean and Vietname memorials. All this is a game for Obama. His treatment of the WWII veterans may come back to bite him in the ass. ... a truly spiteful man.
    Springer, please stop with all this trolling. It's become excessive over the past couple of days. Your blind hatred of the President of the United States is disturbing and tiring.

    Do the forum a favor and start a "I hate Obama" thread and keep all your slams against the President there.

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