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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    No, the bill didn't defund Obamacare. The bill required a one-year delay, something that Obama has been doing for his special interests since the law was passed by the democrats in 2010.

    Is Obama going to close the government over something he's been doing for the last several years?
    Your party is trying to find a workaround to force non-recognition of a law that was democratically passed and constitutionally upheld by the courts.

    How American is that, in your mind?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    In writing about the rise of totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt observed how small groups of committed totalitarians in elected parliaments could use the levers of democratic governance to obstruct the actual governance of their countries, thereby causing the people to lose faith in democratic institutions and pave the way for totalitarians to come to power. That is what is happening in this country right now. Tea Party Republicans have no true commitment to democracy. If they cannot get their way, they would prefer to destroy the people's confidence in the government to operate functionally. It is their deeply cynical, and dangerous, plan to regain power, abetted by state Tea Party elected officials to suppress the vote.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    No, the bill didn't defund Obamacare. The bill required a one-year delay, something that Obama has been doing for his special interests since the law was passed by the democrats in 2010.

    Is Obama going to close the government over something he's been doing for the last several years?
    Obama close the government? What twisted version of the Constitution are you relying on?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    In writing about the rise of totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt observed how small groups of committed totalitarians in elected parliaments could use the levers of democratic governance to obstruct the actual governance of their countries, thereby causing the people to lose faith in democratic institutions and pave the way for totalitarians to come to power. That is what is happening in this country right now. Tea Party Republicans have no true commitment to democracy. If they cannot get their way, they would prefer to destroy the people's confidence in the government to operate functionally. It is their deeply cynical, and dangerous, plan to regain power, abetted by state Tea Party elected officials to suppress the vote.
    There are Dominionists who have said that publicly: that if they can't get the government to work to make the country "Christian", they'll endeavor to keep it from working at all.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    It's hilarious, not to mention delusional that some people are claiming President Obama wants to shut down the government.

    This is Tea Party destruction, pure and simple.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    The republicans have given away all their leverage to govern ever again.

    America won against the hostage takers!
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    The republicans have given away all their leverage to govern ever again.

    America won against the hostage takers!
    Yeah well, just remember, that's what we said twenty years ago. The memory of American voters is woefully short.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    This republican government shutdown will waste billions of taxpayer dollars. So much for the party of fiscal responsibility.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...t-us-billions/

    Money that could have been spent building schools, hospitals and clinics and fixing infrastructure.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    FYI: Democrats shut the government down 7 times during the Reagan Administration.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    FYI: Democrats shut the government down 7 times during the Reagan Administration.
    Source?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Yeah it's funny how an incredibly low percentage of them actually need to collect that paycheck yet they think that it's the other 2 million government workers that actually rely on their paychecks that should be the ones to suffer. I also don't see where their staff is getting furloughed either. I'd love to see that and see how many could actually read, much less write, any legislation.
    I know it is semantics but the reason they get paid is because of the law of unintended consequences. The law preventing a current session of law makers from altering pay was intended to prevent law makers from voting themselves a raise. It also provided for an election before the new law takes effect so that we the people could vote the bums out if we felt the pay raise was errant. Republicans actually put together some legislation in the first congress to make it so congress doesnt get paid IF no budget is reached (when the republicans first started holding america hostage) The bill received no support, in part because it would deflate the pool of political appointees willing to serve. Since it would put those folks at the whim of congress as well.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    FYI: Democrats shut the government down 7 times during the Reagan Administration.
    We will go with that.... which also made Reagan say that shutting down the government was irresponsible and a cowards way to try and manipulate the government. So do you agree with Reagan? Are economic terrorists the content of your party?
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    We will go with that.... which also made Reagan say that shutting down the government was irresponsible and a cowards way to try and manipulate the government. So do you agree with Reagan? Are economic terrorists the content of your party?
    Doing the right thing is always the best. Wasn't really around during the Reagan years but I do know that there are different standards for republicans and democrats and that the media will always support the democrat side no matter what.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Doing the right thing is always the best. Wasn't really around during the Reagan years but I do know that there are different standards for republicans and democrats and that the media will always support the democrat side no matter what.
    Even if that were true (it's not) you can thank your own party (Reagan in fact) for deregulation and privatization of the media.

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    From an outside perspective, it kind of looks like a board of directors threatening to close an entire corporation unless the CEO fires the caretaker. .
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Even if that were true (it's not) you can thank your own party (Reagan in fact) for deregulation and privatization of the media.
    Thanks for proving my point. In your mind it was OK to close down the government during the Reagan years ... because, because .. he's a republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    From an outside perspective, it kind of looks like a board of directors threatening to close an entire corporation unless the CEO fires the caretaker. .
    No one is getting fired. It's a big show. The people who won't have to show up for work will still get paid, park workers will pose for photo shots as they place railings up shutting down parks and national monuments, Obama will go on TV with a stern face and call republicans nasty names, etc.

    The last time this happened Monica Lewinsky stepping into Bill's private office, gave Bill a BJ, and was dildoed with one of Clinton's cigars. Wonder if Obama will find 'lust' with an intern this time?

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Thanks for proving my point. In your mind it was OK to close down the government during the Reagan years ... because, because .. he's a republican.
    I'm not sure how pointing out that facts never support anything you claim "proves your point." On anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    FYI: Democrats shut the government down 7 times during the Reagan Administration.
    What's your source for your comment.

    Even it that's true (which it's not), does that mean it's okay for republicans to do it now?

    My source:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown

    23 Nov 1981, Reagan shut down the government
    21 Dec 1982, Reagan shut down the government against the wishes of both Dems and reps.
    18 Oct 1986, shutdown was done by Reagan and the republican controlled Senate.

    There's more on the page if you care to read it.

    ....and since you brought Reagan up, do you want to start a thread about Iran Contra?


    Whenever the republican party controls part of the government, their solution is mayhem..... if they don't get their way they shut down the government.

    GREAT political party.....

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Doing the right thing is always the best. Wasn't really around during the Reagan years but I do know that there are different standards for republicans and democrats and that the media will always support the democrat side no matter what.
    The right thing is a law that has passed every constitutional requirement and been approved by the people.

    What is amusing is instead of answering the question, you deflect to another subject. Truly a sign of having nothing serious to actually argue.

    Keep deflecting buddy as you party goes down in flames.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I'm still waiting to hear Jack's opinion on Boehner's leadership. He talks about how important leadership (or the lack thereof) is whenever the topic is the President, he even made it part of his forum signature. Yet there's such a pregnant pause when the topic is Republican leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The right thing is a law that has passed every constitutional requirement and been approved by the people.

    What is amusing is instead of answering the question, you deflect to another subject. Truly a sign of having nothing serious to actually argue.

    Keep deflecting buddy as you party goes down in flames.
    Yeah. What's his Monica Lewinski post all about? And going into detail about the sex acts. Like that has anything to do with the republican government shutdown. Should I bring up Teapot Dome? (another republican scandal)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm still waiting to hear Jack's opinion on Boehner's leadership. He talks about how important leadership (or the lack thereof) is whenever the topic is the President, he even made it part of his forum signature. Yet there's such a pregnant pause when the topic is Republican leadership.
    Excellent topic. My first post mentioned Boehner and his lack of leadership. Springer is constantly criticizing the President of the United States, claiming he isn't a leader but he never mentions Boehner's job performance.

    It's a large serving of desperation, with a side of embarrassment topped with frustration.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Thanks for proving my point. In your mind it was OK to close down the government during the Reagan years ... because, because .. he's a republican.
    Where did he say that?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    No one is getting fired. It's a big show. The people who won't have to show up for work will still get paid, park workers will pose for photo shots as they place railings up shutting down parks and national monuments, Obama will go on TV with a stern face and call republicans nasty names, etc.
    Way to totally miss the point of comparison....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Yeah. What's his Monica Lewinski post all about? And going into detail about the sex acts. Like that has anything to do with the republican government shutdown. Should I bring up Teapot Dome? (another republican scandal)
    Have you ever had even the remote idea Jack is a young guy? Wasn't really around for Reagan... lol..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Wasn't really around during the Reagan years
    ... no I never got that feeling either. Pretending to not be from that time frame does not disqualify you from doing some research [ Perhaps learning something (GASP O_O) ] and then offering up an opinion of whether or not playing with the full faith and credit of the United states is worthwhile.
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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Doing the right thing is always the best. Wasn't really around during the Reagan years but I do know that there are different standards for republicans and democrats and that the media will always support the democrat side no matter what.
    Holy Christ...is this is true this answers a LOT of questions.

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    Any word on whether you guys have a functioning government still?

    I note a fair few senior republicans speaking out against the tea party amendments.
    And yeah, the world is paying attention. Looks bizarre.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    23 minutes to go!

    America held hostage by tea party republicans

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    Any word on whether you guys have a functioning government still?
    It closes in 5 minutes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    I note a fair few senior republicans speaking out against the tea party amendments.
    Some Republicans believe their party will pay a significant price for this action. Obviously, the Republican leadership believes it will not only get away with this, but will benefit.

    We shall see.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    And yeah, the world is paying attention. Looks bizarre.
    I have relatives in Italy who insisted in the 1990s that the Republican Party would disappear forever. They live in a parliamentary system in which political parties which do not participate in government get voted out of existence - immediately!

    The USA does not work like that. Our political parties are immutable. It does not matter what the Republican Party does. It can start illegal wars based on lies, maintain extrajudicial prisons in which people are held forever without charge or trial, torture people, spy on Americans without warrant, and cause a great depression. It can advocate against feeding the hungry and caring for the sick. It will still get ~45% of the vote.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    It is now midnight eastern and the US Government is shut down. But Obama and Congress are still in a job and will use a boxing ring in Washington DC to work out the differences. Obama's has these new gloves he needs to break in.
    Positively no admittance to the event of course.
    Last edited by cgymike; September 30th, 2013 at 09:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post

    I have relatives in Italy who insisted in the 1990s that the Republican Party would disappear forever. They live in a parliamentary system in which political parties which do not participate in government get voted out of existence - immediately!
    Ummm, most western democracies are essentially two-party systems. So that's not so unusual to the rest of the world.

    In this instance the tea party appears to be misusing a lever intended as a check and balance to block unrelated legislation that arguably shouldn't be on the table.
    A minority is seeking to override the interests of the majority.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Too bad Congress still gets paid during all of this.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Spare me and also Remember Iraq, and how the idiot Bush on learning we were under attack on 9/11 continued to read the got thing to kids instead of saying I have to go now and will come back another time we have some important business. Republicans are very shrewd. Notice they do not stop Social Security, the older people retired and cloe to it always vote, they do not close down airports, they just hurt the average working person. They are scum! The last great republican president was Eisenhower.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Ted Cruz and his mentor Jim DeMint are fucking liars...and the worst kind of bullies. They keep repeating the same lie...twisting the figures to suggest that the majority of the American Public wants to defund Romneycare. What they fail to note is that a great number of the people opposed to Romneycare are opposed to it because there is no public option...it doesn't go far enough. A lot of liberals oppose it because it is basically the Republican plan that eventually was passed...and it stinks. I don't think any of the people in this group want to defund the program...expand it is more like it.

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    What group ease of eden? Some in this forum want to defund the program, me for one. Lets do it before the Chinese do.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Before you get the vapors over this remember, the government has "shutdown" 17 times since 1976.http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...nment-shutdown
    Remember, GHWBush shutdown the government twice because the Dems would not fund the government unless he signed a tax increase. He finally caved ant the Dems have been lying ever since that he "raised" taxes.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Remember, GHWBush shutdown the government twice because the Dems would not fund the government unless he signed a tax increase. He finally caved ant the Dems have been lying ever since that he "raised" taxes.
    I don't remember that. Maybe because it never happened.

    According to Wikipedia, George H. W. Bush vetoed the spending bill passed by Congress, prompting the shutdown. Congress then gave him what exactly he wanted 4 days later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    I will credit this shutdown to Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to intelligence what you can more easily attribute to stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdaboy View Post
    Spare me and also Remember Iraq, and how the idiot Bush on learning we were under attack on 9/11 continued to read the got thing to kids instead of saying I have to go now and will come back another time we have some important business. Republicans are very shrewd. Notice they do not stop Social Security, the older people retired and cloe to it always vote, they do not close down airports, they just hurt the average working person. They are scum! The last great republican president was Eisenhower.
    Don't worry the idiot Barry played golf on Sunday instead of trying to avert a shutdown. His administration has been preparing for this for a long time -- he and others seem to think blaming a shutdown will help them win in 2014. He refuses to negotiate or even talk.

    Obama wants Congress and his Administration to be exempt from the ACA -- how fair is that?

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    The United States of America is without a Federal Government thanks to the right wing republican congressional thugs.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Don't worry the idiot Barry played golf on Sunday instead of trying to avert a shutdown. His administration has been preparing for this for a long time -- he and others seem to think blaming a shutdown will help them win in 2014. He refuses to negotiate or even talk.
    Let's get something straight here. Congress passed the ACA. Now, Republicans are refusing to pay for what Congress has passed.

    This is not a situation open to negotiation. You don't buy a house and then refuse to pay the mortgage until they give you another five acres of the land next door.

    It would be most inappropriate for the president to "negotiate" a contract that has already been signed. It would defeat the entire concept of democracy, which is majority rule. This is not about president Obama. This is about Republicans in the House refusing to do their jobs.
    Last edited by T-Rexx; October 1st, 2013 at 06:20 AM.

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    Re: Countdown to Government Shutdown

    .
    I have some good news and bad news:

    Good News - today is the 123rd anniversary of Yellowstone National Park.
    Bad News - it is closed due to government shutdown.


    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    .
    I have some good news and bad news:

    Good News - today is the 123rd anniversary of Yellowstone National Park.
    Bad News - it is closed due to government shutdown.

    Hooray! and Oh!


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    This is not a situation open to negotiation. You don't buy a house and then refuse to pay the mortgage until they give you another five acres of the land next door.

    Thank you!! That has been my stance from the gate, you don't get to call the shots if the law was passed. There is no room for negotiations. If people want to get mad, let them get pissed at Congress for not doing the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Let's get something straight here. Congress passed the ACA. Now, Republicans are refusing to pay for what Congress has passed.

    This is not a situation open to negotiation. You don't buy a house and then refuse to pay the mortgage until they give you another five acres of the land next door.

    It would be most inappropriate for the president to "negotiate" a contract that has already been signed. It would defeat the entire concept of democracy, which is majority rule. This is not about president Obama. This is about Republicans in the House refusing to do their jobs.
    The House republicans are only asking for a one year delay in the individual mandate and that all Americans be treated the same in the ACA -- no special deals.

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    ^ Actually, first, they demanded defunding Obamacare.

    Then, they demanded a full year delay of Obamacare and a repeal of the medical device tax.

    Then, they demanded a delay of Obamacare’s individual mandate and the cancelation of health-insurance subsidies for Capitol Hill lawmakers, aides and administration employees.

    Republicans don't seem to know what they want.

    It is interesting that the demands keep getting weaker and weaker, however. You can see where this is headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The House republicans are only asking for a one year delay in the individual mandate and that all Americans be treated the same in the ACA -- no special deals.
    Bull. The goal is to kill the ACA, only a ignoramus wouldn't see that clearly. 42 votes since the ACA was passed and made law. The thugs say they want a yr in exchange they will fund the government for 6 fucking weeks and then do some other slim ball trick. They think they are sneaky but all of America doesn't live on red neck Highway I-44 outside of Joplin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Ted Cruz and his mentor Jim DeMint are fucking liars...and the worst kind of bullies. They keep repeating the same lie...twisting the figures to suggest that the majority of the American Public wants to defund Romneycare. What they fail to note is that a great number of the people opposed to Romneycare are opposed to it because there is no public option...it doesn't go far enough. A lot of liberals oppose it because it is basically the Republican plan that eventually was passed...and it stinks. I don't think any of the people in this group want to defund the program...expand it is more like it.
    Exactly. Since the very earliest stages of the healthcare debate, Republicans routinely included people who said healthcare reform should go further into the total pool of people they claimed "opposed this healthcare reform."

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Don't worry the idiot Barry played golf on Sunday instead of trying to avert a shutdown. His administration has been preparing for this for a long time -- he and others seem to think blaming a shutdown will help them win in 2014. He refuses to negotiate or even talk.

    Obama wants Congress and his Administration to be exempt from the ACA -- how fair is that?
    The system Congress is on is the one Obama wanted to expand as a single payer healthcare system. Your party went around the country for two years talking about what an evil, horrible idea that would be, including your Senators and Congressmen who were using that exact healthcare coverage themselves. You don't get to make this objection with any credibility whatsoever. They managed to sell the idea that the package members of Congress get is actually so horrible that everyone should be pretty afraid of being included in it. And people believed it. That's how stupid your fellow Republicans are.

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Let's get something straight here. Congress passed the ACA. Now, Republicans are refusing to pay for what Congress has passed.

    This is not a situation open to negotiation. You don't buy a house and then refuse to pay the mortgage until they give you another five acres of the land next door.

    It would be most inappropriate for the president to "negotiate" a contract that has already been signed. It would defeat the entire concept of democracy, which is majority rule. This is not about president Obama. This is about Republicans in the House refusing to do their jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The House republicans are only asking for a one year delay in the individual mandate and that all Americans be treated the same in the ACA -- no special deals.
    They're circumventing and subverting the democratic process for a law which was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court as perfectly valid. They have no legitimate grounds for doing this whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The House republicans are only asking for a one year delay in the individual mandate and that all Americans be treated the same in the ACA -- no special deals.
    It's too late to delay, the law has gone into effect. Now, there would have to be a repeal of parts of the law. What would you recommend your idiot Republicans do now, Jack?

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